This first, non rvs vote of his is after I asked about a possible no lynch and Minish responded favorably. Feels like he saw an opportunity to push for a no lynch since it was being talked about and decided to go for it. It goes without saying a no-lynch typically favors mafia day one since no info is revealed but since we were discussing it at the time I don't think this is the greatest scum tell.
You're viewing this as if I haven't said I always advocate for a No Lynch D1. I don't take "opportunities," I always go after what seems the most suspicious to me, and D1 scumhunting isn't something I'm comfortable with. You can see that in the previous games I've played,
especially in Chaos Mafia.
Jumped on Rubiks wagon right away simply because funnier asked him to even though he said he was hesitant to. Felt like an easy excuse to jump on a wagon. And this was only a few posts after he voted for a no lynch.
I stated a few times that I agreed with funnier6's points about lynching someone while one is in the real world versus a dream,
especially after he elaborated further. I was hesitant because I'm not used to scumhunting D1, which you can see in past games I've played in like Chaos Mafia.
Just quoting this mostly to reinforce how easily he was willing to switch from wanted a no lynch to wanting a lynch.
Personally, I would find switching from wanting a no lynch to wanting a lynch more suspicious if the person joined or started a wagon for no reason whatsoever. The quote you selected is where I reinforce my reasons for agreeing with funnier6, and I don't think I would say I switched over "easily" considering I was hesitant to join him in the first place.
If your policy is typically a no lynch on day one I don't understand why entering the dreamscape on day 2 is suddenly a reason to want one. Maybe you can explain this more but we would gain the same amount whether we lynched or didn't lynch compared to a normal mafia game.
These are the points I was referring too when I said that:
You know relying on night actions simply isn’t going to get us anywhere as even if somebody does get good info we won’t have anything to talk about unless they reveal it and then mafia will know too and I just don’t like that course of action.
In the IRC games I used to play before, many people were comfortable revealing night info because it not only solidified their alignment, it helped Town figure out whether or not it would be a good idea to Lynch or No Lynch. D1 usually ends with a No Lynch in my games. Obviously, those games weren't as serious or slow-paced as these forum games because no one here thinks or plays like that. The meta here seems to be that giving Mafia even the slightest edge is a disadvantage to Town whether that be No Lynching D1 or revealing night info the following days.
Really I think sticking to what we know is best, going deeper into the dream relying on powers we don’t understand to do stuff we probably won’t understand to tell us stuff we might not understand instead of using the good old fashioned way I feel will leave us like fish out of water and not do things ourselves during the day phases.
I mention some of this in my Inception rule analysis, but considering the nature and theme of this game and based on the Inception rules, there are possibly roles or modifiers created exclusively for this game that give both Town and Mafia certain perks. Otherwise, it would be pretty stacked against Mafia due to Town's extra win condition of reaching Dreamscape 3- AKA Day 4. Since no one wants to reveal roles and powers unless absolutely necessary, we have to rely on deductions and interpretations based on prior knowledge from previous games. No game I've ever played before has had special rules or conditions like this, so therefore, it seemed necessary to me to change my approach and take it more seriously. That is why I thought we should try lynching someone D1, and why I agreed with funnier6's points.
Once again, he jumps on another growing wagon and his reasoning that Yiga was being "manipulative" by saying what he thinks is a common scum strategy doesn't make much sense to me.
I guess it was bad wording that confused you, so lemme clarify.
I don't like when someone assumes every player knows what scum tactic another player just used because we don't all come from the same Mafia background (especially me). It gives them less of an obligation to explain further than they "need to," making their posts intentionally vague. In my eyes, this makes them scummy, more so when their assumption or explanation is flawed.
His opinion on day one was that he didn't want to go after inactive players but he immediately voted for Ayano after I did.
Objection.
After Storma flipped scum, I was planning on voting Keiko to pressure them to talk because they were inactive like Storma was. You beat me to the punch since you made your vote literally
3 minutes after the announcement was made. Also, "immediately" isn't really an accurate adjective to use considering I made my vote
43 minutes after your vote post. I was on the verge of falling asleep, too, but that's besides the point.
His reasoning is that since Storma was scum he believes the entire mafia team decided to lay low. So based on one inactive person flipping scum he has decided to vote for the other most inactive person based on the idea that since one inactive person was scum, the other scum must be inactive to. First of all I think this reasoning is extremely flimsy but it looks worse to me after saying on say one that he didn't want to go after inactive people. This, like every other vote he has cast outside of rvs feels opportunistic by jumping on a building wagon. Also doing it this early, like he did with Rubiks wagon could be a way to try to fly under the radar.
The theory I made was mostly to get people to talk and to apply more pressure on Ayano Keiko, but I'd like to hear why you think my reasoning for it is flimsy since you just repeated what I said and didn't explain why. And l like I said before, I don't take opportunities, I follow my own suspicions and use my own judgement. If I wanted to fly under the radar, I would have waited until more discussion brewed before hastily "joining" a wagon.
This reasoning feels like it's either reaching or incredibly weak. How would nominating someone to commit suicide stop them from role claiming? I said we would lynch them anyways if they didn't agree to it so basically we would go about the day the same as always but let someone kill themselves before they get lynched. That wouldn't stop them from role claiming. Obviously, I realized that committing suicide would have the same effect as lynching them so I corrected myself a minute later. It's the fact that you acknowledged that I acknowledged that it was redundant but still pointed out that you think it's scummy is what makes this feel especially like reaching.
I already said that was why you were third on my suspect list here. I KNOW my reasoning against you was weak, and I acknowledge that. I'm not gonna try to use that to lynch you since not only would people disagree with my thoughts, they would find me scummy.
Also
@Ryuken I don't think you responded to what I had to say about your suspicions of me so I'd like you to do so when you have the time.
I'll get to that in a bit.
Just feel like quoting this. If Ryuken does happen to flip scum, I may look more into doc since I'm already iffy about him.
I understand why you are, but personally, I don't think Mafia would want to risk a coin flip between Yiga and Stormageden. He was the vote who tied the wagons, after all.
While he wouldn't know anyone's roles if he was town, this just feels like something scum would typically say.
Do you think I would be that stupid to say this out loud if I was scum? Maybe if I was surprised by a sudden development as scum, I would voice my thoughts and feelings in the private chat with them, not out here.
The reason why I said that was because I typically avoid inactives due to my experience of them being Townies most of the time. I did not expect the first scum we hit this game on D1 to be a person who only posted once.
TL;DR- I do not take "opportunistic" votes, so that interpretation of me is wrong. D1 scumhunting is not my strong suit or even a comfortable suit. My playstyle has changed from my IRC Mafia style to better suit forum Mafia.
Also,
@Bok Chan Sama remind me when you made your post about my suspicions of you? I'm having trouble finding it, but to answer anyway, my overall suspicions of you can be summarized as "just a hunch," like I said in my reads list. My reasoning against you isn't that strong, after all, so I won't be advocating for a lynch unless something more suspicious happens.
I guess the bus angle is the most appealing to me right now and Doc makes the most sense to vote for since he looks the best based on yesterday.
Vote: Doc
Since people are giving voice to the possibility of bussing, lemme ask you this: Do you think the Mafia would risk a coin toss between two wagons that would determine the fate of their own Chemist? It was already starting to look like neither Yiga or Storma would role claim, so they could have avoided that situation by voting Yiga (if he's Town, that is.)
Now that funnier6 is back, the nonexistant rivalry between me and him can continue.
Why on earth does that make you suspicious of Ayano?
Because like Storma, he only made one post and was quiet for the other 99%