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Kirion, you keep bringing up my "appeal to emotion", but even after your examples I still do not quite understand what you mean by it. Is this something new about me or is it an old part of my meta? Do you think you could help me understand better?
I never said that I was your only suspect or that it was wrong of you to vote for me. I merely asked you if I am the player who you would like to get lynched today. You have seemed unsure on that ever since I first asked. To me, whenever I vote for somebody, that means (unless is it clearly RVS) that the person I vote for is the person who I would lynch if I got to decide myself. To me that is what a vote means; to vote for the player you want to see dead at the end of the day. This is why I got a bit surprised to see you so unsure of the vote that you have on me. I suppose it is just our differences in how we perceive votes. I guess votes are more definitive to me. If I was as suspicious of someone as you seem to be of me, I would cast a FoS rather than an actual vote. But that is just me.
Oh I was only referring to the players who, like me, are voting for Storm currently.
Again, this just has to do with the different ways you and I see votes. Of course I would have made the same statement if I had noticed something similar with somebody else. And as I already said, I do not blame you for not being sure of yourself, it is the combination of a vote and the unknowing whether you really want me dead or not that bugs me a bit. I do understand you better now that I have seen our different opinions clearer though.
Is such a change really noteworthy though? This is the first day of the game. To me this started out very lighthearted and jokingly, but then some role claims happened, and I was called out by you. I do not think that my course of action regarding change of attention is particularly strange. I think it is only natural for me to respond and interact with a player who is trying to communicate with me.
I agree with you on that this game is very likely Role Madness. But even still, your theory about Storm having a weaker PR holds no water at all. It is nothing but guess work on your side. This is why I pointed it out. You say yourself in this quote that "he [Storm] might've just misjudged the relevance of his role". It does not exactly strengthen your theory by using words like that. I think it is okay to make guesses and speculations, however you seem to be pushing this particular one way harder than any regular guess. Is there any reason for that?
I respect your opinion on that, but in my opinion all of the other roles that I mentioned in my post (Roleblocker, Tracker, Watcher and Jack-of-all-trades) are all extremely powerful and useful to whatever side they are on. The Tracker and Watcher roles were very useful to the Town's victory back in Pirates Mafia 2 for example, and I know from personal experience on both the Town's and the Mafia's side that the JOAT can be deadly. The most special and helpful role though, I would say is the RB. I dare even say it is the strongest Town role of all, right after the Cop. Much like the Doctor role, the Roleblocker is able to prevent night kills. That alone makes them an extremely valuable asset to their party. However, the Roleblocker can do more than just prevent night kills. It can prevent virtually anything as long as it knows where it is coming from. This makes for a much more reliable version of the Doctor (especially late game), and it can even prevent other things than just night kills. In Ace Attorney Mafia for example, I was the Mafia Roleblocker and in that game I roleblocked the Vigilante every single night, rendering that role completely useless for the entire game. Or in ZD Members Vs. Mods, as another example, where I was the Town Roleblocker. In that game, after I had managed to uncover Vergo as the Cult Leader I roleblocked him several times. So while I kept preventing the Cult from growing stronger at night, we were eliminating the Mafia through lynches during the day. Had it not been for that, the Town would have undoubtedly lost that game to both the Cult and the Mafia. So yeah, I think the Roleblocker deserves a lot more praise than it typically gets. It is very high up there. Right beneath the Cop in my opinion.
This had nothing at all to do with your suspicions on me. It is simply me pointing out that there is no actual base to your theory.
I've likewise pointed out earlier suspicions against Viral and Sadia. Next to that have I openly given my opinion about multiple other players, and never have I said that I know for sure you're scum or that you're the only one on my list right now that I don't trust.
If you then respond to me simply calling you out by appealing to emotion instead of bringing up proper arguments, obviously I would start trusting you less.
