WW: 100 Years After OoT? No.

[Axle the Beast]

I have heard that Nintendo officially stated (I myself have no proof of it and am not certain that they really did) that The Wind Waker takes place one hundred years after Ocarina of Time. Since Twilight Princess also takes place one hundred years after OoT, that makes them both alternate timelines.

However, I've never thought it possible for WW to take place only one hundred years after OoT. It's just not long enough for everyone to, key words here, forget about Hyrule.

But strengthening my stance on this, I was playing WW the other day and the King of Red Lions clearly states that HUNDREDS of years have passed since the flood. Plural.

This implies to me that TP could actually take place between OoT and WW, rather than replacing WW in the timeline.

[DekuLink]

It's possible that they were misquoted in saying 100 and possibly said hundreds (Or possibly a mistranslation in the game), but this doesn't change the fact that the games are both in different timelines. (See the sages)

[Axle the Beast]

It's possible that they were misquoted in saying 100 and possibly said hundreds, but this doesn't change the fact that the games are both in different timelines. (See the sages)
I see no reason why the sages place them in different timelines, but then again, I don't actually have TP.

Could you explain?

(And you're right, that is possible about them being misquoted.)

[Zero the Cursed]

that's an interesting theory axle. i would have to agree with u on the second part.

[DekuLink]

Well in TWW you can see the seven "awakened" sages at the bottom of Hyrule castle with the different people (Saria, Ruto, ect.). That is because it's after Link killed Ganondorf with the sages that he awakened. And they sealed him away. In TWW he got out and wreaked havoc across Hyrule.

But in TP, the sages are the same. Because they weren't awakened (When Link went back before they were). Plus, the sages found Ganondorf and a bunch of thieves committing crimes (Not sure, living on memory here) and that's when they went on to judge him with that huge *** sword.

Thus placing them in their respective timelines. Once again Nintendo: This is what you get for putting gameplay before story.

[Axle the Beast]

Well in TWW you can see the seven "awakened" sages at the bottom of Hyrule castle with the different people (Saria, Ruto, ect.). That is because it's after Link killed Ganondorf with the sages that he awakened. And they sealed him away. In TWW he got out and wreaked havoc across Hyrule.

But in TP, the sages are the same. Because they weren't awakened (When Link went back before they were). Plus, the sages found Ganondorf and a bunch of thieves committing crimes (Not sure, living on memory here) and that's when they went on to judge him with that huge *** sword.

Thus placing them in their respective timelines. Once again Nintendo: This is what you get for putting gameplay before story.
Sages are the same? Same as what? All I can see is that they've got special garb. I could be mistaken.

If that's the case, though, they could be the same "awakened" sages, just wearing the same clothing, making them somewhat generic.

[DekuLink]

They're all plain white with no faces other than some floating masks. They all are identical except for the sign.

http://zeldawiki.org/images/f/f8/Sage.png

[Axle the Beast]

Yeah, I know what they look like.

I still think Nintendo could have just given the sages some weird new generic look, but still intend them to be the same as the awakened sages...

Actually, the fact that they're all identical implies to me that it's more possible that I'm right than if they looked different, but were still masked/covered.

[DekuLink]

There are a couple more things to prove that TP is in the child timeline. I can't think of any off the top of my head right now. Any fellow ZDers wanna come swing the bat over here?

[Zemen]

There are a couple more things to prove that TP is in the child timeline. I can't think of any off the top of my head right now. Any fellow ZDers wanna come swing the bat over here?

ill take it from here.

the BS for WW says that the HoT saved the day and then disappeared. Ganondorf escaped and the people prayed for the HoT to return but he didnt and because there was no one to stop Ganondorf, the goddesses flooded Hyrule.

now, in TP we get told a BS later on in the game that talks about Ganondorf being up for execution. they couldnt kill him so they sent him to the twilight realm. he plots to escape but ultimately fails.

now heres the best point im gonna make.

in WW, Ganondorf was said to have escaped his prison, thus leading to the flooding of Hyrule.

at the end of TP, Ganondorf is killed, not sealed in a different realm. if Ganondorf is killed at the end of TP then how does he "escape his prison" as the BS of WW says? there is no talk of ressurections or anything like that so its obvious they are different timelines. also, WW makes a big deal about the HoT. the whole reason that Link even goes on an adventure is because its his islands tradition to go out and fight monsters in honor of the HoT (HoT is hero of time by the way). TP has absolutely NO MENTION of the HoT.

[DekuLink]

ill take it from here.

the BS for WW says that the HoT saved the day and then disappeared. Ganondorf escaped and the people prayed for the HoT to return but he didnt and because there was no one to stop Ganondorf, the goddesses flooded Hyrule.

I COMPLETELY forgot about this. See how bad my memory is when I'm sick? :sick:

[Axle the Beast]

ill take it from here.

the BS for WW says that the HoT saved the day and then disappeared. Ganondorf escaped and the people prayed for the HoT to return but he didnt and because there was no one to stop Ganondorf, the goddesses flooded Hyrule.

now, in TP we get told a BS later on in the game that talks about Ganondorf being up for execution. they couldnt kill him so they sent him to the twilight realm. he plots to escape but ultimately fails.

now heres the best point im gonna make.

in WW, Ganondorf was said to have escaped his prison, thus leading to the flooding of Hyrule.

at the end of TP, Ganondorf is killed, not sealed in a different realm. if Ganondorf is killed at the end of TP then how does he "escape his prison" as the BS of WW says? there is no talk of ressurections or anything like that so its obvious they are different timelines. also, WW makes a big deal about the HoT. the whole reason that Link even goes on an adventure is because its his islands tradition to go out and fight monsters in honor of the HoT (HoT is hero of time by the way). TP has absolutely NO MENTION of the HoT.
Well, you bring up a good point there, then. I still think it doesn't definitely imply anything for certain... but I'll leave it alone and say you have a very good point and are very possibly right.

[Zemen]

im also pretty sure that there are creator quotes where they say that TP takes place 100 years after OoT on the child timeline.

[Zenox]

at the end of TP, Ganondorf is killed, not sealed in a different realm. if Ganondorf is killed at the end of TP then how does he "escape his prison" as the BS of WW says? there is no talk of ressurections or anything like that so its obvious they are different timelines. also, WW makes a big deal about the HoT. the whole reason that Link even goes on an adventure is because its his islands tradition to go out and fight monsters in honor of the HoT (HoT is hero of time by the way). TP has absolutely NO MENTION of the HoT.

Ganon has been killed many times, just like there's many different Link's. in LoZ, Ganon is killed, because AoL, his minions are trying to revive him, if he didn't die, they wouldn't try to do that.

Anyway, The Twilight Princess Ganon and the Wind Waker Ganon could be totally different people.

[Axle the Beast]

Ganon has been killed many times, just like there's many different Link's. in LoZ, Ganon is killed, because AoL, his minions are trying to revive him, if he didn't die, they wouldn't try to do that.

Anyway, The Twilight Princess Ganon and the Wind Waker Ganon could be totally different people.
I'm nearly dead certain that it has always been the same Ganon...

[Zenox]

I'm nearly dead certain that it has always been the same Ganon...

Unless his minions managed revive Ganon (Which is a huge possibility) there's no way that's the same Ganon. I'm 50-50 on the same-different theory. I think there's a huge possibility of him being different.

[Axle the Beast]

Unless his minions managed revive Ganon (Which is a huge possibility) there's no way that's the same Ganon. I'm 50-50 on the same-different theory. I think there's a huge possibility of him being different.
That's what I've always thought. Either he was revived, never died, or managed to live on as a spirit somehow and come back (and I'm pretty sure that happened at least once, although I couldn't really say where.)

[Zero the Cursed]

i think that the triforce has always brought him back.

