Death Mountain...

[x-Link-x]

Okay so, in just about any Zelda game, when you look over the land, which one of the tallest rock ya see? (that has a name, anyways...) Death Mountain. So, if the Great Sea is merely Hyrule flooded then...where did Death Mountain go? Wasn't it supposed to be the tallest mountain in Hyrule? Couldn't have been covered that easily, could it?

I would think (and I'm sure so many others would, too) that its supposed to be Dragon Rst. Island but if that was the case....why did it get so small and how come there are no traces of Gorons? (don't get me wrong the entire place is huge, I just meant at the top, where Valoo sits, its so small, small enough for him to cover anyways....)

Maybe I'm thinking too deeply into this?

[Durion]

Thats a good question, I'm not entirely sure why it would be so small, Its the highest place in Hyrule if I'm not mistaken, So if only the peak of that is showing then there shouldn't be anymore islands. It must have shrunk somehow for that to happen.

I don't have much knowledge of how large the island where Valoo is found actually is. I haven't played Wind Waker but I remember seeing a video of Link finding Valoo on Youtube. I really don't know why it would be so small though.

About the Goron thing though I am just gonna guess that they all drowned trying to escape the water seeing as Goron's can't swim and just sink. Although depends on if they need to be breath but I am going to assume they do. Its also possible that they just died out completely before the actual occurance of the flood.

[Megamannt125]

I always though it was Dragon Roost, it makes the most sense.
And as for the Gorons, well the only Gorons in the game are the merchants, maybe something happened that caused the Goron Population the decrease, there is also the fact that Gorons don't live in the higher parts of Death Mountain they live near the middle, so maybe that part was actually covered by the ocean so they all had to migrate out.
And DarkLink, Gorons can breath underwater, they just can't swim, this was made apparent in Twilight Princess.

[Nepolink]

Dragon Roost is supposed to be the Death Mountain in Wind Waker. I think it is not small, Valoo has just grow a little bit to much. Look how big he actually is. The Tower of The Gods is the tallest thing in the game anyway. I know it's not bigger than the Death Mountain in TP but it's not small. About the Goron... Goron's really hate water, and the whole game is 80% water, the birdman tribe fits this world better than te Gorons. On thing, the Gorons were on Amber Island in Phantom Hourglass, i really don't get why they aren't in WW.

If you stay on the top of Dragon Roost it's just big enough. Valoo is THAT big.

[Clucluclu]

I have no idea about why the Goron,s would have left/died, but I think that the reason it could be so skinny could be erosion, after all the rain, flooding(however it happened) it could easily have slimmed down.

[Zarom]

First, I have to clarify one thing. Gorons are not dead in WW, they just have nearly become extinct. There is only three left. :goron::goron::goron:

And Dragon Roost Island is actually the biggest island in the whole game. It is not a small island, not at all. And I think it's really the top of Death Mountain. After all, there is fire and lava in it, like in Death Mountain crater. So, Dragon Roost Island is Death Mountain. :D

[Clucluclu]

I think that what Link meant was that it was really skinny, not that it wasn't tall.

[Chrono]

Okay so, in just about any Zelda game, when you look over the land, which one of the tallest rock ya see? (that has a name, anyways...) Death Mountain. So, if the Great Sea is merely Hyrule flooded then...where did Death Mountain go? Wasn't it supposed to be the tallest mountain in Hyrule? Couldn't have been covered that easily, could it?

I would think (and I'm sure so many others would, too) that its supposed to be Dragon Rst. Island but if that was the case....why did it get so small and how come there are no traces of Gorons? (don't get me wrong the entire place is huge, I just meant at the top, where Valoo sits, its so small, small enough for him to cover anyways....)

Maybe I'm thinking too deeply into this?

Go to the island called, Spectacle Island. Spectacle Rock is in Death Mountain, and those two points are the tip.

[Zarom]

Go to the island called, Spectacle Island. Spectacle Rock is in Death Mountain, and those two points are the tip.


No. This place isn't Spectacle Rock in Death Mountain. It is completely another place. Like Kakariko Village in TP who is not the real Kakariko. And also like Mother & Child isles who aren't the same in the games...as well as other places. Having part of the same name doesn't mean they're the same place.

