Twili=Sheikah?

[Forlong]

I think that the Twili were Sheikah before they were banished to the Twilight Relm. Midna has red eyes, as confermed Sheikah do. Also the Sheikah were very powerful, yet by the time of "Ocarina of Time", they are very few in number. It could be explained that this is because most were sent to the Twilight Relm. And lastly, Zant's moves seem to be from Monkey Kung Fu, and the Sheikah are the only confermed ninjas from Hyrule and the surrounding area.

[Dabombster]

The Sheikah souldn't have been the Twili. In Twilight Pincess it says that the Twili were banished to live in the shadows because they abused their powers (or something along those lines). The Sheikah spent their lives protecting the Royal Family, not trying to destroy them.

[Forlong]

The Hyleans are not mentioned in the tale of the Twili, so I think it happened before the Hyleans came to the area. However that point does put my theory to question.

[Mehplep]

The Hyleans are not mentioned in the tale of the Twili, so I think it happened before the Hyleans came to the area. However that point does put my theory to question.

So the Sheikah lived in Hyrule, got banned from the land and became Twili, somehow turned back and served the Royal Family when they came, then just quit to start hangin' out with Zant? That just adds less logic to the theory.

[Forlong]

I didn't mean all the Shiekah, just most of them.

[zeypherlink]

It would explain why all the Sheikah but Impa are absent.

[Chrono]

The sheikah are not the twili, and actually the only race that strikes a decent resemblence would be the Gerudo. The shiekah serve the royal family and did not ever try to take over the sacred realm as the twili and gerudo have done.

[Judai]

The Gerudo left and notice on Zant's Armor. He has a Gerudo Symbol on it.

[Abyss Master]

Obviously Sheikah are not Twili, but the Gerudo make more sense. Personally, I wouldn't think so though. Were the dark interlopers taken away before or after OoT, I wonder?

[Forlong]

Just because the Shiekah serve the royal family of Hyrule, it doesn't mean that it was always so. The Shiekah that remained my have sworn to serve the Hyleans to make up for what they had done. The nature of their service is unknown.

The Gerudo being the Twili is an interesting theory. I assume that they at least share some relation to the Twili, and my have learned magic from them. But the high population they have doesn't seem right for a condemned race.

From what I remember in "Twilight Princess", the Twili were banished centuries before the events of the game. Propably over 1000 years.

[The Zelda Master]

What your saying defies logic, as almost all of the Shekieah have died by the time Oot takes place, you can see threir graves in the kakoriko grave yard.

The Interlopers were the twili's descendents, as it was many hundreds of thousands of years before since it take sa long time to devolpe an evolution so they cant survive out of the twilight realm (unless you're Zant who was powered by ganondorf, or Midna with zelda) of course this would be said that evolution in zelda doesnt take a couple hundred years (like the zora to rito bull.)

If the Twili were banished say 1000 years before the game as you said, and they were part sheikiah, then why would the remaining shekiah serve the royal family? They have no connection to the goddessess in any way, their just royal and Hylans who happen to have blabbermouthed daughters named Zelda who tell random kids they just met about their life stories and send them on quests...

Also, the bit about the Gerudo symbol being on Zants armor isnt much, he could have simply done that as Ganondorf does as well have such a symbol on his cape, and was worhsiping his god by adorning himself with that symbol, nothing out of the ordinary... it's like his crusifix.

[Mehplep]

Avenged have created a thread abou the connections between the Twili and Gerudo. Comparing these two threads leaves a crapload of more and better arguments that they were Gerudo. Of course it still could be Sheikah, but more likely Gerudo.

[Chrono]

What your saying defies logic, as almost all of the Shekieah have died by the time Oot takes place, you can see threir graves in the kakoriko grave yard.

The Interlopers were the twili's descendents, as it was many hundreds of thousands of years before since it take sa long time to devolpe an evolution so they cant survive out of the twilight realm (unless you're Zant who was powered by ganondorf, or Midna with zelda) of course this would be said that evolution in zelda doesnt take a couple hundred years (like the zora to rito bull.)

If the Twili were banished say 1000 years before the game as you said, and they were part sheikiah, then why would the remaining shekiah serve the royal family? They have no connection to the goddessess in any way, their just royal and Hylans who happen to have blabbermouthed daughters named Zelda who tell random kids they just met about their life stories and send them on quests...

Also, the bit about the Gerudo symbol being on Zants armor isnt much, he could have simply done that as Ganondorf does as well have such a symbol on his cape, and was worhsiping his god by adorning himself with that symbol, nothing out of the ordinary... it's like his crusifix.


Well, he wore the symbol before meeting Ganondorf and as many know, most Gerudo did in fact see Ganondorf as a god as Zant did (proven in OoT). But mehplep is right, there is a proper thread for the gerudo discussion.

[OCDays]

Hmm, the twili as descendents of Gerudo, well that would at least put a good separation of time between TP and OoT. I don't think Ganon being considered a god has anything to do with him being an ancestor of the twili though, he was an all powerful ball of magicy stuff in the Twilight Realm, but Gerudos were theives, and they could try to steal the Triforce, so not a huge stretch, they did have some magical potential too, just look at Ganon, though that was more the triforce of power, dunno, too many holes.

