Baysiderulez you seem to be acting more crazy this game than the last game which makes me think something is up.
Fos: Baysiderulez
I'm actually not... I go nuts around day 3-4 which results in my death every mafia game... if anything is really abnormal its the Kokiron and Zelda_8 cheating movement that has led me to get a thorn in my side... There is nothing I despise more then cheating. It ruins the game for everyone. Just how much damage they have done, I am unsure. But needless to say I am pissed that was even an issue with them. I wish I could show you my back and forth with Kokiron... In fact I have his words that he revealed his role to other players in the game, and for sure one other player revealed their role to him, are there any others, I am not sure, if there is, I will find out, there's no doubt about it.
[which goes further to why I suspected he was scum. He is a scummy person in real life and it radiated on to me during this game]
You're way too quick to vote zack just because he(like most of us) has a real life. Are you serious? That is just ridiculous. You jump to conclusions way too much. And if I remember correctly, you had a high suspicion of Kokirion who was a townie.
And then later, zack explained himself fine, and you said something like "until you defend yourself my vote remains" or something like that. When in fact, he had just defended himself. You're just way too dangerous to be a townie. Not to mention how much you mention how we have an experienced Mafia.
Actually he ignored my meaning behind "you flew under the radar" even after I expressed to him how exactly i meant it when he mis-interpreted it the first time.
Once again, I am going to encourage you to actually READ my post... Which is why I havent bothered to defend that portion. its already there in plain day. He went unnoticed because it was subtle not because of anything having to do with his life outside the forums. In fact it didnt even become clear he had a connection with MK9 until MK9 was nightkilled... Last night. So this "why didnt you point it out at the time" was mainly because I didnt yet have the evidence I needed. This whole argument is ridiculous because I stated it once already, and now for lack of not having anything better to do I am repeating myself, when I should be spending time on Durion's post, which actually holds substance and raises issues I have not yet rebutted.
But you know what, if such an answer I gave was so obvious to you, why did you ask that I'm flying under the radar?
Hey buddy... if you actually read... I responded to that post.
Alright now... I suspected you on day one, but I stayed quiet because well it wasn't obvious you were trying to rat out MK9. You planted a seed very subtlely. I'm egging on that you would have hoped someone would pick on it and he would have been lynched gaining you the towns trust. The very same tactic MK9 used against Atsuma. Unfortuneatly we aren't exactly dealing with a proactive town, so your little plan did not succeed. And you grazed on by not being suspicious at all till the death of MK9, revealing he was scum.
I find that suspicious, and you seem to think that its ridiculous that I would even think that.
Oh, did I say that? I did, I did say that...
Seriously. If she thinks that warrants a vote, then I guess I'll do that to her.
Vote: BSR
Even if you're a townie, you're just way too much trouble.
Yeah if motive could be spelled out... Kill one of my own make it look like I am innocent and valuable to have around... Isn't a good cause for being mafia then I dunno what is. But yeah... I had absolutely NO BASIS for making an argument of Zack125... Its not suspicious at all that
seemed to know MK9 was scum.
But once again let me explain my rational for the 3rd time in this post, responding to the accusation of me not responding to your accusations yet again...
I'm beginning to think you are just looking for a reason to Lynch me without reading as well... He flew under the radar because he didn't act suspicious during day two... Had MK9 not died till day 4 then he prolly would have slid through my filter STILL. When MK9 I went back to day 1 and looked for all names associated with him... Funny enough the two names that popped up were Zack125 and DracoMajora, both who are currently on my case. Why are they on my case, because I have lit a fire under one of their bellies.
- I am going now to go read through Durion's post and find my in game quotes and adequately defend myself. Please actually read this post with an open mind. That's all I ask of you.
Baysiderulez you seem to be acting more crazy this game than the last game which makes me think something is up.
Fos: Baysiderulez
I'm actually not... I go nuts around day 3-4 which results in my death every mafia game... if anything is really abnormal its the Kokiron and Zelda_8 cheating movement that has led me to get a thorn in my side... There is nothing I despise more then cheating. It ruins the game for everyone. Just how much damage they have done, I am unsure. But needless to say I am pissed that was even an issue with them. I wish I could show you my back and forth with Kokiron... In fact I have his words that he revealed his role to other players in the game, and for sure one other player revealed their role to him, are there any others, I am not sure, if there is, I will find out, there's no doubt about it.
[which goes further to why I suspected he was scum. He is a scummy person in real life and it radiated on to me during this game]
You're way too quick to vote zack just because he(like most of us) has a real life. Are you serious? That is just ridiculous. You jump to conclusions way too much. And if I remember correctly, you had a high suspicion of Kokirion who was a townie.