[Zemen]

I'm nearly dead certain that it has always been the same Ganon...

they are the same people on different timelines. i dont get why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

they are the same people on different timelines. i dont get why this is such a hard concept to grasp.

I find it to be quite easy to believe that Ganon/dorf is the same person throughout the entire series. I've studied the different theories in this section, and with almost all of them, it's very easy to see how Ganon/dorf is the same. On a side note, how could there be different Ganons and Ganondorfs?

[Zemen]

I find it to be quite easy to believe that Ganon/dorf is the same person throughout the entire series. I've studied the different theories in this section, and with almost all of them, it's very easy to see how Ganon/dorf is the same. On a side note, how could there be different Ganons and Ganondorfs?

there are two timelines. we know this for a fact. that means that there are 2 Ganondorfs, Links, Royal Families, Hyrules etc..

i never said that they werent the same Ganondorf, they are the same Ganondorf existing in two different timelines. they have the same memories of their childhood and the same asperations and thoughts and personality (depending on experiences that the other hasnt had). they just are in two different dimensions/timelines/realities.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

there are two timelines. we know this for a fact. that means that there are 2 Ganondorfs, Links, Royal Families, Hyrules etc..

i never said that they werent the same Ganondorf, they are the same Ganondorf existing in two different timelines. they have the same memories of their childhood and the same asperations and thoughts and personality (depending on experiences that the other hasnt had). they just are in two different dimensions/timelines/realities.

That's kinda what I meant. The Ganon/dorfs in each timeline would essentially be the exact same, and would both have the memories of OoT.

Wow, we actually agree on something. :D

[Axle the Beast]

they are the same people on different timelines. i dont get why this is such a hard concept to grasp.
I was not referring to the timeline split with WW and TP. I was referring to the series as a whole.

[LinkAlmighty]

Err, what exactly are you trying to get at Axle? By the way you said it, it sounded like you were implying that TP takes place in the same timeline between OoT & TWW, which has been previously established in the posts above as highly improbable. So can you clarify what exactly you mean when you say the series as a whole, because with the split timeline you can't really look at it as a whole because OoT divides it in 2.

And I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but I'm a bit confused on where you're trying to place TP.

[Axle the Beast]

Err, what exactly are you trying to get at Axle? By the way you said it, it sounded like you were implying that TP takes place in the same timeline between OoT & TWW, which has been previously established in the posts above as highly improbable. So can you clarify what exactly you mean when you say the series as a whole, because with the split timeline you can't really look at it as a whole because OoT divides it in 2.

And I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but I'm a bit confused on where you're trying to place TP.
Whether or not the timeline splits, I believe it's the same Ganon in every game.

You can't argue with that, really. It's the same Ganon in both TP and WW, the only difference is that the events of the games happen in alternate timelines.

(Either way, I don't believe in the timeline split, but that's not the point of what I was saying.)

[Zemen]

Whether or not the timeline splits, I believe it's the same Ganon in every game.

You can't argue with that, really. It's the same Ganon in both TP and WW, the only difference is that the events of the games happen in alternate timelines.

no one is or has denied that its the same Ganon/dorf. some people believe that at a certain point in the series (FSA) that a new Ganondorf may have been born, but i dont agree with that.


(Either way, I don't believe in the timeline split, but that's not the point of what I was saying.)

the creators have confirmed that the timeline is split many years ago. now we all know they have changed their minds on some things they have stated but this is one of the few things they have never questioned or change their minds on.

[Axle the Beast]

no one is or has denied that its the same Ganon/dorf. some people believe that at a certain point in the series (FSA) that a new Ganondorf may have been born, but i dont agree with that.


the creators have confirmed that the timeline is split many years ago. now we all know they have changed their minds on some things they have stated but this is one of the few things they have never questioned or change their minds on.
I know, I was just stating what I meant to LinkAlmighty. ;)

Really? Wasn't aware of that. I personally think that was a mistake on their part... but, whatever. I guess you're right then. ^^

[LinkAlmighty]

Well I do believe it's the same Ganon/dorf in each game, I believe that there is two versions of him on opposite ends of the timeline. But what I was asking was where you were trying to put TP not if there is one Ganon/dorf or not, and you answered it by saying you don't believe in the split timeline.

I do not really get why people do not believe in an official detail of a timeline, except that Nintendo changes the details so much that it really is all over the place, but I'm not here to discuss the exsitence of the split, I'm just here to debate on TP's placement. It'll be difficult for us to see eye to eye however since we believe in entirely different timelines but I'll try anyway using what's in the games rather than Nintendo's statements.

Now the BS of WW did say no hero appeared which would place WW directly after OoT because it says there was no Link in between. Now people say that with the flood, memory of the hero would be lost so I can not disprove of the exsitence of a game between OoT & WW. Instead the most I can do unfortunately is look at the split in OoT so just bear with me.

At the end of OoT all the sages are awakened & have sealed Ganondorf in the Sacred Realm (think that's it's name) along with his ToP and all ends happy. So if he was sealed away, why would he be on trial for trying to break into the realm (can't remember if this was what he was "charged" with. (OBJECTION!)

Now we turn to the split part where Link never drew the MS and Ganondorf was found out before he could put his plans into action. So most likely he would have been thrown in jail or something & then somehow he escaped & tried to break into the sacred realm to obtain the Triforce. Now if he succeded on getting in, it would have gone the same way as in OoT and split up, only giving him Power because that's what he most believes in. This would explain why they all have their Triforce parts in TP. So it seems he tried to take over again & this time the sages decided to end him but failed due to the ToP. Now if the sages in OoT knew of his Triforce piece, why would they be surprised to see it in TP? This means that they have to be different sages.
Then later Link comes & seemingly kills him & Ganondorf's ToP disappears & the end. Now if WW followed TP how would he have regained the ToP & if he was killed this would destroy the need for the flood. So both end with Ganondorf dead in a ways (TP-still standing, WW-becomes the new pedestal of time) So with the way things currently are, TP has a low chance of proceeding TWW. For this to happen another game would need to be made to fill in the holes.

And we all agree that with the number of holes in the series a good amount of games need to be made to connect them successfuly.

[LinkAlmighty]

Oh, wait, did you just accept that there is a split timeline? If so than my post was pointless than. Either way it's an interesting theory and no theories can be completely disapproved until a game or Nintendo does so.

[sign of table]

Jacensolo retranslated one of the lines that Aonuma said when he said that TP takes place a hundred years after the child ending and TWW takes place 100 years after the Adult ending.

He retranslated it as hundreds

[rocker_3]

no matter what anyone says, i wont beleive in a split timeline until nintendo proves its existance,

and how come there are no octoroks in TP? theyve been in evry zelda game except TP

[Zemen]

no matter what anyone says, i wont beleive in a split timeline until nintendo proves its existance,

How has Nintendo NOT proven its existence? They have told us there is a split, and a split makes PERFECT sense when you look at the end of OoT and analyze the BS' of WW and TP.

OoT ends with Link being sent back to his childhood. Zelda remains in the same time and she doesn't just cease to exist, she lives on her life in that time without Link and Ganondorf is trapped in the SR in that time.

WW makes perfect sense after this because the BS of WW says that the HoT (hero of time) stopped Ganondorf who was then trapped in the SR. The BS of WW then says that the hero disappeared (Link getting sent back to his childhood at the end of OoT). Ganondorf escapes his prison but no hero returns (because Link was sent back to his childhood). Because of this, the Goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganondorf from taking over.

Now, when Link goes back to his childhood, we assume he tells Zelda and the royal family of his adventures so that they stop Ganondorf before he has a chance to wreak havoc and then Link leaves Hyrule to go on his MM adventure.

