Age of the Characters..

[Zemen]

I'm not sure if anyone will feel the same way, but I'm a little concerned on Nintendo's decision on the continuity of Niko in this game. Are we 100% sure that it's Niko? My point is the for the entire series I think that the physics of Hyrule has seemed so similar to that of our world. By that I mean that there is gravity, living creatures need water and food, and it seemed as though the characters aged at the same rate as us. If this old Niko really is Niko then that would make him borderline too old to be alive, especially considering that the Zelda series doesn't necessarily seem to have hospitals and medicine to keep old people alive. I understand that there are old people in other games, but we have never known the BS of those old people whereas we know that if this character is Niko then he is definitely at an age that he shouldn't be alive at.

Does anyone else have this concern? It kind of blows my mind about the capabilities of Nintendo being able to "make things work" when they probably shouldn't work. As much as I enjoyed WW, I think that the characters in WW should stay in the past. Tetra was a salty sea-dog and that's what I loved about her. I would hate for her to be a sweet old woman that should probably be dead.

Anyway, that was a little straying off the subject. I just hope that this doesn't disappoint me too much. I don't like the idea of past and present colliding, especially in a game that isn't a direct sequel.

[sign of table]

There's been crazier things in Zelda :P

And if ST does take place 100 years after PH, then Niko would be like 125 years old at the most. Which, while incredibly old, is still possible by our standards.

[Zemen]

There's been crazier things in Zelda :P

And if ST does take place 100 years after PH, then Niko would be like 125 years old at the most. Which, while incredibly old, is still possible by our standards.

The key words there are possible bye our standards.

We're talking about a game that seemingly takes place during (a very long) medieval period. I have never seen any hospital or anything in the series and the closest thing to medicine are potions (which seem more for injuries, not diseases) and fairies which have basically the same properties as potions except they bring Link back to life (but from death caused by physical pain).

As far as we know, there is nothing in the game that prolongs life (other than a wish from the triforce, being some sort of demon, etc..).

My point is that logically, there seems to be no way that Niko could live that long, especially without technology to heal "old age"

[0o0oAdamo0o0]

I think people just need to realize Zelda is a fantasy game, and anything the developers want, goes. If you want to say back in the Medieval period, people wouldn't have lived to be 125, then you should say back in the Medieval period, a race made up of all females, with a male every 100 years (Gerudo) wouldn't be able to survive. A race made up of all males (Gorons) wouldn't be able to survive.

Plus, the Hylians aren't human, who's to say their average lifespan is 150 years old?

[Luminary]

Oh, I don't know, I'm willing to stretch regular characters ages to around 200 as long as they are elderly and frail with it.

Also: a wizard did it.

[Zemen]

I think people just need to realize Zelda is a fantasy game, and anything the developers want, goes. If you want to say back in the Medieval period, people wouldn't have lived to be 125, then you should say back in the Medieval period, a race made up of all females, with a male every 100 years (Gerudo) wouldn't be able to survive. A race made up of all males (Gorons) wouldn't be able to survive.

Plus, the Hylians aren't human, who's to say their average lifespan is 150 years old?

The Hylians ARE humans... In fact, I'm sure on more than one occasion Ganon/dorf refers to Link (or other Hylians) as being just human or something along those lines.

I'm sure SoJ can answer this for me, but isn't there a game where the characters are only referred to as humans? I think it's MC that refers to the Hylians as humans throughout the game.

Also, the Gerudo (race of all females with one male every 100 years) live on because they have Hylians boyfriends that they mate with. This is common knowledge.

Also, we have no idea what the Goron anatomy is like. They could be A-sexual.

And who is to say that their average lifespan isn't 150 years old? The games, seeing as how none of the games ever feature a super old version of a previous character.

It just rubs me the wrong way. If the game is not a direct sequel, then it shouldn't feature past characters (other than enemies, of course).

Also, saying a wizard did it would raise more questions, such as..

1. Why not make WW Link "immortal" like Niko so that he can go on to rule the land he helped create?
2. Why not have a wizard that powerful bestow the new Link with great powers to help him defeat the Demon King?
3. Why not have this wizard fight the Demon King himself?


I think we all know that Nintendo, and the Zelda series, can come up with better story lines without having to throw bullcrap like "Niko is alive because of a great wizard" in there.

[Megamannt125]

I think we should consider that it was Nintendo of America that said it was 100 years later, and that was a while back too, isn't it possible that it doesn't take place 100 years, but rather, maybe like 60?