And then later, zack explained himself fine, and you said something like "until you defend yourself my vote remains" or something like that. When in fact, he had just defended himself. You're just way too dangerous to be a townie. Not to mention how much you mention how we have an experienced Mafia.
Actually he ignored my meaning behind "you flew under the radar" even after I expressed to him how exactly i meant it when he mis-interpreted it the first time.
Once again, I am going to encourage you to actually READ my post... Which is why I havent bothered to defend that portion. its already there in plain day. He went unnoticed because it was subtle not because of anything having to do with his life outside the forums. In fact it didnt even become clear he had a connection with MK9 until MK9 was nightkilled... Last night. So this "why didnt you point it out at the time" was mainly because I didnt yet have the evidence I needed. This whole argument is ridiculous because I stated it once already, and now for lack of not having anything better to do I am repeating myself, when I should be spending time on Durion's post, which actually holds substance and raises issues I have not yet rebutted.
But you know what, if such an answer I gave was so obvious to you, why did you ask that I'm flying under the radar?
Hey buddy... if you actually read... I responded to that post.
Alright now... I suspected you on day one, but I stayed quiet because well it wasn't obvious you were trying to rat out MK9. You planted a seed very subtlely. I'm egging on that you would have hoped someone would pick on it and he would have been lynched gaining you the towns trust. The very same tactic MK9 used against Atsuma. Unfortuneatly we aren't exactly dealing with a proactive town, so your little plan did not succeed. And you grazed on by not being suspicious at all till the death of MK9, revealing he was scum.
I find that suspicious, and you seem to think that its ridiculous that I would even think that.
Oh, did I say that? I did, I did say that...
Seriously. If she thinks that warrants a vote, then I guess I'll do that to her.
Vote: BSR
Even if you're a townie, you're just way too much trouble.
Yeah if motive could be spelled out... Kill one of my own make it look like I am innocent and valuable to have around... Isn't a good cause for being mafia then I dunno what is. But yeah... I had absolutely NO BASIS for making an argument of Zack125... Its not suspicious at all that
seemed to know MK9 was scum.
But once again let me explain my rational for the 3rd time in this post, responding to the accusation of me not responding to your accusations yet again...
I'm beginning to think you are just looking for a reason to Lynch me without reading as well... He flew under the radar because he didn't act suspicious during day two... Had MK9 not died till day 4 then he prolly would have slid through my filter STILL. When MK9 I went back to day 1 and looked for all names associated with him... Funny enough the two names that popped up were Zack125 and DracoMajora, both who are currently on my case. Why are they on my case, because I have lit a fire under one of their bellies.
- I am going now to go read through Durion's post and find my in game quotes and adequately defend myself. Please actually read this post with an open mind. That's all I ask of you.
So EBWODP I've finished compiling my rebuttal to Durion, much to my surprise before anyone else has gotten to respond. So sorry if it auto merges and you are stuck reading one big *** huge post.
I just thought to point something out. It may just end up being insignificant, but a lot of scum walked free last game because people overlooked seemingly insignificant things.
Zack125 has posted quite a lot in this game so far, but the majority of them are really short, and a lot of them are really simple questions or statements without any sort of real meat behind them. Compare that to his play tactic last game, where though he still mostly had short posts, there was a lot more thinking evident, and plenty has happened that warrants thinking about. I sometimes feel like people who drop by only to make short, not-thought-out posts are just trying to lay low while not staying so inactive as to gain attention for it.
Just some food for thought.
And Look I wasn't even the first person to take note of Zack's behavior
So before, I said that I was going to make an analysis of Jo. I may not be the best at getting my point across, but you'll have to bare with me whilst I try to.
Anyway, I still stand by the fact that in this game, Jo has made a lot of posts, infact, she is the most active in the game as it stands, with 10th of the posts under her name (My evidence for this being
here). I'd like to start by pointing out that Jo used activity at an in earlier point in the game to try and get her point across about Kokirion trying to stir up confusion...
Yes it it true I am the most active. Although it wasnt until 2 'solar' days ago. And if you look mr. Zack is catching up to me quite quickly. (since you've made this posts, hes gone from being 10+ posts behind me to 7 posts behind me.) so if you wanted to apply this to argument you'd have to take a look at both parties.
I will note though that that stratagy of looking at posts is most effective early in the game, when players are establishing their habits. While it could also be reflected on later on in the game, its not as vital as to determining who is scum and who isn't.
