Skyward Sword Mafia

[SavageWizzrobe]

I definitely have my suspicions about Thar. Voting for DekuNut, and then unvoting? Granted, Heroine of Time did the same thing.

I agree with Rep; Johnny's appeal to emotion and attempt to change the bandwagon direction on Day 1 is a red flag for me.

 

[Johnny Sooshi]

Voted for Thar, trying to change the wagon. And then says it's weird that people are using a few jokes to lynch one player. Firstly, not only was I right about Deku being scum, my appeal to sympathy reasoning I think was spot on; I think, Johnny, you would actually usually agree with my reasoning, which makes me a but confused here. But more than that, he also protected Deku here by saying "I wouldn't want to be bagged cause of that".

Johnny, to me, is an extremely likely scum candidate.

Vote: Johnny Sooshi

I'll concede you were correct about Deku. But I don't see how me saying people bagging someone who was joking around is scummy is itself scummy. It was a sympathy appeal that he made sure, but Thar jumping off as soon as others start jumping on does seem kinda suspect.

Knew this would come about after I saw Deku's post-death results.

If I were Mafia, then I wouldn't risk jumping on board in a bandwagon against one of my scumbuds, knowing full well that he'd be bound to die down the road. Or if he didn't die, then he'd most likely be the first to get investigated by the Cop. It's the infamous pincer-formation tactic.

The Night scene was translucent in showing what happened: Justa targeted his killer, Deadfuse or Scallywagbeard-whatever, from the scorpion boss in the Lanayru Mining Facility-thingabob and--as stated--was ironically slain by the former. But one important detail sticks out, asserting the killer's role... He has a sword.

Johnny doesn't have a sword, so he's free.

What makes you say I don't have a sword? Are you hinting at being some sort of flavor cop?

 

[Jamie]

Interesting turn of events. Well I was gonna hop on board the lunch wagon with Rep, but this new news from Thar is certainly interesting. Not sure if I trust him though, but I'd like to see what other people have to say.

I think that the guy with the sword (robo dude) is scum or serial killer, so it could be the serial killer, while the scorpion is scum. But even if it /is/ scum, there are likely at least three scum left, so jon boy not having a sword doesn't exempt him from anything.

 

[Jamie]

I'll concede you were correct about Deku. But I don't see how me saying people bagging someone who was joking around is scummy is itself scummy. It was a sympathy appeal that he made sure, but Thar jumping off as soon as others start jumping on does seem kinda suspect.

Because that wasn't my reasoning, you made my reasoning less than what it was to protect Deku.

 

[Frozen Chosen]

The Night scene was translucent in showing what happened: Justa targeted his killer, Deadfuse or Scallywagbeard-whatever, from the scorpion boss in the Lanayru Mining Facility-thingabob and--as stated--was ironically slain by the former. But one important detail sticks out, asserting the killer's role... He has a sword.

Johnny doesn't have a sword, so he's free.

After you said this, Johnny asked if you had a flavor reader role which to me means that either both or neither of you are Mafia. Both is an option because you could both be trying to make the other look innocent and neither is an option because Crus@der77x could actually be a flavor reader who wants to protect Johnny who is a town member.

Also, it looks like that whoever has angelic like abilities saved Scum or a suicide killer. They may know who that person is.

 

[Jamie]

After you said this, Johnny asked if you had a flavor reader role which to me means that either both or neither of you are Mafia. Both is an option because you could both be trying to make the other look innocent and neither is an option because Crus@der77x could actually be a flavor reader who wants to protect Johnny who is a town member.

Also, it looks like that whoever has angelic like abilities saved Scum or a suicide killer. They may know who that person is.

It was JC who saved them. And no, as I said, johnny not having a sword does not exempt him from being scum, there is more than 1 scum, and he could easily be the scorpion who might be scum.

 

[Johnny Sooshi]

I hope this isn't a softclaim because it's day 1.

@DekuNut I'm finding this quote

Of course, what you guys don't realize is that I'm secretly Beedle with Gaepora's brow riding the King of Red Lions!
I am so totally gonna get RVSed today...

and

Okay, I'm done joking around. Please don't lynch me

as a really weird appeal to sympathy. I've seen it work several times, people go Q_Q this person doesn't wanna be lynched! and unvote. And I get it, being RVS'd day 1 sucks. Happened to me a time or two before. But the excessive joking (to seem light hearted) and appeal to sympathy makes me feel like you don't want to get lynched for more than just "it sucks". My guess is you're an important townie PR or scum. Right now, I'm gonna go with the latter.

Vote: DekuNut

Pretty sure this was your reasoning on Deku.

Also

Why are you suddenly jumping off the bandwagon, Thar? So you don't look suspicious when Deku turns up town?

FoS: Thar

I'm with Jonny on this, the leaping was really weird and it seems like a desperate attempt to not look scummy if/when Deku turns up town. I'm going to keep my vote on Deku, because I'd like to see @Crus@der77x's response.

You're criticizing me for voting for Thar when you're the one who immediately points out Thar unvoting and pull off ridiculous move like FoS. Your comments accusing DekuNut of being scum and then saying "if/when he turns up town" seem contradictory.

 

[Frozen Chosen]

Okay thanks for pointing that out for me about JC. I didn't read it very well.

