Game Thread X-Mafia: Days of Future Scum

[Doc]

I understand your feelings towards my actions around the Storm wagon because that's how I feel towards you. It seemed like you were hesitant to endorse it, but then hopped on when it gained steam.

My vote was never intended to hop on the bandwagon. In fact, I completely expected Storma's claim to clear him and thought my vote would be temporary. I think that my language even indicated that I expected Storma’s bandwagon to fall apart after his claim.

 

[Doc]

Also...check out my profile, I guess??

 

[Morbid Minish]

Okay, I promised a reads list, so here ya go.

• karu- I've already slightly mentioned why I'm town reading karu. Funnier quoted that post and mentioned that he doesn't exactly feel the same because he hasn't seen karu as scum, so he's hesitant to town read her when he's not used to her being around this much. I do get where he's coming from, but there are a few reasons I'm leaning town for her. I can't recall if she ever has been scum before, but it does seem like in most games when she's town, she's killed rather early and doesn't get the chance to really show her skills/thought processes. I think she's been showing a lot of critical thinking this day, and like that she's looking for connections and really scum hunting. Since she's not experienced as scum, I would expect her to be less confident and more hesitant about calling people out as much as she has if she were mafia this time. I really liked how she came into day 2 pointing out a possible connection after Storm's flip. Even if I don't exactly agree with that assessment, it showed some analytical thinking.
  
• Yigahim- Yiga is a pretty obvious town read at this point. He's stepped up his game play a little bit more this time, which is helpful. I just don't see his interactions and vote of Storm day 1 to be bussing. While I think that his later posts after that have been a bit CWAC, he doesn't look to be his typical scum self.
  
• funnier- I've got a little less confidence in my town read of funnier. It's more of a slight town lean. But that's because with how often he's been scum, I'm always a bit cautious with my read of him. However, he's usually kinda easy to read alignment wise, and I'm not getting his scum vibes from him this game. I think he's been looking at a lot of different places trying to suss out scum, which is always a good thing for town. I also don't think he would've pushed Storm to role claim if they were scum together, without making sure Storm had a good fake role to claim. So he probably is more of a town read for that alone, but I always gotta have some doubt with him.
• Tristan- I think it's pretty obvious why Tristan is a neutral read. Hasn't posted much and is seeking a replacement. Don't have much to say about him.
• Ryuken- He's neutral mainly for the fact that he has an odd posting style, and is a new player. So it is a little hard for me to get a good read on him yet. However, I will say that I do like how active he has been, but I'll have to see a bit more before I can be more sure about my read of him. He was also the only other counter wagon on day 1, so it seems unlikely there would be two scum wagons then.
• HylianEvan- He's neutral for much of the same reasons Ryuken is. He's new and has a bit of an odd posting style. Has seemed a little defensive at points, but that isn't really AI. I'd like him to post a bit more of his thoughts more often, rather than CWAC-y type posts. But other than that, I'll also have to see a little more from him to get a better read.
  
• DekuNut- Got a slight scum lean for Deku. I've said before that I have trouble reading him and usually find him scummy no matter what his alignment is. He hasn't really been active much this day phase, so I'd like to see more from him. But for day 1, he was the only vote on a counter wagon to Storm, which doesn't look great after his flip. Could be scum hoping to save a scumbud by getting others to join him on a different vote. He also just jokingly reacted to funnier and Storm trying to put pressure on him. So it could be that he knew his scumbud Storm would back off if he started to get some serious votes and didn't really feel threatened at the time.
• Doc- I've already mentioned why I find Doc scummy, but I'll reiterate it here I guess for convenience. He seemed to be defensive of Storm and suspicious of Yiga day 1 and with Storm's flip and Yiga's easy town read now, that looks pretty bad. His place on the Storm wagon is also not too great. He was the third vote after having defended him earlier in the day, so he could've been bussing when it was obvious that Storm was going to be the lynch. He also isn't fighting the suspicion on him much, which could be scum backed into a corner without much to defend themselves.
• A Link In Time- Like Deku, ALIT is one of the people I have trouble reading and always find scummy. So of course it's no different this time, when his opinions have seemed a little wishy-washy and show some hesitation. He's also one of the votes that look like they could be bussing on the Storm wagon. At the beginning of day 2 he made a post stating that Ryuken could be scum but it seemed unlikely, which funnier quoted asking the relevance of that thought and I have to agree with funnier here. It seemed like he was just throwing out some random stuff that didn't really mean much. Especially considering after that he made a post saying it seemed likely that Ryuken was town because he was the counterwagon. So stating that someone who looks town could potentially be scum for no reason looks pretty odd.
• Ayano Keiko- I mentioned him slightly in another post, about how I'm getting similar vibes from him as his play in Anime Mafia. And funnier seemed to agree with me on that. Not sure why we're both thinking that, when he was SK that game and we have no evidence of an SK this game, but I'm thinking it could just be a general scum playstyle. I haven't played a ton of games with Keiko, so I'm not too great at reading him yet. But with his place on the Storm wagon, and his posts that seem less like scum hunting and more like covering his bases when it comes to giving his thoughts, I've got a scum lean on him.