[Chrono]

No. This place isn't Spectacle Rock in Death Mountain. It is completely another place. Like Kakariko Village in TP who is not the real Kakariko. And also like Mother & Child isles who aren't the same in the games...as well as other places. Having part of the same name doesn't mean they're the same place.

Hmm prove it then. I know they rehash names, but...

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Spectacle_Rock

and if you don't like that wiki then....

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Spectacle_Rock

[Zarom]

Hmm prove it then. I know they rehash names, but...

http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Spectacle_Rock

and if you don't like that wiki then....

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Spectacle_Rock


Yeah. But they can both (Death Mountain and Spectacle Rock) be far away from each other. The locations of areas are not always the same. For example, the ToT in OOT is in Castle Town. In TP, its in the Sacred Grove (in the Lost Woods) and in ALP, its in the Lost Woods. And remember that Dragon Roost Island is a crater area and there is lava and fire inside it. So, they separate Spectacle Rock from Death Mountain in this game. They are now at two different places in the AT.

[Zeruda]

Okay so, in just about any Zelda game, when you look over the land, which one of the tallest rock ya see? (that has a name, anyways...) Death Mountain. So, if the Great Sea is merely Hyrule flooded then...where did Death Mountain go? Wasn't it supposed to be the tallest mountain in Hyrule? Couldn't have been covered that easily, could it?

I would think (and I'm sure so many others would, too) that its supposed to be Dragon Rst. Island but if that was the case....why did it get so small and how come there are no traces of Gorons? (don't get me wrong the entire place is huge, I just meant at the top, where Valoo sits, its so small, small enough for him to cover anyways....)

Maybe I'm thinking too deeply into this?
It's possible that Dragon Roost is Death Mountain, but I tend to doubt it. Mind you, it does have a volcano, but who says DM has the only volcano? The world we see in TWW could only be a fraction of what was in Hyrule. Remember, Gorons still exist, so perhaps they came from wherever Death Mountain is.

Or, if Death Mountain is indeed one of the areas we are allowed to view in the game, it's very possible that its size was minimized by erosion, especially since a great flood took place.

[Chrono]

Yeah. But they can both (Death Mountain and Spectacle Rock) be far away from each other. The locations of areas are not always the same. For example, the ToT in OOT is in Castle Town. In TP, its in the Sacred Grove (in the Lost Woods) and in ALP, its in the Lost Woods. And remember that Dragon Roost Island is a crater area and there is lava and fire inside it. So, they separate Spectacle Rock from Death Mountain in this game. They are now at two different places in the AT.

Well, there was originally a path to the ToT in OoT beta from the Lost Woods (just like in TP). There is proof of this via in the beta storyline and leftover data.

[Atsuma]

This death mountain you people talking about, does it appear in the other Zelda games? If so, is this Hyrule the same world as any other Zelda game world?

[Dabombster]

I never really though about it, but Chrono does bring up some valid points. I've known that Death Mountain = Spectacle Rock. And Spectacle Island being the tip sounds like a very valid theory. But then again, so does the Dragon Roost one. It's all very interesting, but I don't think it's anything Nintendo thought important enough to include in the storyline somewhere.

[angelkid]

I'm not sure. They say Death Mountain is the highest part in Hyrule, and Spectacle Island is most certainly not that. Not only this, but if I remember correctly, there is a way into One of the halves of Spectacle Island, and if I am correct in remembering this, I'm most likely correct in remembering that there was absolutely no remnants of any sort of temple, let alone Ganon's castle, and personally I don't really imagine that anyone went inside to 'tidy up' with all those Lynels around and the Wizzrobes inside. If this were the same Spectacle rock, sure we could say that it had caved in, but the entrance would have to be the same as in LoZ (however, this argument doesn't really work because WW probably comes before LoZ on the timeline, and I believe they are infact on opposite sides of the timeline.) Therefore, a second argument is required. Mine would be that Spectacle rock is always depicted as near, or on the top of Death Mountain, meaning that if this were Spectacle rock, given that Death Mountain is said to be the higest point, we would have to see some of Death Mountain aswell. Also, according to OoT, Spectacle Rock is actually inside Death Mountain Crater.

