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DekuNut

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As a whole, unsurprisingly, Minish looks good. She did her best to help out with bringing down my annoyance boner on Moe. She also had a similar thought process regarding last night's kills as I did, which at least feels like a townie line of investigation. She also provided another line of reasoning deeper regarding her Doc vote than simply "activity", instead using comparative activity. While I don't necessarily agree, that added layer shows she went through with that suspicion for more than just "let's get doc easylynched". So town.

Actually, since she was so involved with some of the earlier parts of my D1 interactions with Moe, rereading her gave me a chance to reread a lot of what transpired from that. In doing so, I've been able to recontextualize some of his statements into the way they were probably meant to be read, which has caused me to read him as townier too.
So, uh... Sorry Moe.
 

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ZinnLav:
Got kinda PO'd at people yesterday about their reactions to her gameplay D1. Feels like a townie outburst of emotion. Also, once more, similar thoughts about the night actions sits well with me.
That said, despite promising more D2, Zinn has provided almost nothing. I'm gonna increase the pressure on that wagon a little bit in order to get some from her.
Vote: ZinnLav
 

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Doc:
Been busy with work and stuff. That's fine. Had jury duty yesterday. Still fine. Real life is important.
But I have noticed that he hasn't provided any mafia readings. Just townie stuff. The one he did have, he admitted as tunneling, and proceeded to TR her.
@Doc whenever you get the time (I'm not gonna push you to answer immediately because of your schedule, but today would be nice), what exactly caused you to move away from scumreading Minish? Also, have you gotten any more scumreads?
 

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lol I'm literally in the process of coming up with a reads list and will have that up shortly. I somewhat explain my thought process there, but to quickly answer your question, Moe's argument about her reaction to the night kills swayed me. I thought his point about how she explained they were both bad night kills for mafia was a good one and it convinced me that she may be town. I don't see the scenario where Minish intentionally targets people she think might be bad night kills for the purpose of saying they were bad night kills. And I believe her intentions given she made a comment about link and fg's mason claim the day before, iirc.
 

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Not touching Tristan really until he gets around to finishing the thread.
That said, it's Wednesday. If we don't hear from him soon, I'm going to start bothering him with votes and things.
I like Rubik's enterance a lot. I doubt scum would come in and immediately jump on trying to lynch a generally townread top poster. Even if I don't agree with his conclusions, the arguments themselves could hardly come from scum in my eyes.
And with that I think I've covered everyone I want to cover.
General, new, updated list:
Conftown: FG
Town: Rubik; Gum

Lean Town: TheFunFan; Moe; Minish
Null: Ryuken; Tristan; Doc
Lean Scum: Zinn; Leetic
Swede: Pendio
 

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Not touching Tristan really until he gets around to finishing the thread.
That said, it's Wednesday. If we don't hear from him soon, I'm going to start bothering him with votes and things.
I like Rubik's enterance a lot. I doubt scum would come in and immediately jump on trying to lynch a generally townread top poster. Even if I don't agree with his conclusions, the arguments themselves could hardly come from scum in my eyes.
And with that I think I've covered everyone I want to cover.
General, new, updated list:
Conftown: FG
Town: Rubik; Gum

Lean Town: TheFunFan; Moe; Minish
Null: Ryuken; Tristan; Doc
Lean Scum: Zinn; Leetic
Swede: Pendio

Why am I the only one not on your list, senpai? :kawaii::kawaii:
 
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LittleGumball Iso

i really struggle with reading gumball (see: bulba) so uh... the strugs is real. for those who've played with her a lot/know her well, run down of meta would be lit. thanks

tbh for zinn that's a lot of contribution on day 1 (i don't mean this in a mean way i just mean that you usually don't have day 1 reads, but now you've already got one. it's character development!)

i'd rather have a gun to my balls tbh

first post with game content. i don't really think this is a read. it's more of an observation. nai

you are thought process
get grammar policed binch :bubsy:

from what i gather (mostly drawing from past experience from times long ago because i think i played with zelda18 before????) zelda18 is timid and goes with the flow of things. i don't think saying "hey i'm about to read game-related thing" as a thought-process thing is scum telling for her, i think she's just trying to be open and honest about what she's doing. that could be towny, could be trying too hard to be town, but i'm leaning toward the former.

