Whew, lots of stuff to comment on. I quoted things as I was reading through, so if my thoughts are a little all over the place, or I address something that has been discussed already just...deal with it I guess.
all three members of the yiga wagon were on it before the storm wagon built. I would expected more bandwagonning in response to the storm wagon forming under normal circumstances, so anyone on the wagon (rubik, minish, ryu) is equally suspicious in that regard and I'd support a lynch on any of them.
Saying you'd support a lynch on any of the three just because they were on Yiga's wagon is weird. And not just because I'm one of the people you listed. First of all, we don't even know Yiga's (now funnier's) alignment. All we know is that Storma flipped scum, so true we weren't on the scum wagon, but there's still a possibility that Yiga/funnier is scum as well. I'm not sure how likely that is now, but finding us suspicious just because we were on the next highest wagon that wasn't the flipped scum isn't very sound. You can't just take wagons into consideration either. Rubik and myself have both been townread by a lot of other players in the game, so it's odd to say that we're equally as suspicious as Ryu.
Bok Chan Sama- Town. The only thing I have on them is more a hunch about their initial suicide suggestion. They've posted comprehensive reads, though it's interesting they've left me out of it, saying everything about me has already been said.
I find it kinda funny that you keep mentioning Bok leaving you out of his reads list when you left me out of yours (though I did see you later realized that) and karu as well who you noticed seemingly right after. If it's interesting that Bok left you out, it's interesting that you left me out. Especially as I've been one of the people who have been suspicious of you for a while.
Kay I read this pretty closely and might’ve missed it but you forget how hesitant Ryu was to change votes toward the end “because I’ve already changed votes too many times” which really rings weird to me in and of itself but now knowing both Yigas and storms alignments I feel like it was flat out trying to save storma. I can see Ryu holding out and hoping someone will change off storma or onto Yiga where someone else would’ve given up and gone for the bus. I’m all right with a Ryu lynch rn but I’m gonna refrain from voting while I think of a counter wagon.
This is a very good point. It does sound like an excuse to not have to bus a scumbud.
Personally, I would find switching from wanting a no lynch to wanting a lynch more suspicious if the person joined or started a wagon for no reason whatsoever.
But you did exactly that. You joined the Rubik wagon for no reason. Funnier just wanted to get a wagon started, and you were easily persuaded not only from changing from no lynch, but also to voting for Rubik. Because at the time there was literally no reason to find him suspicious and funnier just chose someone at random to start a wagon on.
I already said that was why you were third on my suspect list here. I KNOW my reasoning against you was weak, and I acknowledge that. I'm not gonna try to use that to lynch you since not only would people disagree with my thoughts, they would find me scummy.
Also,
@Bok Chan Sama remind me when you made your post about my suspicions of you? I'm having trouble finding it, but to answer anyway, my overall suspicions of you can be summarized as "just a hunch," like I said in my reads list. My reasoning against you isn't that strong, after all, so I won't be advocating for a lynch unless something more suspicious happens.
I don't have anything close to solid against you that would put you as either scum or neutral. The suicide offer and me trying to interpret the motive behind it was more speculation on my part.
These three posts are odd to me as well. You seem to be hedging on Bok, but you put him in your town reads? If you found him third most suspicious day 1, and are saying that the only reason you're not pushing for his lynch now is because your reasoning is weak and people would disagree with you, then how does that land him in your town reads? If you find him suspicious, even if you're not convinced he's scum, you would at least have him under neutral/scum lean. It kinda feels like you don't want to scum read him because everyone else is town reading him and you don't want to stand out any more/look suspicious. How are we supposed to trust your reads list if you have someone you've been suspicious of under town, just because others wouldn't agree with you?
2. Vote for Yiga. Remember that this scenario is assuming Yiga is town. So gets lynched instead of Storma. What happens if Storma gets lynched the next day. Doc, who already had some suspicion on him would look worse since his vote potentially saved scum and got a townie lynched.
I could see that reasoning in a normal game. However, with this game it would buy scum a little more time because of the dreamscapes. If Yiga is lynched day 1, then Storma day 2, then Storma is still alive in the real world, and Doc is in a different dreamscape. So we'd have to then lynch Storma another time, and lynch Doc at some point if we can, and still have another mafia member to take care of.
Honestly this may sound crazy but since we hit scum day one and the only way I know of actually killing scum is to kill them in the real world it might be a better option for everyone to just kill themselves and to play the game in the real world. I assume the mafia is able to send people to limbo by night killing them. Sending them back one level would pretty much just confirm that person as town and wouldn't really help the mafia at all. They would be left hunting dreamers, trying to get everyone back while town just climbed levels and got closer to DS3. Feels like it would just be one giant stalemate. Also splitting up the players means potentially having one group of players that is all town which would only hurt our chances of winning since there's no chance of hitting scum in that group. I know we can win by reaching DS3 but it feels like mafia benefits from everyone being in the dream world more than town does, especially since we can only actually lynch people by being in the real world. Also if the dreamer comes out and claims dreamer for that day and no one counter claims then it's basically a cop check since only town can be the dreamer. We don't have to do this today since we can wait and see if the NK actually sends us to limbo but I want everyone's thoughts on whether it's worth it and why this may or may not be a terrible idea.
I don't think
everyone should suicide. I think it would be better to have townies spaced out a bit. I know reaching dreamscape 3 is pretty hard to achieve, but I don't think we should completely discount that route. Plus we can only lynch people on the same dreamscapes. So if scum decided to not suicide, then they would be on a different dreamscape and could potentially keep out maneuvering us to buy some time while they killed us off. And maybe there are roles/abilities that could benefit from being on different levels.
I didn't say Ayano or the Mafia purposefully stayed quiet.
I said here that the Mafia were probably trying to figure out the rules and their roles in the private discussions. It could be that some of the members (like Storma) were too preoccupied with their daily life to read-through the main thread and make posts, but that's just speculation. I understand now why you say my reasoning is flimsy.
We don't even know for sure if mafia has daychat. They could only be allow to talk at night. But I find it a little unlikely that they spent all their time in scum chat trying to figure out the rules/roles in private when they could benefit from discussing those things in thread. As townies could help clarify things for them, as well as give them a little more info they may not be privy to themselves.
Is Chemist a common role or something? I've honestly got no idea what the role does/did.
Just going to reiterate Bok here and say that it could be likely that they were a Poisoner/some version of Poisoner. And trust him, he would know about poisoners. Or, more specifically, about being poisoned.
@Bok: If we all commit suicide (and scum doesn't) we won't be able to lynch scum anymore and we'll lose the game, as far as I can tell.
I don't think that we would automatically lose from that, just that we would have to get people back on their level to lynch them before they could take us all out. Which would be a little difficult and one of the reasons why I don't think everyone should commit suicide.
I don't like how the wagons look right now.
Why is that? One of them is you (which yeah I can get why you wouldn't like that but there's reasoning behind it), and the other two are inactives - one of which you're voting for. Plus they're all tied, which isn't a bad place to be at the moment. So why are you not liking wagons that you're a part of, and of which you've expressed interest in lynching (inactives)?
