I'd ask that people refrain from the apathetic posts that don't do anything to contribute to this discussion. Djinn I think has brought this up a lot in various chats, and I think I reflect his view that a lot of the real issues are a result of people feeling the need to post their sarcasm or apathetic remarks. If you don't care, or you can't talk about the idea constructively, then don't post. All you are doing is creating a negative feeling and making people not want to come to the thread. I'm sorry if anyone feels directly targeted by this when they believe they didn't do what I'm describing. If you don't believe you posted in the way I described, then please disregard this post; it wasn't meant for you.