serious business deserves serious grammar

i ****ing love mido


quick thots, funnygurl seems weirdly aggressive (i haven't played with her much, i don't remember her being like this day 1 before)
moe is moe idfk how i'm supposed to read this ****
dekunut is aggressive except i like it
minish is minish i'm gonna townread this forever until i don't

the part on zelda18 is nai, and i mean, she was right so ayy go you.
she called me out for being aggressive, also nai. same for deku, townreads minish because she likes playing with minish

this psot is also kinda nai? lg isn't hunting yet though. this is still early game but i really want to see hunting.
is it within her town meta to just kinda watch things go? see this is why i need meta

posts like these are great reasons to put up with moe's bull**** lmfao
sometimes you get "figure it out yourself" but sometimes you get this


also y'all have got to remember that i (and probably most of the other players here) only know you guys by your names on zd. pls. please. please for my sake use the zd names. i am very stupid please use these names i don't know who svaz is i am having a crisis

this is content but not reads, so nai

i'd rather not lynch funnygurl today, i want to see more from her, but also i like her personality lmao she is fun uwu

i might just leave my vote on tristan tbh. right now i don't want to lynch any of the active players (you know how rare they are on zd) and all of his posts have been jokes or talking about IRL stuff

thanks for liking my personality :D other than that, she's scum reading tristan for inactivity, which is... safe. so i'm not a fan of the read. imo tristan is rand%, which means he's more likely town than not.

i think if tristan flips scum, then lg must be town though. idk man this has been a long term bus and it wasn't necessary.

AAAAAA

pretty much what moe said:

I disagree with him on Minish and i don't appreciate the inactivity but he hopped in with some in-depth analysis that you don't often see on ZD Day 1, and i hope that the inactivity does not continue because i want to see more of it. wouldn't lynch today, probable town lean, get some rest tall child

so she's defending minish for meta reasons too... this is where i start getting wary of lg. he has strong town-reads, yet her reasoning for scum-reads is shallow (I'M OFF THE DEEP END, WATCH AS I DIVE IN *gets shot*)

i haven't got much of a reason to hard scumread any of them. right now i'm voting someone that i am not even remotely townreading. for example, both doc and tristan have barely posted, both have mentioned IRL reasons for being busy, but doc has actually posted some reads/opinions and tristan has not. the only thing tristan has really said past RVS that's game-related is coming to my defense for moe's "she hasn't complained about being town" thing.

honestly most people are null or null/town. i know it's lazy but you know my motto i suck day 1 and i still suck day 2. quick glance through the player list i guess the scummiest would be link182? just popped in to post "funnygurl is town" and didn't really do anything to prove it, or hunt anyone.

**** it i'd lynch link182 actually

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Vote: Link 182


funnier made me do work :( is this good enough for you funnier? i know this is another inactive buttttttttttttt you asked


PEOPLE KEEP POSTING JUST BEFORE I POST MY THING AAAAA

so you think she's scum?

boooooo

i think the link182 suspicion is fair, but the tristan and doc ones are once again shallow. she's admitting that she doesn't form serious reads d1, which i'll take if someone corroborates her meta.

because i like his personality

i've posted some, most notable is minish town, other notable is "i can't find any reason to hard scumread any of the current active players"

then how did he come up with that zinn read

then what's the reason

this post is response to people. i think the "then what's the reason" part prompted link182 to claim rip, but ya know ah well. she's still defending minish. it kinda makes you wonder why ya know?

been a while since i've seen masons, weirdass time to claim tho

unvote
vote: tristan


funnier made me do work for nothing, clearly scum (this was sarcasm)

goes back to tristan. it's not on one of the wagons which is... good... since quite a few of us are in agreement that eod was t/t/t? but the reasoning is still... shallow

guys the day has been up for like an hour how is there 4 entire pages to read :( (there's just more every time i finish a page there's just M O R E)


funnier asked me who i actually found suspicious and i skimmed some people who i didn't have a read on, then i figured i'd vote for the person i found most suspicious instead of... not voting the person i found most suspicious. i didn't actually expect to lynch link182, and i wasn't going to vote for either wagon because i didn't particularly care for either one. i just wanted to make my suspicions known.

