Kokiri>Korok

[Shadow Goris]

You know how in the Cheesewaker, the koroks are the kokiri? And how the kokiri are never age? Well then are the koroks in the cheesewaker the same kokiri in ocarina of cheese? If they are then can you match up what koroks are which kokiri?

[linkman8]

Not necessarily, in fact none of them seem even vaguely familiar.
And I'm not sure it's necessary to include cheese in the titles.

[Inflexus]

Koroks were an evolution of Kokori, therefore it would have taken several thousands of deaths to produce them.

None would necessaraly have to match personality types, as these would have been wiped away with DNA over the course of thousands of years.

[Shadow Goris]

It's zelda don't expect that (crap) in it

[Inflexus]

It's zelda don't expect that (crap) in it

Yeah, I think Zelda can trancend science. Seriously, right? ;)

[MrMosley]

Just because they didn't age dosen't mean they didn't die at some point. Remember the original Wind Sage from WW? He was a Kokiri, and we never saw him anywhere in OoT. Over the years, more Kokiri were born. Some may have died in the flood. Whichever case, the ones in WW, I don't believe, are supposed to be any of the ones in OoT.

[Inflexus]

Just because they didn't age dosen't mean they didn't die at some point. Remember the original Wind Sage from WW? He was a Kokiri, and we never saw him anywhere in OoT. Over the years, more Kokiri were born. Some may have died in the flood. Whichever case, the ones in WW, I don't believe, are supposed to be any of the ones in OoT.

I would have thought that the korok were an evolution because WindWaker would be forced to come after all the other games because the land of Hyrule has been destroyed.

Which means the Korok > Kokori, so the thread has a flawed premise.

[Thewindmaker]

Koroks were an evolution of Kokori, therefore it would have taken several thousands of deaths to produce them.

None would necessaraly have to match personality types, as these would have been wiped away with DNA over the course of thousands of years.


Well.... seeing as The Wind Waker takes place only 100 years after Ocarina of time, your theory is flawed.. And yes I do know that it is a 100 years because in an interview with Eiji Aonuma he revealed that little bit of information.



However becuase the RITO are seen as a evolution of the Zora I do not think it to be that hard to believe that the Koroks are an evolution of the Kokiri.
Seeing as both races can now fly I think that maybe they evolved into speices with wings to enable them to better survive in a world were it is predominatly ocean, and thus allowing them to go to other islands.

Perhaps the Deku Tree in TWW is actully the Deku Sprout from Ocarina of time. Or somewhere down that line.

[Inflexus]

How would natrual selection over the course of 100 years have a negative effect on a species?

Your logic is faulty, if you don't mind me saying so.

[Chrono]

In the fantasy world of Zelda, anything can be possible.

[Inflexus]

In the fantasy world of Zelda, anything can be possible.

And because of this, the most rational explanation must be incorrect, right?

[Alkarius]

Well, After a hundred years, The Kokiri have evolved. But as they are the same of Kokiri's, they aren't. As in, They are Kokiri's, but you won't find Saeia or Mido there. Their time has passed.

[Inflexus]

Who ever said kikori were immortal?

[Chrono]

The KOKIRI stay youthful in the Kokiri Forest. It's said if they leave the forest they age and die.

[Inflexus]

The KOKIRI stay youthful in the Kokiri Forest. It's said if they leave the forest they age and die.

You can stay looking like you're 8 years old and die too.

And if I recall, the forest was on level ground, not a cave in a mountainside. I thought the gods would have recreated the race in a new way and/or forced an evolution, but transplanted the Deku tree. A lot doesn't add up though, it's just a game in the end.

[Shadow Goris]

I got confused and forgot some of the things i was saying O.o So just whatever, the kokiri did evolve into the koroks(even though i don't believe the sort)

[blackice_cc]

Yes, it definite that the Koroks are evolutions of the Kokiri, or maybe when all the other Kokiri died, the great Deku tree decided to create them differently. But it wouldn't make sense that the Deku sprout in OoT would be the Deku tree in WW, because (as Inflexus said) the Kokiri forest was on level ground, not a mountain or something. So maybe the Goddesses used thier power to move the Deku tree onto higher ground, which later became the forest haven.

[Inflexus]

I got confused and forgot some of the things i was saying O.o So just whatever, the kokiri did evolve into the koroks(even though i don't believe the sort)

Yes, that was clearly stated in Wind Waker when they were introduced, I believe. Both groups were referred to as "forest children".

