Origins of the Master Sword...and DARK LINK!

[Forlong]

Okay, here's my thoughts on the matter (bare with me, it will take a while).

A young man named "Link" was almost finished training to become a knight of Hyrule. The wizard Agahnim was planning to us a spell on the knights that would turn them against the king. He decided to test it on young Link. The spell did not work as Agahnim intended. Instead of making Link his slave, it imbodied all of Link's evil into a sigle being: Dark Link.

Link, intent on reversing this, went to the Sage of Light Rauru. Rauru informed him that Agahnim sought great powers, and would not be impeded by the knight of Hyrule for long. While the knights kept Agahnim at bay, Link was sent to gather material for the Sage of Fire to forge into a Master Sword.

However, that wasn't quite enough (big shock). Link takes the Master Sword to the Sage of Earth Laruto and the Sage of Wind Fado to make it the Blade of Evil's Bane. He also must find the remaining sages to help defeat Agahnim. Since Link has no evil in his heart, he is the only one who can weild the Master Sword.

Link finds the remaining sages and the strip Agahnim of his powers and Dark Link flees. Link used the Master Sword to inhance the seal over the Sacred Realm, and Rauru imbibed his soul to the blade to aid the next weilder of it.

Anyway, what do you think?

[Chrono]

Everything you just said is pretty much irrelevant to the series itself. Let me explain...

Ok, Agahnim is Ganon's alterego (and was a priest, not a wizard) as shown in A Link to the Past, but that doesnt occur until WAY after Ocarina of Time. Link had nothing to do with the forging of the Master Sword. The Sage of Earth and Wind didnt make an appearance until The Wind Waker, which itself doesnt make sense since the developers took out the Wind Temple and possibly an Earth Temple out of Ocarina of Time during its development.

[PrinceofDarkness]

Everything you just said is pretty much irrelevant to the series itself. Let me explain...

Ok, Agahnim is Ganon's alterego (and was a priest, not a wizard) as shown in A Link to the Past, but that doesnt occur until WAY after Ocarina of Time. Link had nothing to do with the forging of the Master Sword. The Sage of Earth and Wind didnt make an appearance until The Wind Waker, which itself doesnt make sense since the developers took out the Wind Temple and possibly an Earth Temple out of Ocarina of Time during its development.

Yeah I didn't get that either in WW. It's like they just decided to include those sages back into the cannon after OOT. It wouldn't surprise me if they released OOT again with those two sages in there somehow.

[Forlong]

Everything you just said is pretty much irrelevant to the series itself. Let me explain...

Ok, Agahnim is Ganon's alterego (and was a priest, not a wizard) as shown in A Link to the Past, but that doesnt occur until WAY after Ocarina of Time. Link had nothing to do with the forging of the Master Sword. The Sage of Earth and Wind didnt make an appearance until The Wind Waker, which itself doesnt make sense since the developers took out the Wind Temple and possibly an Earth Temple out of Ocarina of Time during its development.
Agahnim
I just used this name for convenience. I always thought he was more than a puppet, but that doesn't need to be discussed. Yes, he is a priest; but it's apparent in gameplay that he's a wizard as well.:oh:

Link
Once again, I'm using that name for convenience. Nintendo might make a game centered on the forging of the Master Sword.

Sages of Wind and Earth
The spirits of the old sages Link saw in the game were the ones who enchanted the Master Sword. King of Red Lions said so. Perhaps they weren't able to pass on their powers for some reason, so the remaining seven sages had to do without them.

[Mehplep]

What Avenged tried to say was that this theory has neither evidence nor value in any sort of Zelda game, it's just random thoughts about the forging of master sword. Yes, it could be true, but it has no point at all really. I can come up with a fancy idea that Ganon's robe was sewed by Raruru in ancient times but he stole it and strated dress up in it because he found it handsome, but that does not imply anything of value. This is just really pointless and not a theory at all.

[The Zelda Master]

interesting fan-fiction er... theory. But, as others ahve said, it doesnt have anything really behind it besides some names. have you played OoT?

[Punchout]

The master sword is in almost all the zelda games so is it possibly the same sword or a diffrent one? If they were the same or diffrent could have a large effect on the whole speculation of the sword.

[The Zelda Master]

The master sword is in almost all the zelda games so is it possibly the same sword or a diffrent one? If they were the same or diffrent could have a large effect on the whole speculation of the sword.

there has been some speculation by some that their could be a false master sword in the oracle games, etc.

[Drache Izan]

Everything you just said is pretty much irrelevant to the series itself. Let me explain...

Ok, Agahnim is Ganon's alterego (and was a priest, not a wizard) as shown in A Link to the Past, but that doesnt occur until WAY after Ocarina of Time. Link had nothing to do with the forging of the Master Sword. The Sage of Earth and Wind didnt make an appearance until The Wind Waker, which itself doesnt make sense since the developers took out the Wind Temple and possibly an Earth Temple out of Ocarina of Time during its development.

He is a Wizard.

[Chrono]

No, read the japanese version of it. Meaning the original version of it.

[ZeroLink]

I've always had a thought that no one could have MADE the Master Sword, because no evil can touch it, and anyone impure wouldn't have been able to forge it.

However, I do believe that the Sword may have been forged by the three Godesses themselves, and placed in Hyrule.

But as Avenged has said, it's really a pointless theory, no one has any evidence to support any of it.

[Chrono]

I believe it was said that the ancient sages forged the Master Sword. I kind of doubt Link is the only pure hearted person in Hyrule anyways.