[Zemen]

I think we should consider that it was Nintendo of America that said it was 100 years later, and that was a while back too, isn't it possible that it doesn't take place 100 years, but rather, maybe like 60?

The only way they could have messed up the translation is by mistranslating hundreds of years into 100 years, which they've done before. I'm hoping they have a good enough translator that can differentiate something as basic as years. Also, if it were only 60 then there would be many other characters from WW/PH and that doesn't seem like enough time for there to have been a war between a Demon King and for a kingdom to be made. 100 years is even stretching it.

If they did mistranslate and the game is supposed to be hundreds of years later then that would cause more problems with Niko being in it.

Are we 100% sure that it's THE Niko? Could it be a son, or relative of him or something?

[Megamannt125]

The only way they could have messed up the translation is by mistranslating hundreds of years into 100 years, which they've done before. I'm hoping they have a good enough translator that can differentiate something as basic as years. Also, if it were only 60 then there would be many other characters from WW/PH and that doesn't seem like enough time for there to have been a war between a Demon King and for a kingdom to be made. 100 years is even stretching it.

If they did mistranslate and the game is supposed to be hundreds of years later then that would cause more problems with Niko being in it.

Are we 100% sure that it's THE Niko? Could it be a son, or relative of him or something?Or, maybe at the time of Nintendo saying that it was 100 years later, Niko wasn't in the game yet, i'm pretty sure the game wasn't completely done back then.

[Zemen]

Or, maybe at the time of Nintendo saying that it was 100 years later, Niko wasn't in the game yet, i'm pretty sure the game wasn't completely done back then.

They would have told us if it was changed...

The game DOES take place 100 years after WW. End of story. Try coming up with a new theory.

[0o0oAdamo0o0]

The Hylians ARE humans... In fact, I'm sure on more than one occasion Ganon/dorf refers to Link (or other Hylians) as being just human or something along those lines.

Except they aren't.

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Human

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Hylian

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Hylian

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Human

Hylians predate the Humans in the Zelda universe. They aren't the same race.

[Zemen]

Except they aren't.

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Human

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Hylian

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Hylian

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Human

Hylians predate the Humans in the Zelda universe. They aren't the same race.

Haha... did you read the aricles that you posted?

The very first line of the Hylian page on ZeldaWiki says this, and I quote...

"The Hylians are a race of humans from the country of Hyrule."

You disproved yourself by trying to disprove me...

[0o0oAdamo0o0]

Haha... did you read the aricles that you posted?

The very first line of the Hylian page on ZeldaWiki says this, and I quote...

"The Hylians are a race of humans from the country of Hyrule."

You disproved yourself by trying to disprove me...

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Gerudo

Says Gerudo are humans too. I guess Gerudo and Hylian are the same race.

Humans aren't Hylian. Hylians are a chosen race by the Gods with magic. Humans aren't. Even in TP, Shad says Hylians are the closest race to the Gods. In that game, most of the people are referred to as Human. If they were the same thing, why wouldn't Shad just say Humans are the closest race to the Gods?

[Zemen]

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Gerudo

Says Gerudo are humans too. I guess Gerudo and Hylian are the same race.

Humans aren't Hylian. Hylians are a chosen race by the Gods with magic. Humans aren't. Even in TP, Shad says Hylians are the closest race to the Gods. In that game, most of the people are referred to as Human. If they were the same thing, why wouldn't Shad just say Humans are the closest race to the Gods?

Humans are a race while ethnicities are a subrace. I am human, but I am American/Swedish/Germa/Israeli.

They are called Hylians/Hyruleans because they are from Hyrule. I am called American because I am from the United States of America. Gerudo is more an ethnicity than a race. They are humans, so are Hylians.

As for your question about Hylians being the closest race to the Gods, I could compare that to the olden days. White people are humans. Black people are humans as well, but a long time ago white people were considered to be much more important than black people even though they are both humans.

Also, The only major differences between regular humans and Hylian humans are the pointy ears and use of magic, which the only Hylians we ever really see use any magic are Zelda and Link.

[NorthApple]

To bring it back on topic: I noticed that in gametrailers' video they talked to someone from Nintendo of America (I'll find out who afterwards) and he only said it takes place "some time" after PH. The official site also never specifically mentions 100 years later, instead saying "for many years". If it was something that specific, wouldn't you think it would still be mentioned now? The 100 years came from an early interview that could easily have been a rounded figure, and Nintendo could have fiddled with a few things since that got said.

