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Sacred Grove used to be Hyrule Castle Town

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It was never meant to be in castle town but I'm guessing if a move did happen, they probably did it because they realised that having the master sword and the key to unlocking a whole mess of crap and trouble in such an obvious place was a bad idea and so learned their lesson.
 
I actually believe that the location of the Sealed Temple in Skyward Sword proves that the Temple of Time was always meant to be in the Faron region. According to Hyrule Historia the Goddess Statue was destroyed at some point due to wars, it's likely that the Sealed Temple was also destroyed forcing the Master Sword and the Triforce to be relocated. It's possible that the Temple of Time in OoT was just a temporary place to put the Master Sword and the Triforce. The area of the map were the Temple of Time is located in Twilight Princess is exactly were the Sealed Temple should have been also, this indicates that the Sealed Temple became the Temple of Time.
 
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Well, we do know through many a game intro that countless wars of power have been fought over the search for the golden land and relics. In our history, it's a constant occurrence that holy relics and temples are either pillaged or torn down, or relocated (whether as a means of their protection or their looting as spoils of war). So it's feasible that the Master Sword may have been relocated, even multiple times, throughout the many centuries of Hyrule's history.
 

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It looks similar to the sacred grove where the master sword was resting in ALttP. Not sure if this really means anything, but...
 
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I like geography, but Zelda makes it so un-fun; hate history, but Zelda makes it so much fun. lol

Hmm, if this is true, then it lends to my thoughts that Ocarina of Time's temple placement dun goofed. The forest placement seems to be a common trend here, but OoT seems to befuddle things a bit. There's no way that OoT's faulty placement can be "fixed" in the timeline, either--not even retcon would work, as the entire plot of OoT was dependent upon the temple's Hyrule Castle Town placement. The only solution seems to exist outside of the established canon, and that's the theory that the temple had to have been moved (quite the conundrum).

If I were to entertain any other possibilities, however, I'd say there were two temples during OoT's era--the one in Hyrule Castle Town and an unseen one somewhere off in the forest. Skyward Sword's inclusion of two time gate locations might somehow lend to this theory, insomuch as it connotes that two similar temples can coexist. Moving on, it is possible that the Master Sword had been relocated to the forest location sometime between OoT and Twilight Princess. But that begs the question of where the other Hyrule Castle Town temple was during TP. Well, I surmise that it was either not visible or for some reason demolished (though I find it doubtful given how sacred the location is, so I'd bet on the former) by the time TP rolled around.

However, having such a sacred location be moved so many times, if at all, seems kind of silly--though not unheard of--in so many contexts, therefore I think the MS is what's more likely to have been moved around from temple to temple (location to location), depending on security and other conveniences. I guess another explanation would be that the forest was the last place the Hero of Time left the sword--either the aforesaid 'OoT unseen forest temple of time' or just some random area deep in the woods. A monument or temple might have been built around the sword at some point as well.
 

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I remember having this discussion like three years ago, I think I made a thread on it. My theory was that Hyrule Castle and the Temple of Time were simply too vulnerable. Remember that in the Child Timeline, Hyrule Castle and it's surroundings wasn't destroyed--and after foiling Ganondorf's plans to usurp the Triforce--they probably realised that having the Temple of Time, basically the gateway to the Trifroce, regardless of its protections, accessible was simply too vulnerable. And having it too close to the general population might cause a jealous lust for the Triforce or even rifts between other races - maybe that was the cause of the rather unknown and unexplained Hyrulean Civil War. I guess maybe you could also speculate that war or some other form of catastrophic event toppled the Kingdom.

Point is, the Kingdom obviously moved and you can see this from the obvious geographical and structural differences in the layout of both Castle Towns in Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time. So, somewhere at least, there lays the remains of the old Castle and the Temple and that place is the Sacred Grove. My old theory on this as well was that the entrance to the Sacred Grove was hidden within the Lost Woods. That way you make the Master Sword and the Triforce, effectively, hidden in both site and common knowledge.
 

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I'm pretty sure Twilight Princess's Hyrule is in a radically different location than the Hyrule of most other Zelda games. This is not to say the two don't overlap, though. The spot where you find the Master Sword in Twilight Princess is the same as the one in Alttp *and* OoT, seen from radically different angles. Hyrule has simply moved around them. Travel south far enough from Ordon Ranch, you'd likely find a more familiar Lake Hylia, and possibly the site of Kokiri Village if you are particularly lucky. Or, in another timeline, travel far enough north from the Master Sword and you might come across a gigantic crater where Hyrule Castle originally stood (omg possible spot you fought The Imprisoned in??????? #theoreez). Travel even further, and you'd likely find just more and more forests and meadows all west of Death Mountain. In other words, TP is north of the "usual Hyrule", though for reasons unexplained. Hyrule Castle should still be intact in that timeline, and Ganondorf somewhat easily stopped.