I'm torn between these last 4 on who to vote. My vote will go towards one of them, but I don't want to place it right this minute. I'd like a little bit of insight from others after this post. Because seeing as half of them I have trouble reading usually and typically get scum vibes from them, I want to see what everyone else thinks of my thoughts. My admitted lack of motivation for this game and my trouble reading them, makes me want some second opinions to see if my reasoning makes sense to others.

 

[Pen]

Day 2 Current Vote Tally:
DekuNut - 1 (Ryuken)
Doc - 2 (A Link In Time, funnier6)
Ryuken - 1 (YIGAhim)

Not voting - karu, DekuNut, Doc, Ayano Keiko, Minish_Link, HylianEVAN, Ver-go-a-go-go

With 11 players alive it takes 6 for a majority lynch. Otherwise the day ends on Friday, February 9th 2018 at 11:59 PM CET. Countdown: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdo...T2359&p0=239&msg=End+of+Day+2&font=slab&csz=1

Notice: Ver-go-a-go-go has replaced Tristan!

 

[Ryuken]

Ayano Keiko- I mentioned him slightly in another post, about how I'm getting similar vibes from him as his play in Anime Mafia. And funnier seemed to agree with me on that. Not sure why we're both thinking that, when he was SK that game and we have no evidence of an SK this game, but I'm thinking it could just be a general scum playstyle. I haven't played a ton of games with Keiko, so I'm not too great at reading him yet. But with his place on the Storm wagon, and his posts that seem less like scum hunting and more like covering his bases when it comes to giving his thoughts, I've got a scum lean on him.

Ayano Keiko did seem a bit reluctant D1 to vote Storma right away, saying all they had was a "gut feeling." I'm still waiting on their thoughts about D2 so far, but I agree with your reasoning.

DekuNut- Got a slight scum lean for Deku. I've said before that I have trouble reading him and usually find him scummy no matter what his alignment is. He hasn't really been active much this day phase, so I'd like to see more from him. But for day 1, he was the only vote on a counter wagon to Storm, which doesn't look great after his flip. Could be scum hoping to save a scumbud by getting others to join him on a different vote. He also just jokingly reacted to funnier and Storm trying to put pressure on him. So it could be that he knew his scumbud Storm would back off if he started to get some serious votes and didn't really feel threatened at the time.

As someone who was on the receiving end, I got the impression he was looking for an excuse to vote someone other than Storma, which is why I voted him early in D2. Really hoping to hear his thoughts about that as well. If any of the Mafia took that joking post seriously, he would've likely been targeted the following night. Obviously, that didn't happen. Your reasoning holds.

A Link In Time- Like Deku, ALIT is one of the people I have trouble reading and always find scummy. So of course it's no different this time, when his opinions have seemed a little wishy-washy and show some hesitation. He's also one of the votes that look like they could be bussing on the Storm wagon. At the beginning of day 2 he made a post stating that Ryuken could be scum but it seemed unlikely, which funnier quoted asking the relevance of that thought and I have to agree with funnier here. It seemed like he was just throwing out some random stuff that didn't really mean much. Especially considering after that he made a post saying it seemed likely that Ryuken was town because he was the counterwagon. So stating that someone who looks town could potentially be scum for no reason looks pretty odd.

Nice observation. He most likely wasn't very confident about his interpretations of my posts, so there was bound to be some slip-ups. However, he did offer his thoughts about each meaningful D1 post and eventually deduced Doc was scum due to his sudden change in stance, placing a vote for him. I'm not entirely convinced ALIT is either scum or town, so I would place him in the "neutral" category.
Speaking of Doc...

