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Midna666
08-20-2009, 05:25 AM
Does anyone here read the Zelda Mangas, and if you have, what do you think of them?
I myself like the mangas.
My favorite one is the Oracle of Ages manga.
I like how the mangas give some of the characters more depth.
I think that ever though they are not canon, they are still a fun read for Legend of Zelda fans.
Skull_Kid
08-20-2009, 08:37 AM
I am collecting them, I have so far, OoT vol.1 and 2, MM, and OoS, because they are the only ones that have been released here.
When newer ones come out, I'll get them as well.
So far, OoS is the funniest, I first read it on the train on my way home, and I couldn't stop laughing
Durion
08-20-2009, 10:03 AM
I don't usually read Manga's but seeing as I want to learn as much as I can about the Zelda franchise as a whole I may try and get hold of these. I'm not much of a Manga type person when it comes to reading, I prefer full text books.
Seeing as you have said that the Manga adds to the characters depth I am most likely to read these somewhere....Maybe it will turn me to reading Manga as well.
fiercedeity619
08-20-2009, 03:23 PM
the manga sounds ineresting where can you get them?
midnightokami
08-20-2009, 04:48 PM
I have read few of the manga books. Ocarina of time was one of the best zelda manga I have read. You can find the zelda manga on zelda dungeon or one manga. They are really easy to find! ^^
x-Link-x
08-20-2009, 05:38 PM
I have a few of the mangas them selves and I'd say they're pretty good. The art is very well done and of course it gives the series that innocent and childish feeling to see the many expression they give the characters. One thing that would be odd about them, however, is the way they have to rush things. I've always hated when they do things like that but I know it cannot be helped. After all, most of the time Link spends inside dungeouns he's alone and what not.
I am trying to collect all of the manga and the way I am going right now, buying them as I see them at the store, I might have them all in little to no time at all. Yeah, I like going out to shop and such. xD
basement24
08-20-2009, 06:35 PM
I have the series currently through Four Swords Part One. I enjoy them as a bit of a different look at the game's stories, but I don't take them very seriously in terms of new ideas that they introduce such as Link owning Volvagia as a child.
I really enjoyed the art in OoT and MM, but I'm not enjoying how the style is getting a bit sloppy in further volumes. I understand they've adapted their style to fit better with TWW style, but it seems a bit rushed compared to the better drawn OoT and MM.
I'm not a Magna fan, so I don't really have an appreciation for it in comparison to other Magna, but as a Zelda interpretation, I enjoy them.
And to fiercedeity, you can buy them in book stores who sell Magna digests, or you can order them through comic book shops. The company that publishes them is called Viz Media.
knowlee
08-20-2009, 07:56 PM
I've read all the mangas so far. (Courtesy of ZD. :D ) Except if you count the PH manga... -.-
Anyway, back on topic, I liked how they added more character personality to Link. They gave him a personality and portrayed how he would feel in the situations that he faced in the games (although the games did sometimes portray his emotions). I've haven't really found a problem in how the manga portrayed the characters although I did have a problem in the length of some of the mangas.
For example, I think that MM and OoT should have been longer; at least more than 2 volumes. But that's my opinion on the matter...
El Bagu
08-21-2009, 02:22 PM
I´ve started to collect them but I am actually not sure if I´m going to buy the rest of the titles when they are released. The first ones were somewhat of a disappointment to me and that´s why I´m not sure what to do next :S
The games are what the legend is all about!
Dark_Kokiri
08-21-2009, 03:34 PM
I love the Zelda manga. I am slowly reading them, I go on another website to download the fan translations... I'm yet to get the English versions. I'd like to own them, but it's not on my priority list.
Actually, my 2 cousins, my sister, and I match up perfectly with how they have they have the Four Sword personalities set up. I'm not even kidding, we dressed up as them for Halloween last year. Was very epic, we fit right into character! xD
Anyhow, I read them when I get bored. There were a lot of questions answered for me in the OoT manga, like Zelda/Sheik situation and why Link has earrings. Satisfied me, and it's official. c:
Waker of winds
08-22-2009, 12:22 AM
Actually, my 2 cousins, my sister, and I match up perfectly with how they have they have the Four Sword personalities set up. I'm not even kidding, we dressed up as them for Halloween last year. Was very epic, we fit right into character! xD
How freaking cool:xd:! I would love to do that with my bro and my 2 cousins(just like you. What a coincidence:)), but we are nothing near the personalities, except for me, I'm exactly like blue Link:P.
