Which Games Are Canon

[Tingle]

Well one of the main points of coversation is which games are canon in the series and what constitutes a game being considered canon. If you want to see which games I believe are canon see my timeline theory and my reasons are on New Trident theory thread.

Everybody (I Know) believes that LoZ, AoL, ALttP, LA, OOT, MM, WW, TP, PH are canon. I was wondering what everybody else considers canon, you dont have to list those above they will just be assumed. If you dont think a source is canon, post a small comment on why not.

A Link to the Past (SNES/GBA) - GBA

Oracle of Ages/Seasons - Yes
Four Swords - Yes
Four Swords Adventures - Yes
Minish Cap - Yes
Freshly Picked Tingles Rosy Rupeeland - Yes
Tingles Balloon Fight DS - Yes
Links Crossbow Training - Yes
BS Zelda - No idea but probably not
Ancient Stone Tablets - same as above
Zelda Game & Watch (2 Games) - same as above
Valiant Comic Series - no cant see it fitting
Catoon Series - no cant see it fitting
CD-I Games - no not nintendo autherised
SSB Series - no that would link hyrule to the mushroom kingdom :S
Soul Calibur 2 - The story fits but no
Navi Trackers - again no idea but doubt it

As you can see I have no idea on some of these sources but hopefully somebody can provide some enlightenment and even some new sources.

[Omega Speed]

I personally do not think that Four Swords is canon. The reason being is because it was a multiplayer add-on to GBA LttP. Four Swords Adventures is a GCN game that was made by itself because of the popularity of FS. This game, I consider canon.

I maintain that all Zelda games made by Nintendo, except those that I specify, are canon. This includes the Capcom games because they were made in collaboration with Nintendo. I am not sure about the Satteliview games and the CD-i games are non-canon. Nintendo did give permission for Philips to manufacture the games, but they are not canon. The cartoons, comics, and manga are non-canon unless Nintendo says they are. I am not sure about SSB. That game is a wild card. Spin-offs made by Nintendo are canon to me. If they take place during another game or after it, then they are canon. Navi Trackers was made by Nintendo, so that would be a yes.

[Tingle]

What do you think about FS being mentioned in the back story of FSA would that not make it canon for you?

They gave them the rights to Link, Zelda and Ganon but did not supervise or create these games and so I dont believe they can be considered canon.

Wouldnt SSB being canon mean that link could go to the mushroom kingdom and then catch a pikachu and use it to defeat Ganon who is now the leader of Team Rocket.

[sign of table]

The 14 main titles.
I wouldn't call AST and BS LoZ canon, as in actively use arguments from stuff in those games, but they show intent. Intent in 1998 was for LA to be after LttP. Intent for LoZ was for Ganon to have the Trident. Etc

[MrMosley]

Its not really an opinion of whats canon. The canon games are obvious. When Nintendo doesn't re release or make reference to a game in over 5 years, then you know its not canon. As mentioned above, the main titles (as well as FS) are canon.

Canon
LoZ, AoL, ALttP, LA, OoT, MM, OoS, OoA, FS, FSA, MC, TP, WW, PH (and soon, ST will be added to this list)

Not Canon
BS Zelda, AST, Game and Watch games, Comics, Cartoons, CD-i titles, SSB, Soul Calibur. All of these games are again, obviously not important to or tie in with the overall plot. Nintendo has made one big mistake in the entire series in creating a canon game that was not accessible to all players, and that was Four Swords. But other than that, when you have a game that is only released as a special add on or a spin off, if it isn't accessible to all players then its not canon.

Really Doesn't Matter
Any of the Tingle games, Link's Crossbow Training, Tetra's Trackers ( I think that's what they called it). These games don't matter because they are side games and aren't important at all to the overall plot of the series. Also, the Tingle games are not accessible by all players. This doesn't necessarily make them non-canon, its just that whether they are canon or not is obviously not important at all. In Nintendo released a game that was going to add to, take away, or do anything to the overall plot of the mainstream series, it would be made accessible to everyone, meaning released in all regions.

[Erimgard]

I consider the 14 major titles, and AST to be canon.
I see no reason to discard FS, seeing as FSA makes reference to it.

[angelkid]

Canon:
All the main 14 tittles, FS and FSA, TRR (Canon, and despite what someone else said above IS important as it answers the question 'How does Tingle get on so many timelines?')

Non-Canon:
BS Zelda, CD-I games, Link's crossbow training (Link never has a crossbow, I believe this is too modern for a canon Zelda game, and before Basement24 can jump in I know there is a Bazooka in TP,) the cartoons or the comics.[/COLOR]

Doesn't matter:
Tingles balloon fight, any of the japanese games and possibly Link's crossbow training. The reason being, none of these actually have a storyline. They are all just mini-games. Therefore, whether or not they are canon does not make a difference as either way, it will make an absolute zero difference to ANYTHING.[/COLOR]

[basement24]

Hey, there's a bazooka in--


and before Basement24 can jump in I know there is a Bazooka in TP,)

-awwww..... You beat me to it! :P

Link's Crossbow Training is not canon, but not just based on the crossbow alone. It was stated in an interview with Miyamoto and Iwata that the idea behind the game was to create a game based on TP that used the Wii Zapper. His team all wanted to put in epic stories and the like, but in the end, it was just to be a bunch of minigames that introduced the new peripheral.

