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I didn't realize she'd claimed an Inventor role prior to you pointing that out; I'd previously thought it might've come from alana since I also got a message about her having visited me. I don't think I'd use it on you simply because you've spent a whole cycle dead so if your death ends the...

I guess this means Hapi's drunk?

Alana described Minish as "not exactly town" I think because of her different coloured green flip. (Note that in discussing this with alana I had not realized Minish flipped differently, but this is somewhat irrelevant.) I think if Minish was a threat keeping the game going then it would've...

Wait nevermind on this part you covered why you thought that was the case.

...Thought I already mentioned this but alana's death is actually my fault as a result of an ability I received upon meeting my "buck dies" wincon, which probably messes up your "Caps is unknowingly killing people" theory. Also he copped KoD who didn't die that night.

I'm sure the host is lynchable, I see that part as kinda a given in super bastard games. I just don't think it'll have the same results as it did/would've last Chaos. He's probably not gonna make himself Mafia twice in a row, which means there's a good chance it could go pretty badly instead...

To be very clear. I have the same buckability confirmations on both you and Rag from my mech source; this means you're both cleared from being Mafia by virtue of a scumteam member being buckable being potentially very gamebreaking. The argument that Rag's confirmation is stronger is that her...

Yeah I can see that, she does seem a bit oddly convinced in some of the posts you quoted.

It kinda is justified? Since if she's town and she dies in LyLo she loses. I do feel like maybe other people were kinda being pushed more than her so maybe she shouldn't have been as concerned but she was definitely in the POE. Nothing she's speculated doesn't seem like a logical inference based...

Can you explain this to me? Like are you seriously saying she's the scummiest (hard to tell cause the wording sounds jokingish) and if so what makes her seem as such to you? Welp. I'm guessing she's not planning to also come back from the dead and make this check actually useful.

We either win today or we mislynch and probably town loses today or tonight, which makes "excess information" not really a thing. Having all info available to avoid the latter situation would probably be good.

Okay. So. Hapi is buckable. That means literally every damned player is mech cleared. I've died and flipped town, Caps is an Innocent Child, and scum can't be buckable because that's game breaking so Hapi and Rag are both clear too. In other words, I came back to life apparently just to say I...

Can you provide it? From using your ability on her I assume?

Is that group you need to eliminate defined by some sort of name?

Can you elaborate on what the second wincon is? It shouldn't be rule breaking since I was able to without consequences.

Correct from what I can tell.

I do not understand this thought process. "If Hapi vanished Minish and Minish can come back nobody's scum?" Then way isn't the game over yet? Or do you think somehow this indicates someones 3p over Mafia, in which case why do you think that because I don't see where you're getting that?

Not sure I can answer that so I'll err on the side of caution and not. But I will say having thought about it overnight the person I'm thinking of probably falls into the "maybe not exactly town". Mech reasons. I kind of want to question the "town with an extra wincon" claim being similar to...

I am definitely sure there's unbuckable town regardless of what exactly Minish was. You really don't think it's Rag but she's one of the people you'll probably vote in? I'm very confused.

I know we need to try to expect the unexpected, but I think we can take the guy who's responsible for at least one scum death and by his claim possibly two and modconfirmed town to be town.

Not necessarily-- Minish was unbuckable and was town, and I'm completely confident she wasn't the only town unbuckable role in the game (I only went after her over it because she didn't seem to think town would have unbuckable roles and then because it didn't feel like it lined up with her claim...

It can't be pure BS if you're not denying unbuckability? Because if I'm lying how else do I know that?

If you decided that thought my role to consisted of "find the buck kill the buck win the game" shortly before Raven died, why did you vote me right after that? Obviously if that's what my role is I would be not scum? (I am not confirming nor denying whether you are correct about all of this as I...

I think it was a secondary wincon? To my knowledge I am town and I didn't know about the "buck dies" wincon until I achieved it. That said my role has been heavily related to the buck from the start so the seconfary wincon wasn't a huge surprise.

That is probably not a question I am allowed to answer.