With Dragon Roost, I'd say it is likely that it is Death Mountain. It is one of the Highest points (though to be fair, still not the highest, there are all those little rock spires with seagulls on which I remember as being taller.) There is the Lava, the monsters and above all, there is Valoo. That may sound like a stupid argument, but I would say there were three reasons that Death Mountain would be a good resting place for Valoo.

Firstly: Death Mountain is a sacred place, do not forget in previous games the presence of Sages and Great Fairies.
Secondly: Death Mountain was always a place that was, let's say, prone to evil. Given that it was Ganon's old hideaway, used to contain the portal to the dark world, and has always been filled with monsters and bosses. So having something as big and powerful and pure and good there as Valoo, seems like a good idea to me. Sure they did infact get attacked, but I don't think even Valoo would be able to fight off Ganons evil. I expect he was just placed there to ward off against smaller threats.
My third and final point is that: Valoo is a dragon and we have seen before, from previous games (Volvagia) that Death Mountain is an ideal location for a dragon to live and strive among the fire and rock.

My final point as to why I think that Death Mountain is Dragon Roost Island is because, you remember how I said that in Spectacle rock he never see any remnants of Ganon's castle? Well in Death Mountain, it is so big, that everytime you enter, you could be entering at different points, and there could be honestly no point where you go into the same room twice in any game because Death Mountain is so huge.

[Y2K3]

I've always heard and assumed that Death Mountain was Dragon Roost Island. It's high, and full of lava/magma.
Plus, I read somewhere (I haven't played this dungeon in like 4 years, so I cannot remember) that one of the rooms in this dungeon was similar to that of Dodongo's Cavern.
And don't the two somewhat match up on the maps? I also saw a picture of that before, but that too was a long time ago.

[Clucluclu]

I'd like to point out that it is possible that during the events of WW, Spectacle Rock didn't even exist. I believe that the only game we ever see it in is LoZ, which is on a completely different timeline.

[Chrono]

I'd like to point out that it is possible that during the events of WW, Spectacle Rock didn't even exist. I believe that the only game we ever see it in is LoZ, which is on a completely different timeline.

No. It is also in The Adventure of Link, A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, The Wind Waker and Twilight Princess.

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Spectacle_Rock

And trust me, it's not just because there are two exact rock formations next to each other. Most of the time, it's proven by in game quotes.

[Clucluclu]

Well, you got me there, but in the only game with spectacle rock that would come before WW, OoT, it says that Spectacle Rock is inside death mountain, so I can't quite imagine how it would get out in tact, or somehow become the tallest mountain in the Great Sea.

[ironknuckle1]

Has anyone not noticed that when getting the magic armor you trade things with Gorons. Well these Gorons move around between islands and can be found on many different islands. So what probably happened was that during the long time between the flooding and Windwaker Gorons moved from there volcanic homes at dragon roost Island and started to traverse by boat or something across Land. giving them the habit they have as merchants around Hyrule. And explaining why they are found everywhere across the great sea

[Zarom]

Yeah. Chrono has very good points. But me, I think that in WW, they did the Spectacle Island (representing Spectacle Rock) AND Dragon Roost Island (Death Mountain) as both being SEPARATE places.

And I have to say I agree 100% with angelkid.

Anyway, it's my opinion, and I won't change it. :D

[RedToonLink]

i don't know what happened to the grons,but the inside area where you first talk to the chief looks like the very bottom level of goron city

[Master Kokiri 9]

Simple. The Dragon Roost Cavern is what used to be death mountain crater and thus you have the explanation. So so so simple.

[Axle the Beast]

Go to the island called, Spectacle Island. Spectacle Rock is in Death Mountain, and those two points are the tip.
The presence of Spectacle Island doesn't mean much. It's appeared on various locations of Death Mountain throughout the series (none of which I recall being on the peak,) and even in locations other than Death Mountain.

Anyway, I find it most likely that Dragon Roost is Death Mountain. It's the tallest island (barring the Tower of the Gods, which isn't actually an island) and it has the cloud ring around it. It's also a volcano, with a dragon bearing a name similar to Volvagia.