So, in short, LCT shouldn't be considered canon. I think the only games that most people count, and are undoubtedly canon are the main 15 games that others here have mentioned. Everything else is just adaptations of games into different media, but shouldn't be regarded as part of the overall story.

This kind of goes back to a thread about what should and shouldn't be considered canon in general. I suppose in a way, you can think anything is canon in your own head, but in terms of public discussion on these matters, be prepared for backlash or defense of your concepts.* Most people just accept what is and what is canon based on personal preference in other franchises.

*I have yet to see anyone defending the canonnical nature of Link's fight with Captain N and Puss N Boots on top of the Statue of Liberty... It's things like this that pretty much clarify what and what not to accept into canon outside of the games.

[MrMosley]

Canon:
All the main 14 tittles, FS and FSA, TRR (Canon, and despite what someone else said above IS important as it answers the question 'How does Tingle get on so many timelines?')

True, it does answer that question, but the reason I put it under my "Doesn't Matter" category was because Tingle doesn't have all that important jobs that are crucial to the timeline. The biggest thing he done was decipher maps in WW. So I guess it could help by ruling Tingle out as a valid source in making a timeline, being that his reoccurance is explained in TRR.


and before Basement24 can jump in I know there is a Bazooka in TP,)

I keep hearing about this, so I have to ask. Where is this bazooka?

[Zemen]

I personally do not think that Four Swords is canon.

Four Swords goes right smack dab in the middle of 2 games that are canon. It is (timeline related) the second game in the FS series. MC and FSA are most certainly canon so there is absolutely no way that the game that goes in between them on a timeline is not canon. That would be like having a turkey sandwich without the turkey.

[Axle the Beast]

I consider all Zelda games (including Four Swords) canon except for the following:

Link's Crossbow Training, BS The Legend of Zelda, The Ancient Stone Tablets, Tetra's Trackers and CD-i.

I don't think I need to explain my reasons for most of them, except perhaps Stone Tablets. The thing just feels more like a minigame/spinoff/contest to me, so I don't personally feel it's canon.

I also don't consider any of the comics (including the manga) or shows canon.

I used to consider TRR non-canonical, but these days I'm a little neutral on it. It could be, it could not be. I don't know.

[Skull_Kid]

TRR, right now, is kinda pointless to consider as canon or not.
Maybe in the future it'll be easier necessary to help understand some stuff, but, if it was considered canon, there would be some clashes, for example:

According to the Salona dialogues, it had to be AFTER OoX, yet, it shows how Tingle came to be.
Tingle firstly appears in the Timeline in MC, considering that you take in mind the Creator's quotes.
So, see?Right now it hinders more than helps

[Caleb, Of Asui]

I'll go through the list of the "dubiously canon" games from the first post and give my spheal about the level of canon in each game.

Oracle of Ages/Seasons are both most definitely canon.

Four Swords is canon. People will be weird and question this, but few of them come up with and post their own timeline.

Four Swords Adventures is most definitely canon, even if Four Swords isn't.

The Minish Cap is also most definitely canon. Some people consider none of the Four Swords trilogy canon, with no justification as to why Nintendo would make The Minish Cap a normal Zelda game and not be canon. Generally, it's all the ones made and published by Nintendo that are canon.

Freshly Picked Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland is probably canon material. I haven't played it myself, and I doubt it really makes any huge difference when it comes to the timeline, but I remember reading something on the forums mentioning that it ties in at the end somehow (as to how, no details were given).

Tingle's Balloon Fight DS doesn't really follow any sort of story, and thus has no reason to be canon. If you say it is, all that proves is that, at times, Tingle likes to go fly on his balloons and do whatever is done in Balloon Fight (which I've never played or watched either version of, so I'm not entierly positive on how it works.) This game was also of exclusive obtainability to certain people in Japan for preording Thing's Rosy Rupeeland or something like that (not absolutely sure what it was).

Link's Crossbow Training, like Tingle's Balloon Fight DS, doesn't follow a story, so you can't really say this is or isn't canon. It would only prove that Link has a crossbow and occasionaly goes to fight enemies.

BS The Legend of Zelda is a remake of a canon Zelda game, so the only thing in this game they added (besides enhanced graphics) that isn't canon would be the fact that the character you control is the mascot for the whole sattelite system. It's definitely Link in the canon story.