This fits perfectly with the BS of TP. The BS of TP talks about Ganondorf being put up for execution for crimes against the royal family. This implies that he is being put up for execution because of the adventure Link has and tells the royal family about when he goes back to his childhood in OoT. We see that Ganondorf does not die, but is instead sent to the Twilight Realm. It is HIGHLY unlikely that this is the prison that the BS of WW says Ganondorf escaped, because the BS of WW specifically says that the HoT (hero of time) is the one that put him in the prison that he escaped and in TP, it's the sages that trap him in the Twilight Realm. Also, Ganondorf is killed at the end of TP, so how would he still be alive to take place in WW?

The creators have told us that TP takes place about 100 years after OoT and that WW takes place hundreds of years after OoT. This means that if this was a linear timeline, TP would HAVE to go between OoT and WW, but that makes absolutely no sense when you compare this to the BS' of WW and TP.


and how come there are no octoroks in TP? theyve been in evrry zelda game except TP

Well, in OoT, Octoroks are water-based creatures (aka we only see them in water). There is very little water in TP that would be suitable to put them in. It was probably just a design choice to not have them in the game.

[UsayEldaZay]

Well I do not think it is possible because of the technology advancements in WW compared to oot. In ww there were spotlights and cannons. In oot, there weren't any. The order is oot, ww, tp. Or it could be oot tp then ww. I don't care about timeline theories and never have so I really do not care if I am wrong. But, that's just my oppinion:D

[Axle the Beast]

Well I do not think it is possible because of the technology advancements in WW compared to oot. In ww there were spotlights and cannons. In oot, there weren't any. The order is oot, ww, tp. Or it could be oot tp then ww. I don't care about timeline theories and never have so I really do not care if I am wrong. But, that's just my oppinion:D
It's impossible for WW to take place before TP, as TP has been clearly stated to be 100 years after OoT, whereas it clearly states in WW that it has been hundreds of years.

[Zemen]

Well I do not think it is possible because of the technology advancements in WW compared to oot. In ww there were spotlights and cannons. In oot, there weren't any. The order is oot, ww, tp. Or it could be oot tp then ww. I don't care about timeline theories and never have so I really do not care if I am wrong. But, that's just my oppinion:D

It doesn't matter if you put TP before or after WW, Ganondorf dies in both games with absolutely no hints, evidence or in game quotes/proof of him being resurrected.

[Axle the Beast]

It doesn't matter if you put TP before or after WW, Ganondorf dies in both games with absolutely no hints, evidence or in game quotes/proof of him being resurrected.
Epic point. :xd:

Complete death in either. Not really any chance of him being in a new game in the same timeline...

Although he could always be resurrected later on in the timeline (IE in a new game.)

[LightintheDark]

I just registered to bring up this point.

In OoT, it is said that if a person of an inpure heart (someone who does not possess the traits of Power, Courage, and Wisdom) tries to claim the Triforce, that it will split into 3 different parts (Power, Courage, Wisdom). Obviously this is the case when Ganondorf steals the Triforce from the SR. However, if Link successfully stopped Ganondorf and goes back in time to warn Zelda, Ganondorf will never have touched the Triforce, and in turn, it will never have broken into 3 parts.

What confuses me the most, if TP does indeed follow the child timeline, is how does Ganondorf all of a sudden have part of the broken Triforce, when it hasn't been split into 3 parts and is in fact, whole?

[Axle the Beast]

I just registered to bring up this point.

In OoT, it is said that if a person of an inpure heart (someone who does not possess the traits of Power, Courage, and Wisdom) tries to claim the Triforce, that it will split into 3 different parts (Power, Courage, Wisdom). Obviously this is the case when Ganondorf steals the Triforce from the SR. However, if Link successfully stopped Ganondorf and goes back in time to warn Zelda, Ganondorf will never have touched the Triforce, and in turn, it will never have broken into 3 parts.

What confuses me the most, if TP does indeed follow the child timeline, is how does Ganondorf all of a sudden have part of the broken Triforce, when it hasn't been split into 3 parts and is in fact, whole?
It never states that he was able to stop him from even getting the Triforce, does it?

Because he would still have had to. My theory is that he was stopped after getting the Triforce but before becoming king...

[Zemen]

I just registered to bring up this point.

In OoT, it is said that if a person of an inpure heart (someone who does not possess the traits of Power, Courage, and Wisdom) tries to claim the Triforce, that it will split into 3 different parts (Power, Courage, Wisdom). Obviously this is the case when Ganondorf steals the Triforce from the SR. However, if Link successfully stopped Ganondorf and goes back in time to warn Zelda, Ganondorf will never have touched the Triforce, and in turn, it will never have broken into 3 parts.

What confuses me the most, if TP does indeed follow the child timeline, is how does Ganondorf all of a sudden have part of the broken Triforce, when it hasn't been split into 3 parts and is in fact, whole?

For all we know, the triforce could somehow have been broken apart prior to the events of TP. In TP, Ganondorf did not have any idea that he even had the ToP. When he got stabbed, he seemingly died but then the ToP appeared on his hand and brought him back to life. In the cut scene, when this happens, he starts to laugh, and IMO, he laughs because he realizes that he has a piece of what he has been trying to get all along and he never knew it. Then he proceeds to kill one of the sages. We don't know exactly how the triforce works. What they said about an impure heart touching it is all legend that could be exasperated.

[Axle the Beast]

Oh, and by the way, no one said the Triforce would break if the person had an impure heart. It was if the person had an imbalanced heart.

And imbalance of the three traits (Courage, Power, and Wisdom,) specifically.

[Dane]

I'm nearly dead certain that it has always been the same Ganon...It is, in different form. Ganondorf - The demon who stars in OoT.

Ganon - Stars in TWW

Lion-like form- Stars in TP

[Axle the Beast]

It is, in different form. Ganondorf - The demon who stars in OoT.

Ganon - Stars in TWW

Lion-like form- Stars in TP
Yes... sort of...

In OoT, WW, and TP he is still referred to as Ganondorf. In WW he is also referred to as Ganon, and in OoT and TP his pig form is called Ganon.

[MrMosley]

I'm nearly dead certain that it has always been the same Ganon...

It has. In WW, it does talk about Ganondorf escaping his prison at the very beginning of the game, and that the Hero of Time left after he was sealed, and never returned whenever Ganondorf escaped. This is obviously talking about the Adult Timeline, as in the Child Timeline, Ganondorf was never defeated.

Which brings us to his whereabouts in the Child Timeline. Young Link is shown going to Hyrule Castle to meet Zelda at the very end of OoT. This event takes place on the Child Timeline, and by a lot of theororists' opinions, is the point at which Link informs Zelda of Ganondorf's evil deeds. This later leads to his attempted execution by the Sages, which we get to see the events of later in the game of TP.

The point about the Sages being awakened is also a major point, and probably one of the better ones to support the games being on separate timelines. In OoT, the Sages of each temple are awakened by Link in the Adult Timeline. These Sages take the bodies of one of the inhabitants of each area. Each area/Sage is symbolized by a medallion with a design on it. The Sages in TP are all the same, except for the design of their respective medallion on their chest. Each one carries the same medallion given to Link in the Adult Timeline by the awakened Sage whenever he completes a temple.

Since all the sages are generic in TP but carry these medallion designs, that to me shows that they are still in their original form, but are still the same sages which were awakened in the Adult Timeline.

[Skull_Kid]

Jacensolo retranslated one of the lines that Aonuma said when he said that TP takes place a hundred years after the child ending and TWW takes place 100 years after the Adult ending.

He retranslated it as hundreds

Wich makes much more sense than being only one hundred years.
With more than one hundred years, it is probable that people forgot about old hyrule, and everything that was praised back then, and would give enough time for both the Zoras and Kokiri evolve into the Rito and the deformed Koroks.