Hi I haven't read **** but apparently the buck's dead and that means I win apparently I don't care much what happens here because I've already won but just for everyone who does care a'lana's unbuckable.

By the sounds of it Neon's clear of Minish is "yes, there is a bartender". Don't think that's particularly clearing for Minish-- Minish can be scum in a town Neon world by simply having not lied about having a bartender-related role.

Minish mentioned needing two drinks-- possibly she's affected weirdly by the two drinks a night effect? Without knowledge of what that weird effect is that still doesn't tell us much about her alignment and I still don't see why a town with that role is unbuckable.

Minish is the worst choice of Seanzie's PoE options to remove from the PoE. She is not cleared by anything in any way shape or form. No mechs, nothing she's done has really sold her as town, she doesn't even have anti-teamed interactions with KoD or Fext. There is no world where Minish is the...

How is a speculation at a weirdass kill more compelling evidence for someone's towniness than two players' mechanical testimonies at a time where there's only likely 1 Mafia alive?

There's literally no way for Rag not to be town that makes any sense.

And if I'm lying she's still town because I'm scum.

Raven and Rag clear each other. That means they're both town because they can't both be scum. (Plus my claim says she's buckable which also says she's town.)

... Why Rag. Rag's mech cleared,

At least by the sounds of it,

Neon's "clear" on Minish might just be a joke about Botwolfs space tea party.

There are 5 people tomorrow in that world (four town), but only two suspects, where in a hanged corpse world, there is one more person and one more suspect. In the unhanged corpse world, only 40% of the players remaining are uncleared, whereas 50% of them are uncleared in the hanged corpse...

The corpse is already ****ing dead. Do you not understand what the word corpse means? What? If you think Minish can't be scum, please say what you can about why-- saying things about roles as long as its not a direct claim is allowable if its a mech thing. And you have been the one yelling at...

You've already admitted to thinking corpse voting is wrong for gamesolving and you're just doing it for the heck of it.

I think she implied that she was the source of the grenade you received? I mention this a couple posts later. While scum-dayvig is mildly possible I don't see why scum would have a role to give town killing so if she did give you the grenade that makes her town.

No, they don't. Lynching the corpse decreases the amount of mistakes we can make in the Min/me/alana lynching because if we **** up twice we lose in a hanged corpse world, and that is not the case in an unhanged corpse world. Granted my numbers are wrong since I forgot Seanzie was alive and I'd...

**** forgot Sean was still alive. I knew those numbers felt off and I could not fathom why. Eh. I'll take the risk of throwing him with the town and keep my proposed lynch pool unchanged.

I guess this does preclude multiple deaths any night but we haven't exactly had that.

If we lynch the corpse tonight we'd be at 6:1, then tomorrow at 5:1. Probably me/Min/alana would all still be alive for not being clear, leaving mafia to shoot in Caps/Neon/Raven/Rag. We lynch in me/Min/alana and lets say we're wrong then we go into the night at 4:1. Day again and it's 3:1 and...

Wait if the grenade came from Neon and alana's just the one who threw it I think alana would just be not cleared. I'd still rather vote Minish for sure but worth noting.

Can someone remind me if Neon mechanically cleared in any way or just "not scum with Fext"? She seems to imply she knows where the bomb that killed Ex came from but that's the only instance I can find of her talking about maybe her role. I don't wanna vote her at all currently I'm willing to...

...unfortunately that's not enough to sell me. I'm fairly sure lynching a corpse is probably just a way to waste a day, and while we might be able to afford to do so at this point, I'd rather not. Also. Is it possible for Mafia to have a dayvig here? I think that's alana's claim. In this case I...

Alright Min's role is related to bartender which I just looked up and says it has no related roles. I can imagine a de-drunkifier except that doesn't sound like what she's described. Could be a role that gains power from getting drunked by the bartender? That doesn't sound like a hugely AI role...

What did she do to clear you? I think I missed that. Anyhow since it doesn't sound like people intend to actually accomplish anything by voting the corpse I'm gonna vote Minish. If Raven's clear than there's literally nobody else it can be and with Minish also being unbuckable it's only thing...

Why are we voting a corpse?