And at you, Blackice, that was the explanation I believe. It is the most rational and it isn't any kind of stretch to believe it.

However the Koroks can freely leave the forest, which the Kokiri could not. I would wonder what allows them to do so, or if that was only a myth used to keep them safe from the dangers in Hyrule Field in Ocarina of Time. I'm a bit rusty with my 64, so I forgot the terms of the "curse" that kept them forest-bound.

[Matthew_79]

Yea im preaty shur the Deku tree in WW is the Deku sprout in OoT.
He says they are his children and once took the forms of Humans (kokiri)
They are magical beings and it would make alot more sence to me if they were orginaly Korok's as they are the deku's children, turn into to kokiri for whatever reason (raising link perhaps) and turned into Koroks again later. Im not saying they can change on the spot. But when the need comes they can change.

Never finished WW so something might turn up later idk.

[blackice_cc]

Yea im preaty shur the Deku tree in WW is the Deku sprout in OoT.
He says they are his children and once took the forms of Humans (kokiri)
They are magical beings and it would make alot more sence to me if they were orginaly Korok's as they are the deku's children, turn into to kokiri for whatever reason (raising link perhaps) and turned into Koroks again later. Im not saying they can change on the spot. But when the need comes they can change.

Never finished WW so something might turn up later idk.

Well, no offense Matthew, but I think that theory is a little bit of a stretch. the most likely thing would be that the form of the Korok's was more convenient in a flooded Hyrule than the form of the Kokiri.

[zeypherlink]

You know how in the Cheesewaker, the koroks are the kokiri? And how the kokiri are never age? Well then are the koroks in the cheesewaker the same kokiri in ocarina of cheese? If they are then can you match up what koroks are which kokiri?
Cheese?

Anyway yes the Kokiri are the Korok. I'm fairly certain the Deku Tree says that the Korok used to have human forms in TWW.

[Matthew_79]

Yes the deku tree said that.

Anyways, I just met the Wind sage in WW and its a kikori, and the whole desndent and instrament deal leads to that one korok (forgot his name)

so that their proves koroks are decedents of Kikori

[Leix]

Indeeeed it would be more convenient. The Koroks can FLY. Kokiri can't. Flood? Koroks fly around to do stuff, like oh I don't know, plant the next generation of the Great Deku Tree. Kokiri? They drown. They do lose immortality when they leave the forest...and then drown.

[Mike Pothier]

I think the whole "leave the forest and you die" was a white lie the Deku Tree told the Kokiri, seeing as Mido was seen on Lon Lon Ranch during the credits.

Anyway, it seems pretty cut and dry to me. The flood comes, the Deku Tree creates a haven for the forest, creatively called Forest Haven, and decides to change the forms of his children.

Lets not overthink this.

[Moosh_is_cool]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:R55z0yL5QPhXTM:http://c-uncut.com/media/zww-misc06.jpg kokori


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JYJK5i3MHv9dVM:http://www.freewebs.com/hehehecool2/korok.bmp korok

notice a similarity?

[Midna666]

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:R55z0yL5QPhXTM:http://c-uncut.com/media/zww-misc06.jpg kokori


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:JYJK5i3MHv9dVM:http://www.freewebs.com/hehehecool2/korok.bmp korok

notice a similarity?

The Deku Tree said that the Korok once took on human form.
How much more proof do you need?

[Zemen]

The Deku Tree said that the Korok once took on human form.
How much more proof do you need?

AND the sage in WW who is a kokori says that one of the koroks is his descendant. he says that actual name of the korok but i forgot his name but nonetheless, a kokori says that a korok is his descendant, the deku tree says that they used to have a different form, they are trying to regrow a forest, and some of them live with the deku tree and they all worship him...sounds an awful lot like the kokori in OoT...

[Master Kokiri 9]

You know how in the Cheesewaker, the koroks are the kokiri? And how the kokiri are never age? Well then are the koroks in the cheesewaker the same kokiri in ocarina of cheese? If they are then can you match up what koroks are which kokiri?

What do you call tp? Cheese Princess or Twilight Cheese? Anywho the koroks are not the same as the kokiri but rather an evolved form of the kokiri. I'll leave it at that.

[Hayzer]

Why bring up evolution at all? We're talking about a FANTASY game about MAGIC. I find it more humorous, than serious...