Doc- I've already mentioned why I find Doc scummy, but I'll reiterate it here I guess for convenience. He seemed to be defensive of Storm and suspicious of Yiga day 1 and with Storm's flip and Yiga's easy town read now, that looks pretty bad. His place on the Storm wagon is also not too great. He was the third vote after having defended him earlier in the day, so he could've been bussing when it was obvious that Storm was going to be the lynch. He also isn't fighting the suspicion on him much, which could be scum backed into a corner without much to defend themselves

Doc strikes me as someone who isn't very confident in the statements they make, which (and if you'll excuse the ancedotal) from personal experience I find pretty scummy.

I don't think I'm being super quiet. I am trying to make sense of the situation. I retain that I do not find Storma's actions to be all that scummy. Bandwagoning and flip flopping into these extremes is kinda part of his meta. But I also get that some people see this as a distraction that's worth taking out now.

I'm not opposed to pressuring a role out of Storma at this point, because I don't see how else we can get a bit more information out of his lynch.

Unvote
Vote: Stormagedddddddden



Assuming Storma claims a role, do you have anyone else you find particularly scummy?

Nothing solid. I read back through day one and nobody's posts jumped out at me. I took a look at the Storma votes, and I do think any vote after your vote (me, Ayano, ALiT) look the most suspicious. Most of the people who didn't vote were not very active, so it's hard to get a read on them.

Of those who didn't vote, Minish is perhaps top of my suspicions. I feel like this reads a bit as OMGUS considering she just said she'd vote for me. However, I feel like she was fairly dismissive of Storma (which I was too). And she points me out because I threw suspicion at YIGA, but Deku did the same thing. This is an incredibly weak suspicion, and I can't really blame her for giving Storma the benefit of the doubt.

These are the two posts I think are the most suspicious from Doc based on a reread of D1 and D2. They have suspicions they themselves don't think are suspicious, and they seem to be reasoning against themselves, flipping from one side to the other. They also say they find me town for pursuing Yiga and Deku. Normally, this would make me lean more towards town, but I'm not convinced Deku isn't scumming.

With that, I'd like to hear why you think Deku is town leaning, @Doc , before I decide to change my vote.

 

[Doc]

With that, I'd like to hear why you think Deku is town leaning, @Doc , before I decide to change my vote

Mostly based on how I expect Storma to play. I don’t see him jumping on a wagon, pressure or otherwise, of a scumbud at the start of day one. I could be wrong, because my assumptions about Storma’s play style have already been wrong.

 

[Ryuken]

Mostly based on how I expect Storma to play. I don’t see him jumping on a wagon, pressure or otherwise, of a scumbud at the start of day one. I could be wrong, because my assumptions about Storma’s play style have already been wrong.

We could all be wrong in our stances.

However, that's the last thing a patient/student needs to hear from an expert opinion.

Unvote

Vote: Doc

 

[Doc]

We could all be wrong in our stances.

However, that's the last thing a patient/student needs to hear from an expert opinion.

Unvote

Vote: Doc

What? Am I the expert opinion here?

 

[Ryuken]

What? Am I the expert opinion here?

.....It was a joke.

 

[Doc]

.....It was a joke.

Could you explain why my explanation for why I considered Deku to be town leaning has led you to vote for me?

 

[Ryuken]

Could you explain why my explanation for why I considered Deku to be town leaning has led you to vote for me?

I do agree that Deku didn't wagon on Storma the beginning of Day 1. However, the fact that he was the only person to counterwagon and to do it on me still doesn't sit well with me despite his thought process. And like I explained, your less-than-confident behavior reads to me as scummy.

 

[funnier6]

Okay, I promised a reads list, so here ya go.

• karu- I've already slightly mentioned why I'm town reading karu. Funnier quoted that post and mentioned that he doesn't exactly feel the same because he hasn't seen karu as scum, so he's hesitant to town read her when he's not used to her being around this much. I do get where he's coming from, but there are a few reasons I'm leaning town for her. I can't recall if she ever has been scum before, but it does seem like in most games when she's town, she's killed rather early and doesn't get the chance to really show her skills/thought processes. I think she's been showing a lot of critical thinking this day, and like that she's looking for connections and really scum hunting. Since she's not experienced as scum, I would expect her to be less confident and more hesitant about calling people out as much as she has if she were mafia this time. I really liked how she came into day 2 pointing out a possible connection after Storm's flip. Even if I don't exactly agree with that assessment, it showed some analytical thinking.
  
• Yigahim- Yiga is a pretty obvious town read at this point. He's stepped up his game play a little bit more this time, which is helpful. I just don't see his interactions and vote of Storm day 1 to be bussing. While I think that his later posts after that have been a bit CWAC, he doesn't look to be his typical scum self.
  