If Link was defeated in OoT, it isn't a stretch to assume war broke out against the Gerudo, and that Zelda resumed her persona as Sheik. Consider both that Kakariko Village was a Sheikah establishment, and that in Alttp, it has moved right between the Master Sword and the desert... ;)
 

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The problem is the sacard grove is too far south from Death Mountain, which the Castle and Temple from Ocarina of Time were notably close to. Nintendo really messes up geography between zelda games, lol.
Yeah that's why the Lost Woods makes perfect sense. Think about it, the Lost Woods in Ocarina of Time connect to places far away defying all geographical logic - Death Mountain, Zora River and even a completely different world (Termina). The woods are obviously enchanted and have magical teleporting properties, which would explain why the remains of the old Temple can be found there.
 
Yeah that's why the Lost Woods makes perfect sense. Think about it, the Lost Woods in Ocarina of Time connect to places far away defying all geographical logic - Death Mountain, Zora River and even a completely different world (Termina). The woods are obviously enchanted and have magical teleporting properties, which would explain why the remains of the old Temple can be found there.
You know what, that does make sense. Lol, it slipped my mind until you jogged my memory. You know I just realized it is kind of odd that the area of the temple is cut off from the regular Faron region as if it's a lone Island that really shouldn't even be there. Also I think I do recall noticing that the particular trees in the area of the ruined temple aren't consistent with a majority of the trees found out in the regular Faron Woods, which indicates that the section of the temple isn't native to that area. In the past I kind of wrote it off, but it actually works to back this particular theory.
 

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You know what, that does make sense. Lol, it slipped my mind until you jogged my memory. You know I just realized it is kind of odd that the area of the temple is cut off from the regular Faron region as if it's a lone Island that really shouldn't even be there. Also I think I do recall noticing that the particular trees in the area of the ruined temple aren't consistent with a majority of the trees found out in the regular Faron Woods, which indicates that the section of the temple isn't native to that area. In the past I kind of wrote it off, but it actually works to back this particular theory.
Yeah I agree. The area has a much more enchanted feel to the rest of the woods.
 
Yeah I agree. The area has a much more enchanted feel to the rest of the woods.
I just put the game in like a few hours ago, the trees in the Sacard Grove seem to be sequoia trees, the trees in the regular Faron areas are Oak, or something similar. The trees that seem to look like they are smaller versions of the trees in the sacard grove are found all around the feild areas, especially in the Lanayru region, close to Hyrule Castle.
 
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According to Hyrule Historia the temple was rebuilt and the Master Sword relocated.

Hyrule Historia page 117: The Temple of Time, home to the Master Sword's pedestal, has rotted away and lies in ruins within the forest.

And to be honest, it seems that the ruins you see are actually the old Hyrule Castle town's remains.

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If you look at the map (I had to mirror it because it was the Wii version) and in-game you'd see what seems the remains of Hyrule Castle Town and the route that went to the front door of the Temple of Time. The ( ) bit seems to be what's left of the fountain that stood in the middle of it.

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At least, it seems that this is what Nintendo intended. There's also castle walls to be seen. So with this information, it seems that a battle took place here and after it was destroyed and deserted, nature took it back and transformed it into a forest. Assumably, this happening is related to Ganondorf's capture. Afterwards, the Castle and Market were relocated.

But yeah so far none of the geography changes from OOT to TP make any sense. It's just that the Hero's Shade doesn't look like he was buried because he's covered in vines, but if he died in the forest he'd become a Stalfos. And since he's not a Stalfos, my bet is that he died right there on the battlefield and the forest took over afterwards. But of course, that is all just speculation.
 
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Hyrule Historia page 117: The Temple of Time, home to the Master Sword's pedestal, has rotted away and lies in ruins within the forest.

And to be honest, it seems that the ruins you see are actually the old Hyrule Castle town's remains.

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If you look at the map (I had to mirror it because it was the Wii version) and in-game you'd see what seems the remains of Hyrule Castle Town and the route that went to the front door of the Temple of Time. The ( ) bit seems to be what's left of the fountain that stood in the middle of it.

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At least, it seems that this is what Nintendo intended. There's also castle walls to be seen. So with this information, it seems that a battle took place here and after it was destroyed and deserted, nature took it back and transformed it into a forest. Assumably, this happening is related to Ganondorf's capture. Afterwards, the Castle and Market were relocated.

But yeah so far none of the geography changes from OOT to TP make any sense. It's just that the Hero's Shade doesn't look like he was buried because he's covered in vines, but if he died in the forest he'd become a Stalfos. And since he's not a Stalfos, my bet is that he died right there on the battlefield and the forest took over afterwards. But of course, that is all just speculation.
They totally messed up the geography. Yeah that notion I got about the Temple being destroyed and rebuilt was wrong, a friend told me he read that in the book.
 

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