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Goron Link, Celeboy, and goomboo are the only ones who have a vote on both bandwaggons.
And you :bleh:thirty characters, amirite?
Goron Link, Celeboy, and goomboo are the only ones who have a vote on both bandwaggons.
Okay, looked back at the thread, most notably the vote history of those who voted on the bandwagons. Goron Link, Celeboy, and goomboo are the only ones who have a vote on both bandwaggons.
First, Celeboy; he encourages us to pursue the lurkers, which would of course assure attention remains off of him since he wasn't lurking. (And as we've already seen with both Meego and Zelda_8, scum players can be active(ish?) players.) Then he defends himself as soon as he gets any attention, though the person pointing him out was Meego, so that could go either way, but she keeps pressing and he starts overreacting. Then he continues this as he openly tries to force a bandwagon against Elfen. He then gets called out on it with a vote, and overreacts to this, twice. Then when the votes are reset he's all too eager to jump on the bandwagon without ever having posted his suspicions against jedizora. He then (much like Zenox (no, I haven't forgotten about you)) claims not to believe tecknokid's claim. Then, as soon as I start to recognize evidence against Zenox, he immediately tries to start a bandwagon, again. And he attacks goomboo for claiming because he wasn't asked to claim. But after all that he does seem to be offline most of the time (like if you look at his profile, he's not even logging on most days), and his posts seem consistent with his online time if, instead of reading what he missed, he just reads the most recent page and bases his evidence off of that. IGMEOY, Celeboy, though if it's the not-very-active thing, you need to read everything and make more informed posts.
Then, we have Goron Link; He shows a refusal to change his vote for the sole purpose of not changing votes. And more than once. Though as soon as the votes are reset he's all to eager to jump on the jedizora bandwagon. He claims to base this off of others' evidence, but earlier in the thread he labeled that as a scum tactic. Then he's super-excited when we get a lynch. He later uses the same tactic of using other peoples' evidence, and later again acts like he can't change a vote. After all of that, though, this is his first game and he makes tons of "not quite sure how to play Mafia" mistakes more than scum mistakes. Don't really think he's scum as much someone who hasn't learned to form his own opinions.
Finally, last of the three is goomboo, whom I had voted for but forgot about once my post about Zenox became the center of conversation.
Renewing my information from my first post suspicious of him, he targets tecknokid with very little reasoning for the same thing; targeting people with very little reasoning. Very hypocritical. But this was only after he does the same thing against jedizora.
Then he only pops back in the thread to defend himself when he wasn't even targeted in the first place, and again, and again. What's the purpose of repeatedly defending yourself when you were never in need of defending yourself in the first place?
He later popped in today to cast more vague suspicions that have already been said before and demand a claim. He then IGMEOY'd both Goron Link and Zenox without any reasoning, and then claims to have provided his evidence after having two votes on himself and also claims without provocation or necessity. And according to the ZeldaWiki page on Syrup, she seems more like a character who would have a role such as Flavor Cop (though there are other possibilities), and I seriously doubt that we have so many Vanilla Townies in this game. We need some power roles in this game or else the mafia is basically guaranteed a win.
Finally, he voted for Zenox because he was suspicious of both him and Goron Link, and Goron Link claimed so his vote went to Zenox, yet Zenox's claim did nothing to affect the vote. And in his most recent post he attacks Celeboy for pointing out the inconsistencies (is that the right word?) in his claim.
His posts seem the most suspicious since day one; basically no scumhunting, attacking people for things he does himself, and being completely overly defensive. All of these are huge scum tells, and although I have other suspicions, I'm going to renew my
VOTE: goomboo
tl;dr: I'm suspicious of a lot of people and I'm not going to post a comprehensive scum list, but right now I'm leaning towards goomboo, with secondaries on Goron Link and Celeboy.
(curiously enough, it's Green Goron and Zenox, who I've pegged as working together, though I'm choosing to trust Zenox's claim for now),
Final Vote Tally for Day 1:
jedizora (10) - Zenox, Justeazy, Goron Link, Komali, Josie, goomboo, tecknokid900, Go_Dark_Link, Celeboy, Meego7
Celeboy (1) - Raindrop14
Day 1 You voted bandwagon first, I followed and so did others, and townie got lynched. Day 2 I voted you, you voted Goronlink, and only those five voted tecknokid. The only three names that match up between the two bandwagons are those I have previously stated: Goron Link, Celeboy, goomboo.Final Post Tally for Day 2:
Goron Link (4) - green goron, tecknokid900, Gonzo, Zenox
Raindrop14 (1) - Meego7
Celeboy (1) - Raindrop14
Zenox (1) - Komali, Justeazy
tecknokid900 (5) - Zelda_8, FirevsIce, Goron Link, Celeboy, goomboo
I get it you have have a personal grudge against me because I call you out when you mess up, but do your research before you accuse me.