Ancient Stone Tablets is something that I'd call canon. It was made and released by Nintendo just like all the canon Zelda games, so I don't see why not (Japan Only is a horrible reason for why not). In fact, it does prove some things about the timeline, one being the fact that Link's Awakening is, in fact, a direct sequel to A Link to the Past. The other would be (if I recall what I read correctly) the fact that Ganon is dead after Link defeats him, instead of exploding but still being alive, which makes little to no sense.

As for Zelda Game & Watch (2 Games), I'm not really sure how the story in this works. If it's the same as the original Legend of Zelda, then of course it's canon. If it's not, I think it probably falls under "poor follow-up" story-wise, leaving it as NOT canon, like most all of the Game & Watch games for their respective series.

The Valiant Comic Series, I believe, has been suggested to be canon at Zelda Wiki, simply because it follows up the the original two games and doesn't really shake many plot details, making it stand there making no difference. I don't believe they ever intended anything like the comic series to be canon, though, mostly because the comic belongs to a third party and isn't really fully Nintendo-approved. I can't see them putting it in their official timeline.

The Catoon Series is pretty much the same deal as the Comic Series, except for one detail. Like the comic, the cartoon is made and released by a third party and is unlikely to be considered canon by Nintendo. In addition, I know they do throw around details about Ganon and the Triforce, so it might be harder to place comfortably. Plus, the story flows a lot like a TV-type story, which I hate with a passion.

The CD-I Games are obviously not canon. I don't need to elaborate.

As for the Super Smash Bros. games: there would be no reason for the first two to be canon, as they have no story. Brawl, however, actually has a story involving all the characters (except for the last three you unlock - plus, Sonic doesn't do much). I expect Nintendo considers this to influence most of their series; however, this is in another world, so its existance doesn't do much to the whole Zelda timeline. It might show something about the relations between Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf and involve the Master Sword being drawn again for some time, but it has no trouble fitting after Twilight Princess without shaking much. It does show Ganondorf alive and well, but I think this only shows that people can reach that world after they die (which explains the absence of his huge scar in his belly). The Subspace Emissary is something I consider connected to all of Nintendo's worlds (by characters alone), so I'm not about the be shaken on this.

Soul Calibur 2 isn't canon in Zelda. The first post points out that "the story fits," which I'm sure it does. This game is not made or released by Nintendo, however, and Link's appearance is completely meant as a cameo (all the characters as cameos in Smash Bros. is an entirely different story).

Navi Trackers was a sort of mini game (not a mini-game) packed in Four Swords Adventures. I think that this, like Shadow Battle, is meant as something fun to do with multiple players in addition to the main story. The game that it comes in altogether is definitely canon, but the fact that Tetra appears in Navi Trackers does make it a bit uncomfortable. I doubt it has any significance and is really only meant as a cameo. Spirit Tracks has some chance of explaining something about the Four Sword, possibly making this more canon, but that's a bit too early to call. (Note: Considering The Minish Cap before the split and Four Swords + Four Swords Adventures on the Child Timeline, we don't know what happens to the Four Sword in the Adult Timeline.)

[angelkid]

TRR, right now, is kinda pointless to consider as canon or not.
Maybe in the future it'll be easier necessary to help understand some stuff, but, if it was considered canon, there would be some clashes, for example:

According to the Salona dialogues, it had to be AFTER OoX, yet, it shows how Tingle came to be.
Tingle firstly appears in the Timeline in MC, considering that you take in mind the Creator's quotes.
So, see?Right now it hinders more than helps

No but another essential point of TRR is that it shows that there are more than one Tingle. There are several. So, not every Tingle we see, is necessarily the same one.

Also, do you have these quotes? It'd be interesting to see.

[MrMosley]

I agree with most of your opinions, Caleb of Asui, except for a few here.


Ancient Stone Tablets is something that I'd call canon. It was made and released by Nintendo just like all the canon Zelda games, so I don't see why not (Japan Only is a horrible reason for why not).

First, AST's main character is a boy (or girl) apparently from the real world who wakes up in Hyrule somehow. Zelda calls him/her the Hero of Light. The game is fun and the story is quite interesting, but the intent I got from playing it was that it wanted to make the player feel as if they themselves actually warped to Hyrule and became the Hero of Light. Of course, this was always the intent with the Link character himself, but Link is no where to be found. The stories told of Link throughout the game are canon, but the dungeons have been completely switched around, some have been added to areas that did not have dungeons before. Also, I think the fact that it was only released in Japan is a good reason to not consider it canon. Whether or not the series is from Japan, that leaves out the majority of the Zelda players in PAL and U territories (as well as any other place that didn't recieve the game). Its not a good idea to have a canon game floating around that is essential to the storyline of the series and not let everyone have a fair chance to play it and learn about it.


In fact, it does prove some things about the timeline, one being the fact that Link's Awakening is, in fact, a direct sequel to A Link to the Past. The other would be (if I recall what I read correctly) the fact that Ganon is dead after Link defeats him, instead of exploding but still being alive, which makes little to no sense.

