Jarsh said:
You keep saying he doesn't "need" to be reincarnated. I'm saying that's an unfounded opinion. I can just as easily say he does "need" to since it's a neverending cycle.
I think what he's trying to say is that the information we have been given in the games doesn't necessitate that there
has to be a different Ganondorf on the CT. Even if his defeat in TP is ambiguous, the ambiguity is surely intended. What Nintendo's intent was was likely to create an ending that would allow them to decide in a future game whether or not Ganondorf would be reincarnated, or if he had survived. This fits in line with Aonuma's statements claiming that he doesn't like to confirm story elements prematurely, in that Aonuma has probably not decided or worked out a reason for the origins of other appearances of Ganon(dorf). By means of ambiguous defeat, TP sets up in such a manner that either a death or merely a defeat is entirely plausible, and this does not limit the Zelda team creatively when making another Zelda game.
Jarsh said:
JuicieJ said:
Again, reincarnated to stop Ganondorf when he returns. If he was dead, there would be no need for him to be reincarnated. Being reincarnated to stop the threat makes sense. Being reincarnated to be the threat does not.
Why? The goddesses are not allied with either side since Ganondorf was allowed to be born in OoT in the first place. This logic doesn't make any sense.
I agree with Jarsh on this; the role of the Goddesses is to maintain balance, particularly surrounding the Triforce. The balance is restored when the Triforce is split by having three individuals, each with a piece, alive at the same time; take TP as an example. At the end of OoT, Ganondorf is still alive on the child timeline, with no Triforce piece, when the Hero of Time retains his Triforce piece. This imbalance causes the Triforce to redistribute itself via "divine prank" (note the reference to divinity), giving Ganondorf the ToP and, presumably, Zelda the ToW, although her possession of it is irrelevant at this point. But, with Ganondorf still alive with the ToP inside the Twilight Realm once both the Hero of Time (on the CT) and CT Zelda are deceased, new incarnations of Zelda and Link are born to be bearers of the Triforce to restore balance. Jarsh has reason to assume that the same logic would apply if TP Ganondorf were to die, but again, the death is ambiguous, so the notion of another Ganondorf is not entirely a necessity. However, your argument has merit if we are to learn that TP Ganondorf does, in fact, die (and stay dead).
On the other hand, if TP Ganondorf does not die, then that poses a problem. If he loses his Triforce piece, that causes an imbalance, which means that either a new Ganondorf must be born or Zelda and TP Link both lose their Triforce pieces and the Triforce reunites. The reunion of the Triforce is fitting if ALttP or FSA comes after TP on a timeline, as the Triforce is united in both of those games. If you watch the ending of TP carefully, neither Zelda nor Link is shown with a Triforce symbol on their hand or even an outline of one.
Jarsh said:
And you're not getting what I'm saying as well. They clearly do show disdain for him ever since he was a child, as one Gerudo points out the evil in him (as a backstory for why he forsook the village) ever since he was a child. Ganondorf being bad wasn't a recent development for the Gerudo in FSA. It's not that I think you're saying that, it's that the game itself says that. They already didn't like him, after his grab for power in OoT, which disregarded the Gerudo, why have him as a guardian/leader once again?
I don't understand your last sentence, because the Gerudo do not have Ganondorf as their leader in FSA, because he betrays them and steals the Trident, does he not? That would mean that he no longer cares for the task of being a Gerudo leader, and that he only desires power.