I am used to theorize about Zelda at ZU, but, today, I decided to start going to other Zelda communities too.
But before I start discussing the timeline and other zelda theories with you ZD veterans, I think I should first post my timeline here.
...../-TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-LttP/LA-LoZ/AoL
OoT
.....\MM-TP
Considering the few timeline theories I saw in this forum already, I assume that, at first, this timeline probably sounds impossible. Mainly because most people consider TMC to be the first game in the timeline. And, at least here, you guys believe that the 2D games come in the Young Timeline. So i better explain things first.
At ZU, the most common timelines include the following:
...../-TWW/PH-FS/FSA-LttP/LA
OoT
.....\MM-TP
There are many debates on TMC, LoZ/AoL and OoX placements, but that part seems to be a consensus there. The main reason for that is a quote by the Deku Tree in TWW, in which he (it?) states that trees have the power to bring more land to the surfice, thus creating more landmass. As I see it, this is evidence that the land can grow after TWW/PH. One of the main reasons why people place the 2D games in the YT is that, as Hyrule is shown as a vast land in them, they can't come after TWW. That quote from TWW seems to be why this statement is not true. I posted a geography thread at ZU that, hopefully, I am going to copy here too, with all possible comparisons. But the main idea to why the AT should go like TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-LttP-LoZ/AoL, having that quote from the Deku Tree into consideration, is that the land should be growing after TWW.
If we take a look at FSA map (the last paragraph was becoming too big ), we will notice that it is pretty much identical to LttP map (except for a few details), but there is one major difference: in FSA, Hyrule is on an island and, in LttP, it is a landlocked nation. This is what makes me believe that FSA-LttP is an arch that should follow TWW. It is a perfect match to the quote from TWW.
Another interesting thing to point out is the connection between LttP and the FS subseries. I believe it is common sense that the Adult part of OoT was supposed to be the Imprisoning War mentioned in LttP backstory. But, since TWW, it is not clear when exactly Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm after the game. IMO, that was solved when FS and FSA came out. In the end of FSA, Ganon is sealed into the Four Sword, which seems not to match LttP backstory, when Ganon is sealed in the DW. But, in the GBA version of LttP (the one that came together with FS), you can notice that the Four Sword is actually located in a dungeon in the DW. And it is broken! This is what led us to assume that Ganon was sealed into the 4S in FSA and then, the 4S was sent to the SR for LttP.
Now, with this said, I believe I have explained why it should go TWW/PH---FS/FSA-LttP and TMC---FS/FSA-LttP. Now, there is a reason why I believe TMC is not the first game in the timeline. Basically, in the Palace of Winds (from TMC, of course), you can notice the world below the dungeon.
This pic shows it:
So, considering the PoW is supposed to be over Hyrule in the game, we believe that the island seen from there is actually Hyrule. This would put TMC in-between TWW and FSA. By those lines, we'd have Hyrule as a bunch of small islands in TWW; as one larger island in TMC; as a small continent in FSA; and as a lanlocked country in LttP. So, by this line, the land would be growing, as the Deku Tree predicted.
Now we are at
OoT-TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-LttP/LA
I believe that LA position is pretty much obvious, considering the manual claims for it to be a LttP sequel.
Now, to explain the position of OoX, I have to use the assumption that, as FSA shows the first time when the trident was used by Ganon, all games in which he has the trident should come after it (notice that ganon does not have the trident in OoT, TWW or TP). Considering Ganon has to be dead prior to OoX, I believe that it should go after LttP (the only time we see Ganon dead so far).
For the LoZ/AoL segment, i have to go back to geography. In ZU, there are two placements to that arch being discussed. Some people believe it should go between TWW and TMC. Others (like me) believe it should go after LttP. The reason for that is that, if we are still going by the 'land getting bigger' quote from TWW, AoL can't possibly come before TMC. The AoL map shows Hyrule as a large, bicontinental empire, composed of many towns. In TMC, we see Hyrule as a tiny island with only one human settlement.
Also, you will notice that the state of the triforce works in my timeline pretty nicely. It is fully recovered after LttP, it is shown in the castle in OoX and is there for the AoL and LoZ backstories (the king hiding the ToC, Ganon stealing the ToP and Zelda spliting the ToW).
This is it I think. Any questions or criticism would be appreciated
Thank you for reading...