I don't see how it proves that LA is a sequel. I am in agreeance that LA is definitely the direct sequel of ALttP, but nothing in AST (aside from Link's absense) would stand as proof of LA being a sequel. Just as many people will argue that he left to go to Holodrum and Labrynna. Also, the story about Ganon was very similar to the one used in OoX in that Ganon came back, but was not fully resurected. I don't exactly remember how he accomplished this, but either way he is there as the last boss. He also has all of the same powers he had in ALttP.

[Skull_Kid]

No but another essential point of TRR is that it shows that there are more than one Tingle. There are several. So, not every Tingle we see, is necessarily the same one.

Also, do you have these quotes? It'd be interesting to see.

I don't have them, but the Salona speak of a hero dressed in green who helped them in the Past.
Since the Salona are clearly Subrosians, they are speaking about OoS's Link

[basement24]

I keep hearing about this, so I have to ask. Where is this bazooka?

When you're towards the end of Hyrule Castle at the end of the game, and the Group shows up to lend Link a hand, Auru uses a bazooka to stop a group of enemies on one of those bridges to the outer wall.

You can see it in this Youtube video, with the scene starting about the 4 minute mark. The bazooka shows up around 4:40.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQ1_6_ozqIc&feature=related

[MrMosley]

When you're towards the end of Hyrule Castle at the end of the game, and the Group shows up to lend Link a hand, Auru uses a bazooka to stop a group of enemies on one of those bridges to the outer wall.

You can see it in this Youtube video, with the scene starting about the 4 minute mark. The bazooka shows up around 4:40.

Wow, that was pretty epic. I honestly did not remember that cutscene at all.

[sign of table]

Its not a good idea to have a canon game floating around that is essential to the storyline of the series and not let everyone have a fair chance to play it and learn about it. Maybe not, but BS LoZ and AST show what they intended for certain things. Just because the events that happened in it aren't 100% canon doesn't mean that they didn't intend for a lot of the things shown in thsoe games (such as LoZ Ganon with trident).
but nothing in AST (aside from Link's absense) would stand as proof of LA being a sequel. I don't have the exact quote, but there is a quote in AST that says, I think word-for-word, "The hero... can't leave the dream". Which is, obviously, pretty strong evidence.

Just as many people will argue that he left to go to Holodrum and Labrynna. Or that 1998 canon =/= recent canon.

I don't have them, but the Salona speak of a hero dressed in green who helped them in the Past.
Since the Salona are clearly Subrosians, they are speaking about OoS's Link Actually the Salona speak of a hero who helped them defeat a demon. Which was most likely referring to the hero mentioned in-game, Lyphos. The same demon apparently cursed them which is why they wear those hoods. So if TRR is canon the backstory would be before OoS because they had the hoods in OoS.

[Omega Speed]

Wouldnt SSB being canon mean that link could go to the mushroom kingdom and then catch a pikachu and use it to defeat Ganon who is now the leader of Team Rocket.

That actually does not sound like a bad idea. Then, Ness can pull the Master Sword and save Princess Zelda from Bowser.

[Zemen]

All of the Super Smash Bros series are not the actual characters that are portrayed. In fact, in the first game you clearly see that all of the characters are just dolls that are used by the Master Hand (which is supposed to portray a person playing with them). They aren't the real characters, they are just dolls being played with.

I think in the second and third one they are trophies instead of dolls.

[Skull_Kid]

All of the Super Smash Bros series are not the actual characters that are portrayed. In fact, in the first game you clearly see that all of the characters are just dolls that are used by the Master Hand (which is supposed to portray a person playing with them). They aren't the real characters, they are just dolls being played with.

I think in the second and third one they are trophies instead of dolls.

In the second one they are dolls as well...

But wether they are the real characters or not, SSB are NOT canon, or the whole Nintendo franchise universe would be a total mess

[angelkid]

In the second one they are dolls as well...

But wether they are the real characters or not, SSB are NOT canon, or the whole Nintendo franchise universe would be a total mess

No, they are trophies in the second one. Little statues. That's why when you beat the game with one, you get their little statues. They aren't dolls.

[Super Goombario]

Why was SSB even brought up? It's clear that Link has never fought a floating hand nor a fox with a lazer gun.

[Skull_Kid]

If you read the entire thread, you'd understand...
Anyways, I am pretty sure that apart from

LoZ
AoL
ALttP/FSA
LA DX
OoS
OoA
OoT
MM
WW
TP
MC
PH
FSA and the aforementioned FS
And ST

all the other games ARE NOT canon

[Zeruda]

I have yet to see anybody mention ALttP's prequel. No, it wasn't a game, but it the Sound and Drama was official. It was released in 1994 with a soundtrack CD for the game. Obviously it's not playable, but there is information in there that could be considered important.

Unfortunately, not many people know about it, but it is an official release.