I also love the mangas. I'm impressed that there isn't a manga section here at the forums. I think they give Link more personnality too.
My personal favorite is the Minish Cap Manga. I loved Link and Ezlo's fights! I also like OoT and MM mangas, I somehow identified myself with that Link, because I'm also a little hot headed:nod:.
Alter
08-22-2009, 12:31 AM
I am collecting them, I have so far, OoT vol.1 and 2, MM, and OoS, because they are the only ones that have been released here.
When newer ones come out, I'll get them as well.
So far, OoS is the funniest, I first read it on the train on my way home, and I couldn't stop laughing
OoS is probablt the best one. OoA is good, too.
What do you mean, "they are the only ones that have been released here"? Go to Amazon.com, and you can get OoT 1, OoT 2, MM, OoS, OoA, and FSA 1. They're only 8$ each. Good deal.
They're currently releasing a new book (over here) every other month. They've already announced FSA 2, TMC, and ALTTP coming out.
For those of you who haven't read the mangas, I've got to say that they're great, and well worth a read, even though they aren't canon. Most of them are quite humorous.
Lady_Yuna
08-23-2009, 01:05 AM
Let's see......I've read almost all of them.... and my favorite zelda manga would have to be ocarina of time. I <3 the pictures especially the sheik ones.
well...i have only readed AND OWNED 4 swords adventures (the first chapters) and im trying to own more, and still can,t find one
Smitie
08-29-2009, 03:30 PM
I read the OoT manga on ZD and I saw someone with the OOA or OOS manga when I was in the parc. I didn't know those books are so small though.
I personally aren't a fan of comic books or manga, so I don't see myself collecting them, but it is fun to read them on ZD once in a while.
mandym287
08-29-2009, 03:39 PM
Yes! I love them. I like the wind waker ones the best! I have 4 of them saved on my desktop right now!
Axle the Beast
09-04-2009, 07:15 PM
I have several, and intend to collect the rest. I own: Oracle of Seasons, Oracle of Ages, and Majora's Mask.
I like them. Although they're non-canonical, they're interesting retellings of the games' stories, especially with the expansion of the plot that they have, and they're an overall fun read.
Plus I like the manga art. :P
Zeruda
09-09-2009, 12:17 AM
I could have sworn I replied to this topic....
Anyway, yes, in my Zelda geekery, I purchased each Akira Himekawa Zelda manga. And now that they've began selling them in English, I've purchased those, too.
The Himekawa team puts a lot of effort into their work, and it's neat to see two people be able to stick to one consistant style, despite working as a pair. They've even managed to keep their style in works that you'd expect to appear extremely different. For instance, they've managed to capture the TWW/PH style perfectly while still keeping to their romantic, feminine art style.
As far as story goes, well... they really are into fillers. The fillers are a nice read, but definitely not canon. I mean, lots of the characters they come up with never exist to begin with, but that's part of the charm of their works. The mangas definitely aren't very long or detailed in story, so if you're looking for something that sticks to the actual plot, don't go to Himekawa's works. Their works are mostly eye candy. Don't get me wrong, though, I love what they've created. I also think it's quite an accomplishment to be so inspired by Zelda that they ended up inspiring the creators themselves (Watarara->Rito).
I also own a growing collection of doujinshi, and I have to say that many of the artists could very well be better than Akira Himekawa, both in terms of art and story. But hey, each artist is different, and it's nice to see different takes on the stories. It's kinda of like seeing the way they played the game through their eyes.
Shadsie
09-09-2009, 12:22 AM
I could have sworn I replied to this topic....
Anyway, yes, in my Zelda geekery, I purchased each Akira Himekawa Zelda manga. And now that they've began selling them in English, I've purchased those, too.
The Himekawa team puts a lot of effort into their work, and it's neat to see two people be able to stick to one consistant style, despite working as a pair. They've even managed to keep their style in works that you'd expect to appear extremely different. For instance, they've managed to capture the TWW/PH style perfectly while still keeping to their romantic, feminine art style.
