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BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 03:44 AM
............MC--FSA--ALTTP/LA
..........OoT
.........\MM--FSA--OoX
.........LoZ/AoL/TP
.........WW/PH--ST
I believe this is how it should be.

sign of table
06-26-2009, 04:27 AM
The split has been confirmed. I'm not commenting on a crappy linear timeline until that gets fixed.

Skull_Kid
06-26-2009, 07:23 AM
Where's the split?
Like Sign of Justice said, there's no need in commenting and arguing about a timeline that is wrong from the start.
The SPLIT has been confirmed by both Shigeru Myiamoto and Eiji Aonouma, so, you can't just come in and deny it's existence.
I suggest that you take a look at other timelines and work your mind from there.

Tingle
06-26-2009, 10:27 AM
As the others have said why is there no split as this have been confirmed many times over the last few years.

Also how does ALTTP take place before OOT as Ganon is in ALTTP and Ganondorf is not introduced until OOT and transforms into Ganon at the end.

At the end of FSA, Ganon is sealed not killed and in OOX, Twinrova are attempting to revive Ganon not break him from the seal.

In OOX, Ganon dies again but in LoZ he is alive and well before being killed again which leads to TP where Ganon is alive yet again and now in the Twilight Realm.

The WW BS tells us that Ganon escapes the seal from OOT and no hero opposses him and the land is flooded but Link fights Ganon 4 times between OOT and WW.

basement24
06-26-2009, 10:31 AM
Even though the box description and promo material from the time of its release would tell you otherwise, it's probably safe to say ALttP is either the absolute end of the story, or at least the end of the use of the Master Sword. It could be why it doesn't appear in LoZ or AoL. I say this because at the end of ALttP it's stated that "the Master Sword sleeps again... forever!"

So, maybe it just wasn't used in LoZ or AoL, and it was revived again in ALttP, but I don't think any game that comes after it could have the Master Sword used.

BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 12:25 PM
I though ALTTP had to take place before OoT because in the ALTTP, Ganon is sealed in the "Sacred Realm" which was once really the Sacred Realm, until it became the Dark World because of Ganon, now, not just in ALTTP, but every game with the Master Sword, it sleeps seemingly "forever" however it is always picked up again by another Link. Then comes LA right after ALTTP.

SO anyway, Oot is now a new Link, Zelda, and possibly Ganon, as he is the Light World (which you really actually have to call "The Child Timeline" now), and so the Sacred Realm is normal, until sometime in the 7 years that Link is sleeping in, where he once again gets the Triforce of Power (as the Triforce was recompleted in ALTTP), and now Hyrule in fact becomes similar to the Dark World. These 7 sages, most likely descendants of ALTTP's sages, are awakened. Link kills Ganon and such, and you can even catch a glimpse of the Trident of Power. Then he goes back in time and then Ganon is arrested.

Then Child Link looks for Navi, and ends up in the woods, and then follows Skull Kid and ends up in Termina, which is really similar to Hyrule (As the map is close to the OoT map).

Then, the FSA and OoX need to go somewhere, since their place in the timeline does not really matter. FSA is similar to a spin-off except Ganon is in it. OoX are in totally different lands, so it can be before or after the WW sub-series.

Then comes The Legend of Zelda, then right after it Adventure of Link, and finally TP (The slash is for Adult timeline for TP, not direct sequel). TP also has a heavy reference to the OoT Link: the Hero's Shade.

Anyway, then in WW, no hero appears, and so it's flooded. Then we find Ganon, and the Master Sword and apparently it's last appearance (according to the timeline, not the release dates), then seemingly directly after is PH, and ST is of course, 100 years later, as Hyrule is back on land.

Skull_Kid
06-26-2009, 12:29 PM
I am gonna make a relatively short post, cause I have no patience to try to deny every wrong thing you said.
I just want to point this:
There are different Zeldas and Links, But ganondorf/ganon, is always the same throughout the entire series.
Oh, and FSA is clearly a prequel to ALttP

BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 12:31 PM
How is Ganon the same? This just confuses me. He is actually killed in some of them. Well in any case, Ganondorf apparently comes back in the beginning of OoT.

Erimgard
06-26-2009, 12:42 PM
aLttP before OoT?
I'd like to see that one explained....

BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 12:45 PM
I thought it would be impossible for OoT to come before ALTTP, as Ganon is sealed at the end of OoT, however in ALTTP, he is sealed later on. If he is sealed in OoT I doubt he can come out for ALTTP. Plus, the Triforce does not recombine in OoT, so he wouldn't be able to get it in ALTTP.

Skull_Kid
06-26-2009, 12:47 PM
How is Ganon the same? This just confuses me. He is actually killed in some of them. Well in any case, Ganondorf apparently comes back in the beginning of OoT.

Have you ever played every game?
Triforce of Power gives immortality to it's user, and he only dies in:

WW=Doesn't seem like he's gonna return anytime soon on the Adult part of the timeline

TP= Only the Physical part dies

LoZ= real death

ALttP= I'm not sure if he really dies, haven't played it in a long time



In OoX he is ressurrected, that's why he comes back

Erimgard
06-26-2009, 12:48 PM
In aLttP Hylians are virtually extinct, and the Hylian Language is dead.
Both thrive in OoT.

And for the record, OoT was designed as a prequel to aLttP (though that may have changed years later) and Shigeru Miyamoto, the creator and primary director of the Zelda series, stated that OoT is before aLttP.