[Tingle]

Im intrigued got a link to it or to information on it, ive never heard of it before and since was official maybe its canon but id have to have a listen.

[sign of table]

Unfortunately, not many people know about it, but it is an official release. S&D also heavily contradicts the game.

And... damn it I just lost The Game...

[Tingle]

Im not sure how it contradicts the series but Ive only read it through once and didnt take much in, heres the transcript anyways

Link: I must hurry, Princess Zelda is in this tower! If I don't fend off Ganon's underlings quickly, I won't be able to help her! And without her, nothing will prevent the evil king Ganondorf from overtaking the world!

Zelda: Link! I'm here! Link!

Link: Zelda?!

Zelda: Link? Link!

Ganondorf: *laughing*

Link: Zelda!

****


~The Legend of Zelda~
A Prelude of Two



****

Link: I am called Link. The winds of change had begun to flow across then-peaceful kingdom of Hyrule when I first met her, Princess Zelda. Yes... it was the time of my father Banzetta and mother Loretta's death.

****

Banzetta: Loretta... please, be safe... Loretta!

Loretta: Link... your father comes... to help us... Link...

Banzetta: Loretta!

Loretta: My love!

Banzetta: Do not give up, Loretta!

Loretta: My love... Link... be clever... like him...

Banzetta: Loretta! No! Ganondorf's men did this!

****

Link: My father Banzetta was a soldier, fighting to protect the Triforce. In order not to burden him, I was left in the care of Princess Zelda's (who was only a year older than me) nurse, Egorowa.

****

Egorowa: Again you go to the battlefield...

Banzetta: I do not know when I shall return. However, looking at this child, I can see that he has escaped death. I would ask you to raise him as a knight, in order to die with honor and grace.

Egorowa: Banzetta...

Banzetta: After my death, I believe he will follow in my footsteps.

Egorowa: Very well, it shall be as you wish. Together, with my husband Alphon, we shall care for Link.

Banzetta: Then I bid you farewell, Link...

****

Link: My father Banzetta left to protect the kingdom of Hyrule and to avenge my mother Loretta. Ten years have passed since then. I am growing into a gallant swordsman, fatherless but not unloved.

****

Link: Hah! Yes!

Alphon: You have not defeated me yet! Your thrusts are excellent, Link!

Link: *in pain*

Alphon: *laughing* You should be more careful.

Egorowa: Dearest, Link! Come and eat!

Alphon: We're coming!

Link: *thrusts at Alphon* Yes!

Alphon: That was not fair, Link! *in pain*

Egorowa: Link is certainly becoming an equal match!

Alphon: Link is certainly quite adept! Just what one would expect from the son of an expert swordsman of Hyrule!

Egorowa: The princess says that Link will become a hero.

Alphon: Hmm.

****

Link: Since childhood I devoted my life to being a knight of Princess Zelda. Princess Zelda believed in me, trusted me.

****

Zelda: Link, if trouble were to befall me, would you come to my aid no matter the cost?

Link: Yes Princess, I will protect you even if it costs me my life.

Zelda: As daughter of the king, I partake in the rule of the land. Link, you are of courageous heart and mind. To honor your valor, I hereby grant you the title of Royal Knight.

****

Link: Aunt Egorowa watched us, smiling. I knew from then that my destiny was tied to Princess Zelda forever.

****

Zelda: Link, follow me.

Link: Wh-where are we going, Princess?

Zelda: Beyond this gateway sleeps the legendary treasure, the Triforce.

Link: The Triforce?

Zelda: A sacred relic which controls power, imparts wisdom, and strengthens courage. If the complete, three-crested Triforce resides within the true hero, it will be at its greatest strength.

Link: The true hero...

Zelda: Yes. For the one who possesses the Triforce... will gain the powers of the goddesses.

Link: If I have the power to protect you, I need nothing else.

Zelda: You're too noble, aren't you? But not everyone in this world is like you... the evil sorceror Ganondorf also desires to have this holy relic.

Link: Ganondorf...

Zelda: Yes... and then the Royal Family of Hyrule will be cast away by him, and the world laid to ruin and despair.

Link: If something like that ever happened to you, I... I...

Zelda: Link, YOU are the true hero. Now open the gate and it shall grant you the courage you need.

Link: ... yes, Your Highness.

*the gate opens*

Link: This... is the Triforce...?

Zelda: Go, Link... touch the Crest of Courage.

Link: As you wish, Princess.

****

Link: At the time, there was no way of knowing that what I had touched was the true Triforce, but I believed I had the courage of the goddesses. Not too long after, something terrible happened.

****

Zelda: Father! Father!

Ganondorf's Follower: I found the princess!

Zelda: You people killed my father!

Ganondorf's Followers: Yes, and for King Ganondorf we killed the kingdom of Hyrule too! We've killed everything in the castle. But relax... we won't kill you, Princess, not yet.