As far as story goes, well... they really are into fillers. The fillers are a nice read, but definitely not canon. I mean, lots of the characters they come up with never exist to begin with, but that's part of the charm of their works. The mangas definitely aren't very long or detailed in story, so if you're looking for something that sticks to the actual plot, don't go to Himekawa's works. Their works are mostly eye candy. Don't get me wrong, though, I love what they've created. I also think it's quite an accomplishment to be so inspired by Zelda that they ended up inspiring the creators themselves (Watarara->Rito).
I also own a growing collection of doujinshi, and I have to say that many of the artists could very well be better than Akira Himekawa, both in terms of art and story. But hey, each artist is different, and it's nice to see different takes on the stories. It's kinda of like seeing the way they played the game through their eyes.
I've only read the mangas online (dubious legality) myself. I'd like to pick up the OoT manga someday...
It's like... really good fan-fiction. That's how I see it. Not strictly canon, yet an "extra" take on the games' story that's fun.
alphaglider
10-20-2009, 07:22 PM
good but not what i was expecting they could make it longer and more true to the series
Subrosian
10-20-2009, 08:08 PM
They're friggin' beautiful.
I have every manga from ALttP to MM (With the original Friggin Japanese dialogue) :D.
My favorite is the manga for Link's Awakening.
In that one case I'd prefer the manga to be canon over the game, because it tells the story so much more beautifully.
*sniff* It's so sad. :cry:
The best part of MM was where Himekawa gives his own thoughts on how MM and the Fierce Diety first meet.
FRIGGIN' AMAZING!
ZFAN2009
10-21-2009, 03:57 AM
I love the Zelda Manga's, there awesome!!! i am so glad viz media decided to bring them out here in English, so we can read them :D
Dragon Tamer
10-21-2009, 10:15 AM
I love manga but I saw no interest in Zelda manga. In the games, Link doesn't talk.
In the manga, he talks! I think that ruined his reputation of being the silent type.
Subrosian
10-21-2009, 03:54 PM
In the games, the only reason Link doesn't talk is because Miyamoto wants the player to imagine what he is saying, or something like that.
And contrary to popular belief, Link has talked in a game before, and no, I'm not talking about those ****ty CDi games either.
Sparky
10-27-2009, 09:59 PM
Yeah, I totally own all of them available currently.
It's part of my Zelda fanboyism collectingness.
I need to get around to buying some more Zelda merch soon.
Spreeze
10-28-2009, 11:06 PM
I've only read OoT and I have some mixed feelings. For one thing, what came first? (is that a stupid question?) Was it the manga or the game? If the game came first then I felt the manga was too rushed. If the game came after the manga, then I enjoy the manga XD The art is good though. Great style.
Kitsu
10-28-2009, 11:22 PM
I've only read OoT and I have some mixed feelings. For one thing, what came first? (is that a stupid question?) Was it the manga or the game? If the game came first then I felt the manga was too rushed. If the game came after the manga, then I enjoy the manga XD The art is good though. Great style.
The game came first.
I've read the Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask mangas a few times, actually. They weren't the best, but I thought - as Shadsie put it - gave an "extra take" on the games. I rather liked the way Majora's Mask was explored, and even added onto. I felt, in some ways, that certain scenes from the Majora's Mask manga were better than the game. Of course, this is probably because of the dialogue.
I really liked the art, as well. I thought it captured Hyrule and Termina rather nicely.
I can understand when people say they felt the manga was rushed, I actually felt like that at times. Especially in Ocarina of Time. However, it would be a lot of work to illustrate and re-create every scene. Moreover, I think the need to cut parts out, and put in others, added to that "extra take", on the games.
Crazyfreak
10-29-2009, 07:19 PM
I actually like Links personality in the mangas.. everybody is complaining he's to happy and such a typical goodguy.. But I never seen Link like a "Cloud person" from FF7....
I actually like the Oot manga how he tries to find princess Zelda... Especially the "I've missed you" scene is still the best scene in the manga. Same goes for the alttp manga where Zelda hugs Link so that he wouldn't transform into a wolf (Thats right a wolf, and the manga was made before TP)
Arkatox
10-29-2009, 07:34 PM
Wait, there are Mangas of the Zelda games? I WANT 'EM!
