FSA, FS, and TMC Place in the Timeline?

[Matthew_79]

Why do People Place FSA, FS, and TMC in the timeline?

We all know the FS is a spinoff so usually thats not in the timeline, but FSA is a sequle to FS is it not?

TMC is also a prequle to FS.

Could you not legetly say They all are part of the Hyrule C, a Spinoff that dosnt actually count.

[Mehplep]

Well... it really depends on what you want to believe in. You can of course put aside the Four Sword-saga completely from the timeline and see it as a spin-off, but it is not impossible to fit in all three games in a normal timeline at all. In fact, many people see it as three installments in the timeline. The perhaps biggest factor is that Ganon appears at the end of FSA, where he claims his weapon he uses in other games, the Trident. But it is fine to exclude them, just as long the theory works.

[Shadow Goris]

To me the only spinoffs are the tingle games(freshly picked tingles rosy rupeeland and tingle's balloon fight).

[Inflexus]

I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that certain games don't fit in on a timeline simply because they don't make sense.

That's why I personally believe there is no great timeline, and this is backed up when you have to remove several games from it just for it to make sense.

[Mercedes]

I wouldn't include them in the storyline.

If so, where would Smash Bros. and Soul Caliber fit into the storyline =P

[Matthew_79]

I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that certain games don't fit in on a timeline simply because they don't make sense.

That's why I personally believe there is no great timeline, and this is backed up when you have to remove several games from it just for it to make sense.

I never said the games made no sense. I said they are spin-offs, as in not part of the serise as in Non-cannon.

[Inflexus]

I never said the games made no sense. I said they are spin-offs, as in not part of the serise as in Non-cannon.

You made the assertion that they were spin-offs and not actual games.

They are actual games.

If you find a statement from Nintendo that says "these are not Zelda games", then I'll admit defeat(well, at least for this point)

[Matthew_79]

Yes they are actuall games,
FS is non-cannon.
This is just asking why are MC and FSA Cannon, even though they are a prequal and sequal to FS

[MrMosley]

I've personally never played FSA, never beat FS, but I always thought that FS was just a way to make the sell of ALttP on GBA better. Make it more fun, if you will. After all, it was really only playable when you were linked with someone. That dosent make it a very accessible game. The main storyline games would have to be completely accessible, and follow the same general single player status as the others. Elsewise, there would be many people who would miss out on a good game just because they were unable to meet the requirements needed to play.

Also, I thought that FSA was a redone, bigger version of FS. I would consider FSA cannon, but not FS. Ganon's presence and story in the game makes it more believable. Althought I greatly disagreed with having to play it using a GBA. That's the reason I never bought it. It seemed more like a "Hey, try this new accessory out!" kinda deal, much like Link's Crossbow Training is for the Wii, advertising the Wii Zapper.

MC is cannon in my view, because there is no real reason for it not to be. It follows the same basic guidelines as all the other Zelda's and can be played by one person using the system itself and no extra add-ons. Majora's Mask and Phantom Hourglass are both spinoff games, cannon because they were sequels to cannon games. But none the less, they are spinoffs from the mainstream storyline. The Oracle Series were also spinoffs, but were cannon.

You can't really consider some canon and some not though, only FS maybe because of its limited accessibility. Cannon games are chosen by how they connect with a general timeline, and since the Zelda series has a confusing timeline, and one that has never been confirmed but guessed at a lot, no game can actually be considerred "cannon". But, since I believe in a timeline, I consider all of them cannon, other than FS. Oh yea, and those CD-i games.

[Matthew_79]

nice post dark, but I dont agrea about MM and PH being spinoffs, you dont call a sequal to a game that.

Its like saying KHCoM was a spinoff of KH1 and 2. but its actully KH1 1/2..... bad example, but hopfully you get my point.

[MrMosley]

nice post dark, but I dont agrea about MM and PH being spinoffs, you dont call a sequal to a game that.

Its like saying KHCoM was a spinoff of KH1 and 2. but its actully KH1 1/2..... bad example, but hopfully you get my point.


