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ZinnLav

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For today, I want to look more into Zinn. Gumball was very against D1, but she ended up showing up and provided decent play, so I'll let her keep on going. But Zinn has no more D1 excuses.
So @ZinnLav gimme reads

I still want those reads from Zinn, as well as the info from Doc and Z18.
I can say leetic is likely Town, at the least he didn't kill anyone last night.

I'm also confused why Mafia would kill someone who claimed Mason, since if it was true, the Mafia would know they're not lying, and would insert a confirmed Town, it makes no sense, unless there was a bus driver or redirector in play who expected that, even so they'd have to know who was targeting or getting targeted. Zelda's kill doesn't make much sense either, they were one of two wagons, the other being Mido, yes they both had two votes, but they also had the most, they looked suspect, why not let them live and sow more suspicion?

I feel like voting for those who convienently happen to be busy during the day phases, like Doc & Tristan, even if you're busy you can certainly still send your night action without keeping up with the thread.

I think I'll...
Vote: Tristan

At least for now.
 

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Okay so fg is confirmed and I'm fairly certain Rubik is clean too. Like others said, I doubt mafia would have risked someone changing their vote to break the tie and would have finished Zelda18 off themselves. It would have been easy enough to explain away if people called them out for it. Especially considering we did have actual confirmed townies changing their vote in the end.

And, not once but twice I find myself agreeing with Moe (in the distance, sirens). His argument for Minish makes a lot of sense to me. I'm going to remain skeptical, because I will forever be paranoid about Minish, but I think I am comfortable giving her a slight town read. I think I was starting to tunnel her yesterday mistakenly if Moe is right.

Could I also get an explanation on why Deku is soft-confirmed? I am a tad bit lost on that front. Is it soft-confirmed based on the night kills or his behavior?
 

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I can say leetic is likely Town, at the least he didn't kill anyone last night.

I'm also confused why Mafia would kill someone who claimed Mason, since if it was true, the Mafia would know they're not lying, and would insert a confirmed Town, it makes no sense, unless there was a bus driver or redirector in play who expected that, even so they'd have to know who was targeting or getting targeted. Zelda's kill doesn't make much sense either, they were one of two wagons, the other being Mido, yes they both had two votes, but they also had the most, they looked suspect, why not let them live and sow more suspicion?

I feel like voting for those who convienently happen to be busy during the day phases, like Doc & Tristan, even if you're busy you can certainly still send your night action without keeping up with the thread.

I think I'll...
Vote: Tristan

At least for now.
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Sorry guys, I failed my investigation check to look for traps xP
A joke that I actually didn't notice until now
similar to mine!
Not really, everyone except Moe is still in the joking phase, makes me think Moe is Town, scum would leave things in the joking phase I feel.
This min 3 posts per day is annoying, there isn't really much going on.
gives the most frequent town read of me I usually get (not sure why I keep getting the "is making effort and pushing thread > probably town" read, but you know what I'll take it to mean I'm doing something right. This post feels different than the hydra, but I can't recall Zinn in the other game, mostly just didn't feel like lynching her because rubik claimed RB
note: I will probably town read people who complain nothing is happening :)
Pretty much, I don't have much to say at this point. Pretty much I do what you do, rely on night information and build reads from that.

That feels like someone trying to form a wagon, I don't like it. I've said it many times, I don't do much on D1.

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angleshoot read: wolves proofread their posts and notice they say pretty much twice in a row
the sentiment is a wolfy one in a vacuum and ya hate to see it.
iirc the second line is directed to leetic, and is omgus?
What? No, it doesn't make sense to me. I say my play style is similar to yours and you think that looks scummy?


Excuse me? I never once said I was withholding information? You're throwing shade without anything backing you up.


Seriously? Quit complaining about how I play in every game, it's getting annoying af.
First votes never really come off scummy, it's usually the second or third person on a wagon.
In like all his posts, just the vibe I'm getting or something idk


Again, it's D1, what do you expect from me? A full reads list and what role I think everyone is? I haven't even voted yet. But you're looking more and more scummy.

Vote: Funnygurl555
is this a notable outburst? This is the last thing zinn said all day, and it makes me realize how crappy the forum timing on this layout is because I can't even tell when this post was made. If it's close enough to EOD it's towny; if it's a long ways away wolfy because they haven't got any more posts for the rest of the day.
I can say leetic is likely Town, at the least he didn't kill anyone last night.

I'm also confused why Mafia would kill someone who claimed Mason, since if it was true, the Mafia would know they're not lying, and would insert a confirmed Town, it makes no sense, unless there was a bus driver or redirector in play who expected that, even so they'd have to know who was targeting or getting targeted. Zelda's kill doesn't make much sense either, they were one of two wagons, the other being Mido, yes they both had two votes, but they also had the most, they looked suspect, why not let them live and sow more suspicion?