I never said that I was your only suspect or that it was wrong of you to vote for me. I merely asked you if I am the player who you would like to get lynched today. You have seemed unsure on that ever since I first asked. To me, whenever I vote for somebody, that means (unless is it clearly RVS) that the person I vote for is the person who I would lynch if I got to decide myself. To me that is what a vote means; to vote for the player you want to see dead at the end of the day. This is why I got a bit surprised to see you so unsure of the vote that you have on me. I suppose it is just our differences in how we perceive votes. I guess votes are more definitive to me. If I was as suspicious of someone as you seem to be of me, I would cast a FoS rather than an actual vote. But that is just me.
[care to enlighten me about what views and opinions, and which players?]
Oh I was only referring to the players who, like me, are voting for Storm currently.
[would you make this same statement had I called out someone else? Kind of the point of day 1 that you cannot yet fill an entire storage room with evidence. Being to sure of myself would certainly not be a good trait here]
Again, this just has to do with the different ways you and I see votes. Of course I would have made the same statement if I had noticed something similar with somebody else. And as I already said, I do not blame you for not being sure of yourself, it is the combination of a vote and the unknowing whether you really want me dead or not that bugs me a bit. I do understand you better now that I have seen our different opinions clearer though.
At the same time, you changed from never having mentioned me in any of your posts to heavily criticising my theories and throwing attacks back to me. Not a bad thing, criticise me please, but the change from never having mentioned me to making me look a tad suspicious seems like OMGUS to me.
Is such a change really noteworthy though? This is the first day of the game. To me this started out very lighthearted and jokingly, but then some role claims happened, and I was called out by you. I do not think that my course of action regarding change of attention is particularly strange. I think it is only natural for me to respond and interact with a player who is trying to communicate with me.
Theorizing without any logic.
Yah.
Strong words. But okay. It just came to my mind that as I think it's highly likely that there are no VT's in this game, and hence that everyone has "some sort of power role", he might've just misjudged the relevance of his role and isn't actually that important to us at all.
I agree with you on that this game is very likely Role Madness. But even still, your theory about Storm having a weaker PR holds no water at all. It is nothing but guess work on your side. This is why I pointed it out. You say yourself in this quote that "he [Storm] might've just misjudged the relevance of his role". It does not exactly strengthen your theory by using words like that. I think it is okay to make guesses and speculations, however you seem to be pushing this particular one way harder than any regular guess. Is there any reason for that?
And removing the doc, I would only consider the cop and vig as important town roles. All others can be helpful, but might not be special if all of us have such a role. Then specifically attempting to save his "important role" might be a waste of time.
I respect your opinion on that, but in my opinion all of the other roles that I mentioned in my post (Roleblocker, Tracker, Watcher and Jack-of-all-trades) are all extremely powerful and useful to whatever side they are on. The Tracker and Watcher roles were very useful to the Town's victory back in Pirates Mafia 2 for example, and I know from personal experience on both the Town's and the Mafia's side that the JOAT can be deadly. The most special and helpful role though, I would say is the RB. I dare even say it is the strongest Town role of all, right after the Cop. Much like the Doctor role, the Roleblocker is able to prevent night kills. That alone makes them an extremely valuable asset to their party. However, the Roleblocker can do more than just prevent night kills. It can prevent virtually anything as long as it knows where it is coming from. This makes for a much more reliable version of the Doctor (especially late game), and it can even prevent other things than just night kills. In Ace Attorney Mafia for example, I was the Mafia Roleblocker and in that game I roleblocked the Vigilante every single night, rendering that role completely useless for the entire game. Or in ZD Members Vs. Mods, as another example, where I was the Town Roleblocker. In that game, after I had managed to uncover Vergo as the Cult Leader I roleblocked him several times. So while I kept preventing the Cult from growing stronger at night, we were eliminating the Mafia through lynches during the day. Had it not been for that, the Town would have undoubtedly lost that game to both the Cult and the Mafia. So yeah, I think the Roleblocker deserves a lot more praise than it typically gets. It is very high up there. Right beneath the Cop in my opinion.
But I called it just a theory myself. Not a given fact. So please theorise otherwise. But using the strong wording as you did in most of your last posts to me, it doesn't turn into an open discussion, but also heavily debates my trustability. Based on what, just because I dared to consider you might not be town?
This had nothing at all to do with your suspicions on me. It is simply me pointing out that there is no actual base to your theory.