[Joey Kazooie]

Yeah I didn't get that either in WW. It's like they just decided to include those sages back into the cannon after OOT. It wouldn't surprise me if they released OOT again with those two sages in there somehow.

The best time to do that was probably in the OOT and Master Quest games in the WW special edition. I think they won't release OOT again.

[Leix]

I think it was the sages.
You see, the Master Sword was created for one purpose:
To seal away Ganon.
And then Link broke the seal bla bla bla.
They put it in the form of a sword because it could come in handy if one day Ganon made it back. It happens to be powerful enough to smite Ganon because it had to be that powerful when it was acting as a seal.

Oh yeah, and Ganon created doppleganger Link through the mirror of something. Twilight pehaps.

[Chrono]

The Master Sword was created before Ganondorf existed.

[blackice_cc]

Well I think that Dark Link was created by Ganondorf just to guard the Longshot or something. As for creating the Master Sword, I have no idea. It would help if we new the first game in the timeline that had the Master Sword in it.


The Master Sword was created before Ganondorf existed.

Oh and Avenged, just wondering, how do you know this?

[Leix]

Well fine, it was created to seal off the realm.
And I didn't say Ganondorf, I said Ganon. Ganon has been around much longer than Ganondorf, right? Ganondorf was just a Gerudo possessed/bonded/whatever to Ganon.

[Chrono]

Play Ocarina of Time.

The sword is called The Sword of Evil's Bane, not the sword of Ganon's bane.

It was made to repent evil.

And no, Ganondorf IS GANON.

[blackice_cc]

Well fine, it was created to seal off the realm.
And I didn't say Ganondorf, I said Ganon. Ganon has been around much longer than Ganondorf, right? Ganondorf was just a Gerudo possessed/bonded/whatever to Ganon.

Actually, Ganon is the transformation of Ganondorf into beast form using the Triforce of power. You weren't explaining it very much Avenged, so I decided to.

[Chrono]

Didn't think I truly needed to for something as simple as this.

[proctorFFVII]

In the OoT manga it says that Dark Link is just a shadow that mimicks all it sees.

[Chris]

Everything you just said is pretty much irrelevant to the series itself. Let me explain...

Ok, Agahnim is Ganon's alterego (and was a priest, not a wizard) as shown in A Link to the Past, but that doesnt occur until WAY after Ocarina of Time. Link had nothing to do with the forging of the Master Sword. The Sage of Earth and Wind didnt make an appearance until The Wind Waker, which itself doesnt make sense since the developers took out the Wind Temple and possibly an Earth Temple out of Ocarina of Time during its development.

Ya, you are basically right. But I don't know where he was going with Dark Link, I remember him being created as a result of pulling the four sword from the stone. Though this only happens in Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures.

[imthemailman]

i thought dark link was made when ganon or one of the bad guys takes links shadow out of some kind of mirror and this shadow is dark link thats what i thought but meh

[Midna666]

There is more then one Dark Link.
Theres the Dark Link in OOT.
And the one that comes out of his shadow in Zelda2.
With all the different Dark Links it's hard to come up with a ideas about Dark Link.

[master sword]

Well fine, it was created to seal off the realm.
And I didn't say Ganondorf, I said Ganon. Ganon has been around much longer than Ganondorf, right? Ganondorf was just a Gerudo possessed/bonded/whatever to Ganon.

Ganondorf is just ganon in human(ish) form
or Ganon is ganondorf in gross pig form

[Midna666]

In the OoT manga it says that Dark Link is just a shadow that mimicks all it sees.

The OOT manga is not canon.

[Bluelink6]

Thats true. If its not canon, its not necasarily true. If dark link mimicked all it saw, he would be ever changing.

[MrMosley]

As previously stated, there seems to be many different Dark or Shadow Links in the series. The one at the end of Adventure of Link seemed more like a test to prove your worth of gaining the Triforce of Courage, as he did favor those Wisemen who give you powers. It also makes that sound whenever the Triforce keeper disappears (the same sound whenever you get beefed up with a new magic spell), so I think he was the one who cast the spell to create Dark Link to see if you were really the hero worthy of taking the Triforce.

[LucarioMaster]

As previously stated, there seems to be many different Dark or Shadow Links in the series. The one at the end of Adventure of Link seemed more like a test to prove your worth of gaining the Triforce of Courage, as he did favor those Wisemen who give you powers. It also makes that sound whenever the Triforce keeper disappears (the same sound whenever you get beefed up with a new magic spell), so I think he was the one who cast the spell to create Dark Link to see if you were really the hero worthy of taking the Triforce.

-_- or dark link ( creation of ganon not the member ) is just an illusion in the water temple in oot (rember the room with the fog and a dead tree?) if he isnt an illusion you can beat him (if you hit dark link(ganon creation) he falls in to the floor and reappers from the ceilng and you have to keep doing that proesses to beat him) and get closer to the end of the temple, or he is just a liveing mirror

[Linkmaster]

...uuuuuhhhhhhhh...guys, I know I have no room to but in, but the original discussion was about a theory that, even I must admit sounds very, very, improbable...never mind, you can keep argueing...makes more sense anyways...sorry forlong...

[blackmoon]

About the sages;

My understanding was the Earth and Wind sages played a different role to the other six/seven sages. They're prayers/existance/whatever were what allowed the Master Sword to have the power to repel evil. The other sages seem to play a different role, including wielding a similar sword seemingly used to put evildoers to death(seen in TP). Presumably they have similar origins, but the Master Sword is more powerful as it has the power of the Wind and Earth sages as well.


But I presume the 8/9 sages made it together.