Picori-->Kokiri-->Koroks. Done. Over with.

Zora-->Rito. Done. Batta bing, badda boom.

That's all the simpler you have to be.

Are they the same? Nope. Nothing points to that at all. They don't even share the same names as any in OoT (except Fado, but Fado was a girl in OoT, and he's obviously male in WW).

[TVTMaster]

Over the years, more Kokiri were born.

Wha? jzgk- bluh? How can- but- children? But how would... that doesn't even... they can't- they never-- wait, can they?- no, that'd be... bwuh?

*spontaneous brain implosion*

[Zarom]

The Koroks are the evolved Kokiris as well as Ritos have evolved from the Zoras.

[Clucluclu]

It is stated that the Kokiri never grow up in OoT, but that only means that they never become adults. They would die as children and breed however they breed as children.

[Skull_Kid]

The Koroks are the evolved Kokiris


This!
It is stated by the Deku Tree that the Kokiri got "deformed" by not having his protection.
Wich means that, they turned into Koroks after the events of OoT, while the Deku Sprout was still growing.
Easy, isn't it?

[Vincent]

This!
It is stated by the Deku Tree that the Kokiri got "deformed" by not having his protection.
Wich means that, they turned into Koroks after the events of OoT, while the Deku Sprout was still growing.
Easy, isn't it?

So... the Deku Sprout didn't have the power to protect the Kokiri... and the essence of the forest turned them into tree people? It's such a radical transformation, there really is no other way to explain it.

[Zarom]

What in hell is that fanfic theory? You don't actually have no proof about it... :huh:

[Master Kokiri 9]

This!
It is stated by the Deku Tree that the Kokiri got "deformed" by not having his protection.
Wich means that, they turned into Koroks after the events of OoT, while the Deku Sprout was still growing.
Easy, isn't it?

He never said that they got deformed. He only said 'the koroks once took on a human form but the move to the sea changed them into what they are now but they are still my beloved children'. Where'd ya get that?

[herooftimewarp]

my question is how do the kokiri reproduce!?!?!?...because on a different thread this guy said he read an articile (spelling) saying the lifespan of the kokiri is 60 years and TWW takes place over 100 years after OOT so they would have to be different kokiri so how were those different kokiri created to become the koroks!?!?:thinking:

[Flute Boy]

your a little off on your science, kokiri do age, in a different way, they're bodys stop aging when they are like 8, then they die at like 110 or sumthin... but you would definately notice a mido among them if they were the same people... and wjy would theyre names change
??

[Pinecove]

your a little off on your science, kokiri do age, in a different way, they're bodys stop aging when they are like 8, then they die at like 110 or sumthin

If you have proof of this statement, I'd like to see it. The Kokiri are NEVER specified to die at a certain age.

[Flute Boy]

i cant remember the websit, but i geuss it wasnt totally acurate information... either way they are not immortal... a lot of immortal people die in movies games etc so, but eventually they die... it would have been funny if link never went on his quest, it would be like the movie elf, where link is like the only human, and the deku tree would be santa!

[Retro Ganon]

I'll post these because it seems relevant to the organic origin and physical nature of the Kokiri/Koroks

GIRL STANDING NEXT TO WATER (OoT)
Oh, you have a fairy now?! That's great, Link!
What?
You've been called by the Great Deku Tree? What an honor!
He may give you a special gift! Tee hee!
That's because the Great Deku Tree is our father, the forest guardian, and he gave life to all us Kokiri!
(talk again)
I wonder if the Great Deku Tree gave life to everything in the forest, I mean in addition to us Kokiri?


Great Deku Tree (TWW)
Koroks! Little children of the woods!
This traveler is not your enemy. Let your
hearts be at ease, and show yourselves!

(Koroks appear)

What do you call yourself?

Link?

Well, then, Link...
These are the Koroks--the spirits of
the forest.

Once upon a time, long ago, the Koroks
took on human forms, but when they came
to live on the sea, they took these shapes.

Now they fear people...but to me, they will
ever be my cherished little children.

As it happens, you have come just in time
for a ceremony that the Koroks hold but
once every year. It is about to begin.

I shall grant the pearl to you once their
ceremony is complete.

I must apologize for the brief delay, but if
the ceremony is not completed soon, an ill
fate could befall us.

So, let it begin! Are you ready, my children?


Maybe we should conclude a distinction between mortal beings that change by the rules of nature and those that are spirits.