Zelda: Let go of me!!

****

Link: As for me, Egorowa hid me someplace safe, but Zelda's screams still pierced the air.

****

Link: I have courage and power! Princess Zelda!

Ganondorf's Follower: There's still someone in the castle!

Ganondorf's Follower 2: We must destroy everything, or we will be killed by

Ganondorf! Go!

Ganondorf's Followers: Right!

Egorowa: Link! Run for your life!

Link: No! I must help Princess Zelda!

Egorowa: The castle is burning; even if you fight here you'll only be killed. Go to the secret exit and escape the castle!

Link: Release me! I must help Princess Zelda! I must!

Egorowa: You do not yet possess enough power! You must go to Alphon!

****

Link: Aunt Egorowa and I mounted a horse and sped to Alphon.

****

Link: Let me off! I must fight them!

Egorowa: Link, listen to me carefully. Go to Alphon and wait for the time to come. Princess Zelda will call to your heart.

Link: Call to my...?

Egorowa: Link... if you are the true hero, use wisdom, power and courage as they are needed and you will persevere against all odds. Love is the key. It is evil's bane.

Link: Aunt Egorowa...

Egorowa: Being a hero isn't only plunging into the thick of battle. It is also knowing when it's better to wait for the opportune moment to strike.

Link: ... I understand.

Egorowa: Then we must part. Link...

Link: Wait... Aunt Egorowa... Aunt Egorowa!

****

Link: That was the last time I saw Aunt Egorowa. She had lured Ganondorf's followers into a cave, and together they died in an explosion. No!

****

*Link is crying*

Alphon: Link... Link!

Link: Uncle Alphon?

Alphon: Egorowa died to protect Princess Zelda and the kingdom from Ganondorf's hand. She believed that you were the true hero. You mustn't be sad for her. She died honorably, and that is never a sad thing. Link...

Link: That's... good, isn't it... uncle...

****

Link: There wasn't a day I wasn't haunted by the deafening roar of the explosion that robbed me of my aunt.

****

Alphon: Link, there is nothing more I can teach you.

Link: Uncle...

Alphon: The most important thing you must learn now is not the way of the sword, but the way of the heart.

Link: The way of the heart?

Alphon: Yes. Do not let hatred consume your soul. Instead, fill your heart with love. If you do, you will be able to hear the voices of those you love.

Link: Voices?

Egorowa: Wait for the time to come. Princess Zelda will call to your heart.

****

Link: What should I do... how can I forget my hatred? Ganondorf killed my mother and Aunt Egorowa. I will always thirst for his blood.

Egorowa: Link...

Link: Aunt Egorowa?

Egorowa: Have you forgotten the power of the true hero? The power of the true hero is love...

****

Link: With that, I was woken by a voice faintly remembered. A voice guiding me on a long and perilous journey.

****

Zelda: Link!

Link: Zelda!

Zelda: Help! Link! Help me! Link!

Link: I'm coming! Zelda! Zelda! Zelda! Zelda!




~The End~

[sign of table]

^The king wasn't dead in LttP. S&D contradicts LttP so I'd say it's not canon.

[Zeruda]

^The king wasn't dead in LttP. S&D contradicts LttP so I'd say it's not canon.
Actually....
In the game itself, it's not said the king is dead. However, he is not seen at all throughout the game. It isn't until the ending scene that we see him. It's very possible that he was killed and resurrected by Link's wish, just as Link's uncle was.

Sound & Drama doesn't really contradict anything in the game.

[Chrono]

Legend of Zelda BS is canon. It was literally a third quest for LoZ. If it isn't canon then neither is the 2nd quest for LoZ.

[MrMosley]

Legend of Zelda BS is canon. It was literally a third quest for LoZ. If it isn't canon then neither is the 2nd quest for LoZ.

The second quest isn't canon either. Both BS Zelda and the second quest were just things for people to play and ways for Nintendo to get more out of the game. It wouldn't make any sense at all for Link to go through his adventure once, then do it all over again. Only one story is true in LoZ, and that is the first quest.

[Shadsie]

*Comes in without having really looked at the topic* ... But I just read the transcript posted of that CD Drama that I had no idea existed up until tonight! Cool!

It doesn't contradict the game any, but I'd say it contradicts the Akira Himekawa manga for Triforce of the Gods (ALTTP), which is *also* an official Nintendo release. However, just because something is official doesn't mean it is canon - the manga... all the Zelda mangas in fact, though official Nintendo merchandise, are explicitly non-canon, and do deviate from the games.

I don't know if the Sound Drama would be considered the same way in that respect? Is it officially considered more connected to the games, just as the mangas, while official, are officially non-canon?

[Chrono]

Nintendo made it, it is canon. Cd-i Zelda? Non canon. By your theory... Link's Awakening DX is non canon due to the new dungeon. OoT MQ is non canon due to harder dungeons. ALttP/Four Swords non canon due to the new dungeon in ALttP.

