Search results for query: *

Will mafia chat be released? @Storm

Good game everyone! Very fun one to play in, and Spec chat/bee cult was fun too.

This is slightly OGI, but probably worth noting. I contacted Storm on Discord and he said he was delayed by some family stuff, so I think he just needs some time.

Rag, what sites do you play on? Just here, or anywhere else?

Well... this is... something.

@Storm was day supposed to start?

I hope day starts soon...

@Hapi These are all the olive branches you ignored, where I was trying to get on the same page as you and others, and create fruitful discussion. This was all AFTER you elim'd a corpse. I tried to listen to you and get on the same page, but you made it stupidly hard to work with you.

That is one instance. I asked you numerous questions, proposed alternative explanations for things, invited you to give input, and asked you to think critically about certain aspects of the game.

I literally spent the entire night phase trying to see your side of things and find common ground between our positions... wtf.

Yes, I figured that out now. Thanks.

Yes, we should have killed Alana...

Fair.

Okay, with that, it seems like DW is the best bet. DW -> Hapi is my PoE right now if I understood Caps.

Minish isn't clearing you...

I still think Minish is the most likely hit, but I agree with the group of 3, and am tempted to say Hapi is the least likely scum out of the three.

I asked you multiple times and clarified after you answered the wrong question! I'm also trying to have fun, but part of that fun is enjoying good gameplay. When I'm bending over backwards to try to facilitate good gameplay and getting ignored/stonewalled, it detracts from the fun.

I agree, and I don't think Hapi/Minish are clearing eachother. They just THINK eachother are town. THat is a huge difference.

I could be wrong, and maybe I missed something along the way, but I don't think Raven/Rag and neighbors. I think they just passed the buck, so Raven knows Rag is town because Rag was buckable, and Rag knows Raven is town because Rag currently has Raven's original role.

Did you take into account hat Minish only outed what she figured out about you after she was pressured to? She did not do it organically. How does that factor into her being helpful to town?

I in no way claim to be perfect or amazing. I actually know very well that I am wrong a lot, and so rely on the fact that I have a team. I am tilted right now because I have been bending over backwards to try to create fruitful team discussion all night, and I feel like you've been stonewalling...

After I called her out on not sharing her conclusion, I might add.

I don't think Hapi is cleared for Minish. From what I can gather, Minish is cleared for Hapi because Minish figured out that Hapi is an inventor, and because Minish wants a drink?

Easy to feel like you're always right when you ignore when you're wrong and don't listen to others.

Well then we will agree to disagree. Mech talk is cheap and easy IMO. Solving can be easy if you do so superficially, but often players show a depth of thought while that is extremely difficult to fake as scum.

I wasn't asking you "how should I think"? Wtf? Who does that? I was asking you for your perspective. I don't know how you can not see this... especially since I FOLLOWED UP AND ASKED MORE DIRECTLY

I ASKED YOU WHO YOU WOULD LOOK AT! TWICE! You are going to look at you? Are you scum claiming? Holy crap you are dense.

Well, if your playstyle is to not beneficially interact with other players when they are clearly trying to engage you in productive discussions, I don't think it would have mattered what I did.

Oh yes, sorry I forgot you know everything...

That isn't my paragraph, I was just trying to reach Hapi because her mind is closed to me, so I thought someone else's words would resonate. The point is that scum can do setup spec/mech talk pretty easily. What they can't do is apply that knowledge to make inferences about people's alignements...

Like HOLY CRAP! "Hey, lets have a discussion where we remove Minish and Alana from the picture, who do you see next?"

YEAHHH!! ALMOST LIKE I"VE BEEN TRYIGN TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THIS ALL DAMN NIGHT!

Sure, there are tons of conflicting beliefs in mafia, and that was just one source. Ask your former champs champ mentor if mech talk /setup spec is something scum can and does do to blend in, and should be percieved with caution.

And now we wait for daystart....

Okay, it should be after the deadline for submitting night actions... So... I wanted to do this sooner, but Alana didn't. I know without a doubt that Alana is town. She is also telling the truth about the grenade. She got it, gave it to MInish with a 10 second timer (I actually suggested the...

Again, bookmark this for after the game. It will be a good learning moment. Some mafia theory for you: "Similar to a lack of scum hunting some scum players will spend time and effort organizing information instead of analyzing information. This allows them to show effort with a focus on...

The difference is I have read the game. Hapi, if you're town, bookmark these few pages. Come back after the game after you see my alignment and see how I've approached this night phase. I am peak towning here. This is straight-up good gameplay coming from me, trying to push the thread along...

I'm not discrediting any info? What game are you playing? It isn't this one. I'm looking for ANY reason to trust Minish. ANY AT ALL. I'm not saying "don't mech solve" or saying "that is false", I'm just asking for WHY Minish's play fits with town!Minish better than scum!Minish, and so far...

This is probably the single best post you've made all game (at least that I can recall). Aside from DW's claim, is there anything about them that you think is suspicious?

:right: I am literally hitting my head against this thread trying to push the gamestate forward while everyone else either sits at the sideline or deliberately decides not to participate in any productive discussion... But yes, I am the suspicious one here.

Holy crap Hapi... Scum can do that sort of solving just as well, if not better than town. Mech solving is NAI, and again SCUM actually has an ADVANTAGE because they have information from multiple people. I am REALLY trying to play with a world where Minish might be town, but I need to see...

:right: There is no solving in that post? Unless you're talking about mech stuff.I'm talking about reads/social solving. Depth of thought on "who is scum" that is extremely hard for scum to fake. Not "oh, I figured out this mech puzzle!" that scum and town are both incentised equally to solve...

I'm not asking you to ACTUALLY go after someone else. I'm asking you IF you just found out that without a doubt Alana was town, where would your head be at for the next elim?

I don't see how this makes you town. Mafia/3p have just as much inclination to do this. Uhh... so you're town... for coming in with prior knowledge about Chaos mafia? Wow, I didn't realize that Storm randed alignments based on how much we knew coming in. Y'all might want to kill me then...

Does anyone disagree that Minish has done almost no solving all game? If there are contrary opinions, I'd like to know to see if we can resolve our views.

Also, I'd like to engage with Hapi to get some solving back into this game @Hapi can we do an exercise? You seem to think Minish is town and suspect Alana. I seem to think Alana is town and suspect Minish. Let's see where we're at if we look past this (anyone can participate, but only Hapi...

See... thing is Minish has spent a ton of time complaining about how they are being suspected, and they want town points for giving some basic setup spec (sorry, not sorry. Anyone can talk setup, town or mafia. Offering information that multiple other people are probably privy to [mafia are...

Just to clarify, I at no point have removed Minish from my PoE, and they are still my best guess for remaining scum. Hapi has been pushing Minish!town and I've been trying to see if there is anything to Hapi's case (I am not convinced), and as part of that I mentioned what my PoE would be if I...

anything else*

Eh... Even though I am not happy about the corpse kill, I'm still more interested in winning than anyone else, so I'm not going to policy someone for doing something anti-town if there are elims more likely to flip scum.