The absence of the Gorons is easily explained by their nomadic nature in Wind Waker. They seem to be wandering merchants.

[Clucluclu]

I agree with you 100% Axel, but I would like to point out that if you look closley, Spectacle Rock is actually the highest point in both LoZ and aLttP, but this doesn't matter much becauseee they are on a different timeline.

[Gohma]

Maybe Ganon Warlock Punched the DM.
I mean, with no hero to beat him, he could have kill the Gorons by blowing up the top of the moutain. It would explain how it became so small by the way.
About the Spectacle rock...
In Alttp, the DM takes almost half of the map, so I think it could be that far from Dragon Roost Island as well.



My most probable idea: Another failed attempt from Nintendo to connect games. =3=

[Axle the Beast]

I agree with you 100% Axel, but I would like to point out that if you look closley, Spectacle Rock is actually the highest point in both LoZ and aLttP, but this doesn't matter much becauseee they are on a different timeline.
Oh, alright, my bad.

Still, it appears in other locations as well, so it doesn't mean that Spectacle Island is Death Mountain. Seeing as how Dragon Roost is the tallest island, I really think it has to be Death Mountain.

[MrMosley]

Yeah. But they can both (Death Mountain and Spectacle Rock) be far away from each other. The locations of areas are not always the same. For example, the ToT in OOT is in Castle Town. In TP, its in the Sacred Grove (in the Lost Woods) and in ALP, its in the Lost Woods. And remember that Dragon Roost Island is a crater area and there is lava and fire inside it. So, they separate Spectacle Rock from Death Mountain in this game. They are now at two different places in the AT.

Death Mountain in OoT is not all of Death Mountain. There are many places in Hyrule that we can't see. But Spectacle Rock can be seen in LoZ and AoL. Spectacle Island IS supposed to be relevant to Spectacle Rock in Hyrule. They wouldn't have named it after it and made it look similar if it weren't. On the other side, you have Dragon Roost, which seems like Death Mountain in OoT, but there is no proof behind it; Only relevance. Spectacle Island has the similar shape and name of Spectacle Rock.

[Bongo_Bongo]

Hmmm... This really is a puzzle. Let's examine the facts, shall we?

On the adult timeline, Zelda has sent Link back to relive his lost seven years, and Hyrule is without a hero. Spectacle Rock is inside of Death Mountain Crater. Several years later, Hyrule has been flooded. Now, there seems to be an island bearing a striking resemblance to Death Mountain, and another island bearing the name and general appearance of Spectacle Rock.

That is what we know for sure. What we can infer is that they cannot both be what they appear to be, one of them is brand new. And since Spectacle Rock is, listen closely, INSIDE of Death Mountain, it is obviously not the highest point in Hyrule. Therefore, I am taking a loose guess that Spectacle Island is NOT Spectacle Rock, and Dragon Roost Island MAY be Death Mountain.

(I like to think that Death Mountain and Dragon Roost are one in the same, but I can't explain the loss of so many Gorons...)

[MrMosley]

That is what we know for sure. What we can infer is that they cannot both be what they appear to be, one of them is brand new. And since Spectacle Rock is, listen closely, INSIDE of Death Mountain, it is obviously not the highest point in Hyrule. Therefore, I am taking a loose guess that Spectacle Island is NOT Spectacle Rock, and Dragon Roost Island MAY be Death Mountain.

Spectacle Rock is only inside of a crater in OoT. Besides, no where in OoT does it actually call that location Spectacle Rock. In LoZ and AoL, it actually calls the area Spectacle Rock, and it is not inside of a crater. In LoZ, Spectacle Rock is the highest point in Death Mountain that we see. There's no reason to believe that they would name it Spectacle Island just out of the blue when A.) It resembles what the top of Spectacle Rock would look like, and B.) The Islands in Wind Waker are the mountaintops of Hyrule.

Now people often try to say that Dragon Roost Island is or could be Death Mountain, which would, like you said, seemingly make it impossible for Death Mountain to be anywhere near Spectacle Island. The problem here is, like I said above, we don't know how big Hyrule truly is. We have no idea how far Death Mountain extends. In AoL, we get a pretty good indication that its a lot bigger than is shown in any other game. Usually, Death Mountain runs off the side of the map. Therefore, it could be speculated that Dragon Roost still could be a location at the top of Death Mountain, it would just be a further away location than where Spectacle Rock is.