Skull_Kid
06-26-2009, 12:50 PM
In aLttP Hylians are virtually extinct, and the Hylian Language is dead.
Both thrive in OoT.

And for the record, OoT was designed as a prequel to aLttP (though that may have changed years later) and Shigeru Miyamoto, the creator and primary director of the Zelda series, stated that OoT is before aLttP.


It is still a prequel to ALttP, just not a direct one.
I think that, as far as timeline theories go, going against the creators' quote doesn't represent any smartness

BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 12:51 PM
Have you ever played every game?
Triforce of Power gives immortality to it's user, and he only dies in:

WW=Doesn't seem like he's gonna return anytime soon on the Adult part of the timeline

TP= Only the Physical part dies

LoZ= real death

ALttP= I'm not sure if he really dies, haven't played it in a long time



In OoX he is ressurrected, that's why he comes back
>_> I have and beaten every game except the Four Swords+ALTTP one which I don't want and don't need.
You make a good point, however, how would he have died if he had then Triforce. Usually Link has the Triforce, and Zelda, Link, and Ganon are in a room, and so the Triforce would have recombined, but I have only seen that happen in WW, and it was after the battle, so I don't know how he lost immortality.

Erimgard
06-26-2009, 12:52 PM
In aLttP Ganon doesn't physically have the Triforce, but he touches it and wishes on it. Link kills him with Silver Arrows/Master Sword.

Skull_Kid
06-26-2009, 12:53 PM
You already answered that last question in your post.
He was "dead", and losing the triforce made him stay dead.See?Easy.
One friendly advice: use zelda wiki and youtube to help you to build a decent timeline

Erimgard
06-26-2009, 12:54 PM
I hope to Din you mean use youtube for walkthroughs, and not for watching youtube timelines. Those things are awful.

BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 12:58 PM
AH! Silly me. I forgot that Link has to kill Ganon with the Master Sword/Silver Arrows. I haven't played a Zelda game in a while.

Zemen
06-26-2009, 03:07 PM
I hope to Din you mean use youtube for walkthroughs, and not for watching youtube timelines. Those things are awful.

Did you really just say "I hope to Din"........


AH! Silly me. I forgot that Link has to kill Ganon with the Master Sword/Silver Arrows. I haven't played a Zelda game in a while.

It's probably a good idea to read all creator quotes referring to the timeline on ZeldaWiki and to actually go back and play the games.

It's not at all a good idea to create a timeline on knowledge of games you haven't played in years.

sign of table
06-26-2009, 04:17 PM
Did you really just say "I hope to Din"........ To clear this one up, Erimgard is in the Din clan on ZU :P

You added the split(s)... I'm confused... are there multiple splits in there?
TP= Only the Physical part dies I'd like proof for this. His ToP faded away and he died. I think it's pretty clear that he's completely dead.
There are different Zeldas and Links, But ganondorf/ganon, is always the same throughout the entire series.
Oh, and FSA is clearly a prequel to ALttP FSA clearly has a new Ganon.

BlueLink57
06-26-2009, 06:50 PM
I hope to Din you mean use youtube for walkthroughs, and not for watching youtube timelines. Those things are awful.
I er.. kinda got inspired by the Angry Video Game Nerd.

basement24
06-26-2009, 07:43 PM
I er.. kinda got inspired by the Angry Video Game Nerd.

Oh dear. It's an entertaining video, and maybe it's good to get some basic facts out of, but it's not too informative to start a timeline on I would say. He's more stating about how confusing it is. A few things he says that are of note:

- AoL is the only direct sequel in the series. He then mentions LA being a sequel to ALttP & MM to OoT
- LA is the first in it's own series of games that ignores the originals
- ALttP can't be last, or have anything before it based on the word "Past" in the title
- ALttP's Link is the same link as LoZ, AoL, and LA, and ALttP is his first adventure
- SSB shouldn't be ignored in the timeline

Overall, he admits he's confused, he says he doesn't know a lot, and it was written as a comedy piece. He also colourfully "doesn't give a [poop]". He's just pointing out how confusing it is, and is presenting i as someone who isn't really trying to figure it out. I wouldn't base a timeline on this video.

BlueLink57
06-27-2009, 11:22 AM
I actually just got some help. A little help. But a lot of his statements were really useful, like explaining how MC might be first.

Erimgard
06-27-2009, 01:24 PM
Did you really just say "I hope to Din"........
"I hope to Din", "For the love of Din", "What in Din's name", "Din-dammit", and "Oh sweet Din", are some of my favorite phrases :D

@BlueLink
While AVGN is amazing, and brings up some good pionts, his video is not reliable for constructing a timeline. He didn't do much research.

@SoJ
Lol. Like I ever actually go in the clans xD

Skull_Kid
06-29-2009, 06:48 AM
I hope to Din you mean use youtube for walkthroughs, and not for watching youtube timelines. Those things are awful.

I'm just posting to clear this, I was trying to say neither one nor the other.
I was trying to say, for hinm to watch, at least, the cutscenes and dialogues of games that he may haven't played, or played but doesn't quite remember.
And use the Youtube to watch them.
Youtube's timelines are ridiculous, and so is Angry Video Game's nerd timeline

Erimgard
06-29-2009, 01:41 PM
That's what I meant by walkthroughs...they contain the cutscenes and such. Glad we got that cleared up *thumbs up*