Alita the Pun
Dmitri
Ok so all the roles are in the game. Cool. Wow storm, I like the color coding. I didn't know that mafia could be so organized.
Game Thread Sword Art Online: Ordinal Scale Mafia
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Mellow Ezlo
Spoony Bard
Mido posted this particular game's setup in the OP. It's mostly a vanilla game, with only two real power roles at play.
tbh, you should be keeping an eye on everybody. On the contrary, I think newbies being prone to slips is more of a reason to keep a close eye on them rather than just leave them alone. That's a dangerous mindset to have in this game. Also, Minish isn't really new anymore as she's played several games on this site already and has proven herself to be a good player.
You're reaching. You're reading too far into a "connection" that began in the signup thread before roles were even distributed.
DekuNut
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@Zachie Blade What do you say we work together in this game to push forward the idea that sloths and cows are great assets for this community?
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Well, time to play I guess.
First major event to mention is Zachie's claim. I agree with the others, it's way too early to claim, especially with how much first day votes can change, but I find it townie. He's new, so he wouldn't know the previous statement. If he were scum, his scumbuds wouldn't have suggested a roleclaim, and I doubt he would've come up with a fakeclaim this early on his own, let alone the safest claim there is. I find it to be a newbtown move, but a town move all the same.
Tristan, I wouldn't worry too much about Storm not saying much a bout Libk, Pen, and myself yet. It's just like back in Ye Olden Dayes when he wouldn't even try to read me because he knew me so much more than everyone else and had a bias. It's very similar here, since they're bros, so he wants to wait a little longer before putting us into a category.
But I do find his focus on the joke alliance between Zachie and Tristan weird. He focuses a lot on what is obviously a joke. That's something I'd expect out of a new player, but not Storm. He's played multiple rounds. He knows how this game works.
As for Storm's last post: Technically, with 9 people and 9 roles, there's 81 possible random setups, of which 7 would lead to at least one being scum, which is closer to 8.6%. Even taking out the chances of Zachie being a town PR, that only brings it up to... ugh, I haven't taken statistics since high school... 11% I think? Besides, that's going completely based on chance if you lynch right now. They both have the same chance of being scum as, say, you.
First major event to mention is Zachie's claim. I agree with the others, it's way too early to claim, especially with how much first day votes can change, but I find it townie. He's new, so he wouldn't know the previous statement. If he were scum, his scumbuds wouldn't have suggested a roleclaim, and I doubt he would've come up with a fakeclaim this early on his own, let alone the safest claim there is. I find it to be a newbtown move, but a town move all the same.
Tristan, I wouldn't worry too much about Storm not saying much a bout Libk, Pen, and myself yet. It's just like back in Ye Olden Dayes when he wouldn't even try to read me because he knew me so much more than everyone else and had a bias. It's very similar here, since they're bros, so he wants to wait a little longer before putting us into a category.
But I do find his focus on the joke alliance between Zachie and Tristan weird. He focuses a lot on what is obviously a joke. That's something I'd expect out of a new player, but not Storm. He's played multiple rounds. He knows how this game works.
As for Storm's last post: Technically, with 9 people and 9 roles, there's 81 possible random setups, of which 7 would lead to at least one being scum, which is closer to 8.6%. Even taking out the chances of Zachie being a town PR, that only brings it up to... ugh, I haven't taken statistics since high school... 11% I think? Besides, that's going completely based on chance if you lynch right now. They both have the same chance of being scum as, say, you.
Alita the Pun
Dmitri
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Vote: Zachie
I am actually siding with Storm on this. Zachie and Mezlo corresponding here seems like the most suspicious duo so far. But would they really risk being caught if they were the mafia? Or maybe one of them is the tracker or something? I'm not sure, it's too soon to tell. If they are mafia, it's a very risky plan, if they are villagers, it's pointless to do so unless one of them had a suspicion about another. This is why I would assume one of them is the tracker. (I'm not 100% sure what the tracker does though but I'm guessing it's like the detective?) as I said, it's too early to tell so I'm just going with whoever is acting suspicious.