Also, on a side-note, for the one that said that maybe there were also multiple Ganons, I think you have neglected the fact that the Triforce of Power gives him immortality=he doesn't die, period.

I also thought that maybe, seeing the Triforce of Power fading from his hand in the of Twilight Princess, maybe a trick to lead people to think that he effectively died, and maybe he is still alive.
That, or it was only his human form that died, and the "demon spirit" managed to leave on

[Zemen]

I would like to make a statement that you guys dont need to keep responding to Axle saying that he thought there were multiple Ganons. I explained it a while ago and since i have explained it there have been like 3 or 4 other posts explaining something that has already been explained if we could move on and start discussing new stuff that would be awesome.

I agree with your last paragraph, Skull Kid.

[Kaynil]

Meh, if they want to keep answering, let 'em be. It doesn't really affect you.

Anyway, impure or imbalanced, while I can see the second is the right one it does not make any difference to the point it was 'supposed' to be left untouched by Ganondorf. I always took of the end that way, that when Zelda brought him back in time by the end of Ocarina of Time, he returned to the point before meeting Zelda, because the way she reacts, just as if it was the first time. So it actually makes me wonder. It is a good point. Unless there's another game between TP and OoT-child line I don't see how it could have split when no one touched it.

Though once again, Zemen theory of Ganondorf laugh makes sense.


In TP, Ganondorf did not have any idea that he even had the ToP. When he got stabbed, he seemingly died but then the ToP appeared on his hand and brought him back to life. In the cut scene, when this happens, he starts to laugh, and IMO, he laughs because he realizes that he has a piece of what he has been trying to get all along and he never knew it.

*ToP = Triforce of Power

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

Since all the sages are generic in TP but carry these medallion designs, that to me shows that they are still in their original form, but are still the same sages which were awakened in the Adult Timeline.

I'm really not much of a theorist when it comes to time line discussion, but does that mean that the sages in TP are Saria, Rauru, Impa etc? And if that's true, does that mean that Ruto was the one killed by Ganondorf in the TP cut scene?

Or are you saying that the real sages actually just "possessed" (for lack of a better word) Saria, Rauru, Impa, etc in OoT, and that those people were never "true" sages?

[rocker_3]

[quote=Zemen125;51818]How has Nintendo NOT proven its existence? They have told us there is a split, and a split makes PERFECT sense when you look at the end of OoT and analyze the BS' of WW and TP.

OoT ends with Link being sent back to his childhood. Zelda remains in the same time and she doesn't just cease to exist, she lives on her life in that time without Link and Ganondorf is trapped in the SR in that time.

WW makes perfect sense after this because the BS of WW says that the HoT (hero of time) stopped Ganondorf who was then trapped in the SR. The BS of WW then says that the hero disappeared (Link getting sent back to his childhood at the end of OoT). Ganondorf escapes his prison but no hero returns (because Link was sent back to his childhood). Because of this, the Goddesses flood Hyrule to stop Ganondorf from taking over.

Now, when Link goes back to his childhood, we assume he tells Zelda and the royal family of his adventures so that they stop Ganondorf before he has a chance to wreak havoc and then Link leaves Hyrule to go on his MM adventure.

This fits perfectly with the BS of TP. The BS of TP talks about Ganondorf being put up for execution for crimes against the royal family.

***who ever said that the crimes were from OoT?

QOUTE
This implies that he is being put up for execution because of the adventure Link has and tells the royal family about when he goes back to his childhood in OoT. We see that Ganondorf does not die, but is instead sent to the Twilight Realm. It is HIGHLY unlikely that this is the prison that the BS of WW says Ganondorf escaped, because the BS of WW specifically says that the HoT (hero of time) is the one that put him in the prison that he escaped and in TP, it's the sages that trap him in the Twilight Realm. Also, Ganondorf is killed at the end of TP, so how would he still be alive to take place in WW?

***iwata said that zelda,link and ganondorf are reincarnated through out the series because they are chosen by the godesses (thats why they have the peices of triforce)

QUOTE
The creators have told us that TP takes place about 100 years after OoT and that WW takes place hundreds of years after OoT. This means that if this was a linear timeline, TP would HAVE to go between OoT and WW, but that makes absolutely no sense when you compare this to the BS' of WW and TP.



***tell me where nintendo HAS CLEARLY STATED that there for sure is two timelines and ill beleive u
and there were references to the hero of time in TP. link gets the green clothes (the spirit says there the old heroes clothes), and when u get the zora armour, it says they were worn by the hero of old
and i think i remeber octoroks in the water temple (in TP) and they resemble more of fish then squids, i just dont remember if they spit rocks at u or not

im sure everyone is finding the timeline diffucult to understand (as i am) and im sure the next console zelda game wil fill in some holes

[Zemen]

tell me where nintendo HAS CLEARLY STATED that there for sure is two timelines and ill beleive u


Prepare to believe. Here is an interview between Miyamoto and Aunouma (the creators of Zelda).


====Q: Where does The Wind Waker fit into the overall Zelda series timeline?

Aonuma: You can think of this game as taking place over a hundred years after Ocarina of Time. You can tell this from the opening story, and there are references to things from Ocarina located throughout the game as well.

Miyamoto: Well, wait, which point does the hundred years start from?

Aonuma: From the end.

Miyamoto: No, I mean, as a child or as a...

Aonuma: Oh, right, let me elaborate on that. Ocarina of Time basically has two endings of sorts; one has Link as a child and the other has him as an adult. This game, The Wind Waker, takes place a hundred years after the adult Link defeats Ganon at the end of Ocarina.

Miyamoto: This is pretty confusing for us, too. (laughs) So be careful.

Followed by a similar (though better worded) comment on the Official Zelda Homepage:

In terms of the storyline, we've decided that this takes place hundreds of years after the events in The Ocarina of Time. We think that as you play through the game, you'll notice that in the beginning the storyline explains some of the events in The Ocarina of Time. You'll also find hints of things from The Ocarina of Time that exist in The Wind Waker.

There's also a more complicated explanation. If you think back to the end of The Ocarina of Time, there were two endings to that game in different time periods. First Link defeated Ganon as an adult, and then he actually went back to being a child. You could say that The Wind Waker takes place hundreds of years after the ending in which Link was an adult.====


Now, back to what i have said in previous posts. Based on this interview and with the fact that MM takes place after OoT with the same KID LINK, there HAS to be a split timeline.

[rocker_3]

dam, i really thought the timeline WAS linear
but kokiri kirl made a really great point at the top

QOUTE:
that when Zelda brought him back in time by the end of Ocarina of Time, he returned to the point before meeting Zelda, because the way she reacts, just as if it was the first time. So it actually makes me wonder. It is a good point. Unless there's another game between TP and OoT-child line I don't see how it could have split when no one touched it.

so really, we wont know for dure until the next console zelda game. or, knowing nintendo, it could be the one after that, or the one after that, or the one after that.....

but instead of argueing over the timeline, how about we just enjoy the friggin games

[Zemen]

This fits perfectly with the BS of TP. The BS of TP talks about Ganondorf being put up for execution for crimes against the royal family.

***who ever said that the crimes were from OoT?

so really, we wont know for sure until the next console zelda game. or, knowing nintendo, it could be the one after that, or the one after that, or the one after that.....

but instead of argueing over the timeline, how about we just enjoy the friggin games



After all of that, you're still not sure? Well, I didn't think I would need to bust this out but here it goes.

Yet, ANOTHER interview with Aunouma, but this time it is on TP's placement relative to WW.


–When does Twilight Princess take place?

Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.

–And the Wind Waker?

Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time. In the last scene of Ocarina of Time, kids Link and Zelda have a little talk, and as a consequence of that talk, their relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction. In the middle of this game [Twilight Princess], there’s a scene showing Ganon’s execution. Link and Zelda left him be and he then did something outrageous, so it was decided that he should be executed. That scene takes place several years after Ocarina of Time. Ganon was sent to another world and now he wants to obtain the power...


That interview proves that Ganondorf in TP was being executed for crimes from OoT AND that TP takes place after the child portion of OoT while the other interview I posted proves that WW takes place after the adult portion of OoT.


If you aren't a believer of the split timeline after this, then you are hopeless.

[rocker_3]

ahh i see, but he did say the exacution takes place many years after OoT, so im just gonna wait for another zelda game

[Zemen]

ahh i see, but he did say the exacution takes place many years after OoT, so im just gonna wait for another zelda game

No, he says that the execution takes place "several years" after OoT. Several years isn't that long. Chances are that the OoT Link was still alive during that execution.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

No, he says that the execution takes place "several years" after OoT. Several years isn't that long. Chances are that the OoT Link was still alive during that execution.

But I wonder why would they wait so long to execute him? You'd think they would kill him right after child Link told Zelda about what he was going to do. Ah well, it would've been cool if OoT Link was at that execution during that cut scene. It would have been a great way to connect games.

[Zemen]

But I wonder why would they wait so long to execute him? You'd think they would kill him right after child Link told Zelda about what he was going to do. Ah well, it would've been cool if OoT Link was at that execution during that cut scene. It would have been a great way to connect games.

Yeah, it is confusing. As the interview says, Zelda and Link let him be to see what would happen but it sounded like they might have warned the king. Maybe it was an innocent until proven guilty thing. Just because Link says he is going to do something doesnt mean he will. They kept an eye on him and when he made his move they captured him because they were prepared. I think that's probably how it went.

It would connect well if they showed OoT Link, but they would NEVER show a past Link in a game unless it was like a drawn picture on a legendary parchment or a stain glass window.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

Yeah, it is confusing. As the interview says, Zelda and Link let him be to see what would happen but it sounded like they might have warned the king. Maybe it was an innocent until proven guilty thing. Just because Link says he is going to do something doesnt mean he will. They kept an eye on him and when he made his move they captured him because they were prepared. I think that's probably how it went.

It would connect well if they showed OoT Link, but they would NEVER show a past Link in a game unless it was like a drawn picture on a legendary parchment or a stain glass window.

Still, it wouldn't have taken years would it? It would probably be first priority to see if what Link said was true, and it still took that long? I'm not saying it didn't happen years after OoT, but it's just weird how it would take so long.

I would've like more references to OoT Link in TP. I think the ruins of the Temple of Time was the perfect opportunity to put SOMETHING in, but I didn't see anything.-.-

[Zemen]

Still, it wouldn't have taken years would it? It would probably be first priority to see if what Link said was true, and it still took that long? I'm not saying it didn't happen years after OoT, but it's just weird how it would take so long.

I would've like more references to OoT Link in TP. I think the ruins of the Temple of Time was the perfect opportunity to put SOMETHING in, but I didn't see anything.-.-

Well, if you think about it, it took 7 years for Ganondorf to take over Hyrule. We don't know how long it took him to take over Hyrule so for all we know, Ganondorf may not have started his conquest until 6 years after Link enters the temple of time. Now, if Link goes back in time and warns the king and he keeps an eye on Ganondorf it's realistic to think that Ganondorf didn't attempt his conquest for nearly 7 years which is why the execution was several years after OoT.

[Skull_Kid]

Well, if you think about it, it took 7 years for Ganondorf to take over Hyrule. We don't know how long it took him to take over Hyrule so for all we know, Ganondorf may not have started his conquest until 6 years after Link enters the temple of time. Now, if Link goes back in time and warns the king and he keeps an eye on Ganondorf it's realistic to think that Ganondorf didn't attempt his conquest for nearly 7 years which is why the execution was several years after OoT.

Yes, I don't think the King would be like:

"Oh, this fairy child who is a friend of my daughter told me that the loyal Ganondorf is planning to take over my kingdom, off with the heads, then!"

No, he probably thought about his decision, sent someone to investigate, until they had proof that Ganaondorf was really a traitor, and was not loyal to Hyrule.

On a side-note: I also like the fact that the Temple of Time in TP didn't have ANY references to OoT's Link

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

On a side-note: I also like the fact that the Temple of Time in TP didn't have ANY references to OoT's Link

Why's that? I rather enjoyed having references to OoT Link throughout WW, and I think if there had been more in TP, it would have absolutely proved once and for all that there IS a split in the time line to those who don't believe it. (See rocker up there) Perhaps just an engraving in the Temple of Time, or a window like they had in WW (I was quite disappointed that he didn't have one in WW). But, when it all comes down, I think Zemen is ultimately right: They're never going to put a Link from another game into a current game.

[Skull_Kid]

They're never going to put a Link from another game into a current game.

At least not before they release an official timeline.
But I don't think that that is gonna happen any time soon.
Anyways, I don't think that anyone needs to be a genius to figure out that the Ghost that teaches you the sword skills is Link from OoT.
I just don't get why is he blind from one eye(If I am not mistaken)

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

At least not before they release an official timeline.
But I don't think that that is gonna happen any time soon.
Anyways, I don't think that anyone needs to be a genius to figure out that the Ghost that teaches you the sword skills is Link from OoT.
I just don't get why is he blind from one eye(If I am not mistaken)

Perhaps, but to tell you the truth, I never even thought that it could be OoT Link until a few months back when I joined this place. Even so, he's not reallly mentioned as "Link" so I think the developers can get away with that. I agree with you, but I think it does take a bit of a "Zelda genius" to come up with the theory that the ghost is a Link from another game.

[Pinecove]

Simple responce: There are no plurals in Japan, hense 100 years is a mistranslation of hundreds of years.

[Zemen]

Simple responce: There are no plurals in Japan, hense 100 years is a mistranslation of hundreds of years.

We've covered this, but thanks for the back up.

We have all generally accepted that WW is hundredS of years after OoT.

[Steve]

There are some key elements that disprove that. For example the Sages from Twilight Princess are not the same as the ones from Ocarina of Time. Infact, the symbology of their appearance would suggest that they are simply "interns" of Sages. The discs under and above them represent holographic projectors that people always imagine, so it is very likely.

The prologue of The Wind Waker also explained that Ganondorf was sealed within the Sacred Realm by the Sages. In TP, the Sages sealed him into the Twilight Realm, and Link eventually killed Ganondorf.

In addition, Twilight Princess would have to take place before the Great Flood, as Hyrule was lost to the bottom of the sea. This would make no sense since the Great Flood occurred shortly after Ganon broke free from the Sacred Realm.

[Zemen]

In addition, Twilight Princess would have to take place before the Great Flood, as Hyrule was lost to the bottom of the sea. This would make no sense since the Great Flood occurred shortly after Ganon broke free from the Sacred Realm.

And the fact that there was no hero spoken of who stood up to Ganondorf when he escaped and TP clearly has a hero who defeats Ganondorf.

[Steve]

And the fact that there was no hero spoken of who stood up to Ganondorf when he escaped and TP clearly has a hero who defeats Ganondorf.

Oh yes, I forgot about that too, that's definitely an important one. The defeat of Ganondorf was the whole purpose of the Flood, had Link killed him, the goddesses wouldn't have had any reason to flood Hyrule.

[rocker_3]

[quote=Ver-go-a-go-go;52562]Why's that? I rather enjoyed having references to OoT Link throughout WW, and I think if there had been more in TP, it would have absolutely proved once and for all that there IS a split in the time line to those who don't believe it. (See rocker up there)

LMAO

no but steven up there just proved for sure (to me) that there is a split timeline. but that was the stupidest idea to make a split timeline.

but if ganondorf dies in WW and TP, does that means hes not gonna be the villain in any other games?