However, whereas we have no evidence pointing to Dragon Roost being part of Death Mountain, we do have obvious evidence that Spectacle Island is the top of Spectacle Rock. In-game evidence overrules a theory with no in-game evidence. And whether or not Dragon Roost is a part of Death Mountain (a part far away from Spectacle Rock's location), it surely doesn't overrule the obvious intent that Spectacle Island is meant to be the top of Spectacle Rock.

[Ikana]

That's a good question Dragon roost does seem to be to small for Death Mountain.Maybe Nintendo wasn't thinking when they made it.But why would the gorons not stay there.Goron merchants are shown in the game.Maybe they ran out of food because Dodongo Cavern is now under water.

[Bongo_Bongo]

Spectacle Rock is only inside of a crater in OoT. Besides, no where in OoT does it actually call that location Spectacle Rock. In LoZ and AoL, it actually calls the area Spectacle Rock, and it is not inside of a crater. In LoZ, Spectacle Rock is the highest point in Death Mountain that we see. There's no reason to believe that they would name it Spectacle Island just out of the blue when A.) It resembles what the top of Spectacle Rock would look like, and B.) The Islands in Wind Waker are the mountaintops of Hyrule.

You make a few good points here. However, I subscribe to the split timeline theory, and have since it was confirmed by Shigeru Miyamoto (2003, I believe). You say that it was only in a crater in OoT, not in LoZ or AoL. Following the split timeline theory, Ocarina of Time is directly before Wind Waker, and therefore the topographical facts would remain roughly the same. I cannot say anything about, but this wiki http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Spectacle_Rock (Which I admit is just a wikipedia page) says that the formation is, in fact, spectacle rock. I can't say whether they are assuming this or whether it is fact, but I always thought of Spectacle Rock as those two wierd pillars in Death Mountian Crater.

What you're forgetting is that Spectacle rock wasn't a mountaintop. It was inside of the crater of a mouintain. We're not talking LoZ or AoL, but OoT. As for the name thing, Hyrulean myths and traditions were highly valuable to the people, as evidenced by the numerous Zelda's, Death Mountains, Great Fairy's, etc.

[MrMosley]

You make a few good points here. However, I subscribe to the split timeline theory, and have since it was confirmed by Shigeru Miyamoto (2003, I believe). You say that it was only in a crater in OoT, not in LoZ or AoL. Following the split timeline theory, Ocarina of Time is directly before Wind Waker, and therefore the topographical facts would remain roughly the same. I cannot say anything about, but this wiki http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Spectacle_Rock (Which I admit is just a wikipedia page) says that the formation is, in fact, spectacle rock. I can't say whether they are assuming this or whether it is fact, but I always thought of Spectacle Rock as those two wierd pillars in Death Mountian Crater.

I also subscribe to the Split Timeline theory, but that doesn't keep what I said from being true. By the way, it was confirmed by Eiji Aonuma in 2001, in an interview conducted talking about Wind Waker.

What I am saying is that I don't consider the location in OoT to be Spectacle Rock. Or at least, I don't consider it's location to actually look like that. In every other game that Spectacle Rock is said to be in (LoZ, AoL, ALttP, and FSA), it always appears as two rock structures protruding from the very top of Death Mountain. In OoT, it is said to be two rock structures inside of a crater (but only on that Wiki page, and never in the game, so it is merely speculation). It would be impossible for an island to be made from the tops of those mountains in OoT because they are in a crater. And since OoT never once says that those two structures are known as Spectacle Rock, or anywhere else in Death Mountain for that matter, I conclude that Spectacle Rock is never seen in OoT. Now, I don't believe the locations in ALttP or FSA are named Spectacle Rock either. But in LoZ and AoL, it is named Spectacle Rock and since the locations in ALttP and FSA look like that same area, one can safely assume that they are all the same.

