Could imply? How about obviously implies, which is what it does.
So you're agreeing with what I say it could imply?
No, actually not at all. By that logic, I mean that a game released and played by maybe 20,000 people (legally), is not considered canon. It hasn't been re-released or referenced at any point since it came out on the Satellaview, and no games add too, play off of, or take away from the stories of BS LoZ or AST. They are literally nothing. The series would be the same right now as it would if they had never even been released.
The Zelda team worked on both, AST HAS been recognized by Nintendo and mentioned in interviews, and AST is the only hard evidence for LttP/LA.
And that's supposed to give it more significance? If they wanted to, Nintendo could have re-released AST or BS LoZ multiple times. They could have put it on Collector's Edition, they could have brought them out on GBA, they could put them on the Virtual Console... But obviously, they don't want to, because they aren't important.
1) Non-sequiter. 2) They wouldn't work the same way it does on the BS.
Why wouldn't it? Why can't ALttP reference LoZ if it is a prequel? I think Ganon somehow escaping the SR, roaming around Hyrule, somehow gaining the ToP, and being defeated by Link is pretty important. It actually makes perfect sense.
Because nothing was added to LttPs GBA manual. And they didn't add anything to LoZ's backstory on the GBA rereleases. So to you, both points should be moot.
Yeah, I know that. Which is what I'm saying. They could have been if they needed to be, but they were not. It doesn't have to be a complete remake to change things that need to be changed.
Ugh it's so hard to have a proper debate who has a COMPLETELY different mindset...
It's a straight up rerelease.
I don't consider that a very valid piece of evidence to place OoX.
I guess sensical evidenced Triforce consistency doesn't matter at all.
Then enlighten us on how that makes any bit of sense NOW, as in present times. The ONLY way that OoT can still be the SW is if Ganon never escaped after OoT. He would have had to stay there all the way until ALttP, ALttP would have to be on the AT, so the timeline would have been OoT--ALttP. That didn't happen because WW came along and said "Well Ganondorf ended up escaping", so that kills the OoT as the SW theory right there.
Circular logic is circular.
Then enlighten us on how that makes any bit of sense NOW, as in present times. The ONLY way that OoT can still be the SW is if Ganon never escaped after OoT. He would have had to stay there all the way until ALttP, ALttP would have to be on the AT, so the timeline would have been OoT--ALttP. That didn't happen because WW came along and said "Well Ganondorf ended up escaping", so that kills the OoT as the SW theory right there.
I was referring to in 1998, which is mostly what this debate is about. In 1998 OoT was intended the SW, and only a moron would deny that.
Welp, WW does, without question, disprove OoT as the SW.
Not really. I agree that because of TWW OoT isn't the SW anymore. But saying it is flat out impossible is just plain ignorant and stupid.
This is the same damn problem we have with the LA debate. I have no problem with OoT =/= SW or LttP/LA, I have a problem with people saying that those are completely undeniable.
Actually, no. I said it could if it wanted to. By my logic, ALttP is obviously a prequel to LoZ. By your logic, all you can do is say this is and this isn't right, based on your logic. And your logic stems from a quote by Miyamoto, who had virtually nothing to do with the story of anything after LoZ, and so far, your logic is based on small things that pretty much no one knows about or ever hears about (like the Satellaview games). Your logic also hasn't came up with any really good points for LoZ--ALttP, other than Ganon having the Triforce of Power in LoZ. Guess what? That doesn't really answer how he ever got out of the Evil Realm. Doesn't answer how he transformed into Ganon for absolutely no reason. And you might say that him being pig Ganon is unimporant, but really that isn't true at all. ALttP gave reason for him being pig Ganon in later games. ALttP never once said he escaped the SR after entering it (as Ganondorf).
You may be right that OoT-LttP-LoZ makes more sense based on in-game evidence. But it is completely stupid to claim that you look for the developer intended timeline while saying that the OFFICIAL timeline of 1998 was incorrect.
Just cause those words are censored doesn't mean you can still say them. I suggest you read over the rules
I thought I just wasn't allowed to curse in succession? I'm not allowed to curse AT ALL!?!?
Do yourself a favor, and calm down.
The problem with this site is the know-it-all attitude that it, and everyone who theorizes on here, has adopted.
It was a problem on ZU for a while. People instinctively denied CT timelines just because they thought (and said quite a lot) that they had found the correct timeline. Which is why, I'm sure, Impossible hates the site so much (but it's much more accepting now). And why people whom I've known for a while began to dislike me for a period of 2 months because I was then angry at noticing how un-accepting the site was (I think Viral and I were feuding for a little while... but we're cool now
). Of course in the last few months it's gotten a lot better like that. This site hasn't; it's gotten progressively worse. And it's adopted LA's elitist attitude whilst not being influential or innovative at ALL.
I don't consider an ending scene that really has no purpose to be valid.
THIS IS THE ATTITUDE I CAN'T STAND.
You can't freaken say it has no purpose without a shadow of a doubt. OF COURSE if it has no purpose it isn't valid evidence. But saying it has no purpose without a doubt in your mind, and saying it has absolutely no purpose no matter what, pisses me off to no end.
Why would the Triforce need to "fly away"?
Maybe it's going to the SR to fill the gap in the Triforce for the official developer intended timeline. You don't HAVE to believe this theory, but to say it's flat out wrong before even considering it for a fallacious non-sequiter reason just pisses me off. And THAT'S the attitude that makes me angry when I'm on this site.
Jacensolo's translation of that page said differently, IIRC.
I remember it putting to rest to my stupid theory based on that quote just used for Ollathir...
ALso speaking BS LoZ makes OoT it's BS.
It more made the SW it's BS, not OoT. Since, you know, it's just cut-and-paste from LttPs story which contradicted OoT, anyway
That's absolute fan-fic. Please bring up actuall proof next time.
Person dying =/= Triforce returns to SR.
This.
ALttP connects itself to no games except OoT which does NOT imply an immidiate connection. ALttP does NOT reference LoZ in any way. OoT does.
Debatable (at this point in time. In 1998 I'd, of course, agree with you).
Even if it does, what would be the point in that? That scene helps nothing in the game or the timeline.
Except, possibly, signifying the Triforce going to the SR to fill the gap in the official timeline.
Wrong: It was referenced in the Zelda no video documentary in 2007.
Zelda no Video documentary was 2007
? I thought it was like 2003.
Yeah except for the fact that Ganon was COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY DESTROYED at the end of ALttP.
Pinecove... I'd expect you to not use NoA...
He's just as dead in LoZ as he is in LttP.
We're arguing first five ttitles (plus OoX) right now. Not TWW. Save that discussion for another day.
Just to nitpick, we're more arguing the intent behind the first 5 games. Which, I'd say, can include anything up to TWW (since that completely changed everything).