I feel like voting for those who convienently happen to be busy during the day phases, like Doc & Tristan, even if you're busy you can certainly still send your night action without keeping up with the thread.

I think I'll...
Vote: Tristan

At least for now.
I read this as bulbagarden meta
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the middle paragraph does feel off to me because it's a parrot of the entrances that minish and deku both gave.
minish/zinnlav/deku wolf team, got it
in this case though, it starts with a kind of hint of knowledge that svaz was the wolf kill and is trying to hide that knowledge instead of just saying "this is what I think", and then "Zelda's kill..." feels kind of tacked on and doesn't have nearly as much ~hidden knowledge~ to it

ARE YOU HAPPY NOW RANDOM.ORG
 

Mikey the Gengar

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Lets go, ya nerds.

Vote Deku
rvs onto deku
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Oh my god, I forgot the majesty that are your Phoenix Wright gifs. I'm excited.

On to the discussion at hand, I don't agree with Moe's suspicions in the slightest, but at this point, understand why he has them. Moe has a specific playstyle where I think he views everything from a scum suspicion. I don't think there's anything inherently scummy with his suspicions and his reasoning. We have seen this when he was town. I er saying this makes him town leaning because I don't think I've ever seen scum Moe.

Is this a pressure vote or a deadass vote? I don't completely understand the reasoning.
rereading this post the logic feels kind of blocky, like I can follow it but it isn't nuanced. It's a low resolution read.
Sorry I didn't get a post in last night, yall. To explain some of my inactivity, I started a new job where I work the closing shift and the weekends we're open to 4 AM. This change in my schedule combined with my personal difficulty on day ones kind of contributes to why I haven't gotten to much.


I first want to address that I have never been the most active player D1, regardless of alignment. Hell, this isn't the first time I barely made it to making the minimum requirement. And in those games, I feel like I said way less. Some of my town posts in the past have been straight up "I don't have anything to say." So I don't really agree with what Minish is saying about me here. I'm refraining from saying this makes her look scummy, because that may just be an instinctual OMGUS.


:`v`:



Anyways, another thing I wanted to say before I miss my chance is that I like Link182's defense of fg. Regardless of fg's alignment, I'm doubtful scum would so brazenly come out against a wagon on day one. It's nothing strong, but it stood out to me.
both the self awareness of omgus and the read on Svaz are nuanced however. I think both of these reads are pretty towny.
I was preparing a post about the Mido/Zinn wagons and which I would join but end of day beat me and it looks like a lot of people switched over to Z18. For the record though, I would have placed my vote on Mido. If I'm remembering correctly, I recall Zinn behaving similarly in a past game with day one. As someone who also struggles with making thoughts this early, I can understand not being able to contribute a lot. Whether or not that is harmful to town is another discussion. But I don't find her scummy for it.
this seems like a really doc thing to do. That is, work on a post and get sniped by eod. At this point what I'm most concerned about is the fact that he hasn'tcalled anything out, merely observed. This actually makes me nervous. This post also happened during twilight and doc states he would have voted for mido which isn't exclusive with the idea that wolves are probably inactive.
Nothing strong. I have a very slight one against Minish because I feel like she's intentionally misremembering my meta, but like I said before, its likely an OMGUS feeling and I intend to just keep my eye on her for now.
looks like someone asking doc about his suspicions. This is basically a no.
I’m on mobile atm and did a quick skim. To answer Dekus question, I do intend to be more active but I will likely be busy tomorrow. Got jury duty and don’t know how long that will take me.

Brief thoughts about the NK, I think mafia killed Link182 and vig/sk killed Zelda. I doubt mafia would kill someone so close to being lynched.

I also agree with Moe’s thoughts about how this soft confirms Mido/whoever replaced him. I will try to give more once I get back on my laptop.
Okay so fg is confirmed and I'm fairly certain Rubik is clean too. Like others said, I doubt mafia would have risked someone changing their vote to break the tie and would have finished Zelda18 off themselves. It would have been easy enough to explain away if people called them out for it. Especially considering we did have actual confirmed townies changing their vote in the end.

And, not once but twice I find myself agreeing with Moe (in the distance, sirens). His argument for Minish makes a lot of sense to me. I'm going to remain skeptical, because I will forever be paranoid about Minish, but I think I am comfortable giving her a slight town read. I think I was starting to tunnel her yesterday mistakenly if Moe is right.

Could I also get an explanation on why Deku is soft-confirmed? I am a tad bit lost on that front. Is it soft-confirmed based on the night kills or his behavior?
 