Annnd I just read deku's post and I feel like a newb now xD
Vote: Zachie
I am actually siding with Storm on this. Zachie and Mezlo corresponding here seems like the most suspicious duo so far. But would they really risk being caught if they were the mafia? Or maybe one of them is the tracker or something? I'm not sure, it's too soon to tell. If they are mafia, it's a very risky plan, if they are villagers, it's pointless to do so unless one of them had a suspicion about another. This is why I would assume one of them is the tracker. (I'm not 100% sure what the tracker does though but I'm guessing it's like the detective?) as I said, it's too early to tell so I'm just going with whoever is acting suspicious.
Annnd I just read deku's post and I feel like a newb now xD
DekuNut
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Dom:
The tracker is able to follow one person every night and find out if they targeted anyone, and if so who. We haven't had a night yet, so they haven't used their power. Even if they had, they have no way for sure of knowing what role or alignment someone has.
And just in case you're wondering as well, a Jailkeeper is both a doctor and a roleblocker. Their target is protected from kills, but also can't perform their role.
The tracker is able to follow one person every night and find out if they targeted anyone, and if so who. We haven't had a night yet, so they haven't used their power. Even if they had, they have no way for sure of knowing what role or alignment someone has.
And just in case you're wondering as well, a Jailkeeper is both a doctor and a roleblocker. Their target is protected from kills, but also can't perform their role.
Alita the Pun
Dmitri
Ok thanks Dek, I'm still learning the ropes here 
DekuNut
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N00b 
DekuNut
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The actual percentage doesn't matter. The point is lynching them based on a 22% chance makes no sense, since with that logic everyone has a 22% chance.
Mellow Ezlo
Spoony Bard
Pointless statistics (and statistics in general) in mafia games are rarely helpful and more often than not are just annoying. Being suspicious of someone for having the exact same likelihood as any other player in the game goes beyond that. If that's not flawed reasoning, I don't even know what is.
Storm, is your vote still on Zachie because you're genuinely suspicious of him? If so, then why? If it's still because of something that was very obviously a joke that started before roles were even sent out, then you're reaching way further than you need to, which is suspicious in and of itself. Domo did the same thing, and while it's flawed, in his case it's coming from a newbie (though it's still something to keep in mind for later), whereas you have more than a year's worth of games behind you. Surely, you see the flaws in your logic?
With this being said, I doubt both Storm and Domo would be scumbuds. So if one of them are scum, the other probably is not.
Storm, is your vote still on Zachie because you're genuinely suspicious of him? If so, then why? If it's still because of something that was very obviously a joke that started before roles were even sent out, then you're reaching way further than you need to, which is suspicious in and of itself. Domo did the same thing, and while it's flawed, in his case it's coming from a newbie (though it's still something to keep in mind for later), whereas you have more than a year's worth of games behind you. Surely, you see the flaws in your logic?
With this being said, I doubt both Storm and Domo would be scumbuds. So if one of them are scum, the other probably is not.
Mellow Ezlo
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They could, of course, both be town though.
So where do I look now? Well, tbh, Storm's actions in this game are the only ones I would truly consider scummy, but I see it as no more than Storm being himself; ergo, it's not exactly alignment indicative. Now while Zachie, as a VT (supposedly), is expendable, I'm not generally a fan of lynching newbies Day 1 unless they're genuinely suspicious. Considering the very high probability that today's lynchee will be either a Mafia Goon or a simple Vanilla Townie, I would almost consider going for an RVS lynch today, unless someone else does something scummy enough to warrant a lynch. I know how this may sound, but I'm sure everyone here knows my thoughts on No Lynches, and I've expressed my dislike for lynching new players during the first day several times in the past. I'd like to hear everybody else's input first, though.
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