• funnier- I've got a little less confidence in my town read of funnier. It's more of a slight town lean. But that's because with how often he's been scum, I'm always a bit cautious with my read of him. However, he's usually kinda easy to read alignment wise, and I'm not getting his scum vibes from him this game. I think he's been looking at a lot of different places trying to suss out scum, which is always a good thing for town. I also don't think he would've pushed Storm to role claim if they were scum together, without making sure Storm had a good fake role to claim. So he probably is more of a town read for that alone, but I always gotta have some doubt with him.
• Tristan- I think it's pretty obvious why Tristan is a neutral read. Hasn't posted much and is seeking a replacement. Don't have much to say about him.
• Ryuken- He's neutral mainly for the fact that he has an odd posting style, and is a new player. So it is a little hard for me to get a good read on him yet. However, I will say that I do like how active he has been, but I'll have to see a bit more before I can be more sure about my read of him. He was also the only other counter wagon on day 1, so it seems unlikely there would be two scum wagons then.
• HylianEvan- He's neutral for much of the same reasons Ryuken is. He's new and has a bit of an odd posting style. Has seemed a little defensive at points, but that isn't really AI. I'd like him to post a bit more of his thoughts more often, rather than CWAC-y type posts. But other than that, I'll also have to see a little more from him to get a better read.
  
• DekuNut- Got a slight scum lean for Deku. I've said before that I have trouble reading him and usually find him scummy no matter what his alignment is. He hasn't really been active much this day phase, so I'd like to see more from him. But for day 1, he was the only vote on a counter wagon to Storm, which doesn't look great after his flip. Could be scum hoping to save a scumbud by getting others to join him on a different vote. He also just jokingly reacted to funnier and Storm trying to put pressure on him. So it could be that he knew his scumbud Storm would back off if he started to get some serious votes and didn't really feel threatened at the time.
• Doc- I've already mentioned why I find Doc scummy, but I'll reiterate it here I guess for convenience. He seemed to be defensive of Storm and suspicious of Yiga day 1 and with Storm's flip and Yiga's easy town read now, that looks pretty bad. His place on the Storm wagon is also not too great. He was the third vote after having defended him earlier in the day, so he could've been bussing when it was obvious that Storm was going to be the lynch. He also isn't fighting the suspicion on him much, which could be scum backed into a corner without much to defend themselves.
• A Link In Time- Like Deku, ALIT is one of the people I have trouble reading and always find scummy. So of course it's no different this time, when his opinions have seemed a little wishy-washy and show some hesitation. He's also one of the votes that look like they could be bussing on the Storm wagon. At the beginning of day 2 he made a post stating that Ryuken could be scum but it seemed unlikely, which funnier quoted asking the relevance of that thought and I have to agree with funnier here. It seemed like he was just throwing out some random stuff that didn't really mean much. Especially considering after that he made a post saying it seemed likely that Ryuken was town because he was the counterwagon. So stating that someone who looks town could potentially be scum for no reason looks pretty odd.
• Ayano Keiko- I mentioned him slightly in another post, about how I'm getting similar vibes from him as his play in Anime Mafia. And funnier seemed to agree with me on that. Not sure why we're both thinking that, when he was SK that game and we have no evidence of an SK this game, but I'm thinking it could just be a general scum playstyle. I haven't played a ton of games with Keiko, so I'm not too great at reading him yet. But with his place on the Storm wagon, and his posts that seem less like scum hunting and more like covering his bases when it comes to giving his thoughts, I've got a scum lean on him.

I'm torn between these last 4 on who to vote. My vote will go towards one of them, but I don't want to place it right this minute. I'd like a little bit of insight from others after this post. Because seeing as half of them I have trouble reading usually and typically get scum vibes from them, I want to see what everyone else thinks of my thoughts. My admitted lack of motivation for this game and my trouble reading them, makes me want some second opinions to see if my reasoning makes sense to others.

Had to change themes to read this. D:

I’m going to trust your karu read I think.

I feel like you totally know I’m town but you’re hesitating just to mess with me.

I think that Ryuken would have to be awfully confident to have done as much talking as he has done and be scum. He would surely realize his play style was weird and probably try something closer to how we play, but then that might even be worse and he might not pull that off. What I’m trying to say is he comes off like he knows what he’s doing, even though since none of us have any clue what he’s doing he shouldn’t have that confidence if he’s scum. Anyway I just find it easier to think of him as town.