Master Kokiri 9
10-29-2009, 08:58 PM
I've heard of them for almost half a year but only recently have I read one. I must say they're pretty entertaining! So far I've only read part one of the Ocarina of Time manga (I loved seeing Mido get what he deserved) and I plan to read the entire Ocarina of Time manga eventually! :lol:
Zeruda
10-30-2009, 10:28 PM
I could have sworn I replied to this topic....
Anyway, yes, in my Zelda geekery, I purchased each Akira Himekawa Zelda manga. And now that they've began selling them in English, I've purchased those, too.
The Himekawa team puts a lot of effort into their work, and it's neat to see two people be able to stick to one consistant style, despite working as a pair. They've even managed to keep their style in works that you'd expect to appear extremely different. For instance, they've managed to capture the TWW/PH style perfectly while still keeping to their romantic, feminine art style.
As far as story goes, well... they really are into fillers. The fillers are a nice read, but definitely not canon. I mean, lots of the characters they come up with never exist to begin with, but that's part of the charm of their works. The mangas definitely aren't very long or detailed in story, so if you're looking for something that sticks to the actual plot, don't go to Himekawa's works. Their works are mostly eye candy. Don't get me wrong, though, I love what they've created. I also think it's quite an accomplishment to be so inspired by Zelda that they ended up inspiring the creators themselves (Watarara->Rito).
I also own a growing collection of doujinshi, and I have to say that many of the artists could very well be better than Akira Himekawa, both in terms of art and story. But hey, each artist is different, and it's nice to see different takes on the stories. It's kinda of like seeing the way they played the game through their eyes.
I correct myself- after reading translated interviews, I'm convinced 100% that the manga is canon. I had read that they were canon, and just recently, Crazyfreak (who recently joined here) provided some links in another forum:
PAGE 1 (http://www.melorasworld.com/zelda/translation/pages_other/himekawa-01.jpg) | PAGE 2 (http://www.melorasworld.com/zelda/translation/pages_other/himekawa-02.jpg) | PAGE 3 (http://www.melorasworld.com/zelda/translation/pages_other/himekawa-03.jpg)
Translated Highlights:
"Akira Himekawa(the artist Honda) at first wanted to make an exact replica of the game but decided not to. Nintendo actually gave them advice in which direction they should go. This time they wanted to focus on the personalities, thoughts and history of characters.
Eiji Aunoma agrees with Honda. He says he develops the games but cannot introduce all the elements the Zelda team actually wish for. The manga makes this up for them by filling the gaps in Zelda "precisely"
They talk about the watatara race which was a big inspiration for the Rito tribe in Windwaker Akira Himekawa created a bird race, because at that time there wasn't a race filling up the sky (like Zora's with water, Gorons with mountains) [I actually made a post about that on this forum RIGHT HERE (http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=69656&postcount=55)]
Eiji Aunoma says the Zelda team wanted Link to fly, But they preferred to leave that imagination to the fans. Furthermore he adds up that he thinks the personality they gave Link in the manga fits with the personality most players will have of him."
So, this is one of those instances where my eyes were opened to more Zelda knowledge. I do wonder, however, if the same applies for the other Zelda mangas or not. I know the manga contradicts what a lot of fans already had in their heads (in some cases, even my own), but what the creators/owners say goes, really.
I think it's pretty cool that Nintendo will use other forms of media to expand on what happens in the games. It's especially useful for games that are old and not financially worth remaking.
Dungeon killer
11-01-2009, 05:11 PM
I have read all the zelda manga that are out I have the Oot ones, Mm one, and one of oracles. I have read the others at the book store, I haven't bought them yet because i'm saving up for the new zelda Wii and St.:nerd:
I agree, the manga are totally 100% (do you here me!?) canon.
Shade
11-03-2009, 07:42 PM
I have bought all so far. Hard to say which I liked best. I have to say Majora's Mask. Didn't like the ending to OoT with Zelda saying "I love you" to link as she sends him back, mainly because it comes so incredibly out of left field. I mean, she knows link as a friend, yeah... but I don't think much is indicative in the manga that her feelings for him are deeper than that. I don't know, maybe I'm too used to reading more deeper and darker manga's, and I have to remember that these Zelda ones are more "Innocent-like"
Emicon
11-03-2009, 08:35 PM
I have the Ocarina of Time Manga (1 and 2) and Majora's Mask. I think I've read fan translations of the others at some point, but I don't remember them too well. I'm hoping to be able to buy the rest sometime soon, when I'm not driving to school or buying textbooks all the time.
