Sorry about being inactive. I was busy with writing my story and doing real life stuff. Looks like my scummy meta will come out :/
Btw I won't be here most of the day tomorrow.
Btw I won't be here most of the day tomorrow.
I believe Hommy. Why? Because it seems to me that it's likely that the Leet 4 is in the game. Even if there are scum fake name/role claims, the mafia won't use them until they have pressure on them because they wouldn't want the town to know that there are fake name/role claims. Hommy just outright claimed with no pressure voting on him; therefore, I believe him.
Taking a second look at things, I believe it was his last chance at the time. There were quite a few votes on him. Besides that, I would assume that pointing the town in the direction of another simply to save your own skin to be a noticable scum tactic. He chose to defend himself over placing the blame on another. Calling others to claim their roles looks bad, but it may have just been sarcasm.Claiming on day 1? What? HoM, Really? I mean, You weren't the only one under stress. You could have convinst others to vote for axle. But Role claiming should have been your last chance.
Unvote
vote: HoM
Nope, not an Elite Body Guard. And Certainly not a bullet proof one. You see, there's this nasty little bit about Kyby's version of the Body Guard. Thing is that I am always successful with my protections, but... I can end up dying myself. Its a pretty large percentage too. A 40% chance of death when I protect someone is quite large, very large infact.
Now I can appreciate the lulz as much as anyone, but Mafia is serious business. And I can't help but shake the feeling that HoM knows he is up against the wall and is trying humour as a diversion tactic. His claim means very little - Hero of Time was at risk of being lynched in the last game - he then claimed and we dropped the bandwagon against him. A few days later we lynched him and he was Mafia.
Fact is that even if Hero of Music is a strong player we can't keep him alive purely on the basis that if he flips town he would be useful to us. His behaviour has been very scummy, and most of his responses have been back-peddling.
Right now, I'm going to
UNVOTE: Hero of Music
I think at this point it would have been stupid for him to claim, yes. (*shakes finger at HoM* Stupid, stupid.)
However, claiming such a plausible role as himself (even if it was a hidden claim) but then, almost immediately, having information leads me to back it up with the "for some reason he was acting stupid, but is still, generally, town".
Which, my gut is still telling me that Axle is bad for this game. But that's the problem with these games, our guts don't agree. But either way, I changed my vote from Axle to HoM based on one ridiculous post, but I never really felt he was scum like I do Axle.
VOTE: Axle (again)
You guys are posting fast for me and I have a lot more to read and think over, but here is something that's bothering me. This post of Jedizora's... :/
That's not really something a town would say... it's a scummy tactic to try to kill another to save yourself. This sounds so wrong. I know HoM said earlier that he FOSed Axle but he has yet to push that he is scum. (That I know of anyway.) So Why would Jedi say HoM should have tried to get Axle killed in his place? :/
With this in mind I looked at his other posts:
This one.
Look at the underlined part and compare with his other posts:Here and here.
After his first post all he has been talking about this game... is the third party, and then his vote for HoM. Does this bother anyone else?
Remember, than when he first hidden role claimed, the little white text was specifically worded as a joke ("hidden roleclaim ftw" - unless he really thinks he can win the game based on randomly claiming, it was a joke). So it's not that he is "now saying that his hidded role claim was "for the lulz"", but he is just backing it up to where it started.I believe that my vote against HoM stands. From reading up it seems to me that he is mostly just trying to convince people, especially weaker players, that he is a Towny. He is picking on SoL, as well as attempting to assure everyone that he is well versed in Pokemon. He is also now saying that his hidden role claim was "for the lulz", which I believe is just trying to back-track on a screw-up.
Yeah, sorry, worded that badly. I meant the hidden claim in the first place. If he wouldn't have done it he wouldn't have had to claim.Claiming under pressure is fine, it only seems right when he had that many votes on him. But yeah that whole "hidden role claim" thing was a bit random. I don't know what exactly he was trying to do but I don't think scum would take a chance like that, it was only drawing attention to himself. Even so, that may have been the wrong choice, but I think you're right saying he is generally town.
Remember that great new player of joining-around-the-time-mafia-6-started? Yeah, that was me. And it wasn't Mafia 6 that you had the great gut feeling, so I don't remember.Obviously, gut feelings tend to be different from person to person. But does no one remember the great gut feeling from way back in one of the earliest mafia games? I was a total noob but my gut lead me to the SK
I'm just saying gut feelings are useful sometimes, even when we may disagree, but hey, you could be scum.
I just wanted to say that a few people generally have scum metas. This includes both Jedizora and HoT, among others. I haven't look at a game without either one of them acting particularly scummish. Though, to be fair, last game HoT was scum, so....I did notice that first post of Jedi's that you highlighted, but I didn't comment on it at the time. Yes it did come across as very scummy, and I do agree with a lot of your analysis. He's someone to keep an eye on at least.
For some reason, HoM's roleclaim seems very genuine, I think he's telling the truth.
A bodeyguard is quite an important role, but his 40% suicide rate doesn't make his role that important, he's not like a docter, more like vt with a nice specialty.
HoM, I understand you're just trying new tactics etc. in this game, but if there would come a time when we do need you to protect an important person, the mafia/third party already knows you will defend him/her what makes you a very easy target..
@Djinn, "EGMEOY"
Claiming under pressure is fine, it only seems right when he had that many votes on him. But yeah that whole "hidden role claim" thing was a bit random. I don't know what exactly he was trying to do but I don't think scum would take a chance like that, it was only drawing attention to himself. Even so, that may have been the wrong choice, but I think you're right saying he is generally town.
Scummy meta isn't a defence. If you act like scum expect to get lynched.
I agree with this, act scummy and expect to be lynched. Saying things like that is your playing style is no defense, Someone makes a scum move people will act on it. I like to think the 11 votes on HoM before proves this nicely.
Wasn't under pressure? Wow. Just wow. You didn't read all of the posts. I had 11 votes when I role claimed... Like the legitimate one where I actually said who I am, not the hidden one.
I mean before you were voted by all of the others. When you roleclaimed, you weren't under any pressure. It's possible that you just lied about the roleclaim and you might be a Mafia or the SK, but I'll go through the posts again for evidence.
The Leet Four consists of the following: Bruno (fighting type [a bodyguard? makes some serious sense...][also in the Johto league because he is]), Lorelei (ice type [town role blocker?]), Agatha (ghost type [not so sure on this one]), Lance (dragon type [not super sure on this one either]), Will (Johto, psychic type [town cop?]), Koga (Johto, poison type [poisoner? not likely]), and Karen (Johto, dark type [not sure about this one either]).
hidden roleclaim ftw
Hero of Music said:Oh and because it actually got some real scum hunting out and made a couple people slip up. Like Jedizora and Soldier of Link... pretty suspicious behavior with those two...