[MrMosley]

LMAO

no but steven up there just proved for sure (to me) that there is a split timeline. but that was the stupidest idea to make a split timeline.

but if ganondorf dies in WW and TP, does that means hes not gonna be the villain in any other games?

No. In fact, TP and WW take place early on their respective timelines. OoT is where the timeline splits, and according to many there is only one or two games in the series that come before OoT chronologically. Those would be MC and FS, but their stories don't matter towards the rest of the series much, so we'll leave them out for this.

Ganondorf as a human is how he started, basically. All of the games with him as a pig are games which come later on in the timeline, a while after TP and WW (well actually TP now, since WW is basically the last we have seen of Ganondorf on the Adult Timeline). So its not likely that Ganondorf (human) will be apart of the next Zelda game, and sure not a part of the one after the next even if they somehow fit him in a game, possibly between TP and ALttP... but Ganon will (pig/beast form). If they continue to use Ganondorf, it will destroy any possibility of a timeline in my opinion.

[Steve]

If they continue to use Ganondorf, it will destroy any possibility of a timeline in my opinion.

The only way it wouldn't is if Ganondorf lived after Wind Waker, so the Master Sword would have to be removed from his head.

[MrMosley]

The only way it wouldn't is if Ganondorf lived after Wind Waker, so the Master Sword would have to be removed from his head.

The problem with that is Ganondorf has used the Triforce of Power all of these years to stay alive. Even though there were different generations of Link and Zelda, they were always whoopin' up on the say Ganondorf, all because he had possession of the Triforce piece. In Wind Waker, he loses his piece of the Triforce before the battle with Link, therefore it is unlikely that he was able to survive the Master Sword being stabbed into his head.

The same can kinda be said for TP. At the end, it shows the Triforce's glow fade out after Ganondorf's defeat. To me, this symbolized that he had lost his piece at that point, and proceeded to his death with the Zant scene moments after. However, ALttP's backstory talks about Ganondorf as a human, entering the Sacred Realm and claiming the Triforce. He wished to rule the SR, which transformed it into the Dark World, along with all its inhabitants, as well as Ganondorf himself; transforming him into Ganon.

Therefore, the only conclusion I can draw from this is that he could have survived at the end of TP, but not WW. And if he did survive the end of TP, he has only one game left as Ganondorf. That game would tell the story of how he got into the Sacred Realm and was able to get to the Triforce for second time. It would basically be a game taking place during the backstory of ALttP.

[Abyss Master]

Therefore, the only conclusion I can draw from this is that he could have survived at the end of TP, but not WW. And if he did survive the end of TP, he has only one game left as Ganondorf. That game would tell the story of how he got into the Sacred Realm and was able to get to the Triforce for second time. It would basically be a game taking place during the backstory of ALttP.

One word: resurrection.

It's quite possible that Ganon(dorf) would be brought back by another individual, with or without the Triforce of Power - I sincerely doubt that the ToP would be entirely necessary for him to live again.

Next, while Ganondorf is arguably dead in WW (he turns to stone afterall, so we can't tell, but we can most probably assume since he has a sword sticking out of his forehead), I don't think there is any doubt that this is the case in TP. He is seen dying, and I can almost certainly assume that he stays that way should he be left alone. The thing is, however, it's entirely possible for him to come back. They attempt to kill Link in order to perform a resurrection for Ganon in AoL, afterall.

[Steve]

That game may very well be Spirit Tracks. Everyone assumes that, because all of the Celda games appear on the adult timeline (with the exception of MC in some cases), but this could be Nintendo trying to throw us off. I almost thinking that they made ST as a parallel game to Phantom Hourglass.

[MrMosley]

One word: resurrection.

It's quite possible that Ganon(dorf) would be brought back by another individual, with or without the Triforce of Power - I sincerely doubt that the ToP would be entirely necessary for him to live again.

Next, while Ganondorf is arguably dead in WW (he turns to stone afterall, so we can't tell, but we can most probably assume since he has a sword sticking out of his forehead), I don't think there is any doubt that this is the case in TP. He is seen dying, and I can almost certainly assume that he stays that way should he be left alone. The thing is, however, it's entirely possible for him to come back. They attempt to kill Link in order to perform a resurrection for Ganon in AoL, afterall.

Yeah thats basically my theory. What I was referring to was that Ganondorf as a human is likely to not return or be a part of many future games because of how the games are set up. Here's how I figure this...

We'll take a look at the Child Timeline. Starting with OoT, Link is sent back and presumably tells the king of Hyrule about Ganondorf's evil plans. Sometime later, he is sent to trial. We see this trial in TP, so one would assume that TP comes after OoT with nothing in between them to alter this process on the timeline.

Then, we look at the game that most people put directly after TP on the Child Timeline: A Link to the Past. The backstory of ALttP talks about Ganondorf, as a human, gaining access to the Sacred Realm and touching the Triforce. Upon doing this, he wished to rule the Sacred Realm. That is when the SR, along with all its inhabitants, and Ganondorf as well, were all transformed. The SR became the Dark World, which became overrun by evil creatures, and Ganondorf became his beast form Ganon permanently.

Now if you take all of this into consideration, you realize that the BS of ALttP speaks not of the events of OoT, but events which have to take place sometime later. Not only are the events of OoT completely separate from those talked about in ALttP, but Ganondorf didn't even gain access to the Sacred Realm on the Child Timeline. In that game, Ganondorf was able to access the Triforce and escape the Sacred Realm without being sealed. In fact, Ganondorf was sealed in the Evil Realm at the end of that game, but on the Adult Timeline, which would not have ever happend on the Child Timeline and thus never have happend in the history of events before ALttP. The BS of ALttP tells of him making his wish, being sealed, and then being transformed. Therefore this must be a different event. That would mean that the BS of ALttP is the only story that has not been made into a game, and the only place that it would fit would be between TP and ALttP.

This is where my theory comes in that Ganondorf probably did not die at the end of TP. Somehow, he may come back, but if he does I feel that the only tale to be told of the man known as Ganondorf would be the one explained in the BS of ALttP. All games after that included beast form Ganon. Now if they add a game onto the Adult Timeline, then you have to look at the fact that Ganondorf did not have the Triforce of Power upon dying. At this point, he did have magic, but not the power to keep himself alive from a sword stabbed through his skull. Therefore, if they were to revive Ganondorf in the Adult Timeline, I would think that he would be revived into another form. That form would be his beast/pig form, even though there are no more games after WW on the Adult Timeline (for the exception of PH and apparently ST).

[Zemen]

That game may very well be Spirit Tracks. Everyone assumes that, because all of the Celda games appear on the adult timeline (with the exception of MC in some cases), but this could be Nintendo trying to throw us off. I almost thinking that they made ST as a parallel game to Phantom Hourglass.

So you think that ST is going to be on the child timeline and that it's parallel to PH? If that's what you're saying then that is a VERY interesting idea and I wouldn't mind it at all. What if it's like the same Link but in the CT and it's what his life would be like if he wasn't living in the great sea world.

[Steve]

So you think that ST is going to be on the child timeline and that it's parallel to PH? If that's what you're saying then that is a VERY interesting idea and I wouldn't mind it at all. What if it's like the same Link but in the CT and it's what his life would be like if he wasn't living in the great sea world.

That is exactly what I think, and then the timeline will be one step closer to having at least one timeline that works. Right now, none of them can be completely correct.

[Skull_Kid]

That is exactly what I think, and then the timeline will be one step closer to having at least one timeline that works. Right now, none of them can be completely correct.