I get your point completely. But when talking about Hyrule, Princess Zelda herself, and the Triforce, those two games generally can be considered spinoff games. I may have not been clear on what I consider a spinoff game. And really, I guess you could sort of consider PH a mainstream game, rather than a spinoff.

But my point of the games were basically that they do not follow the same pattern of most others. Its like this: The Legend of Zelda series mostly takes place in Hyrule. It revolves, not around Link, but around what is happening in Hyrule first, and what Link does about it secondly. In OoT, Ganondorf has attempted to take over Hyrule, and Zelda meets Link, who agrees to help stop him. The fact that Link takes part in this story is mere coincidence, although it may have been his "destiny", technically he didn't have to do anything about it, and it still would have happend.

Games such as MM and PH happen after the fact that Ganon is gone. They don't really occur as part of what happens in Hyrule, more than what happens First in connection to Link. MM happens because Link went looking for Navi. Yes, Termina may have been destroyed if Link did not go there. And what was happening to Termina would have happend even if Link didn't go, but the story begins with what happend to Link first. It is Link's separate adventure from what is taking place in Hyrule with Zelda and Ganon.

So, considering Tetra, being Zelda, is in PH, I suppose it could be considered mainstream. But at the same time, it is a separate "what happens next" kinda game that dosen't connect with the main "Ganon is taking over" plot, and other than a drawing on a door, has no connection with the Triforce or Ganon himself.

[Inflexus]

Who said FS isn't canon?

[Shadow Goris]

What's cannon? O.o

[Powerbracelet]

I think FS/FSA/MC is totally part of the series. First, they are about princess zelda and hyrule kingdom, which can't be said for all of the zelda games. Second, Minish Cap seems to be the origin of Link's green hat. I think Minish Cap actually happens first. Then FS/FSA don't really have a distinguished place in the series, but they happen nonetheless, and after MC. Third, they were so freaking epic.

And canon is basically an intended part of the plot they are trying to give. I think all zelda games are part of it, personally.

[Chidori]

I wouldn't include them in the storyline.

If so, where would Smash Bros. and Soul Caliber fit into the storyline =P

Nintendo let HAL and Namco let Link make cameo apperances, only Nintendo make the Canon games.

Anyway, about the post. No, I fully 100% disagree completely. Why? Because Spin-Off or not, they are Nintendo developed Zelda games and I'm sure Nintendo want to make all their games fit into one entire Storyline, there is no reason not to either. Nintendo probably wanted to indicate that Link first got his hat in the Minish Cap, if they wanted to do that then oh boy shuttlecock, why not put it in the actual storyline? This is just the way I and most likely most people see it.

But you forget something, Four Swords could fit almost anywhere in the timeline (I'm not a splitter, I believe there is only 1 Line in the Zelda Timeline), who knows, A Link to the Past and Legend of Zelda could be seperated by 1000 years and Four Swords could be in between and Minish Cap might be before Four Swords and after A Link to the Past. This is just an assumption considering the Four Swords also had A Link to the Past and Legend of Zelda is a game we don't know much about due to it's simple storyline of Ganon getting the Triforce etc.

My ideas are really twisted, the Timeline could turn out to be almost anything, I doubt we will ever find out though. The more Zelda Games Nintendo releases, the more confusing the Timeline, I'm sure they're thinking it could probably resolve something but then... Huff, nobody will ever understand for sure. If Nintendo just release an article revealing the actual Timeline then something is bound to not make sense and fans are either just going to ***** about it or start nitpicking. Ah well, that's the beauty of drama and loyalty.

[Matthew_79]

What's cannon? O.o

Canon means its part of the official timeline and such

Non-canon means its an official game, just not part of the timeline. like a half spin off. EX: Metal Gear Babel

[bob]

I think that these are totaly part of the zelda time line to say there not would be like saying that the wind waker isn't part of the zelda time line it dosn't make sense

[blackice_cc]

Yeah, these titles are definitely canon, and if FS and FSA are proved to not be, then MC is no matter what. MC is just like any classic 2d Zelda, not including AoL.

