Ganon/dorf?

[Caleb, Of Asui]

So, we know that Nintendo has a tendency to make Ganon or Ganondorf reappear in a lot of Zelda games. Granted, he is a huge part of the overall plot, but he did kind of steal Zant's thunder in Twilight Princess. The question here is, do you think Ganon or Ganondorf will reappear in Spirit Tracks, if so will he pull another Zant on us, and most importantly, WHY do you think he will or will not be in Spirit Tracks?

[Megamannt125]

I think not, he'll most likely stay stuck in stone for all eternity, if they did bring him back though it'd be interesting, it'd be the first Ganondorf to appear in a 2D game (well 2.5D sort of), but for some reason I want Vaati, on the AT he never broke free from the four sword.

[Zarom]

I don't think Ganondorf will reappear in Spirit Tracks. I think he could be resurrected, since he died in WW, but I'm not sure... I think his soul his seal within the Master Sword in the bottom of the sea. He has become an ordinary rock at the sea's bottom.

They could put another Zant, but I don't think they will do it. Because it would like too the same as Zant...anyway...

[basement24]

I don't believe he will appear at all in the game. The reason why I think this is because PH really could have been a more direct sequel to TWW and instead they moved in a very opposite direction. They acknowledged TWW's story, but beyond that they went beyond it and what could (and should...?) have been dealt with in a sequel.

Because of the nature of PH in relation to TWW, I think ST will continue to evolve away from the story that was set up in TWW. I also believe this because it's been a good amount of time since TWW occurred, and the DS is now a brand-new audience of gamers. There's many a person who only own the DS as a gaming system, so to bring back a major plot element from TWW to an audience who may never have played it seems to be an unlikely move for the new "Casual Nintendo" company motto.

I think the main console titles are where we will now get most of our die-hard fan answers and nods whereas the handhelds will stray to the more casual audience who hasn't always followed the story at large.

Of course, I'm not saying I WANT it to be this way, but rather it just seems to be the direction it's headed.

[Caleb, Of Asui]

Yes, they do definitely seem to be going off on a different plot about the phantoms for the DS games. We do know that the phantom in the Spirit Tracks trailer is, indeed, a phantom, and not just a random person (would have to be a character, probably) in similar armor - an "armor-clad warrior" as the non-Zelda-savvy trailer people have called it.

You point out how Phantom Hourglass followed a different kind of plot, unrelated to what we already know of Zelda. Granted, it IS a direct sequel in the Zelda series. Rarely are the direct sequels related to the overall plot. It's natural for a direct sequel to tell its own stand-alone story, whereas Spirit Tracks is a distant sequel with a new generation of characters. Whatever happens there is bound to be related to the overall plot - or, at least what's soon to become the overall plot on the Adult Timeline.

[basement24]

Rarely are the direct sequels related to the overall plot.

This is very true, but I think the disappointment lies in the idea that there were so many questions from TWW and places they could go with the idea of a search for a new Hyrule, and the way it was handled was somewhat flat in comparison to what it could have been.

This isn't to say that I didn't enjoy PH, or that I don't think ST will be a good game, but they seemed to ahve strayed so far from the original concept already that I can't see them returning to the original story ideas set up in TWW.

So, since the initial TWW story was somewhat abandoned, I don't really see them revisiting Ganon/dorf as they have moved on from that storyline.

[Anthony]

Personally, I think Ganon/Dorf has been used too many times, it's becoming a pattern, which ruins Zelda Games.

If Ganon/dorf was to return, I think he would probably use another Zant on us.
He would not reveal himself directly again.
I would prefer to have another Zelda Villain return, such as Vaati, who was a quite underrated Villain.

If Nintendo was to re-use Ganon/dorf it would take the appeal of Spirit Tracks for me, I'd like to see a different Villain return this time, Not Ganon/dorf again.

[Caleb, Of Asui]

Personally, I think Ganon/Dorf has been used too many times, it's becoming a pattern, which ruins Zelda Games.

RUINS Zelda games?! The shnap?! The last I checked, Ganon was a main plot element. The overall story is about Ganon's actions in seeking the Triforce. Just because he came in rather unannounced in Twilight Princess doesn't mean that his very presence disrupts the flow of the plot - his presence essentially is the flow of the plot - though, yes, it has been pointed out that the Adult Timeline, with Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, does seem to be going in quite a different direction. For that side of the timeline at least, the focus is shifting more towards the phantoms.

[Zeruda]

To be honest, I really don't have any idea. I'm hoping that he'll return, mainly because the whole bit about him turning into stone at the end of TWW (essentially, becoming the pedestal for the MS) really made it possible for him to be brought back centuries later. And, lookie that, Spirit Tracks is centuries later.

