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I see what you're doing WRT C9++, Johnny the problem is that C9++ generates very town-sided setups in the first place, even before you give town that many roles your setup also doesnt properly scale the mafia team with town the stronger town gets based on the rand, so you can force mafia to eat...

easiest game of my life literally never doubted that it was Kirino

alright, here goes nothing I guess unvote vote: Kirino

I'll hammer in 17 minutes (on the half-hour) if no one else has anything to say

at the 11th hour, I am beginning to get a little paranoid I think I'm just going to swallow that it really, really kind of just sucks if its SMS, I guess it really could be him if it isn't you, promise me you'll fight hard come tomorrow, FG

if people want me to hammer, I will I don't see much reason to, but w/e

I guess I should say killing Kirino and killing FG is kind of close in my mind. I think everyone but Kirino and I is leaning towards Kirino, I'll just follow here. I think its close enough. I won't say I told you so if its FG.

There's probably something we can do with forcing kirino to track someone after we kill FG today, I'm not really sure its got much worth to it since I think the kill order is rather set in stone today. FG, if you don't care what other people think about you, good for you. I was recalling a...

to return to this: in short, I have literally 0 faith that anyone on ZD knows how to balance a game

its not about whether or not inactivity is a scumtell (though it is in most situations) its about having someone in a f4/f3 who is actually able to cast a vote losing because someone isn't even around to cast a vote is the worst possible thing

I'm still uncomfortable about leaving FG alive when she hasn't posted at all at least Kirino is around, its been 48 hours without FG, and I am always going to prefer killing someone who hasn't posted at all to someone who has in a situation like this lets not rush into this

of the remaining roles, assuming that Johnny doesn't have any mafia roles overlapping, then the last role can only be Mafia Tailor Godfather Jack of All Trades (the actions of Roleblock, Strongman and Ninja don't seem to matter anymore, I suspect that there isn't this since they killed Rubik...

maybe I should be valuing my green check on FG more than I am? I guess just because she could be the godfather ought not dictate me following my reads completely here If she doesn't show, I think our hand is forced anyways, but if she does, I could be talked into killing Kirino instead pretty...

c'mon FG, you made me look bad

if fg never shows, I will strongly prefer killing her over kirino, and I hope other people would too

in short, I think she gets off of work kind of soon, and you can expect to see her shortly after that I'm sure

she's just busy, tbh maybe she'd ghost the thread, I honestly might if I were in this position (ok I probably wouldn't but I could see why someone would) but she cares about being honorable and likable, and as a result cares about trying to win for her team, so I don't think she'd abandon a game

I don't believe a lot of what storm said when he was going down, for example, I highly, highly doubt killing rag wins the game for town I don't particularly believe mafia has been busing a lot this game solely because he said that they were, but I don't think that its not that unlikely for it to...

ok this is a good point that I was not thinking about I will grant that this is good, but I think FG is absolutely capable of realizing that Minish was one of the few people getting townreads at the time; I cannot claim to know what Storm is thinking on n1 at all though

I really, really encourage people not to think too much about the FG/Storm stuff (I'm glad it came up though) Storm despises Moe. Its sad, but its true. In my mind, he would absolutely hammer his partner if it meant that people would stop with Moe, and then probably want to nightkill him as well.

pick your favorite kill today and vote them, probably

I think I am going to kill one of Kirino or FG today almost certainly. I don't particularly expect to be alive tomorrow. If I am not, don't get paranoid. I think what we have here is good. Take time and think, but don't try to be a hero leaping at shadows and calling them monsters. I think that...

I highly doubt that this is the case

bruh

I'll say it once there is literally nothing I could've done to be townier after I claimed, so this admits you will always be paranoid of me its not a good feeling, that's all I want to say

I didn't even talk about Minish, which I'm now realizing lol its not ever, ever Minish for the n1 stuff I don't think we need this plan anyways where we no lynch and I keep checking I'll check randomly between kirino and rag tonight if it somehow matters (if we kill kirino I will check...

I disagree that mafia no-killing last night was dishonorable for them, but I am having a "pick your battles" moment about it I'd rather kill FG today as compared to Kirino because I'm no-braining it and believing Kirino's claim I think the last two mafia always, always lie within FG and Kirino...

if the last mafia is not the godfather, I could've just won the game last night

I don't have Kirino as my top choice, I have FG as my top choice in spite of my green check on her I think Kirino tracking rubik to Minish n1 looks pretty good for him, yes he could've pieced it together but I don't really think that's likely given he appears to be devoting 1% of his free time...

you guys never expedite night phases, right? we'd be spending somewhere around 72ish hours to either end up exactly where we started or in a really lame way, essentially force the last mafia to kill me or give up I fully admit that this is the optimal play but I don't care about winning this...

I'm not really ruling it out for anyone, it seems like the kind of thing that anyone could do, I think FG is marginally more likely than some other people to not realize that no-killing invites the world that rag has proposed about no-killing and me checking everyone (an important part of this...

what rag is proposing is the same thing that just occurred to me in the shower; I'm not really sure if that means that no-killing is optimal for no one, but it might? I never play with the mechanic where either town can no-lynch two days in a row, or mafia can no-kill two nights in a row, so its...

tell me why I should think you're obviously not mafia because I don't have that opinion that you're obviously not mafia atm

it can be u tho

because I said I was going to check funnygurl because there's a world where funny can just kill Kirino so that Kirino doesn't out her I mean, if she's godfather, I can't really do anything about this, but if she's not, it still wins the game and this is supposed to help solve the game as much...

at some point, I will reread a decent portion of this thread and try to decide what is worth talking about and what isn't

well, alright this was definitely a possibility we *are* killing someone today btw my check is funnygurl is green, I don't put really any weight behind this anymore, and SMS is on the table as well

oh nooooooooo, sorry guys, I was asleep when you all killed the mafia member! guess we'll get 'em tomorrow! (lol I don't mean it)

I can post now even though there's a hammer I'll never get used to this

tell me in postgame what you would've rather done instead I'd be interested to hear it

we wouldn't be, so he'd be killing himself

wow, worded it a little rude there

no is it u

my pick is fg sounds like its your guys's problem though

fg is it u u can tell me if its u

that's not what that role does

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what if we lynch rag today though also yeah busing sucks

it depends on kirino's result tonight we kill storm today (btw storm's claim is that he blocked rubik so as to not interfere with my cop result, but he goes on to say that he doesn't believe I am a cop, but a neighbor with rag so like lol, I'm not afraid this guy got tailored at all) kirino...

I don't want to damage your ego too much, but if you die, its not because you're too dangerous to be kept alive its because the POE is very, very small now and you know I have a red check on you and you know Kirino tracked you to Rubik last night so uh cya vote Storm