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Wow the post shifted around as I was navigating and qcicdwntlaly touched the post button instead of the text box uhhh

More observational thoughts and no interaction

Summary of thoughts but there is actually on open interaction at the end


overall I actually do have a conclusion to draw from this
doc has a notable lack of interaction with players and that's concerning, because my recollection is that he can be a bit more aggressive despite lowposting and his only suspicion is "I'm probably omgusing"
Could use a second opinion here
 

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Phase change happens at like 8am for me and I'm not active until afternoons. So if I come across scummy because of my delayed posts, it's simply because I'm not a morning person.
 

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I'm too tired to actually give reads but I think I'm going to vote for ryu
thoughts tomorrow
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funnier6:

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Way to be prompt, Notifications. Also, if anyone was curious, I was going to RVS vote funnier6 for "coercing" me to join Mafia games again. Sigh....

Anyway, I haven't seen much from today, so I don't have any strong opinions or reads just yet. Just be mindful of the sarcasm in the RVS voting phase posts, @Moe the Moblin . If funnier used "thateth sort ofeth wordingeth" on Day 2, he would be instantly suspicious.
Why do you find it annoying? Do you feel forced to post or something?
I don't think anyone is really being forced to contribute in order to comply with the 3 post minimum thing. You're not being forced to post walls of text or reply to every post you see or to post a reads list. Just being a little bit transparent can get someone to be like "wait a minute" and bring something up or share something to get a discussion going. If you're thinking "Oh crap, how can I post/contribute to this point so I don't look scummy or get modkilled," there's a small chance you might be Mafia. :)

It's been a while since I've played on here, but I don't usually come up with reads or vote outside of the RVS phase Day 1 unless someone or something incredibly suspicious happens. Mostly being inquisitive to generate discussion and see what people are thinking in order to piece some stuff together for the next day once the info from the Night phase comes out. Night info to me is really handy.



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Heh, we've come a long way since the ol' days of misinterpreting sarcasm, haven't we?
Ooooookay... Why do you say "it's not necessarily a hard part for a wolf to make?" What are you implying here?


A sort of pet peeve of mine here. It's nice to know that you have the same thoughts I do, but these kinds of responses make it sound like you're being "fed information." In other words, contributing your thoughts without actually contributing your own thoughts. If that makes any sense.

Case in point:





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Moe is the the kind of person who likes to poke holes in a piece of paper and patch up some of the holes with another person's piece of paper. Yeah, I've never been good with metaphors, but basically, he doesn't elaborate much, meaning most of the time, one would have to guess what they're trying to say. Big no-no for me, especially with "not necessarily a hard part for wolf" post and the "like how good it looks on Minish" post. Don't make us fill in the blanks, and don't just use Mido's words as your own. What are some places where you don't quite mindmeld, for instance?

On that note, however, this is also why I'm hesitant to vote Moe, probably for a while. He played like this in the Hydra game on Bulba, and I haven't seen how he plays as scum.


You are definitely more funnier than funnier himself, that's for sure. :)

Why so sure, though?
I'm not confused by the typo. I was just confused by how you were seemingly reading me as both Town and Scum at the same time. I've gotten a slightly better understanding of your playstyle now that you've elaborated slightly more, but I still find your read on me a bit weird.


I see. I'm used to seeing this sort of thing in a much more faster paced setting like IRC/Discord Mafia.
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I was staring at this for like 10 seconds and completely forgot about the theme of the game. This is your friendly reminder that sarcasm is hard on the internet. Especially when you miss the context that's staring you in the face every time you open this thread.
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This totally sounds like something scum would say. Totally.

Memes aside, I don't think I've noticed anything out of the ordinary from the players I know who have posted here. Bit concerned about @leetic and @Link 182 , though, since I haven't seen much from them. @Doc has always taken a while to make posts, iirc (though come on, don't get yourself modkilled), and of course @Zelda18 's taking their time freshing up on forum Mafia.
To the ones I tagged, what are your thoughts about this day so far?

Hold It.

I looked back and my posts, and I never indicated leetic at any point in them. Nor did I mean to imply him in my response. I'm struggling to understand how you perceived my hypothetical example as a "roundabout way of addressing leetic and Zinnlav."
I thought I made it clear when I was explaining my thoughts on Moe and tying that to my thoughts on your response as a non-example, but I guess I didn't.
What I was referring to here is how you quoted my thoughts and didn't say much beyond "Pretty much I don't have much to say... Pretty much I do what you do." That is what irked me because you answered by agreeing with one of my thoughts instead of elaborating on your own and showing how your own thoughts are similar to mine. An example would be something like this:


Doc and I had similar thoughts and we reached the same conclusion. Moe, on the other hand, stayed cryptic and didn't elaborate much on how his thoughts were similar to Mido's. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Alright, I guess one meme post before I sleep will do.

Aw, come on, let's not make fun of Light Theme users, okay?
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Rolls for charisma.
 
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