The official Japanese site also clearly names him as Niko, so it's him alright. I think it's highly possible (and I nice touch) some of the previous characters are in this game too :)

[Lan_Hikari]

To bring it back on topic: I noticed that in gametrailers' video they talked to someone from Nintendo of America (I'll find out who afterwards) and he only said it takes place "some time" after PH. The official site also never specifically mentions 100 years later, instead saying "for many years". If it was something that specific, wouldn't you think it would still be mentioned now? The 100 years came from an early interview that could easily have been a rounded figure, and Nintendo could have fiddled with a few things since that got said.

The official Japanese site also clearly names him as Niko, so it's him alright. I think it's highly possible (and I nice touch) some of the previous characters are in this game too :)

I believe that a few site owners have gotten their hands on the game and they said that it does take 100 years after PH because apparently it's stated in the beginning...but of course this can be wrong as I'm not 100% sure of this information as I don't remember where I heard it from.

Also, a magazine got their hands on the game and have said that a few other returning character from WW/PH are coming back along with Niko.

[Shadsie]

Oh, I don't know, I'm willing to stretch regular characters ages to around 200 as long as they are elderly and frail with it.

Also: a wizard did it.


Luminary knows TVTropes!

Oh, the hours that wiki has stolen from my life.... all the useless information.

I found out two days ago that something I created was cited there, too... a very old fanfiction I did for an obscure anime series (Haibane Renmei) was cited under one of the Fan Fiction examples indexes. I was stupidly exctactic. Anyway...

I'm willing to suspend disbelief on aging for the people of Hyrule (and other territories in their world). Some of the Hylian old men and women seem to be really, really old or are implied as such if I'm remembering correctly. I was playing a bit of Oracle of Ages today when I had a few spare minutes and met a Goron who spoke about a shop his *father* used to run - you find it when you go into the past and it is stated earlier in the game that the era you go to for Labrynna's past is *400 years ago* - so, apparently, some Gorons are nearly as old as the hills they live in...

Again, back to the more "human" type beings, I'd attribue a bit of magic to the ages of some of them. I mean, this is a world where you can heal wounds by drinking milk. This is a world where you can *float* safely from a several-story drop by *grabbing onto a chicken.* This is a world where there are little winged defibulators (fairies) flying around everywhere! I don't think Hyrule needs health care reform because they have all kinds of magic for that.

Why worry about heart disease when you can go to a spring and find a friendly fairy? Why worry too much about the normal bits of aging that spell the end for people that much with those kinds of things around? Of course, the magic probably gets drained out so that people aren't immortal, but I imagine stretching of age occurs.

[Zemen]

^Yes, but there have never been any sequels made that have the same exact character from a previous game (unless it was a monster/antagonist as they seem to live on forever).

ST is NOT a direct sequel yet it has continuing characters? I just don't like the idea of that.

[MohakVaati]

Yeah, I don't like it that much either. I mean, golly, they're pushing the limits. Well at least link isn't and old guy though, I would be pretty darn mad if he was...

[Megamannt125]

^Yes, but there have never been any sequels made that have the same exact character from a previous game (unless it was a monster/antagonist as they seem to live on forever).

ST is NOT a direct sequel yet it has continuing characters? I just don't like the idea of that.Star Wars episode 4 is a direct sequel to episode 3, yet the characters are completely different, with the exception of Obi Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader (Anakin), and Yoda, who are all old now, the main character in the fourth episode is not the same main character in the previous one, yet it follows the story years afterwards, Spirit Tracks takes the same exact path, it has recurring characters, and takes place after Phantom Hourglass, it is a direct sequel, and if not DIRECT, then a sequel none the less, therefore it is not unlikely that there is returning characters, this is just the first time Nintendo has placed such a long time period between 2 games, yet have returning characters.

[Gohma]

Zemen, I so agree with you =="
I don't want to see WW characters in ST, they shouldn't be there. Tetra was a young cute pirate, and I really don't want to see her old. I prefer to think that this is another generation, like "Niko's son", or "Tetra's daughter"... Look, Niko's even older than her, how could he still be alive?! Hylians or humans, only Koume and Kotake managed to live that old...
...
Really, I don't like that. This is gonna kill the characters. Tetra is perhaps my favorite character in the whole "video game universe". Don't kill her that way.