[Leix]

Anything that uses 'force gems' or whatnot instead of rupees in the Zelda series is immediately non-canon, in my opinion.
Also, Minish Cap's story dosen't really have alot to do with the backstory of FS. One's a four sword, ones a piccori sword.

[Mehplep]

Anything that uses 'force gems' or whatnot instead of rupees in the Zelda series is immediately non-canon, in my opinion.
Also, Minish Cap's story dosen't really have alot to do with the backstory of FS. One's a four sword, ones a piccori sword.
If you play through Minish Cap though, you'll find out that the Piccori Sword, when enchanted with the four elements, actually is the Four Sword. So I would say they have alot in common. Minish Cap must've happened before FS.

[El Bagu]

Well... it really depends on what you want to believe in. You can of course put aside the Four Sword-saga completely from the timeline and see it as a spin-off, but it is not impossible to fit in all three games in a normal timeline at all. In fact, many people see it as three installments in the timeline. The perhaps biggest factor is that Ganon appears at the end of FSA, where he claims his weapon he uses in other games, the Trident. But it is fine to exclude them, just as long the theory works.

I could not agree totally with you. Excluding is never good!!

[Yumil]

All three of these games are a part of the timeline. Zelda Wiki has a nice amount of information on these subjects, and some quotes regarding Four Swords in particular: http://www.zeldawiki.org/Timeline_Quotes. Please note that I do not agree entirely with the additional information on that page. I am simply using the quotes.

It was clearly stated that Four Swords was the first game in the storyline at the time of its release:


Aonuma: The GBA Four Swords Zelda is what we’re thinking as the oldest tale in the Zelda timeline. With this one on the GameCube [(FSA)] being a sequel to that, and taking place sometime after that.

There is a second quote on Zelda Wiki that some people say would make this one false, but I don't see it that way. The second quote was regarding FSA's storyline, not the placement of the original game. If anything, that second quote could only help argue that FSA comes before FS (which I also don't believe is the case).

The Minish Cap is clearly the prequel to Four Swords, which would make it the new earliest game in the series. Leix argued the following:


Also, Minish Cap's story dosen't really have alot to do with the backstory of FS. One's a four sword, ones a piccori sword.

This is not the case. If you finish The Minish Cap then you realize a few things. First off, the Minish/Picori did create a sword, but that sword is destroyed. Your goal is to create a new sword to replace it and that new sword becomes the Four Sword. It even allows you to split into 4 people during the final areas of the game. The Minish Cap is the backstory for Four Swords.

I would say Four Swords comes soon after that, and then we get into Ocarina of Time and the timeline split.

Four Swords Adventure's placement could still be debated, but I would argue that it is close to and/or related to ALTTP because of the geography, the dark world, and the trident that Ganon has. It also does a great job of combining the two series (proving that they belong in the timeline). Vaati is working with Ganon and now Vaati is destroyed. I wouldn't be surprised if the Four Swords series is simply over now.

If it is over, then Four Swords really isn't all that relevant to the storyline, but it still fits in the timeline easily.

[Zemen]

Why do People Place FSA, FS, and TMC in the timeline?

We all know the FS is a spinoff so usually thats not in the timeline, but FSA is a sequle to FS is it not?

TMC is also a prequle to FS.

Could you not legetly say They all are part of the Hyrule C, a Spinoff that dosnt actually count.


first of all, FS was made just as a way to better sell the remake of ALTTP. it was just a multiplayer game for people to enjoy. after it was pretty succesful they decided to make FSA which was a MUCH more expanded game. because FSA was established as a legit Zelda game then they decided to make another with a reason as to why there was this four sword and evil sorcerer in the first place. they went with a story that was working. just like the timeline was never really meant to be but once everything started adding up, nintendo and the creators went with it and started basing games off of a timeline somewhat. FS, FSA and MC definitely belong on the timeline. if you were gonna take any of those games out the only one that would be legit at all to take out would be FS because it was just a fun thing added to a remake.



