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::::::There's nothing to dispute. It's a bald editorial statement. You can say that something *a character* says - like Fugo or Rauru - is mistaken or oversold for [character POV reasons], but editorial statements from a primary source (i.e, the games. Official websites like zelda.com , official tie-in books like Hyrule Historia, etc are secondary sources) are right by definition. As for the Deku Tree, think of it the other way around. He made the Koroks like him. - [[User:Sanityormadness|Sanityormadness]] ([[User talk:Sanityormadness|talk]]) 11:32, August 8, 2023 (UTC) | ::::::There's nothing to dispute. It's a bald editorial statement. You can say that something *a character* says - like Fugo or Rauru - is mistaken or oversold for [character POV reasons], but editorial statements from a primary source (i.e, the games. Official websites like zelda.com , official tie-in books like Hyrule Historia, etc are secondary sources) are right by definition. As for the Deku Tree, think of it the other way around. He made the Koroks like him. - [[User:Sanityormadness|Sanityormadness]] ([[User talk:Sanityormadness|talk]]) 11:32, August 8, 2023 (UTC) | ||
Short summary for short attention spans: Skyward Sword has all Humans in the sky and Sheikah on the surface. This makes them different people. Twilight Princess agrees. The thing that says "Hylian (Sheikah)" gets other things wrong, so with what we know (Sheikah aren't Humans) it's believable that it would get this wrong. | |||
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There's a bit of an issue here. The games can be primary sources, but lots of the exposition is word of mouth from NPCs, subject to this [character POV], making the in-game stuff we hear rather than see weaker. As it was created in-game, the Purah Pad may be subject to the whims of [character POV]. To strengthen your argument, we can say it maybe isn't afflicted with [character POV], ergo it can be considered at TotK inventory status. If we have two primary sources which clash, we'd best look at which is backed up by more (spoiler: nothing backs TotK up). | |||
This inventory is already known to lie to us in the form of two-handed weapon damage numbers, damaging its credence. If it can be demonstrated further that this specific bit of inventory is shaky - for which I shall return to the Deku Tree - then any reason to question something it says should be looked at with great suspicion. | |||
Koroks are creature created from the Kokiri by the Deku Tree. Maybe he modelled them approximately in his image, but that changes nothing. He didn't create himself from a Kokiri; he's not a Korok. | |||
Now we ask: do we have reason to question "Hylian (Sheikah)"? Yes. Why? Skyward Sword, another primary source, backed up by secondary sources authored by Nintendo, places all Humans in the sky, and the Sheikah on the surface, meaning Sheikah cannot possibly be Hylian given that Hylians are Human. | |||
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Looking into it, there's actually a second narrative that solidifies this claim. The Oocca, the original chosen people of the Goddess, are the ancestors of the Hylians. Whether this means the Humans were made scientifically by the Oocca or evolved from some of the Oocca isn't stated solidly, with some translations being slightly off, so I won't make any assumptions. Nevertheless, the Oocca left for the sky when the Humans arrived, leaving the Humans in the dark about their presence. If the Sheikah were to act as mediators between the Oocca and the Hylian royals (whom would learn of them from the Sheikah), then it's quite clear that the Sheikah would need to know the Oocca. The logical follow-through is that the Sheikah were already there before the Humans, in order to know the Oocca and document their existence. | |||
This leaves a dilemma. Do we follow a primary source backed by an official secondary source that stands solidified by other stated facts thus far in the series, or do we follow a source that's notably inconsistent in the department in question which states something in contravention to all other sources? The idea of "Hylian (Sheikah)" has *NEVER* been used before - it has always been just "Sheikah" - and now it's being used only by something that can't tell a Korok from a Deku Tree, running against a previous solid narrative. | |||
Even if the Sheikah were Hylian (they aren't) it's not productive to put "Hylian (Sheikah)" unless you're going to keep subdividing everyone. If you're doing that, you should put "Human (Hylian)" or "Human (Gerudo)", which would then mean you need to actually put "Human (Hylian (Sheikah))". Or you could just keep it snappy and always unequivocally correct no matter what and put "Sheikah", which is obviously the most sensible thing to do.[[User:Argentum Kurodil|Argentum Kurodil]] ([[User talk:Argentum Kurodil|talk]]) 10:20, August 9, 2023 (UTC) | |||