[Zemen]

Star Wars episode 4 is a direct sequel to episode 3, yet the characters are completely different, with the exception of Obi Wan Kenobi, Darth Vader (Anakin), and Yoda, who are all old now, the main character in the fourth episode is not the same main character in the previous one, yet it follows the story years afterwards, Spirit Tracks takes the same exact path, it has recurring characters, and takes place after Phantom Hourglass, it is a direct sequel, and if not DIRECT, then a sequel none the less, therefore it is not unlikely that there is returning characters, this is just the first time Nintendo has placed such a long time period between 2 games, yet have returning characters.

Except episode 4 only takes place like 30 years after episode 3, not 100 years after which would long exceed the life expectancy of humans... That analogy doesn't work at all because the 2 movies have a reasonably small amount of time in between them to allow for previous characters to still be around. ST takes place 100 years later, and Nintendo has seemed to portray Hylians having the same life expectancy as us until now. I don't like that. This game is not a direct sequel because it doesn't feature the same Link. In my mind, if the same Link isn't featured, then no previous characters from a previous Link's generation should be featured. It's just as bad as if they did have the previous Link in the same game as the current Link. I would hate it, and I think a lot of other people would too.

[zelda1947]

This is to Megamannt125, you dont need a game boy, just get a game cube with the adapter so you can play those games you want, I play them all the time on my game cube.

[ironknuckle1]

how do we not know that in that time niko died and had a son by the same name we dont but im guessing that niko is just really old

[Zemen]

how do we not know that in that time niko died and had a son by the same name we dont but im guessing that niko is just really old

Well, if this were the case then this new Niko would most likely not be this old. However, it's something to keep in mind. I think it's already been confirmed that it's the same Niko, but maybe we will be surprised.

[Gohma]

Look, it's possible that Niko (who is older than Link and Tetra) had a children right, or a few time after the events of PH...
The same for Tetra, let's say she had a children at 20, then her child would still be about 80 years old in ST...
It's 100 years after PH, it's completly possible that it is a new generation.

[Zemen]

I agree, but that still doesn't change the fact that it seems to be confirmed to be the same Niko and there has even been talk that other past characters from WW/PH will be in this game. It would make sense to be a child of Niko or something, but who knows. We will just have to wait and see. I'm hoping it's a child of the original Niko.

[Oathkeeper95]

Lets just say that hylians lifespans are longer than usual and be done with it. Lineback, jolene, koume , and kotake are all 100+ years old too you know! Besides, who says that tetra being all old will ruin her charecter? For all we know she can be those sarcastic angry grandmas that are hilarious to listen to.

I for one, dont really mind that much that Nikos coming back ,and if other charecters comeback as well then so be it. Hopefully this will be the perfect oppurtunity to add a series of inside-jokes that you have to play the other games to know about.

And one last thing. This IS the second/third generation you guys! Have you even seen that one guy Alfonso, the one that looks so much like Gonzo. They even have the same tatto!!

[Gohma]

I just hope it will remain an "easter egg" or something, I don't want those old characters to be implied too much in the main story. If nothing clear is said about their past, everyone would be able to make his own theory.

[Btw, as I didn't find any thread about this yet, why is the forum so ugly now?]

[Zemen]

I just hope it will remain an "easter egg" or something, I don't want those old characters to be implied too much in the main story. If nothing clear is said about their past, everyone would be able to make his own theory.

[Btw, as I didn't find any thread about this yet, why is the forum so ugly now?]

Agreed, I don't want the old characters to be a big part of this new adventure.

Also, they currently updating the forum software and have to use this default template until the software is fully updated. Then they will be able to make their own custom template again.

[Avilink777]

In the beginning, Byrne calls Alfonzo "Just Human" Doesn't that proves that they are HUMANS not of a different race. The Locomos can stay really really old until they decide it is time to depart to the spirit world.Alfonzo,Link,Niko,Tetra, and all the rest are humans (with long ears) just in an alternate Universe other than our Universe.Zelda says that her family arrived a century (100 years)ago.Soooooo...Niko is extremely ooooold and had no children if you can recall that he told link that he looked like an old friend of his, and he got the swordmans scroll 1 from a old friend, and the shield of antiquity...from an old friend.Soooooooooooo(again) It's Niko, He's extremely old and he had no children, and was Living with...'Ehem' Roomating with someone who looks exactly like link and is not related whatsoever to him.END OF STORY.

[Frufrumccoy]

Niko is not a member of the human race. He is a HYLIAN... How long do hylians live?