[Zeruda]

*Comes in without having really looked at the topic* ... But I just read the transcript posted of that CD Drama that I had no idea existed up until tonight! Cool!

It doesn't contradict the game any, but I'd say it contradicts the Akira Himekawa manga for Triforce of the Gods (ALTTP), which is *also* an official Nintendo release. However, just because something is official doesn't mean it is canon - the manga... all the Zelda mangas in fact, though official Nintendo merchandise, are explicitly non-canon, and do deviate from the games.

I don't know if the Sound Drama would be considered the same way in that respect? Is it officially considered more connected to the games, just as the mangas, while official, are officially non-canon?

The mangas aren't official Nintendo releases. In fact, they are only licensed. Copyrighted. Nintendo has legal rights to the mangas, but they weren't created by Nintendo. They have been approved for profitable release, but have not been deemed official/canon. Akira Himekawa are big on ZeLink shipping and creation of original characters (Ganti, Raven, etc), but they are not at all employed by Nintendo. Basically, they got approval to draw their own adaptation of the stories.
Fun Fact: The Rito tribe was inspired by Himekawa-sensei's Watarara race.

Sound and Drama, on the other hand, is an official Nintendo release, right alongside the music of Koji Kondo. I'd stand to say that S&D is canon, but I'm not going to state that it's fact. It does, however, have more weight to it than Akira Himekawa's mangas.

Not trying to argue that S&D is canon, nor am I trying to argue against it. Just clearing a few things up. :) I could create a manga and obtain the lincense through Nintendo (if they liked it enough), but it wouldn't mean it was canon.

[Chrono]

Oh, btw... http://ui24.gamefaqs.com/1271/gfs_40267_1_9.jpg The King seen...dead.

[Alter]

I suggest that we take a look at what Zelda Wiki (http://www.zeldawiki.org/) is saying, all of which I agree with.

Legend of Zelda - Yes
Adventure of Link - Yes
A Link to the Past - Yes
Link's Awakening/DX - Yes
BS Zelda - It's basically a remake of LoZ. Doesn't matter.
Ancient Stone Tablets - It's basically a remake of ALttP. Doesn't matter.
Ocarina of Time - Yes
Majora's Mask - Yes
Oracle of Ages/Seasons - Yes
Four Swords - Yes
Four Swords Adventures - Yes
Minish Cap - Yes

Now for the interesting ones...

Freshly Picked Tingles Rosy Rupeeland - Yes
Tingles Balloon Fight DS - Yes, but it doesn't really matter.
Links Crossbow Training - No, but it doesn't really matter.
Zelda Game & Watch + Zelda Game Watch- No, but it doesn't really matter.
Valiant Comic Series - Ambiguously Canon. This means that it could be canon, but there is no official statement from Nintendo. The stories actually fit in perfectly. PM me for details. ;)
Catoon Series - No
CD-I Games - No Nintendo involvement, therefore, non-canon.
SSB Series - No
Soul Calibur 2 - No

You also mentioned Navi Trackers. This was simply a mini-game. Same as Link's Crossbow Training.

I can pretty much guarantee you that this list is as accurate as possible. Correct me if you see an error.

[MrMosley]

Ancient Stone Tablets - It's basically a remake of ALttP. Doesn't matter.

This is really the only error I see. AST was a game that took place after the events of ALttP, rather than being a remake of it. I still consider it non-canon. My reasons, you can see in my first post.

[Alter]

This is really the only error I see. AST was a game that took place after the events of ALttP, rather than being a remake of it. I still consider it non-canon. My reasons, you can see in my first post.

I've never played it with a language patch, so I really can't say much about it. Perhaps I'll give it a whirl and see.

Thanks for the info, bro.

[Shadsie]

The mangas aren't official Nintendo releases. In fact, they are only licensed. Copyrighted. Nintendo has legal rights to the mangas, but they weren't created by Nintendo. They have been approved for profitable release, but have not been deemed official/canon. Akira Himekawa are big on ZeLink shipping and creation of original characters (Ganti, Raven, etc), but they are not at all employed by Nintendo. Basically, they got approval to draw their own adaptation of the stories.
Fun Fact: The Rito tribe was inspired by Himekawa-sensei's Watarara race.

Sound and Drama, on the other hand, is an official Nintendo release, right alongside the music of Koji Kondo. I'd stand to say that S&D is canon, but I'm not going to state that it's fact. It does, however, have more weight to it than Akira Himekawa's mangas.

Not trying to argue that S&D is canon, nor am I trying to argue against it. Just clearing a few things up. :) I could create a manga and obtain the lincense through Nintendo (if they liked it enough), but it wouldn't mean it was canon.

Thanks for the clear-up. (I've been trying to clear up Copyright law on something non-related on a thread at North Castle so I know how complicated this stuff can get).

Is the inspiration between the Watarara and the Rito actually officially confirmed? If so I KNEW IT!