EBWODP: I have never accused you without evidence yet you continue to do it to me.
You still haven't provided any suspicions or evidence for that vote against me you did. And considering I'm the one doing the most scumhunting for the town I don't think it'd be good to lynch me just yet. If you want to kill me, go ahead, but it won't be the best thing to keep the town surviving in this game, I guarantee it.
EBWODP (again?)
Actually, there are not. The second bandwagon was kind of a toss-up after tecknokid's claim, and there were very little votes on it. See above for actual numbers.I don't feel like looking back at the thread now but I'm sure there were others. Komali comes to mind. I'm pretty sure Fire vs. Ice is the most inactive player because I read older post and saw FVI and forgot he was in the game. He has like 5 post and voted for technokid.
Funny thing is that until my vote no one paid any attention to goomboo. The other funny thing is that Zenox voted for the same person as me and so did you
And I had payed attention to goomboo, just didn't feel the need to point anything out until you hit on something I hadn't got to yet. And yes, I did vote for him too, but the things is that (initially) I removed my vote after his claim, whereas you two didn't.
And considering I'm the one doing the most scumhunting for the town I don't think it'd be good to lynch me just yet. If you want to kill me, go ahead, but it won't be the best thing to keep the town surviving in this game, I guarantee it.
And considering I'm the one doing the most scumhunting for the town I don't think it'd be good to lynch me just yet. If you want to kill me, go ahead, but it won't be the best thing to keep the town surviving in this game, I guarantee it.
This I first overlooked the couple times I read it, but now its starting to make sense. He states that in order to be safe and proven town, we need to name claim and have a power roll, it appears this is where he first starts his fishing for power rolls.I believe that fake claims are the cause here and we cannot automatically slap a "town" or "scum" sticker on someone for a claim. Especially given the fact that there's many vanillas. Scum can easily attack vanilla to their fake claim and avoid suspicion. The only ones who are really town-sided are those who claim a name and a power role, in which case they're only safe if nobody counter-claims their power role, but not necessarily town because they could always call a role the town doesn't have.
After many of attacks against Zenox he finally got people to start voting against him and Zenox name claimed. He didn't say he had a power roll, and Justeazy continued to push against him for a few more posts. But then.....Dammit, looks like I'm going to get it if I don't do this.
I'm Richard (Zelda Wiki), Prince of Koholint Island.
He says thats a good enough explanation, but that is only after Zenox explains why he doesn't put an "ebwodp" on his posts. So it sounds like Justeazy is saying that his explanation on the double posting is a good enough reason to unvote. Really it just sounds like he wasn't able to get a power roll out of Zenox and finally decided to drop it.Yeah, well it's not automatically assumed for this game. lol
I would encourage you to do so because I'd hate to see you get modkilled for a stupid reason.
Anyway, that is an explaination for me, and with that, I will
unvote: Zenox, though
IGMEOY Zenox
Its almost as if you pointing out my "apparently suspicious" roleclaim to take people off your trail. I remember at the beggining of the game where you said about your conclusion of: five mafia and the evil dudes. This makes me suspicious as the mafia can see the rest of their fellow Mafia so it seems to me like Celeboy has tried to tell us how many mafia there are without making him seem like he knows the exact amount. I'm sorry about my lack of evidence but I'm just genuinly rubbish at nit-picking out all the important details :'(
TheGreen, I think we've established that voting without evidence is more scummy than trying to find the scum....
Okay, looked back at the thread, most notably the vote history of those who voted on the bandwagons.
Goron Link, Celeboy, and goomboo are the only ones who have a vote on both bandwaggons.
First, Celeboy; he encourages us to pursue the lurkers, which would of course assure attention remains off of him since he wasn't lurking. (And as we've already seen with both Meego and Zelda_8, scum players can be active(ish?) players.) Then he defends himself as soon as he gets any attention, though the person pointing him out was Meego, so that could go either way, but she keeps pressing and he starts overreacting. Then he continues this as he openly tries to force a bandwagon against Elfen. He then gets called out on it with a vote, and overreacts to this, twice. Then when the votes are reset he's all too eager to jump on the bandwagon without ever having posted his suspicions against jedizora. He then (much like Zenox (no, I haven't forgotten about you)) claims not to believe tecknokid's claim. Then, as soon as I start to recognize evidence against Zenox, he immediately tries to start a bandwagon, again. And he attacks goomboo for claiming because he wasn't asked to claim. But after all that he does seem to be offline most of the time (like if you look at his profile, he's not even logging on most days), and his posts seem consistent with his online time if, instead of reading what he missed, he just reads the most recent page and bases his evidence off of that. IGMEOY, Celeboy, though if it's the not-very-active thing, you need to read everything and make more informed posts.