I think that Spirit Tracks would fit better if it was on the Adult Timeline, some hundreds of years after PH and WW.
There are lots of similarites: Zelda's design, the image of the Hyrule castle in the trailer looks almost like the one that is underwater in WW.
So, maybe Hyrule really unflooded, this leaves a greater question: what about ganondorf?
He still possesses the Triforce of Power in this portion of the timeline, If i am not wrong

[MrMosley]

So, maybe Hyrule really unflooded, this leaves a greater question: what about ganondorf?
He still possesses the Triforce of Power in this portion of the timeline, If i am not wrong

Actually he does not have the Triforce of Power. At the end of WW, he combined all of them in order to make his wish. Once the King of Hyrule beat him to laying his hand on the Triforce, the king wished upon the Triforce. Afterwards, you see the Triforce float into the air and disappear. At the end of the battle, the king says "I have scattered the seeds of the future." Which to me means that he separated the Triforce and hid it again.

[Zemen]

I think that Spirit Tracks would fit better if it was on the Adult Timeline, some hundreds of years after PH and WW.
There are lots of similarites: Zelda's design, the image of the Hyrule castle in the trailer looks almost like the one that is underwater in WW.
So, maybe Hyrule really unflooded, this leaves a greater question: what about ganondorf?
He still possesses the Triforce of Power in this portion of the timeline, If i am not wrong

It's a dangerous thing to base your entire theory on graphical design of a game. Yes, ST has the same graphics as WW/PH but that does not mean it HAS to be connected to those games. FSA uses mostly toon graphics (artwork is obviously toon link) and that game is supposed to be directly connected to ALTTP which is not toon graphics.

I quite like the idea of it being the same Link, just on the child timeline. Sort of a "what if" game except it would be canon. The way i see it, both timelines are just "what if" scenarios for the other timeline. (i.e. the CT is a "what if" for the AT and vice versa).


Actually he does not have the Triforce of Power. At the end of WW, he combined all of them in order to make his wish. Once the King of Hyrule beat him to laying his hand on the Triforce, the king wished upon the Triforce. Afterwards, you see the Triforce float into the air and disappear. At the end of the battle, the king says "I have scattered the seeds of the future." Which to me means that he separated the Triforce and hid it again.

I always thought it meant that Link and Tetra were the seeds of the future. They are now the only two capable of living on the traditions of Hyrule and making those traditions "grow" into a new Hyrule.

[sign of table]

^I highly doubt that when Daphnes said, "I have scattered the seeds of the future," that he meant he wanted Tetra and Link to make a new Hyrule when Daphnes had just said that the new land wouldn't be Hyrule. And Hyrule being IDENTICAL on the AT as it is in the CT is just impossible.

I assume that when he said that he wanted them to find a new land and live for the future. Not being stuck in the past. If Tetra and Link find a new Hyrule it goes directly against Daphnes' wishes; it goes against his wishes even more-so if the new Hyrule is identical to the old one.

[MrMosley]

^I highly doubt that when Daphnes said, "I have scattered the seeds of the future," that he meant he wanted Tetra and Link to make a new Hyrule when Daphnes had just said that the new land wouldn't be Hyrule. And Hyrule being IDENTICAL on the AT as it is in the CT is just impossible.

I assume that when he said that he wanted them to find a new land and live for the future. Not being stuck in the past. If Tetra and Link find a new Hyrule it goes directly against Daphnes' wishes; it goes against his wishes even more-so if the new Hyrule is identical to the old one.

There is one big problem I see with this. I understand that Daphnes wished to have Hyrule be washed away, and for Link and Tetra to have a future, etc. But I read somewhere one time that a person's wish granted by the Triforce holds true until that person dies. Just trust me on that one, because to hunt down an exact quote would take forever.

Daphnes died very shortly after he made his wish. Therefore, according to that little known fact about the Triforce, his wish would be obsolete after his death.

[Zemen]

There is one big problem I see with this. I understand that Daphnes wished to have Hyrule be washed away, and for Link and Tetra to have a future, etc. But I read somewhere one time that a person's wish granted by the Triforce holds true until that person dies. Just trust me on that one, because to hunt down an exact quote would take forever.

Daphnes died very shortly after he made his wish. Therefore, according to that little known fact about the Triforce, his wish would be obsolete after his death.

I actually think I remember seeing that somewhere, as well. Also, if they created a new land that is not Hyrule, what are they supposed to base it on? They would base it on the traditions they already have, yes? Well, on outset island, their traditions are based on a hero FROM Hyrule, so it's possible that in creating a new land, they created one just like Hyrule.

[Smertios]

It was a quote from LttP, i think. I'm not sure if it said that the wish that had been granted would be "ungranted" or that the wish of the new holder of the ToX would overcome the old wish though...

[Master Kokiri 9]

I have heard that Nintendo officially stated (I myself have no proof of it and am not certain that they really did) that The Wind Waker takes place one hundred years after Ocarina of Time. Since Twilight Princess also takes place one hundred years after OoT, that makes them both alternate timelines.

However, I've never thought it possible for WW to take place only one hundred years after OoT. It's just not long enough for everyone to, key words here, forget about Hyrule.

But strengthening my stance on this, I was playing WW the other day and the King of Red Lions clearly states that HUNDREDS of years have passed since the flood. Plural.

This implies to me that TP could actually take place between OoT and WW, rather than replacing WW in the timeline.

It's simple when you think about it. Because of the timetravel mayhem in oot there are two endings. One in which link as a child points out ganons plans to zelda who tells her father the hyrule king about they prove it and viola ganondorf is sentenced to death but can't be killed so he was banished to the twilight realm 100 years pass between then and tp happens. But because there wasn't a hero of time to stop ganny how could there be a legendary hero? Also simple. Instead of minish cap first on the timeline it is between tp and oot. This is known as the 'child timeline'. Then there is the ending in which the hero of time thwarts ganny and seals him away with the power of the seven sages. This is known as the adult timeline. Anyways after about 500 years or so after ganny escaped somehow windwaker happens. Hope this clears things up. Also darklink01 even if a person dies after wishing upon the triforce the wish holds true until someone else wishes otherwise. This was proven in alttp at the end.

[Hayzer]

I'm nearly dead certain that it has always been the same Ganon...

He became two people when the Timeline split.

The OFFICIAL Timeline stated by Nintendo thus far is:

----/--WW/PH
OoT
----\MM--TP

If it doesn't start like that, it's wrong. End of story.

Here's the interview:



Q: When does Twilight Princess take place?
Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.
–And the Wind Waker?
Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time. In the last scene of Ocarina of Time, kids Link and Zelda have a little talk, and as a consequence of that talk, their relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction. In the middle of this game [Twilight Princess], there’s a scene showing Ganon’s execution. Link and Zelda left him be and he then did something outrageous, so it was decided that he should be executed. That scene takes place several years after Ocarina of Time. Ganon was sent to another world and now he wants to obtain the power...

[Master Kokiri 9]

I have heard that Nintendo officially stated (I myself have no proof of it and am not certain that they really did) that The Wind Waker takes place one hundred years after Ocarina of Time. Since Twilight Princess also takes place one hundred years after OoT, that makes them both alternate timelines.

However, I've never thought it possible for WW to take place only one hundred years after OoT. It's just not long enough for everyone to, key words here, forget about Hyrule.

But strengthening my stance on this, I was playing WW the other day and the King of Red Lions clearly states that HUNDREDS of years have passed since the flood. Plural.

This implies to me that TP could actually take place between OoT and WW, rather than replacing WW in the timeline.