[Skull_Kid]

And lastly, Zant's moves seem to be from Monkey Kung Fu, and the Sheikah are the only confermed ninjas from Hyrule and the surrounding area.

Zant's moves are much more similar to those of one of the three forms of Majora...

[Zemen]

The Gerudo left and notice on Zant's Armor. He has a Gerudo Symbol on it.

Zant praises Ganondorf, who is a Gerudo. thats most likely why he wears a Gerudo symbol on his armor. he follows Ganondorf who is a Gerudo so he wears their symbol. it doesnt mean he is a Gerudo.

[Chris]

Here is one small observation about the Twili: They look nothing like the Shikah.

Here is a member of the Sheikah

http://www.northcastle.co.uk/archive/history/sheikah.jpg

Here is a Twili person (Zant without mask, though he is still a Twili).

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/zelda/images/thumb/9/96/Zant_without_mask.jpg/200px-Zant_without_mask.jpg

[Japua_<3s_Ralis]

While I think it is possible that the Twili are either the Sheikah or Gerudo. Couldn't they just be another completely. Not a descendant of any race, but just be a race all their own not descended from any of the races in Ocarina of Time, or any other game. The twili could just simply be themselves in their current forms who were banished because they abused the gifts of the gods/goddesses.

[skullkidsreveng]

I highly doubt that the shieki where the "dark interlopers" told by Lanayru as the fortune teller lady in castle town has the shieki elbem on her cloths and has red eyes to acompany that, which means she is likely a shieki and is still in the world of light. Also Impaz refers to her name coming from her great ancestor who is obviosly impa. Becuase Impaz also has red eyes it poroves she is also a shieki. However it could mean that not all the shieki where sent to the twilit realm and and also explains why there are very few actual twilli you see while in the twilit realm, becuase there where very few shieki to send there in the first place.

So yes, it is possible that the shieki and twili are one and the same, but I doubt it.

[Matt]

One of the main arguments for this theory is that the Sheikah have red eyes.

Newsflash: red eyes are everywhere in the series. Having red eyes means nothing in terms of connecting races.

[ZeroJinKui]

i seriously doubt the twili are the sheikah, they just dont look anything alike, and i doubt being banished to another realm would've changed them so drastically, the sheikah look alot like normal hylians, while the twili look nothing like them, midna's true form is the most human looking, but still not a hylian appearance.

also, the twili's buildings look nothing like that of kakariko village, didnt the sheikah build that village? i would also think they'd have some symbols of the sheikah around the twilight palace, but i dont recall seeing anything of the like...

theres not much similarity between the two other than them both being ancient and secretive, not to me, anyway...

[Skull_Kid]

As stated before, it is more likely that the Twili are the Gerudo, than being the Sheikah... But they're probably another race, even thought the Gerudo symbol on Zant's armor is a bit suspicious

[blackice_cc]

i seriously doubt the twili are the sheikah, they just dont look anything alike, and i doubt being banished to another realm would've changed them so drastically, the sheikah look alot like normal hylians, while the twili look nothing like them, midna's true form is the most human looking, but still not a hylian appearance.

also, the twili's buildings look nothing like that of kakariko village, didnt the sheikah build that village? i would also think they'd have some symbols of the sheikah around the twilight palace, but i dont recall seeing anything of the like...

theres not much similarity between the two other than them both being ancient and secretive, not to me, anyway...

Well, if the Sheikah are the Twili, I don't think you'd find many similarities. They could've been banished ages ago, and that would have given them time to adapt to their new realm. And if it was so many years after they were banished that the events of TP happened, they themselves might have forgotten that they used to be Sheikah. Yes, it's probably more likely that the Twili are the Gerudo, but I don't see many similarities between them either.

[Japua_<3s_Ralis]

The Gerudo left and notice on Zant's Armor. He has a Gerudo Symbol on it.

That would make sense except for the fact that when you go into the Twilight Realm all of the Twili that you see, except for Midna, are male. Also he could've had the symbol put on his armor as a sort of blessing or hommage to his god, Ganondorf.

[Bluelink6]

i seriously doubt the twili are the sheikah, they just dont look anything alike, and i doubt being banished to another realm would've changed them so drastically, the sheikah look alot like normal hylians, while the twili look nothing like them, midna's true form is the most human looking, but still not a hylian appearance.

also, the twili's buildings look nothing like that of kakariko village, didnt the sheikah build that village? i would also think they'd have some symbols of the sheikah around the twilight palace, but i dont recall seeing anything of the like...

theres not much similarity between the two other than them both being ancient and secretive, not to me, anyway...

That's true. it was originally a sheikah villiage.

[blackice_cc]

That would make sense except for the fact that when you go into the Twilight Realm all of the Twili that you see, except for Midna, are male.

Where do you get that? We see nothing whatsoever to tell us that all of those Twili are male. And you can't compare them to the humans in the game, because they're a totally different species.

[Skull_Kid]

Blackice has a point, buti might add up that i laughed at the twili's dumb appearance... But Zant is clearly a male, and we all know that Gerudo chicks only breed a male ever 100 years... Unless.... Being on the Twilight Realm changed that aspect