What you are trying to say is that OoT's Spectacle Rock is THE Spectacle Rock, and that isn't true because its never been confirmed. The wiki page link you provided says that, but it is only speculation, which should be noted on that page because there is nothing in OoT to confirm that name. The only way to say for sure which location is Spectacle Rock is to look at LoZ or AoL, which you could also back up with ALttP and FSA because those locations also look similar to LoZ's Spectacle Rock. In LoZ, it isn't in a crater, it is just two mounds on the top of Death Mountain, which would obviously protrude to the top of the Great Sea in Wind Waker. Again, confirmed evidence overrules speculated evidence. LoZ's location is confirmed and looks to be what Wind Waker would use as Spectacle Island's location. OoT's location is not, and is inconsistent with Spectacle Island in Wind Waker.


What you're forgetting is that Spectacle rock wasn't a mountaintop. It was inside of the crater of a mouintain. We're not talking LoZ or AoL, but OoT. As for the name thing, Hyrulean myths and traditions were highly valuable to the people, as evidenced by the numerous Zelda's, Death Mountains, Great Fairy's, etc.

OoT doesn't matter because again, that location is never confirmed to be Spectacle Rock. What matters is LoZ. The Split Timeline theory doesn't mean that Spectacle Island cannot be Spectacle Rock. Spectacle Rock would still exist in OoT, and would look the exact same as it does in LoZ. Its the same Hyrule. What I am saying is that we never actually see that location in OoT. We never see Spectacle Rock in that game.

As far as names go, virtually nothing in Wind Waker is named after anything from old Hyrule besides Spectacle Island (nothing obvious anyway). Every location is different, and if they wanted us to know that Dragon Roost was a part of Death Mountain, they would have told us. Or at least they would have made it as obvious as naming and designing Spectacle Island after what Spectacle Rock would look like if Death Mountain were submerged under the ocean, which is exactly what it was.

[Justin]

I'm going to argue that Dragon Roost is the remains of Death Mountain!

Here is why!

First, lets take what we do know. Hyrule Castle is located at the tower of the gods. When you go to the tower of gods, you descent directly below and you're in front of Hyrule Castle. Using this as a reference with OoT's map.
You can then look at Hyrule Castle/Tower of Gods and compare it's location to the Deuku Tree. Assuming the Deku tree is in relatively close area of where it was in Ocarina of Time (old or new deku tree will work).

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/5808/deathmountaintheory2.jpg
Portion of Hyurle from Ocarina of Time's map.

You get a shape like this. Meaning the top right circle is Death Mountain, the left circle is Hyrule Castle, and the bottom is the Kokiri Forest.

http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/2936/deathmountaintheory3.jpg

You also see this shape in Wind Waker.

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/7089/deathmountaintheory1.jpg
A portion of Wind Waker map, with the selected islands highlighted

By comparing the two maps and shapes. You see a close resemblance in location of the 3 spots. By this evidence, I conclude that Rito Island is Death Mountain.

[Ikana]

I'm going to argue that Dragon Roost is the remains of Death Mountain!

Here is why!

First, lets take what we do know. Hyrule Castle is located at the tower of the gods. When you go to the tower of gods, you descent directly below and you're in front of Hyrule Castle. Using this as a reference with OoT's map.
You can then look at Hyrule Castle/Tower of Gods and compare it's location to the Deuku Tree. Assuming the Deku tree is in relatively close area of where it was in Ocarina of Time (old or new deku tree will work).

By comparing the two maps and shapes. You see a close resemblance in location of the 3 spots. By this evidence, I conclude that Rito Island is Death Mountain.
I think I might agree with that.The only thing is that Dragon Roost seems a little to small to be death mountain but there is erosion.So good job;)

[Justin]

Dragon Roost is obviously eroded based off weather, and the fact its a volcano! If you go behind the island, you see a lot of pillars/spikes hanging out of the water. This can be evidence of erosion.

[Ikana]

Dragon Roost is obviously eroded based off weather, and the fact its a volcano! If you go behind the island, you see a lot of pillars/spikes hanging out of the water. This can be evidence of erosion.
I think Dragon Roost could be Death Mountain.Looking at the map help me more thank you

[Bongo_Bongo]

And also, this!http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Dragon_Roost_Island

Scroll to the bottom and there is theories and evidence to support the idea. (I'm too lazy to type it out when it's right there)