[RyanNope]

LttP/Four swords - semi-canon, new content is non-canon
Oracle of Ages/Seasons - canon
Four Swords - canon, I still think the gameplay is a spinoff
Four Swords Adventures - canon, same as above
Minish Cap - canon
Freshly Picked Tingles Rosy Rupeeland - spinoff, non-canon
Tingles Balloon Fight DS - spinoff, non-canon
Links Crossbow Training - spinoff, non-canon
BS Zelda - spinoff, non-canon
Ancient Stone Tablets - spinoff, non-canon
Zelda Game & Watch (2 Games) - non-canon
Valiant Comic Series - non-canon
Catoon Series - more than likely non-canon
CD-I Games - Defiantly non-canon
SSB Series - non-canon
Soul Calibur 2 - non-canon
Navi Trackers - non-canon


Nintendo made it, it is canon. Cd-i Zelda? Non canon. By your theory... Link's Awakening DX is non canon due to the new dungeon. OoT MQ is non canon due to harder dungeons. ALttP/Four Swords non canon due to the new dungeon in ALttP.

Just because Nintendo made it doesn't necessarily make it canon. If BS is canon then so is OoT:Master Quest.

[Skull_Kid]

Actually, and just actually, the original LA is the non canon one...
I had to say this.
Also, FOUR SWORD and FOUR SWORDS ADVENTURES Are totally canon, period!
This isn't even debatable anymore.
And Tingle's Rosy Rupeeland might well become canon in the years/months to come

[RyanNope]

FOUR SWORD and FOUR SWORDS ADVENTURES Are totally canon, period!

I must disagree. I personally count Four Swords as a spinoff minigame, and Four Swords Adventures as a spinoff. Considering I consider them such, they are both non-canon in my book. (Search your feelings. You know this to be true... lol jk)

At the very least Four Swords is non-canon, since FSA was pretty much the Completed or Extended story of the FS minigame that came with LttP on GBA rather than a sequel. Do you disagree?

I'm not looking for a debate on this matter, my mind is made up. You can count what ever you wish to count as canon or non-canon. Opinions are what this topic is for right?

(Wasn't the original Four Swords made by Capcom or some other 3rd party developer? Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

[Skull_Kid]

Four Swords was developped by Capcom under the supervision of Nintendo(just like the Oracles, and Minish Cap, if I am not mistaken), and FS is the BS of FSA.
FSA contains lots of evidence that it is canon

[RyanNope]

I am willing to accept the validity of the story of FSA to be canon. How ever I think the gameplay/graphics are still somewhat of a spinoff of LttP mixed with WW.

But I still can not agree with you that FS was/is canon.

[MrMosley]

I am willing to accept the validity of the story of FSA to be canon. How ever I think the gameplay/graphics are still somewhat of a spinoff of LttP mixed with WW.

But I still can not agree with you that FS was/is canon.

FS sets up FSA. If FSA is canon, then FS has to be. FS is also a continuation of MC, which is also canon. All the games belong in the Four Swords Saga.

Vaati comes to power, Vaati is sealed away - MC
*We also see how the Four Sword came to be in MC, and at the end, learn that it was placed in a shrine.

Vaati escapes, he is sealed away again - FS
*Here, we actually see the Four Sword in the shrine it was placed in after MC

Vaati escapes a second time, is seemingly destroyed - FSA

All these titles work together as a continuation. Without FS, there would be no FSA, which is definitely canon. They would also never mention a non-canon game's story or plot in the backstory of a canon title. If you believe FSA is canon, then you can't deny that FS is canon as well, as explained in FSA's BS.

[RyanNope]

Hmm, it's been a while since I've played through FS or FSA, I was thinking that FSA was the completed version with the completed story. If what you say is true, and it sounds about right, then it would be canon as long as MC and FSA are also canon, which I do believe they are. My bad. I'll go edit my canon/non-canon list accordingly

[Skull_Kid]

Hmm, it's been a while since I've played through FS or FSA, I was thinking that FSA was the completed version with the completed story. If what you say is true, and it sounds about right, then it would be canon as long as MC and FSA are also canon, which I do believe they are. My bad. I'll go edit my canon/non-canon list accordingly

In the Other Zelda section there's a thread with ALL the quotes in the game.
Use some spare time to read it and you'll understand why it is canon, and why it is usually placed before ALttP

[ChargewithSword]

The GBA version of Alttp is canon, since it changed the evidence used in the original game (such as the manual.) Nintendo had purposely changed everything they could instead of just simply porting the thing from it's SNES counterpart.

The Four Swords games are also completly canon seeing as how Ganon and Gerudos have appeared in the games, not to mention that there is evidence linking FS to OOT.

I consider the Nintendo Power comics... somewhat canon considering Nintendo had a small amount of part with NP.

The CD-i games are not Canon and they don't even provide evidence of linking to any games.