I see your point about the sword but if Crus@der used that flavor ability he would know the name of the character right? I'm not too positive about a flavor reader role but from what I understand the ability lets you know the name and role of a person. From that one can deduce if they are Mafia or not. What I'm saying is that Crus@der either tried to prove the innocence of someone he believes to be town or convince us that Johnny is not scum when he actually is. The absence of a sword does not make him scum or innocent, but support from Crus@der can be telling.

 

[Jamie]

Yes, @Johnny Sooshi, that was my reasoning. His appeal to sympathy, and the joking that was to pretend he didn't care about the lynch and seem light hearted, both of which I've seen scum do under many occasions when they are pressured, are huge tells for me.

What's wrong with FoS? I was suspicious of him, but not enough to vote. Your vote of Thar to me seemed like an attempt to shift the wagon, and you waited till I said something about Thar so you could maybe pull me on the wagon with you.

Yes, if/when. Did you miss the if part? On day 1, it's incredibly difficult to be certain that someone is scum.

 

[Jamie]

Okay thanks for pointing that out for me about JC. I didn't read it very well.

I see your point about the sword but if Crus@der used that flavor ability he would know the name of the character right? I'm not too positive about a flavor reader role but from what I understand the ability lets you know the name and role of a person. From that one can deduce if they are Mafia or not. What I'm saying is that Crus@der either tried to prove the innocence of someone he believes to be town or convince us that Johnny is not scum when he actually is. The absence of a sword does not make him scum or innocent, but support from Crus@der can be telling.

No. Flavour gives a piece of information about the player's role. There is no way to determine alignment purely from flavour, it's vague, a much weaker version of role cop.

 

[Frozen Chosen]

No. Flavour gives a piece of information about the player's role. There is no way to determine alignment purely from flavour, it's vague, a much weaker version of role cop.

Okay, I see. But could it be possible that Crus@der has a cop role instead? I know I'm just giving possibilities, but I think they are both alligned whether town or scum.

 

[Jamie]

Okay, I see. But could it be possible that Crus@der has a cop role instead? I know I'm just giving possibilities, but I think they are both alligned whether town or scum.

No, cop would only say alignment and would say nothing about the sword.

 

[Frozen Chosen]

No, cop would only say alignment and would say nothing about the sword.

Cool beans. I still think they are aligned in someway whether good or bad.

 

[Johnny Sooshi]

Yes, @Johnny Sooshi, that was my reasoning. His appeal to sympathy, and the joking that was to pretend he didn't care about the lynch and seem light hearted, both of which I've seen scum do under many occasions when they are pressured, are huge tells for me.

I've seen it before too, but I've seen town do this as well, and I know you have too.

What's wrong with FoS? I was suspicious of him, but not enough to vote. Your vote of Thar to me seemed like an attempt to shift the wagon, and you waited till I said something about Thar so you could maybe pull me on the wagon with you.

I'm personally not a fan of FoSing because it's always seemed like an empty threat to me. As far waiting, I wasn't really. I voted because I thought it was legitimately a scummy move on his part. Also, me trying to drag you down? You agreed with me immediately after my post placing my vote. You even stated you'd wait for his response but when he replied, you didn't.

Yes, if/when. Did you miss the if part? On day 1, it's incredibly difficult to be certain that someone is scum.

And yet you were. I understand you said "if" but you also gunned for his lynch. I'm not saying it's bad to lynch scum by any means, but I think you're throwing around what you can, trying to latch onto anything that you can use to implement other players, which is a very scummy tactic. The only thing that's throwing me off is that you clearly aren't scum, which leaves only 3rd party roles. Tbh, I'm feeling like there's a possibility that you're the SK.

 

[Batman]

So, my amateur two cents:


Johnny’s behavior does have me wondering. He was quick to try to change the trend of the bandwagon when it looked like Deku was in trouble and it seems weird to me that he’d make excuses for Deku, lamenting that he was being hounded for baseless reasons when that’s just evidently exactly how day 1s are supposed to go anyway. It sucks that someone has to be lynched day 1, but the consensus seems to be that it’s in the town’s interest to get a lynch hunt going day 1, no matter how baseless the reasons behind it are, to help provide us information on day 2. Being a veteran Mafia player it looks like he’d know that. Then again, him being a veteran mafia player makes me think he wouldn’t make such a stupid mistake on day 1. But if your scum buddy’s about to die I imagine even veteran players slip up from time to time.


However, Thar’s behavior still has me suspicious for jumping off and also trying to save Deku when day 1s need a “deku” to happen. I can easily see Johnny trying to divert the bandwagon with a Thar accusation with Thar also being scum (perhaps Thar’s scum role is less valuable than Deku’s was). And of course he’d have no issue doing it if Thar’s town. But it’s weird to see Thar, after being accused by Johnny, come to Johnny’s aid in day 2 by claiming that he can assure us Johnny doesn’t have a sword…I don’t know guys, but it smells like some kind of scum buddy fishery to me.


Then again, Thar could just legit have not wanted to be part of Deku’s lynch for emotional reasons and he could be truthfully telling us that Johnny doesn’t have a sword and therefore wasn’t whatever anti-town party that killed Justa last night, and of course Johnny could have been swayed by sympathy too it comes to his defending Deku. It’s hard to say at this point. I’m with Rep though in that assuming Thar is town and Johnny not being the killer last night, that doesn’t in any way clear Johnny from being scum. It just means that he wasn’t whatever party that killed Justa.


Basically, I’m just suspicious of Thar and Johnny. But I’m not willing to vote yet.