Crazyfreak
11-08-2009, 03:41 AM
I have bought all so far. Hard to say which I liked best. I have to say Majora's Mask. Didn't like the ending to OoT with Zelda saying "I love you" to link as she sends him back, mainly because it comes so incredibly out of left field. I mean, she knows link as a friend, yeah... but I don't think much is indicative in the manga that her feelings for him are deeper than that. I don't know, maybe I'm too used to reading more deeper and darker manga's, and I have to remember that these Zelda ones are more "Innocent-like"
IT WAS NAVI SAYING THAT BEFORE SHE LEFT LINK!
I loved the Oot manga, especially the ending where Link said his reason why he fought to Zelda, but cut himself off because he knew it would hurt her feelings.
I loved the relationship Link and Zelda had, it was really cute.
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa23/caseman799/ZeldaLinkMoment.jpg
Jetter
11-09-2009, 10:34 AM
I have majoras mask manga,ocarina of time manga part 1 and part 2. I got it at my Borders.
After tireless amounts of searching, I sadly have not been able to locate any of the Zelda Manga, however, I have read several pages of it on the Internet.
My favourite (from what I have read) would have to be the Ocarina of Time manga, the relationship between Zelda and Link is wonderful, and really defines the story for me.
And Link talks! I think that sort of ruins the entire secret silent type persona!
Cucco Lady Anju
11-09-2009, 07:16 PM
I'm a strong believer in Link = no talking so I can't read it just because of that. I don't even have him talking in any Zelda fics I've done either XD
Master Kokiri 9
11-20-2009, 06:27 PM
I myself am very interested in the Legend of Zelda manga and I have read both parts of the OoT manga, the MM manga, both the Oracle manga, and the first part of the four swords manga (which is awesome it's best one yet!). I own copies of all the mangas I've read so far except part one of OoT. They're all so amazing and I've got some stuff to add to my already overcrowded Christmas list!
Luminary
11-21-2009, 06:49 AM
I like the mangas and consider them near-canon, apart from extra characters like Raven from the Oracle manga and the short story at the end of Majora's Mask that explains how the mask was created, just because I didn't like that. c:
But heck, I never cared for canon anyway, so I just read them for the enjoyment!
Shadsie
11-21-2009, 08:43 AM
Have I replied in this thread before? I cannot remember.
I've only read the mangas online, actually. I'd like to get them someday if my situation improves. Manga can be pricey sometimes - I have the entire "Trigun" collection and the first "Petshop of Horrors" collection and I must have sunk a couple-hundred dollars into each over the years...
That said, I *love* the Ocarina of Time manga mainly because I adore how the characters are drawn. Both Zelda and Link look so sweet. Link, in particular, as such an innocence to his face in the manga. I also like how it really delves into his emotions upon finding out that he's not a Kokiri and in "doing what he had to do" regarding Volvagia - who, in the manga, was an ex-pet. That was dark. Shadsie likes dark.
I've said that I actually like the Oracles mangas better than the canon. And I enjoy those games a great deal... I'm replaying a linked Ages currently. Still, I like how the manga had some actual character development and backstory for Link, I like his relationship (dur, pretty girl! to friendship) he had with Din, I liked his brave little cuccoo, Piyoko, and I liked his ancestor, Raven. I also liked some of the "Back to the Future" esque stuff going on in the Ages manga - like where Raven was close to getting executed and Link almost faded out of existance. I do wish the seeds played a stronger role in the manga (since they're pivotal to the games), but I still find a lot to like about the Oracles mangas "better than canon."
Raven
11-25-2009, 11:11 AM
I've got to say the Zelda manga series intrigues me! once in a while i just couldnt help myself and read a few here at ZD, i like them a lot and found that Link talking was refreshing in many ways. I agree that they also add lots of character depth to the Zelda world and it was the OoA manga that inspired my own avatar for the forums!
anyway I just found out that Chapters (a book store of some renown) sells these manga comics. they have loads of them which I already knew about but now that I know they have the Zelda comics too I may have to get my hands on some of them. I have never gotten a manga before but I finally have a reason to get one now! ohhhh im so pumped!
on a final note the original side stories are very very interesting, and also i think i might go buy one of these Zelda manga books today! hmmm perhaps i will get the Minish Cap manga... it seems too bee very entertaining, though i havent spoiled the whole story for myself with the ZD version. Yep I look forward to reading right to left lol.