oops yeah i definitely forgot about that and/or i missed it while skimming i do not remember lmao


what makes you say this? i participated and i even gave reads and a serious vote.

tbh i don't think you're getting much from z18

this was a post defending herself. i don't think town should be on the defensive so much; they should be on the offensive.

i ought to quit my job and just play mafia full time

ok quick thots from a quick catchup

seeing people's points about ryu, i'll look into it myself in a minute
tristan popped into day 2 with a ton of outdated joke responses and i am not a big fan, also didn't really have any original takes (as funnygurl has been putting it)
the ISO moe did is surprising, i don't remember seeing that kind of posting out of him, but dammit i just can't scumread that kind of effort


what's the point of this post

still... tunneling tristan. says she will read into ryu. i'm looking forward to that. she's starting to townread moe.

i'm really disappointed in myself that minish has more posts than i do

quick post before class. iirc the vote count was messed up since before they were locked, and people had voted based on the counts. i agree that funnier would never let a tie happen in any case, but it's not like he knew. we all thought someone was going to get lynched when the votes were locked.

she's defending funnier.

so lg is another one of those, "i would want her up for the lynch if she doesn't step it up." she's saying that she'll look into people, which is okay, but this is standard newb wolf play (not being able to come up with wolf reads as wolf). the confusing thing about it is, lg's not a newb. that's why i really want to know what her meta is

@Morbid Minish @Doc @DekuNut i think y'all have played with her before yeah? unsure. could you lmk what lg's meta is and what you think of her?
 

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Funngurl555, link182 confirms her
Rubik due to rubik/Moe being part of a day 1 tie and his activity has been solid. I liked his suspicions against funnier, they felt genuine.
Moe I don't have any evidence or reasoning to place Moe up this high other than the fact that I really like his suspicions and posts. This is some high tier play we're seeing out of Moe this game
Minish as i said, Moe made a pretty solid argument for Minish being town based on her reaction to the night kills.
ZinnLav. There isn't much on what they've said, but I'm willing to trust their soft for now. I have no strong reason to doubt it and dont think scum would stick their necks out for someone with very little prompting.
Ryuken I understand the suspicion against him, but nothing he's done screamed scum in my eyes. I'm going to wait before I consider placing a vote on him before the EoD.
funnier6/SunFan I agree with Rubik on how funnier's behavior seemed a little off. Funnier normally takes a much more active role during a situation like that. In general
DekuNut Deku is probably the only one one this list who my gut keeps going back and forth for. I feel like this is a cop out answer for my read on him, but I legitimately can't figure out how I feel. His posts make so much sense to me from both a town and scum perspective. I don't see any reason to vote him today. I do however think that if Ryu is scum, Deku likely may be too. And vice versa.
Tristan I have literally nothing to say. :shrugs:
LittleGumball I wish I could place her higher on this list, but LG's behavior feels different than what I normally expect from her. She feels pretty passive despite her saying otherwise. I've always struggled with understanding her meta, but this time it feels off to me. She is not as engaged as previous games (which is odd to me because I assumed she would be the MOST engaged if she were scum, so I don't know how to feel about this).
leetic Zinn kind of soft claimed for leetic's sake, but all their claim did was suggest that leetic didn't commit the nightkill. Still has the potential for scum. Most of their reactions have been very OMGUSy.
 
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Leetic Iso

I'm gonna preface this by saying that first and foremost, my biggest concern with leetic is the dramatic change in playstyle from hydra to now. for those who were in the hydra game with me, leetic was someone who hunted, hard. and because of that, he was easily town-read. here, leetic is more of a reactive player. i'm unsure of why this is happening (it could be due to inactivity reasons), but the fact that he's been able to post more than some means he's had enough time to dig into the game

Vote: ZinnLav

Boo. It's not hard to contribute, reminds me of your attitude in the hydra game.

i think this is a pressure vote? and if so, it's a good one. slight townie points.