I don’t think Deku is town, but I also don’t think Deku is mafia, but really I’m not sure. Personally I’d like to have lynched just so I could get a role claim and satisfy my suspicions but that’ll only work if he shows up.

Doc is making me feel like somethings wrong, I get this chill with his latest posts cause if he’s town then we definitely went off the track today. Right now I could pretty much bet money that at least one in Doc, Deku, and ALIT is scum and when one flips town I’d put Ayano in that as well. I suppose if Deku doesn’t show we’ll wrangle a claim from Doc and if it satisfies switch to one of the other three.

I do feel like ALIT has been on the wrong foot, but that’s not why I’m not town reading him, it’s more his lack of conclusions even though he’s attempted to dissect several posts and didn’t really come out of them with anything. I’ll take another look but I’m pretty sure that was what it was. I don’t find his late vote on stormy that AI since I can see it both ways.

I think it’s something about attitude, I don’t think Ayanos been quite as involved since Anime and the demeanor seems the same. Obviously not much to base an SK read on but it wasn’t then either. Plus it makes me feel better you think the same since you were the only one suspicious of him last time.

 

[funnier6]

Ah, the votes have changed.

Unvote

Vote: Ayano

@Ayano Keiko didnt you promise thoughts ages agoo.

 

[YIGAhim]

He's stepped up his game play a little bit more this time

I think you may be selling me a bit short. I played pretty dang cruddy before this, and if you think this step up is only small, I disagree.

We need a lynch, and I say we all vote Ryuken.

Think about this:

- We are all torn and he hasn't gotten a town lean from any of us (I'm pretty sure). Keep this in mind over the next points

- If we lynch Ryuken and there is a scum flip, we know that Evan is the last mafia and we win. We get no such information from a doc lynch.

- If we lynch Ryuken and he flips town, we have Doc for the next day.

The last thing we want is a no-lynch. Ryuken's lynch will get us the most information.

 

[CynicalSquid]

Work is going to be the end of me. I will agree that I am looking pretty scummy right now because I am being very inactive. I just need to stop being lazy and making up excuses. I apologize. For the sake of the town, I don't feel like lynching me would give you guys much information. Deku, Ryu, and Doc will probably be the safest lynches in my opinion.

Karu - Pretty much a neutral read for me. Nothing really stands out to me in their posts and I have never really played with them to know how they play. Pretty unsure about them.

Deku - I don't like the way Deku is playing. He has so much pressure on him since the start of the day and I know he said he was busy this week but there's still nothing from him. No defending himself no giving thoughts on anything. Just nothing from him. This normally would be an impossible read and I would ask them to be more active but with the things people pointed out from day one he does seem a bit on Storm's side. It does seem far-fetched but he is the most likely to be scum in my opinion.

Doc - People have already pointed out how Doc seemed very flip-floppy during day one and how he really hasn't done much to defend himself. Not much new for me to say here. He's my second lynch option.

Funnier - He is playing the exact same way he always does. This usually makes people impossible to read but I always trust him for some reason. Probably will lead to my downfall some day but I am going with Town on him. I like the way he has been posting and how active he is being like usual.

ALIT - Same with funnier. I like the way he is posting and how active he's being. He was late on the Storm wagon but his reasoning on his vote seemed pretty legit (Probably because I had the same reasoning as he did with realizing role cop was a mafia role). I am going town lean on him though. Not full town read since he's a very experienced and clever player.

Minish - Hard to read. On the borderline of active and inactive. I like the way they are posting though and like the effort they put in their thoughts and analysis. Nothing stands out to me from them. I am gonna go town lean on this one.

Yiga - His interactions with Storm pretty much solidified him as a town read for most people. He's playing pretty smart this game though. I am going to go with everyone else here and say he's Town but I am still gonna let my paranoia get the best of me and keep an eye on him. He may be getting outside help and his interactions with Storm may have been planned like Mez and Zachie in Anime mafia. (This in confusing I am saying he's obviously town but I am paranoid by nature and think we should keep an eye on him just in case. People turning up as an obvious town read is rare unless they are actually scum.

Evan - Pretty noob mafia play. Normally I would say just lynch him but his death won't really get us anywhere.

Vergo - Replacing Tristian who never posted so idk

Ryu - I like how active he is. I just really don't like the way he is posting. Something just seems really off with the way he's posting. Gut feeling but something tells me he's scum. I have nothing to base that off of so my vote has to go to someone else.

Vote: Deku

Until he defends himself or says anything in general I think hes the most likely to flip scum