This is coming from Jo, a woman that has played Mafia many times more than most people on here have. She has real life qualifications that give her the edge in knowing what a persons actions mean, and I'd like to point out that we believe the Godfather is an intelligent member, a description that Jo fits perfectly. Her abilities in this game are unmatched by few in this round (some of which are already dead). To prove how smart she is, I'd like you all to recall the second round of Mafia. Jo was the only player to suspect Master Kokiri (flipped Mafia), who completely fooled the rest of us (including myself). That proves how good a player she actually is. The only reason Din Akera was suspicious of Master Kokiri is because Jo was, she even stated so herself. Therefore, I find it extremely suspicious that Jo stated earlier on in the thread that the most active is usually Mafia. I don't see why she'd lie and pull this up unless she really wanted to lynch someone, so if she did lie, then that's also the trait of a Mafia. Either way, as you can see, I find Jo's actions her extremely suspicious.
I take this entire analysis as a compliment. Its true I have been in quite a few psych classes and communication classes, as well as participating in behavior modification techniques at work that have allowed me to notice even the most subtle tendencies in people. Being most active? Haha thats always been a tendency of me in prior games, as well, as much as you are learning my techniques of how to read people... I think you might have missed checking out other tendencies. Or really if you looked now at the mafia 2 thread, it wouldn't be accurate in comparison because there were like what 3-5 days after I died that other people still posted. However I will say during my time alive I was always in the top 5 posters in the mafia game.
My next few reason for finding Jo suspicious are all connected to her swapping her accusations (by which I mean she uses something like a FoS or an IGMEOY). I know that doing so isn’t as bad as swapping your votes around, but it still is usually linked with the same reasons for doing so. Generally, when I use IGMEOY or FoS someone, I have real reasoning behind doing so, and don’t tend to change my mind a lot, unless they post a strong enough defence to make me change my mind.
However, Jo has been throwing her accusations in several different directions, and from as far as I can see, for no apparent reason. Last round , she only did so when she knew she was in a situation where she was going to die, she only seemed to do so to mock us for killing her, as she knew Master Kokiri was Mafia, whilst no one else did due to the fact he lynched a fellow Mafia so early on in the game (Atsuma). In this game, she really doesn’t have any apparent reason to be mocking us, and she isn’t doing it in a mocking way either. She’s lost all composition that she had in the last round, and I find this action strange from someone such as Jo. Sure, she’s always up for getting discussion rolling as many of you are pointing out, but she’s going about it in a very suspicious manner, and on top of that, in a different fashion than usual. She’s accusing people for reasons that stand on weak or no evidence, or is just accusing people for what appears to be the hell of it. Here are a few examples...
If I remember correctly the only people I have FoS'd were Kokiron (x3) Axle (x1) Zack125, and yourself. In fact my only vote this entire game thus far was on Kokiron both days. (except on day one I retracted my vote and went with no Lynch)
She starts by subtlely suggesting that Hero of Time is Mafia, before becoming suspicious of me, and giving a IGMEOY against my name.
This is the first time that she states her accusations, before changed her mind and started looking looking at other members such as myself and Hero of Time...it doesn't really have any strong evidence behind it either, in my opinion. She also seems to be pushing extremely hard about trying to get zack into a position in which he is more likely to be lynched, and I find this suspicious.
Nothing subtle about it, I said there's a chance he might be. but I am unsure. With the way he, Zack, and Link is present (or whatever his name is) I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or all of them were working together. However I do not see HoT as a threat at the moment which is why I have not built a case against him.
I don't really see why she is doing all of this. It only seems like Jo is trying to confuse us all by doing this in my eyes. It's a completely different style of play than what Jo used last game, and certain of it. As I said before, Jo taught me that you can find out who are Mafia and who aren't by the way they play, if there style changes for no reason, then they are scum.
Finally, from the way that the Mafia have been opperating, I have seen several people stating that the Godfather is clearly someone that is very good at Mafia and intelligent. Jo fits this description perfectly. With some of the things I have mentioned above and the fact that Jo has previously stated and been proud of the fact that she has roughly a 50% success rate, I am certain that she is Mafia. I'm very sorry if you are not Mafia...but as it stands, I'm 100% certain she is. If she does put up a good defence, I will retract this accusation.
Once again I am flattered you compliment me so nicely. Few people consider me intelligent, but yes I am very much proud of my high scum success rate. I do not feel that my playing strategy has changed aside from the fact that yesterday i was very pissed with a few of our deceased players, who had been cheating in game and out. And I may have taken that out partially on Zack.
If you wish to eliminate me this round, go ahead. I have said all I think I can on the matter.