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Forum Merger Discussion/Suggestions

Jimmu

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Hello everyone, due to the other thread going very far downhill the staff team have decided to kill the other thread and start afresh.

Please keep discussion here to giving opinions, suggestions and feedback regarding upcoming changes to the forum. Thank you.
 
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Good call. I would like to pick up from Matt's last post concering the Life Advice section. I absolutely agree that keeping it private is very important.
As for the merge itself, I know I've been a vocal opponent of it, but in the end, this is something that is out of my powers and so I'd much rather have it happen and make sure I can contribute to it going as smoothly as it can go by giving feedback. My opinion remains unchanged - I'd much rather have ZI merged into ZD, or them not being merged at all. But if it's going to happen, please make sure it goes well for all parties involved. Some of the staff members from ZI who have posted here seem very convinced to make that happen.
 
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Hmm... what you said about a security risk reminded me of something very important that didn't get answered because of all the other stuff going on. I know someone here mentioned it before, but it didn't seem to be answered. We have extremely private and personal information in the Life Advice section of our forum. We have safeguards in place to make sure it's reasonably private. If we end up being merged to ZI, will steps be taken to ensure that remains the case? In some cases it's personal troubles that someone may not want their families to know like struggling with trouble parents or questions of sexuality. So to counter that, we have the section set to members only. I'm extremely concerned about it remaining that way. I'm sure it's possible, but I just wanted to make sure that it's been made fully clear. I might even make the argument that mature discussion should be that way too because sometimes intolerant family members who manage to find it online can give hard times about political opinions and other beliefs that they don't approve of. I've had it happen to me before.

Relevant from the old thread.

I can assure you that member only sections are a very basic feature of every forum package out there, let alone paid professional suites like VB, Xenforo, and IPB. In any merger, before the boards become public again I can assure you that member only sections that contain private information would be setup and secured before public access is granted.
 

Emma

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Relevant from the old thread.

I can assure you that member only sections are a very basic feature of every forum package out there, let alone paid professional suites like VB, Xenforo, and IPB. In any merger, before the boards become public again I can assure you that member only sections that contain private information would be setup and secured before public access is granted.
Is it at all possible to put some sort of mild safeguard into it say.... requiring a member to have been registered for at least, say, a week before they can access it? Nothing excessive. But enough to discourage people who have malicious intent from creating accounts for the express purpose of spying on people.

On that note, we have a plugin here called force ignore. This one I know the history of very well because I begged Jamie to install it. I was being stalked by someone who was collecting private information about me, intending to spread it to other people she wished to think ill of me. I personally felt extremely threatened by it since this person had threatened my family before. Force ignore prevented her from viewing any of my posts. In a merge, something like this would have to be caried forward and the existing blocks kept in place. but obviously only ever implemented in very serious situations such as stalking like me case. We couldn't find a valid rule that justified banning when someone has a stalker.
 

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The Shoutbox is the only feature I really hope is definitely gonna be installed at ZI; Mases himself said this would be priority though, so I'm not worried. The other features I don't care about as much. Ya the shop is cool, the arcade is fun, and I do like the social forums/groups, but they're not features that I'd go crazy for. So long as our posts and stuff get transferred I'm happy.
 

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This may seem obvious, but I hope the good intentions are genuine and not just an attempt to calm everyone the **** down lol. Most don't know many of these new ZI people, so it will be hard to determine right now, but I wouldn't like any problems. Everyone just has to be smart.

Excuse my ignorance, but what is this merger everyone keeps going on about?

ZD is Yin and ZI is Yang; long ago the two were at war, but recently our world has come under attack by a new evil. We must put aside our differences to confront the Fire Nation!

zeldadungeon bought zelda informer, so mases wanted to merge the forums...
 
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Is it at all possible to put some sort of mild safeguard into it say.... requiring a member to have been registered for at least, say, a week before they can access it? Nothing excessive. But enough to discourage people who have malicious intent from creating accounts for the express purpose of spying on people.

On that note, we have a plugin here called force ignore. This one I know the history of very well because I begged Jamie to install it. I was being stalked by someone who was collecting private information about me, intending to spread it to other people she wished to think ill of me. I personally felt extremely threatened by it since this person had threatened my family before. Force ignore prevented her from viewing any of my posts. In a merge, something like this would have to be caried forward and the existing blocks kept in place. but obviously only ever implemented in very serious situations such as stalking like me case. We couldn't find a valid rule that justified banning when someone has a stalker.

You know, I'm interested in this "stalking" tool you talk about. As someone who has actively hacked and found info out about people like a decade ago, I am pretty sure there is no addon that can actually block someone who cares to stalk you from actually stalking you. When you're on the internet in a public place, there are always work around and they are almost always extremely easy to do. Of course the easy thing is to never put any information you don't want public... public. If they are access private information, that's different, but you probably shouldn't keep private information on a message board profile, etc.

As for the "one week of activity" or what have you - certainly doable. Easily so in fact. But, what should the REAL barrier of entry be? We use to have a subset forum for such private conversations that the public was aware existed, but they had to ask to gain access and access was granted on an indviidual basis. SOrt of like NeoGAF, except the conversations aren't public. It was a better way of filtering out bad eggs who can't handle such personal chatter than a arbitrary time period.