Well, I was really banking on his vote for be because of a personal vendetta. He has provided zero evidence towards my scum and only voted on me when you voted on me, trying to start a pointless bandwagon. You provided evidence with your vote, and as such I didn't claim it otherwise. I was basically saying "it's not good to put your personal feelings in the way of the goal" and I also said "kill me" instead of "lynch me" for a reason, basically daring him to NK me if I don't get lynched, though thanks for making me point that out.Huge scum tell in my eyes, "don't kill me, it won't be good for the town". You only appear to be doing more scumhunting, but that does not mean you are pro town. This statement seems odd because you are not near a lynch, and only a few have decided to question your status.
Well that's what you think. I am, more or less, leading the town, but if you look back at all the post history and post date/times, there are plenty of other times when other people post evidence and I say I agree/disagree, but post my own evidence. It's not my fault that people seem to be following my lead, though I believe it has something to do with the fact this is BM and I have more experience in the game being much more active than it is here (if you look at my post in the sign up thread, I say I've played many of these types of games but never played one online before; real life games are much more fast-paced than this, thus my style much more closely matches those kinds). I do believe it is bad that I alone seem to be "leading the town" but until more people step up and start providing their own evidence instead of mainly me, I believe that's the way it's going to stay. This post is a good example of that because, although I do not wish to be lynched, your reasoning is sound and I'm not questioning that.I am conviced that you are scum, and its not good to have you leading us on who to lynch, especially since those who you had in your analysis have proven to be town more than others in the game. I found it odd too when you all of the sudden decided to drop your vote for Zenox and stopped your attacks against him since it wasn't going anywhere. You are pretty much going after people to get them to claim, and once they claim and show they are just a townie with out a power roll you bak off and leave them alone, it seems to me like you are fishing for power rolls.
Firstly, there wasn't "many attacks". I posted once attacking him with a breakdown of his recent activity and immediately two other people voted for him afterwards (this goes back to leading the town, but too many people are voting with little/no evidence and not doing their own scumhunting so we can't follow that).After many of attacks against Zenox he finally got people to start voting against him and Zenox name claimed. He didn't say he had a power roll, and Justeazy continued to push against him for a few more posts. But then.....
He says thats a good enough explanation, but that is only after Zenox explains why he doesn't put an "ebwodp" on his posts. So it sounds like Justeazy is saying that his explanation on the double posting is a good enough reason to unvote. Really it just sounds like he wasn't able to get a power roll out of Zenox and finally decided to drop it.
I didn't say anything about your unusual online times, I said that most days you're not online at all (regardless of your time zone, if you'd have been online in the last 24 hours it'll show up), and you have explained your time-zone difficulties earlier in the thread and it would not be right to accuse you for such. In fact, I specifically say your "posts seem consistent with your online time". That's more defending your post history than attacking it. The attack on goomboo could have been misinterpreted because of the translation of emphasis over the internet, though using your time zone as an excuse for your vote on tecknokid doesn't hold water because of the fact that you didn't vote him until after his claim and since he claimed over 24 hours before the end of the day you had plenty of time to post regardless of your timezone.First, I wasn't attacking Goomboo (at least I don't think I was) I was just wondering why he roleclaimed so early. Second, I'm only inactive when you're on because I live in England and most of you guys live in America. Third, I didn't believe Technokids claim, but as I stated, I wasn't on when he showed his colour, because when he was lynched, and I came on to see what had happened, I saw the colour and it was the same as mine! I'm sorry that when I'm waking up you're going to bed and I miss all the important discussion.
I don't find it safe for one person to lead the town, that has bad idea all over it with an almost guarantee mafia victory. I do agree that this thread is full of too many inactives, and we need everyone in here contributing. I forget that we still have a good number of people in this game because there is only like five people discussing.
summary: If you don't want me leading the town, step up and do it yourself, because with this many people being inactive(ish) and just following bandwagons it can't be very well balanced. You seem to be doing a good job in that post, though obviously I'm going to defend myself where you're wrong.