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Three words why TP is better than WW:
Bomb Freaking Arrows!
Best item. No doubt about. Explosions for days.
Bomb Freaking Arrows!
Best item. No doubt about. Explosions for days.
Bomb arrows were cool, but they weren't even introduced in TP. Link's Awakening gets no cred for introducing them to the series.Three words why TP is better than WW:
Bomb Freaking Arrows!
Best item. No doubt about. Explosions for days.
I see your point, but it was almost as if Twilight Princess' ending was "everything went back to normal!!!! yay!!!!"
Wind Waker's ending seemed more tragic to me, with Hyrule being ultimately drowned and Daphnes dying. He even reached out to Link-- possibly in a moment of belief that he could go to a new Hyrule with them-- only to let Link go because he knew that the new Hyrule they would found would be their Hyrule, not his.
Bomb arrows were cool, but they weren't even introduced in TP. Link's Awakening gets no cred for introducing them to the series.
Like it was said earlier, Midna leaving was still bitter sweet because you don't get to have her anymore, instead you have to stick with your side ho Zelda. No but Midna leaving did suck to me, even though she had to. I liked that ending more because you save both Hyrule and the Twilight people instead of just Hyrule. And I will say this with absolutely no shame whatsoever, Midna looked hot, Daphnes did not. Who was really worth saving?Not saying this as an insult to you, but you said you liked the darker, grittier storylines, right? Why would you prefer a happy ending where everything ends up fine and everyone makes it out alive, over the bitter sweet ending where the hero wasn't victorious in saving everyone from Ganondorf's wrath?
Not to mention Ganondorf's motives are almost sympathetic in the way he only wanted to obtain rulership of Hyrule so he could save his people from the scorching heats of the desert, while Ganondorf in Twilight Princess was just there because... Uh... He's Ganondorf?
I respectfully disagree with the notion that bomb > elemental arrows.I never said Twilight Princess did it first. Besides, we're only talking about two games.
Even though Awakening has bomb arrows, Twilight Princess uses them better. I also like it more than the fire and ice arrows.
Yes, partners leaving are always bittersweet, but the only one that has literally died (unless you count Fi's "eternal sleep") would be Daphnes, left below with Ganondorf and the Kingdom of Hyrule. This could even be considered symbolic, because, in his desperation to save Hyrule, he saw himself as being no better than Ganondorf. It's only fitting that both of them would meet their demise in the kingdom they sought after. It really broke the traditions of Zelda that not every game would have an ending where everybody would come out unscathed (I guess LA technically did that first? However we have no idea if they were even hurt when the dream ended) and the protagonists had to come to a sort of compromise instead of having everything go back to normal; they needed to find a new Hyrule to inhabit.Like it was said earlier, Midna leaving was still bitter sweet because you don't get to have her anymore, instead you have to stick with your side ho Zelda. No but Midna leaving did suck to me, even though she had to. I liked that ending more because you save both Hyrule and the Twilight people instead of just Hyrule. And I will say this with absolutely no shame whatsoever, Midna looked hot, Daphnes did not. Who was really worth saving?![]()
Ganondorf has always been a horrible man, but I think in Wind Waker he has more realistic and more justified reasons. Sure, the Gerudo don't follow him out of the desert, but is it possibly because Ganondorf was the only one that had a problem with living in the desert? It's entirely possible the Gerudo just stayed in the desert out of tradition, and Ganondorf ruled Hyrule while passing orders to Nabooru to give to the Gerudo. About Ganondorf killing women and children; he was literally a warlord in Ocarina of Time. He needed to get the fact that he had power (and lots of it) across somehow. This is why he tried to murder the entirety of the Gorons by feeding them to Volvagia as a sign of what would happen if anybody in Hyrule disobeyed him. Nabooru acknowledges that what he did was evil because it was evil, but he did it to raise him to a better place and to possibly raise his people to a better place, but, like I mentioned, it seemed they never wanted to leave, either out of tradition or just because they enjoyed where they stayed. This can be shown in FSA, where, even though the Gerudo are a peaceful race and could possibly return to Hyrule, they still remain in the desert.This is something some people have attributed to him yet it is not founded in evidence. Not by what he said, nor by his actions. He has always been pure evil without any noble intentions. Killing and stealing from women and children. In Wind Waker he is fully aware what side he is on telling link he can't strike him down without the power to repel 'evil'.