I wish I could come up with a noble excuse for my inactivity, like I was busy doing some volunteer work to help the poor and that's why I have not posted much. However, the true reason for my inactivity is... I was sleeping. Come on, I just got basically all my schoolwork for the year done, I need my beauty rest!

Anyway, rainbow reads list so I have something done for the day:

Funnier6 - One of the biggest contributors. I don't like reading wallposts like that, though that is more a personal thing.
Moe the Moblin - Is playing to his town meta. I still haven't seen his scum meta, but he still is one of the biggest contributors.
Ryuken - Seems similar to his "town" (even if he was technically a survivor) play on the hydra game.
Mido - Does have a couple of decent posts that are pushing the game forward.
DekuNut - Has been contributing to the game at least, not something I typically see from his scum play.
LittleGumball - Seems to be a reactive player rather than an interactive one. Keeping a joke vote and later justifying it looks a little weird to me. However, she has at least tried harder than most of the people below her on the list, so gets some points there.
Zelda18 - Only has one post, detailing her(?) inactivity. Forgetting that the game is going on might be a town lean, as you'd expect scum to be more invested, but made an excuse for why they won't be here a while and not a particularly valid one...
Doc - Really inactive, and this one doesn't even have an excuse for why. Basically just active lurking at this point, though I suppose I'm not one to talk.
Link 182 - Hasn't done much besides screwing around, expressed distaste for the FG wagon but doesn't really explain why. Basically CWAC.
Funnygurl555 - I do have to admit, seems different from the FG I'm used to. Seems a bit tunnely and more interested in proving she's town than solving the game.
Tristan - Apparently is busy and I respect that, however their only real contributing post expressed distaste at people trying to get things done on D1. If that's the only thing you have to say, it doesn't look too good.
Morbid Minish - A lot of posts read as "could be town or scum", "I don't know how to read this person", etc., not to mention voting someone just because they're inactive. Overall very flaky and CWAC.
ZinnLav - Even if that's supposedly how they "always" play, the lack of cooperation or motivation to get anything done D1 just looks bad to me. There's a difference between not being confident in yourself but still trying, and just doing this.

explains inactivity, gives a reads list. and i think this reads list is valid; however, i do have a gripe with him only scum reading zinn for something that aligns with her meta. that's when i started questioning leetic.

Yeah, where he was scum and acted the same way?

response to me about zinn

He did make a genuine progression in his read of you, whereas with LG, the justification seemed to come out of nowhere

justification of read on lg

Really? That will get us nowhere if she flips town.

is against z18 lynch, which i mean looks better than not.

Come on, six pages were generated after I left, and ya still dropped the ball. I am not impressed.

ehhhh, he tells us we did bad and yet wasn't... there.

Based on EoD, Zinn and Zelda were likely two competing town wagons

wagonomics, good.

I do think a full team of Zinn/Moe/FG can be fully eliminated as a possibility, so there's something


Yes, I thought Zinn had two votes at EoD for some reason

still doing some wagonomics stuff

This is some of the lamest shading I've ever seen. How does the oddness of the post contribute to your read on me?

claps back at minish. it's like... ok. a little omgus like though. nai

GTH, what is your read on me?

Also, I thought that FG claimed Vig and shot Zelda. Looking back, that is not what happened.

asking about reads on self. which is odd. didn't get my claim right.... oh wait a ****ing minute. oh wait. oh. ohhhhhhhhhhh. leetic's town

leetic's town y'all. i was wrong. i was wrong. i shoulda died if he thought i claimed vig, or he would've been corrected if he brought it up in wolf chat

I'M WRONG HE'S TOWN
 

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and doc thanks for the meta stuff on lg. it's cool to see that someone thinks her play is odd too.
That wasn't even meant to answer your question, I was gonna do that separately. I'm not the BEST person when it comes to LG's meta, theres a lot of other people who are more familiar with it. But I did want to jump in and acknowledge one part of your iso.
think if tristan flips scum, then lg must be town though. idk man this has been a long term bus and it wasn't necessary.
I don't believe this is necessarily true. Hell, I'm honestly more inclined to believe the opposite. I wouldn't put it past LG to vote her scumbud, especially if said scumbud is inactive. Minish has voted me in the past when we were scumbuds for the same thing. Especially with how long she's riding this bus, despite actually pushing it anywhere is kind of odd to me. I'm not necessarily saying she's scum, but the possibility remains that the two are scumbuds if one flips.
 