But before I start discussing the timeline and other zelda theories with you ZD veterans, I think I should first post my timeline here.
...../-TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-LttP/LA-LoZ/AoL
OoT
.....\MM-TP
Considering the few timeline theories I saw in this forum already, I assume that, at first, this timeline probably sounds impossible. Mainly because most people consider TMC to be the first game in the timeline. And, at least here, you guys believe that the 2D games come in the Young Timeline. So i better explain things first.
At ZU, the most common timelines include the following:
...../-TWW/PH-FS/FSA-LttP/LA
OoT
.....\MM-TP
There are many debates on TMC, LoZ/AoL and OoX placements, but that part seems to be a consensus there. The main reason for that is a quote by the Deku Tree in TWW, in which he (it?) states that trees have the power to bring more land to the surfice, thus creating more landmass. As I see it, this is evidence that the land can grow after TWW/PH. One of the main reasons why people place the 2D games in the YT is that, as Hyrule is shown as a vast land in them, they can't come after TWW. That quote from TWW seems to be why this statement is not true. I posted a geography thread at ZU that, hopefully, I am going to copy here too, with all possible comparisons. But the main idea to why the AT should go like TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-LttP-LoZ/AoL, having that quote from the Deku Tree into consideration, is that the land should be growing after TWW.
If we take a look at FSA map (the last paragraph was becoming too big ), we will notice that it is pretty much identical to LttP map (except for a few details), but there is one major difference: in FSA, Hyrule is on an island and, in LttP, it is a landlocked nation. This is what makes me believe that FSA-LttP is an arch that should follow TWW. It is a perfect match to the quote from TWW.
Another interesting thing to point out is the connection between LttP and the FS subseries. I believe it is common sense that the Adult part of OoT was supposed to be the Imprisoning War mentioned in LttP backstory. But, since TWW, it is not clear when exactly Ganon was sealed in the Sacred Realm after the game. IMO, that was solved when FS and FSA came out. In the end of FSA, Ganon is sealed into the Four Sword, which seems not to match LttP backstory, when Ganon is sealed in the DW. But, in the GBA version of LttP (the one that came together with FS), you can notice that the Four Sword is actually located in a dungeon in the DW. And it is broken! This is what led us to assume that Ganon was sealed into the 4S in FSA and then, the 4S was sent to the SR for LttP.
Now, with this said, I believe I have explained why it should go TWW/PH---FS/FSA-LttP and TMC---FS/FSA-LttP. Now, there is a reason why I believe TMC is not the first game in the timeline. Basically, in the Palace of Winds (from TMC, of course), you can notice the world below the dungeon.
This pic shows it:
So, considering the PoW is supposed to be over Hyrule in the game, we believe that the island seen from there is actually Hyrule. This would put TMC in-between TWW and FSA. By those lines, we'd have Hyrule as a bunch of small islands in TWW; as one larger island in TMC; as a small continent in FSA; and as a lanlocked country in LttP. So, by this line, the land would be growing, as the Deku Tree predicted.
Now we are at
OoT-TWW/PH-TMC-FS/FSA-LttP/LA
I believe that LA position is pretty much obvious, considering the manual claims for it to be a LttP sequel.
Now, to explain the position of OoX, I have to use the assumption that, as FSA shows the first time when the trident was used by Ganon, all games in which he has the trident should come after it (notice that ganon does not have the trident in OoT, TWW or TP). Considering Ganon has to be dead prior to OoX, I believe that it should go after LttP (the only time we see Ganon dead so far).
For the LoZ/AoL segment, i have to go back to geography. In ZU, there are two placements to that arch being discussed. Some people believe it should go between TWW and TMC. Others (like me) believe it should go after LttP. The reason for that is that, if we are still going by the 'land getting bigger' quote from TWW, AoL can't possibly come before TMC. The AoL map shows Hyrule as a large, bicontinental empire, composed of many towns. In TMC, we see Hyrule as a tiny island with only one human settlement.
Also, you will notice that the state of the triforce works in my timeline pretty nicely. It is fully recovered after LttP, it is shown in the castle in OoX and is there for the AoL and LoZ backstories (the king hiding the ToC, Ganon stealing the ToP and Zelda spliting the ToW).
This is it I think. Any questions or criticism would be appreciated
Thank you for reading...