Ganondorf never mentioned a desire to save his people. Not once. He said about how the desert life was harsh and lamented that he was jealous he had to live there when the Hylians had a better land. However we know his people could rot for all he cared as shown In Ocarina of Time when he actually left them behind in the scorching desert after obtaining the triforce, which proves he never intended to help them. He just wanted Hyrule for himself.
So, only he hates the desert, and his people don't? How is he helping his people then? It seems like he's only helping himselfI respectfully disagree with the notion that bomb > elemental arrows.
Yes, partners leaving are always bittersweet, but the only one that has literally died (unless you count Fi's "eternal sleep") would be Daphnes, left below with Ganondorf and the Kingdom of Hyrule. This could even be considered symbolic, because, in his desperation to save Hyrule, he saw himself as being no better than Ganondorf. It's only fitting that both of them would meet their demise in the kingdom they sought after. It really broke the traditions of Zelda that not every game would have an ending where everybody would come out unscathed (I guess LA technically did that first? However we have no idea if they were even hurt when the dream ended) and the protagonists had to come to a sort of compromise instead of having everything go back to normal; they needed to find a new Hyrule to inhabit.
Ganondorf has always been a horrible man, but I think in Wind Waker he has more realistic and more justified reasons. Sure, the Gerudo don't follow him out of the desert, but is it possibly because Ganondorf was the only one that had a problem with living in the desert? It's entirely possible the Gerudo just stayed in the desert out of tradition, and Ganondorf ruled Hyrule while passing orders to Nabooru to give to the Gerudo. About Ganondorf killing women and children; he was literally a warlord in Ocarina of Time. He needed to get the fact that he had power (and lots of it) across somehow. This is why he tried to murder the entirety of the Gorons by feeding them to Volvagia as a sign of what would happen if anybody in Hyrule disobeyed him. Nabooru acknowledges that what he did was evil because it was evil, but he did it to raise him to a better place and to possibly raise his people to a better place, but, like I mentioned, it seemed they never wanted to leave, either out of tradition or just because they enjoyed where they stayed. This can be shown in FSA, where, even though the Gerudo are a peaceful race and could possibly return to Hyrule, they still remain in the desert.
Misguided intentions, most likely. The Gerudo still praise him as a great King and leader, it's only Nabooru that believes he's a horrible leader.So, only he hates the desert, and his people don't? How is he helping his people then? It seems like he's only helping himself
Well, I can't really have sympathy for an evil guy doing evil things with misguided intentions.Misguided intentions, most likely. The Gerudo still praise him as a great King and leader, it's only Nabooru that believes he's a horrible leader.
That's fine. He still has more realistic and natural portrayal than he did in Twilight Princess, you have to at least admit that.Well, I can't really have sympathy for an evil guy doing evil things with misguided intentions.
No, in either game he's an unnaturally and unrealistically evil dude. In TP he's just more powerful (cooler) in what he does. Also, I don't think Ganon planned on helping his people. He told Link that his country sucks, but never says that he wants to save it. He might've just been, for lack of better words, trying to look tough. And when Ganon touches the triforce he says "Give Hyrule to me!" He's still the same selfish douche he was before. If he only wanted to help his people he'd say something along the lines of "Hey uh stop screwing my people over thanks"That's fine. He still has more realistic and natural portrayal than he did in Twilight Princess, you have to at least admit that.
In Twilight Princess, it would have been a lot nicer if he had a motive... He literally had no purpose, like Vaat in Four Swords Adventures. He was just doing it because he could, which makes for a ****ty villain.No, in either game he's an unnaturally and unrealistically evil dude. In TP he's just more powerful (cooler) in what he does. Also, I don't think Ganon planned on helping his people. He told Link that his country sucks, but never says that he wants to save it. He might've just been, for lack of better words, trying to look tough. And when Ganon touches the triforce he says "Give Hyrule to me!" He's still the same selfish douche he was before. If he only wanted to help his people he'd say something along the lines of "Hey uh stop screwing my people over thanks"
In TP he was executed for being a douche, and to him he was randomly brought back by the godesses and they gave him a part of their power, all randomly. He felt entitled to do whatever he wanted, and he thought the godesses their selves were pushing him on. He's completely opposite from WW Ganon who was more strategical while TP Ganon was a beast, quite literally. I felt that TP Ganon wrecked hell for fun, and I can appreciate that. I will say though that TP could've done a better job of building Ganon up. To quote a good article I read up on,"In Twilight Princess, it would have been a lot nicer if he had a motive... He literally had no purpose, like Vaat in Four Swords Adventures. He was just doing it because he could, which makes for a ****ty villain.