I wouldn't include them in the storyline.

If so, where would Smash Bros. and Soul Caliber fit into the storyline =P

smash bros. and soul calibur are not made by the creators of the zelda series. the people who made those games got permission to use the chracter in those games just as a fun factor and to see a familiar face. if youre asking where Soul Calibur fits on the Zelda Timeline then you should be asking why Master Chief is fighting random people in Dead or Alive 4 and not out fighting aliens or being cryogenically frozen...

[Alter]

Why do People Place FSA, FS, and TMC in the timeline?

We all know the FS is a spinoff so usually thats not in the timeline, but FSA is a sequle to FS is it not?

TMC is also a prequle to FS.

Could you not legetly say They all are part of the Hyrule C, a Spinoff that dosnt actually count.

I disagree. We do not "all know" that it is a "spinoff". Those Zelda games seemed as real as any, other than the missing Ganon.

Yes, FSA is a sequel to FS. But... TMC is in the middle. Read this- it's the official story from FSA:


"Long ago in the inner reaches of Hyrule, an evil wind sorcerer known as Vaati began kidnapping beautiful young maidens, one after another. Nobody could stop Vaati, and the people of Hyrule despaired.

Then, a brave young wanderer carrying a single sword appeared. When the young lad took out his sword, he split into four separate beings. The legends say that these beings worked as one and defeated Vaati.

The wanderer, united once again, imprisoned Vaati deep in Hyrule and sealed the prison withhis own sword. This place became known as the Realm of the Four Sword.

After that, a long time passed...

Then the wind sorcerer Vaati broke out of his prison, and snatched Princess Zelda of Hyrule. Zelda's childhood friend, a young boy named Link, claimed the strange power of the Four Sword, and fought Vaati fiercely. In the end, he succeeded in sealing Vaati away once again.

And so peace was restored to Hyrule. Or so everyone thought..."

So anyway, FS was the green part, and TMC was the yellow. This is just my theory, but it holds water.

[Zemen]

I disagree. We do not "all know" that it is a "spinoff". Those Zelda games seemed as real as any, other than the missing Ganon.

Yes, FSA is a sequel to FS. But... TMC is in the middle. Read this- it's the official story from FSA:



So anyway, FS was the green part, and TMC was the yellow. This is just my theory, but it holds water.

as i stated in your other thread, this holds no water whatsoever. Zelda is never kidnapped. MC shows the BS of Vaati much like OoT shows the BS of Ganondorf.

i have no idea why you believe in your theory so strongly because it is totally, and utterly false. everyone will agree.

[Alter]

as i stated in your other thread, this holds no water whatsoever. Zelda is never kidnapped. MC shows the BS of Vaati much like OoT shows the BS of Ganondorf.

i have no idea why you believe in your theory so strongly because it is totally, and utterly false. everyone will agree.

Zemen, don't bring that into this thread. I never said anything here about her being kidnapped. Fight what I say here, not what I said there.

Edit: Actually, I did mention kidnapping, but that text is of the official story. I doubt you'll argue with that.

[Zemen]

Zemen, don't bring that into this thread. I never said anything here about her being kidnapped. Fight what I say here, not what I said there.

Edit: Actually, I did mention kidnapping, but that text is of the official story. I doubt you'll argue with that.

whether or not that text is from the manual of FSA does not mean that it is about MC. thats totally YOUR opinion. not a single person will agree with you. that theory is about as good as the theory of link being in Termina because hes high..

[Welbanks]

that theory is about as good as the theory of link being in Termina because hes high..

Dude, thats totally my theory!

No, but seriously though, I do agree with you completely.

Having MC coming after FS just dosent make sense it too many ways for it too work, that text in the manual would have to be a mistake.

The only way the whole Vaati kidnapping girls thing could ever make sense is if some new game came out that had that happen in it, which i highly doubt will happen, but anything possible.