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Hi guys. I was going to finish reading through the thread and respond to things as I go like I usually do and write a big wall post, but seeing as I was 22 pages behind and funnier isn't here to hate it and therefore townread me, that doesn't seem useful. Normally, I only have a few hours or maximum a day's worth of things to respond to, not nearly a whole day and a half of game time. So I won't do that.

I am going to re-read though, and I'll do some ISOs and a reads list in a little bit here. Apologies for my activity thus far, but I'm all moved to my new place and may have a job lined up so I'm gonna be around from here on out. Time for me to actually start playing! I'm sure some of you have questions for me, so please, ask me anything! I'm here now!

And to make this post useful, through my skim I have a few very basic thoughts I'd like to share.

LG's vote on me: I like it... well, that is to say, I like that she went with her gut and voted her scum lean. The problem is that as someone mentioned, it was a "safe" vote. Voting for inactives is extremely easy, because when/if they flip town you could just say "oh but they weren't playing so they weren't helpful anyway". Not saying it's a scum move, but it's also not a town move. And that's not just because it was on me either, I would feel the same way about any inactive. It's especially weird considering one of the people up to bat were inactive themself. Unfortunately, I don't really remember LG's scum meta very well since I haven't played with her in god knows how long, but I do think she's playing it a little more safe than I would normally expect her to. Scum lean for now.

Rubik's thoughts on funnier: Tough one. I definitely see where Rubik is coming from, but it's a weird situation since nobody knew the day was going towards a no lynch. While I agree that funnier was maybe a little less verbal about the way the votes were going than I would expect, he was also anxious about his champs game and may not have had his heart fully in this game. Ideally, I would want to see funnier's response to Rubik's suspicion, but alas that is not possible. So while it is potentially a little out of character for funnier, I'd like to see Sun Fan play a bit to get a better read on him. That being said, however, I feel pretty good about Rubik because of this. I don't know what scum Rubik is like, but I don't really see mafia coming in and being open about a suspicion that could be interpreted as grasping at straws like that immediately after joining the game. I noted earlier that Mido seemed to turn around on his mild suspicion of Deku pretty quickly, but this makes me think Mido/Rubik is town.

Ryuken: Sorry Moe, but believe it or not, it can easily take people well over an hour to read and gather thoughts. So I think jumping to conclusions about Ryu because of that is a bit unfair. That being said, however, most of what I've seen from Ryu so far has been kinda CWACy so I'm not too sure what to think. The gifs he adds in his posts add a little bit of much appreciated lightheartedness to the thread, but it seems like he hasn't really come up with any original thoughts (same could be said about me I suppose but I've really only skimmed since about page 9). It's in line with the way I've seen him play before iirc so I don't think it's AI. He's definitely one of the people I want to ISO though.

Doc: I'm just mentioning him right now because Doc is the hardest person in this game for me to read, and he's always been someone I have no idea how to read. From what I've noticed, he plays largely the same as town or scum, but he's always one of the lower posters in most games which makes trying to figure him out a little frustrating at times. I appreciate his reads list though and I find most of my few current thoughts are aligning with his pretty well which is good. He's somebody I will probably never be able to form a confident read on, which is why I'm mentioning him now; everyone else in the thread after an ISO I think I'll be able to figure out, but not him. Damn you Doc, why you gotta be so hard to read! D:

Those are just some basic preliminary thoughts before I start really reading this thread. Like I said above, I'm here now and I'm ready to play so ask me anything!
 
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