Zeruda
11-25-2009, 01:43 PM
For those interested in getting your hands on the manga: you can order them at Barnes & Noble free of charge! :> This is a good thing, since, for some reason, they're often hard to come buy when you're not buying them online. They only cost around USD$7-$10, so being able to order them for free is pretty cool. A new translation (I don't know which) is due to be released DEC 8, so you can pick it up the day after picking up ST! Two days of Zelda goodness. :>
Wolf Link Rules
12-06-2009, 12:13 AM
I need to ask someone this is the Legend of Zelda:Majora's Mask manga is it in japanese or english does it need to be translated?
Sparky
12-06-2009, 03:01 AM
For those interested in getting your hands on the manga: you can order them at Barnes & Noble free of charge! :> This is a good thing, since, for some reason, they're often hard to come buy when you're not buying them online. They only cost around USD$7-$10, so being able to order them for free is pretty cool. A new translation (I don't know which) is due to be released DEC 8, so you can pick it up the day after picking up ST! Two days of Zelda goodness. :>
Minish Cap, and then A Link to the Past in February.
I do wonder if they'll bother translating and releasing the Phantom Hourglass one or not.
It'll suck if they don't.
In other news, i'm very interested to see if they translate Volume 10: Phantom Hourglass.
In saying that, i'll be pissed if they don't, as there is no real logical reason to translate 9 volumes of a currently 10 volume series and ignore the last one.
I wonder if they'll make a Spirit Tracks one being that they did a Phantom Hourglass one as well......
Well, i decided to order my first Zelda Manga while i was doing a little internet shopping yesterday and bought OOT Vol. 1
It was about £3.60 alltogether with amazon's free delivery. If it's good i'll buy the rest, or ask for them as a christmas present :)
LANZZ
03-09-2010, 10:28 AM
I have read Ocarina of Time & A Link To The Past Manga. They're great......................
Now i trying to search other LOZ manga or comc................
LozzyKate
03-09-2010, 08:06 PM
I have read:
1. Ocarina of Time Part 1
2. Ocarina of Time Part 2
3. Majora's Mask
4. Four Swords Part 1
5. Four Swords Part 2
Pocket Asian
03-09-2010, 08:11 PM
The only one I have right now is the Minish Cap. I do plan on getting others if I can find them. If not, then there's always the website: http://viz.com/products/products.php?product_id=7702 :)
yotam
03-22-2010, 06:15 AM
I have red parts of the mangas, I didn't like them although I love manga. I actually enjoyed the WW manga, it was pretty funny.
Chiraku
03-23-2010, 12:43 AM
Well, the wind waker manga was a complete disgrace! It was more like a newspaper comic! I like the ocarina of time and Majora's mask manga because they have the best story and make things a lot more in depth. But it sure is a pity that TP doesn't have one...
vatti
03-23-2010, 12:43 AM
My friend has all of them even though she hates reading, and so I read all of them. I do enjoy them, and my favorite one is MC, hence my name.
Brandikins
03-23-2010, 07:59 AM
I have volumes 1-5 (OoT Parts 1 & 2, MM, both of the Oracles) and Volume 9 (ALttP). They sell them all at Borders at the mall near me so soon I'll have all of them. :)
Nye Pendragon
03-23-2010, 08:18 AM
I agree, but the manga was a charming little read. I think it was more for comic releif perposes, seeing as the Wind Waker itself had a lot of that. (:
I've read Majora's Mask and Four Swords and Minish Cap completely... I think Majora's Mask was my favorite so far~
Also, a TP manga would be EPIC. I wonder why they haven't come out with one yet...
monkeefun
03-24-2010, 01:33 AM
I actually own three of them right now (OoT 1 & 2 and ALttP), and am hoping to get more shortly. I get a giggle out of them, and I like the character development as well.
I keep hoping to see a TP one, but I'm kinda curious how they'd do that one. It'd be REALLY long and REALLY in depth. Fascinating, though, I think.
Jedizora
03-29-2010, 03:47 PM
i have read them all. my favorite is a link to the past which just came out.
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