I'm kind of leaning towards thinking that he might pull an Agahnim on us, where he's manipulating Hyrule through a puppet/alter-ego of sorts. It's really him, but nobody knows. I mean, that's similar to what they did with Zant, but Zant was actually a separate entity. I have this inkling of a feeling that they'll want to keep the surprise aspect going on without the overrused "[Character] is actually the [princess/important role]!". I mean, come on, OoT, TWW, TP, PH... By now, we can all assume that they're going to do something like that again, but I have a feeling they might try to pull it off with Ganon, mainly because ever since OoT (and even more so in TWW), they've been trying to thicken his character background.

But, I don't know.... they might be rid of him for a long while on that side of the timeline. We might end up with a barrage of new villains like Bellum and whatnot. It's not like Ganon is really necessary on that side of the timeline anymore, but he is still a vital part of the series. It could really go either way, so I haven't any clue. All I can do is hope that they revive him in some way that adds a little more originality to the games. I feel like they've reached a plateau on that side of the timeline, so I'd really like to see him come back with more spark.

[Durion]

I believe that it is possible that he will make another turn but I don't think he will be pulling another Pawn strategy, I think this time if he is involved it will be directly him and no one else.

Although I do believe that it won't happen....It wouldn't really bother me, Although it took from the greatness of Zant It also added back the fact that he was power hungry.

As I said before...if this did happen it would never bother me, It would just be another Zelda to play and have fun with (although I don't know if I will with this game).

[Clucluclu]

I think that Ganon is dead in WW. I think that there will be a Zant, or maybe a reintroduction of the Nightmare, Bellum, of Vaati. These would be nice to see as major villans, and probably help the timeline.

[Twilight Prince]

I personally hope they come out with a new evil. I can't stand to play another game with Ganon. I agree with Clucluclu I hope they bring back one of the older evils or create an entire new person. Ganon has become the bee that never leaves, just annoys you. So I really really hope that they forget about Ganon for awhile, and bring someone/something else to the game.

[ironknuckle1]

I think this new game will be on a complete different part of the timeline far before Windwaker and all the games having to due with the sea . I think that Ganon will make a reappearance in some way like he did in Four Swords Adventure by making you think that something like Vaati is the real terror while Ganon gets everything planned out.

[John Smith]

Well, I thought Ganon/dorf wasn't in Phantom Hourglass because it was a sequal to Wind Waker and he was defeated then. I don't know if Spirit Tracks will follow that idea, but I don't think so.
Although the animation is silmilar in Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, and Spirit Tracks, I don't think Spirit Tracks will be as closely knitted with Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass. Spirit Tracks doesn't appear to be in a flooded hyrule ocean, so I think it will carry a different theme. I think we will see more of Toon Ganondorf, either in Spirit Tracks or in a future game.
Remember, Legend of Zelda and Adventure of Link were close-knitt and Adventure of Link was a direct sequel to the original. Ganon still played a role, as his minions sought to kill link and revive Ganon. This was evidently an important role because the Game Over screen said "Return of Ganon".
Who is to say the former Ganondorf that is now a rock won't be revived?

[Werewolfy]

I have nothing to base a thought of this off, yet, really. On one hand, TWW had Ganondorf as the main bad guy. On the other hand, PH had Bellum. Now, I suppose it's more likely to be Ganondorf than anyone else given this, but how do we know that Nintendo won't add another guy?

If they do decide to add another villain to the Zelda franchise, they should not pull another Zant. I liked Zant, up until he was revealed to be an overly-reliant, whiny brat. He seemed cool, genuinely evil, and powerful, up until he took his mask off at the end. Then he just became pathetic.

Now, I wouldn't be against Ganondorf in ST, per se, but I also wouldn't be against a new bad guy. Either way, it has to be done right, and not like TP.

[Master Kokiri 9]

Personally I already see Ganon/dorf pulling another Zant on us. It's the only possible way I can see him coming back on the At. Although personally speaking Ganondorf didn't steal Zant's thunder in Twilight Princess for me. If anything Ganondorf gave Zant more personality. But that's kust my personal opinion. I HAVE ANTICIPATION!

[Silver]

I believe Ganon/Ganondorf will most likely appear in the Spirit Tracks,well because I remember reading somewhere that Spirit Tracks is a 100 years after Phantom Hourglass. (Not sure if any one has said that already)

Also hence the steam train, but that does not explain the steam boat in Phantom Hourglass!

[HerosDescendant]

I think Ganondorf is gone for all eternity, sealed underneath the sea by the Master Sword. Maybe he could be resurrected in the future, but probably when the Zelda history hits modern times.

They call the games main antagonist the "Demon King". For certain reasons, this makes me think of Majora. Because I have my own theory about him, that he is the God of Darkness and that he was sealed with chains, much like how this demon king is supposed to be sealed underground by chains that extend across the land by the spirits, whom I assume to be the light spirits due to the tears of light appearing in the game.