Would love to discuss this stuff further.
 

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You know, I'm interested in this "stalking" tool you talk about. As someone who has actively hacked and found info out about people like a decade ago, I am pretty sure there is no addon that can actually block someone who cares to stalk you from actually stalking you. When you're on the internet in a public place, there are always work around and they are almost always extremely easy to do. Of course the easy thing is to never put any information you don't want public... public. If they are access private information, that's different, but you probably shouldn't keep private information on a message board profile, etc.
This person was not that sophisticated. You know this person very well. I'm pretty sure you can fill in the blanks and who it was so long as you know it's a she. I think you can understand why I'm hesitant to get into more details publicly. If you are very interested we can discuss privately if you wish.

As for the "one week of activity" or what have you - certainly doable. Easily so in fact. But, what should the REAL barrier of entry be? We use to have a subset forum for such private conversations that the public was aware existed, but they had to ask to gain access and access was granted on an indviidual basis. SOrt of like NeoGAF, except the conversations aren't public. It was a better way of filtering out bad eggs who can't handle such personal chatter than a arbitrary time period.

Would love to discuss this stuff further.
I know it's not an end-all solution, but I figured it'd be a simple solution for the lower end stalkers who won't bother to try to circumvent it or to hack into anything private. But if you have a better idea, by all means. I was only spinning possible ideas, not making a definitive request. all I am requesting is that something be done to protect people who are having this trouble. In a reasonable manner. Doesn't have to be explicitly what I mentioned.So long as it addresses the underlying worry.
 

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As for the "one week of activity" or what have you - certainly doable. Easily so in fact. But, what should the REAL barrier of entry be? We use to have a subset forum for such private conversations that the public was aware existed, but they had to ask to gain access and access was granted on an indviidual basis. SOrt of like NeoGAF, except the conversations aren't public. It was a better way of filtering out bad eggs who can't handle such personal chatter than a arbitrary time period.
I actually like that idea. There was some stuff I wanted to post in Life Advice quite some time ago, but was hesitant to because I really only wanted the people I knew well and trusted to see it. Perhaps people can get granted access once they've become well acquainted with the community. Maybe they can ask the mods to gain access and the mods can grant them if they deem them trustworthy enough? I'm not sure though, I mean I would definitely feel more secure posting personal stuff that way, but I feel like people might get upset if they can't access it for one reason or another.

Regardless, I like the idea, and it would be great if we can find some way to make it work.
 
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I was just using an example we had in the past. I understand personal conversations.At the same time, I also hate segmenting. I think IPB has a tool for having these personal conversations with people who "friend you" only and literally no one can see that convo BUT the people you invited into it.

Just trying to open it to other options I know exist. Because in the one above, it really doesn't require a full board for it and as such, we're not creating a "cool kids club". You just get to have that conversation only with the people you really want to have it with. Think of it like group messaging of sorts, but more uniformed.

Just spitballing. I think there are many different approaches to this that I probably haven't seen before.
 

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Seeing a spammer tonight reminded me of something else. Can you tell us what kind of spam ZI tends to get and what sorts of anti-spam measures you have in place? Also are there further measures possible in IPB? We seem to get maybe a half dozen a day, roughly.Though I'm sure we can get more exact numbers from someone who can look at the logs. No matter which forum ends up where, it's very likely the spammers constantly targeting ZD will follow everyone else. And that can cause issues. ZI's smaller, less active forum might not see the same levels of spam as ZD's forum gets. However I presume you have to deal with it in your comments. I admit I'm personally ignorant of how we deal with spam in our own comments.
 
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Seeing a spammer tonight reminded me of something else. Can you tell us what kind of spam ZI tends to get and what sorts of anti-spam measures you have in place? Also are there further measures possible in IPB? We seem to get maybe a half dozen a day, roughly.Though I'm sure we can get more exact numbers from someone who can look at the logs. No matter which forum ends up where, it's very likely the spammers constantly targeting ZD will follow everyone else. And that can cause issues. ZI's smaller, less active forum might not see the same levels of spam as ZD's forum gets. However I presume you have to deal with it in your comments. I admit I'm personally ignorant of how we deal with spam in our own comments.

We typically get ads (and I think we actually had our first porn spam in.... years last week). But it's usually one post every other day and it's all generated by bots. We have the usual captcha and such in place, but really outside of manual account approvals, bot spam is present in every forum. It's pretty mitigated as is though. The popularity of a board rarely has correlation to the amount of spam you get. Spam is just automated by bots that crawl various websites. I typically delete the posts and ban the accounts straight away. To get on our boards requires getting through capcha and then approving your account via email. We easily clean that up.

Obviously legit users can spam too, but hat's a different thing entirely.

As for spam in our comment section - really it's the same thing. On our front site we allow guest comments (I know, something almost every site has sworn off due to spam), yet we rarely if ever get spam in our comment section on the front site. Maybe once or twice a month.
 

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