Timeline Discussion

[Mikey the Moblin]

Isnt ganondorf sealed in the dark world/sacred realm typically?

 

[Uwu_Oocoo2]

Isnt ganondorf sealed in the dark world/sacred realm typically?

I believe he was in the DT, because the sages didn't have anywhere else to send him. He ruled there for a bit, got kicked out in lttp, and then... yeah. I think "sealed" doesn't mean in any place in particular, just sealed. It tis what it tis.

 

[Chevywolf30]

I believe he was in the DT, because the sages didn't have anywhere else to send him. He ruled there for a bit, got kicked out in lttp, and then... yeah. I think "sealed" doesn't mean in any place in particular, just sealed. It tis what it tis.

So what's the difference between the sacred realm and Twilight realm?

 

[Mikey the Moblin]

So what's the difference between the sacred realm and Twilight realm?

The sacred realm is a sort of pocket dimension I guess where the triforce physically exists. The twilight realm is just... dumpsterland idk rofl

 

[Uwu_Oocoo2]

So what's the difference between the sacred realm and Twilight realm?

One is Sacred and one is in Twilight. Duh.

 

[Chevywolf30]

So am I wrong for thinking the cutscene in TP is the sages sealing Ganon in the Twilight realm?

 

[Mikey the Moblin]

So am I wrong for thinking the cutscene in TP is the sages sealing Ganon in the Twilight realm?

No, after all they attempted to seal him in the twilight mirror
But twilight princess isnt on the downfall timeline, whereas albw is
I guess I didnt technically make that distinction in my post but I was referring to downfall

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

He was sealed in some "void of the evil realm" in Ocarina of Time. The Twilight Realm is it's own thing and isn't tied to the Sacred Realm.

In ALBW he could just be sealed in some new random place I guess.

 

[Mikey the Moblin]

The event specifically depicted in that cutscene might not be referring to the events of ocarina of time, I'm not sure

 

[Uwu_Oocoo2]

No, after all they attempted to seal him in the twilight mirror
But twilight princess isnt on the downfall timeline, whereas albw is
I guess I didnt technically make that distinction in my post but I was referring to downfall

Ganondorf was weakened, and sealed in the the Twilight Realm for a little bit. I want to do more more research on the Twilight Realm itself, but the general idea here with downfall he was in the sacred realm, TP he was in the Sacred Realm, every other time he was somewhere else. They kinda just stick him wherever is convenient

 

[Spiritual Mask Salesman]

The event specifically depicted in that cutscene might not be referring to the events of ocarina of time, I'm not sure

In ALBW, definitely not, I was just answering Chevy's question.

 

[darklordoftech]

This is also something I don't like about the Downfall Timeline. Like, why did you need Link to do the battle at the end? It would have led to the same result. Ganon "wins" or he "loses," but either way he is sealed by the sages. It's the same result whether he vanishes or not and so ALttP and Wind Waker are responses to Ganon unsealing himself (in the canon timeline).

Actually, if you look at the Japanese version of OOT, you’ll see that Ganondorf isn’t sealed in the Sacred Realm at the end, but rather is sealed “beyond the realm of the dead”. The American version changed the dialogue to have Ganondorf sealed in the Sacred Realm. If you look at the Japanese text of each game, you’ll see that ALTTP is the only game to reference Ganon getting sealed in the Sacred Realm, meaning that it’s only in the Downfall Timeline that Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm.

Source: http://forums.legendsalliance.com/topic/17108-list-of-japanese-translations/

When do you all think the Downfall Timeline was decided on by Nintendo?

I ask not only because of the OoT-ALttP connection, but also because of the village names in Adventure of Link. It was reconfirmed in 2008 that the towns are named in honour of the OoT sages in universe, which was well after the split timeline was fleshed out quite a bit, and yet before the official chronology was revealed.

This doesn't work on the Adult Timeline because Ganon and Hyrule were annihilated in the ending of The Wind Waker, nor does it work on the Child Timeline since the sages never awakened there.

In order for this connection to work, it would require a branch where the later part of OoT still happened, only without the Great Flood. That's why I feel the Downfall Timeline may have existed then.

Aounuma confirmed the existence of a timeline in 2004, so I’m sure the Downfall split has existed for at least that long. It’s possible that the Downfall split already existed when OOT was released. That they considered not including pig Ganon at all in OOT (and that Miyamoto would have been ok with that), that Ganondorf is sealed “beyond the realm of the dead” in the Japanese version of OOT, and that the “Hylian” race isn’t nearly wiped out at the end of OOT like they were in the backstory of ALTTP all point to OOT having a happier ending than the backstory of ALTTP did.

So what's the difference between the sacred realm and Twilight realm?

Sacred Realm = where the Triforce is in the beginning of Ocarina of Time.

Twilight Realm = where the ancestors of the Twili were banished to after unsuccessfully trying to get into the Sacred Realm.

 

[Darth Kenobi]

I think the time line is correct

 

[Moblinking5000]

I think the time line is correct

Yep.

We just have to wait for Nintendo to reveal that Breath of the Wild is at the end of the Downfall Timeline where it belongs, and we're golden!

 

[darklordoftech]

Timeline deniers often think Hyrule Historia was written to appease the fans, but in reality it was the fans who didn’t want there be a timeline and it was the creators who always followed a timeline.