So I think that the games antagonist is going to be Majora, and not the weak form he took in MM, but his TRUE, most powerful form.

[Roxas20]

I also do believe that there's a good chance Ganon/dorf will appear in Spirit Tracks. Would be great if he did. There's a 50% chance that he will. I mean the whole "Demon King" being ressurected, and Zelda being killed/body supposed to be sacrificed in Spirit Tracks speaks for itself.

[zeldamaster2]

the story in spirit tracks says that the people had deal with a demon king...

hmm.. that sounds like ganon/dorf to me but thats my opinion

[0o0oAdamo0o0]

Guess I should put a spoiler warning on my post to be safe now...

SPOILERS!

I was just on Zelda Universe, and someone brought up a good point about Ganondorf not being in Spirit Tracks. Basically, most of the arguments for Ganondorf being in ST is that the Demon King sounds like a description of Ganondorf. However, a person on ZU said the Spanish ST website says something different. It says

"Mallard va a escapar de su prisión y pronto volverá a asolar la tierra."

Mallard is going to escape his prison. However, on the front page of the ST website, it says "El malvado rey de los demonios." In English, "The evil king of demons." I think that's enough evidence to throw out the idea that Ganondorf is the Demon King.

Edit: Gamefaqs and ZU basically have even more proof backing this up now. At first the name Mallard seemed strange since Mallard is a kind of duck, but then people found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LNER_Class_A4_4468_Mallard

And now the name Mallard ties in nicely with the other characters in ST.

[Midna666]

I hope that Ganondorf is not in the game. This game's suppose to take place in a New Hyrule, right? So I think that it should have a new evil villain.
If Ganondorf attacks this new Hyrule, then what was the purpose of destroying the old one? Wind Waker seemed to end Ganondorf's story. If Ganondorf's in this game then what was the point of WW?

[Hayzer]

I don't know. After seeing that new demon train, I'm starting to think it's Ganondorf incarnate.

We'll just have to wait and see now won't we?

[mandym287]

I believe that Chancellor Cole did the same thing to Ganondorf as he did Zelda—separating his spirit from his body, which is still frozen in stone. They refer to him being chained down because he is petrified and shouldn’t have physical control over a being. Ganondorf just decided to overshadow a train until the Chancellor brings him Zelda’s body to possess, which will grant him the right to own Hyrule. That is probably why the train glows in the same way that Phantom Ganon did. And the Spirit Tower may be the Tower of the Gods in some way or another, which may explain why the Spirit Tracks linked to this tower are disappearing since Hyrule is sealed beneath it. That is just my opinion; what I think would be an explanation for his possible return.

[Axle the Beast]

I do not personally believe he will appear in Spirit Tracks, but it's possible and I could easily be wrong.

I don't personally think the Demon King train thing looks much like Ganon. It has some mild similarity, but I don't see much of a resemblance. Also, Ganondorf was practically killed in Wind Waker. He was pierced through the head, turned to stone and left at the bottom of the sea. However, Ganon has come back from the dead before, and the idea of "reviving the Demon King" does sound a bit like Ganon. So we'll have to see. The more I think about it, the more it does sound like Ganon, so maybe it is him.

It would certainly be interesting to see him again. :)

[mandym287]

The stone would preserve him under water so he wouldn’t drown, so it is possible. But I’ve heard from people on ZD say that Nintendo apparently stated that he is not the Demon King. All of this hard writing for nothing… (See my last post)

Edit: Chancellor Cole’s powers are described to be “a purple and black bolt” here on ZD. Doesn’t that match the description of Bellum’s power when he possessed Linebeck? It seems like Nintendo combined some traits of past enemies this time—Ganondorf, Vaati, Bellum… is there more to come in the game after this? One thing to note is that the Phantoms in this game protect the Spirit Tower, which is against Chancellor Cole’s goal.

[HerosDescendant]

I checked ZeldaWiki and discovered the Demon King is named Malladus. I'm disappointed that it is not Majora, but this has sparked a new theory of mine. Malladus could be a demon that was sent to the new land by Majora, in an attempt to spread chaos. Where as Malladus is the Demon King, I believe Majora to be the Demon Lord.

[Cameron102030]

I think it will just will be the demon king. They Have been posting liots of videos and those prove that it is the demon king.

[HerosDescendant]

I think it will just will be the demon king. They Have been posting liots of videos and those prove that it is the demon king.

I didn't mean that Majora (the supposed Demon God, maybe) would appear in this game. I'm just saying that Malladus the Demon King could have been sent to the World of Light by Majora long ago.

[joeynintendo]

:DGanon will not come back Untill the timeline comes back together. so ganon still lives in the adult time line.
look for time line on my new thread.!.!.!:D