They are on alternate timelines. Most people new to the timeline biz don't realize that the timetravel mayhem in oot caused 2 endings one known as the child timeline with more games and the adult time line in which ww and it's sequels occur. But yeah it would be impossible for there to be only 100 years between oot and ww. It's probably 500 years minimum.

[knowlee]

But I read somewhere one time that a person's wish granted by the Triforce holds true until that person dies. Just trust me on that one, because to hunt down an exact quote would take forever.


It was a quote from LttP, i think.

I believe I may have found the quote that you guys are talking about.

Original Quote by the Triforce in ALttP:

Ganon's wish was to conquer the world. That wish changed the Golden Land to the Dark World. Ganon was building up his power here so he could conquer the Light World and make his wish come completely true. But now, you have totally destroyed Ganon. His Dark World will vanish.

What's in bold is the quote I think you guys have been looking for. :)

Anyway going back to the topic of this thread, I can understand why you think that Axle. 100 years isn't a long time for people to forget about something like Hyrule, but at the same time a lot of things can happen in 100 years.

For instance, of course the people who escaped the flooding of Hyrule are going to know it exists, because they were there at one point in their lives. But as the next few generations of people come into being after Hyrule's flooding, they don't know that Hyrule was once a real place. Sure they have heard stories of it from their elders, but at the same time they have never seen Hyrule themselves. That would lead to it only being thought of being a story and nothing else. Another thing that would add to them not knowing about Hyrule would be that that most of the generation that fled Hyrule as it was being buried beneath the waves had died off. Sure there probably are few of them left, but probably not enough to keep Hyrule's memory alive.

Another thing about what the King of Red Lions said that I think someone on here already mentioned, is that it could be a mistranslation. It happens a lot when things are translated from another language. We just won't know for sure.

[Zarom]

I don't think WW takes place 100 of year after OOT and neither TP takes place 100 years after OOT. But I do agree that they are on separate timelines.

Because in TP, Renado says something like: ''They are LEGENDS tell of an ancient hero in Hyrule, and your deeds brings them all to mind.''
If it's a ''legend'', than OOT cannot have happened 100 years before. Plus, when Impaz speaks to you, she says she is the descendant of Impa. And Impaz is like... over than 80 years old? So, she coudn't talk of Impa like she was her descendant. And on top of that, around the Master Sword :mastersword:, you see that the place got surrounded by a gigantic forest and trees destroying the whole place. That couldn't have happened in just a 100 years.

And for WW, when you look at the evolution of the Ritos :zora: and the Koroks :), you see that the evolution just couldn't have happened in 100 years. The Zoras :zora: and Kokiris :) would never had time to evolve into Ritos or Koroks. And again, the legend couldn't be a legend if it just happened 100 years ago...

[knowlee]

I don't think WW takes place 100 of year after OOT and neither TP takes place 100 years after OOT. But I do agree that they are on separate timelines.

Because in TP, Renado says something like: ''They are LEGENDS tell of an ancient hero in Hyrule, and your deeds brings them all to mind.''
If it's a ''legend'', than OOT cannot have happened 100 years before. Plus, when Impaz speaks to you, she says she is the descendant of Impa. And Impaz is like... over than 80 years old? So, she coudn't talk of Impa like she was her descendant. And on top of that, around the Master Sword :mastersword:, you see that the place got surrounded by a gigantic forest and trees destroying the whole place. That couldn't have happened in just a 100 years.

And for WW, when you look at the evolution of the Ritos :zora: and the Koroks :), you see that the evolution just couldn't have happened in 100 years. The Zoras :zora: and Kokiris :) would never had time to evolve into Ritos or Koroks. And again, the legend couldn't be a legend if it just happened 100 years ago...


That's understandable Zarom, but like I mentioned before in my last post, a lot of things can happen in 100 years. Although it doesn't look like it, many things can happen during that short period of time.

For TP (getting slightly off the topic of the thread) the same thing applies. What Renado says is possibly true if you consider the fact that after OoT occurred, Link could have done other heroic things other than preventing Ganondorf from taking over Hyrule. (I'm saying that because TP takes place on the CT.) There could have also been another "Link" to appear during that time period. Hence the possible reason why Renado said "Legends" instead of it's singular form.

As for the topic of Impaz, if you think about it, being a descendant doesn't necessarily mean that you have to be generations apart. You can be two or even one generation apart to qualify as a desecendant of someone. (ie: You are a descendant of your parents and/or grandparents.)

As for the Temple of Time, yes it's possible that the way that it looks the way it does in TP could have occured during those 100 years between those two games. For one thing, you can see that the placement of the ToT in TP is nowhere near where it was in OoT. Something could have happened to the ToT that caused it to look that way and it could have been the reason why Hyrule Castle's location was moved from where it was previously. (This is all speculation though; I'm not stating that it's a fact.) Also trees can grow really tall during 100 years. Some trees can take up to 30 years or more to mature and there's a lot of years during that time period that can allow that to take place.

As for WW, the Zora and Kokiri could have evolved over that period of time. Evolution is simply a species changing over a period of time to adapt to an environment. It can happen in a few years to even longer than that, depending on the change. Simply put, it is possible that the Zora and Kokiri could have evolved into the Rito and the Koroks during that 100-year time span.

And lastly yes, something could be considered a legend if it only happened 100 years ago. Like I said in my last post, it all depends on the generation that saw it happen. As time goes by and that generation ceases to exist, that story can be seen as just a legend by the generations that came after that one. Thus it could be possible for something that happened 100 years ago to become known as a legend.

[Hayzer]

I don't think WW takes place 100 of year after OOT and neither TP takes place 100 years after OOT. But I do agree that they are on separate timelines.

Because in TP, Renado says something like: ''They are LEGENDS tell of an ancient hero in Hyrule, and your deeds brings them all to mind.''
If it's a ''legend'', than OOT cannot have happened 100 years before. Plus, when Impaz speaks to you, she says she is the descendant of Impa. And Impaz is like... over than 80 years old? So, she coudn't talk of Impa like she was her descendant. And on top of that, around the Master Sword :mastersword:, you see that the place got surrounded by a gigantic forest and trees destroying the whole place. That couldn't have happened in just a 100 years.

And for WW, when you look at the evolution of the Ritos :zora: and the Koroks :), you see that the evolution just couldn't have happened in 100 years. The Zoras :zora: and Kokiris :) would never had time to evolve into Ritos or Koroks. And again, the legend couldn't be a legend if it just happened 100 years ago...

Wow...you guys don't read my posts do you? It seems like no one does...

Ahem...

Here's the interview:


Q: When does Twilight Princess take place?
Aonuma: In the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years later.
–And the Wind Waker?
Aonuma: The Wind Waker is parallel. In Ocarina of Time, Link flew seven years in time, he beat Ganon and went back to being a kid, remember? Twilight Princess takes place in the world of Ocarina of Time, a hundred and something years after the peace returned to kid Link’s time. In the last scene of Ocarina of Time, kids Link and Zelda have a little talk, and as a consequence of that talk, their relationship with Ganon takes a whole new direction. In the middle of this game [Twilight Princess], there’s a scene showing Ganon’s execution. Link and Zelda left him be and he then did something outrageous, so it was decided that he should be executed. That scene takes place several years after Ocarina of Time. Ganon was sent to another world and now he wants to obtain the power...

[sign of table]

Wow...you guys don't read my posts do you? It seems like no one does...

Ahem...

Here's the interview: Wow...I guess you didn't read my post did you?

Jacensolo retranslated it and said it was several hundreds of years. Frankly, I trust Jacensolo, especially since it makes more sense going along with the games.

[Hayzer]

Wow...I guess you didn't read my post did you?

Jacensolo retranslated it and said it was several hundreds of years. Frankly, I trust Jacensolo, especially since it makes more sense going along with the games.

I understand that, and have known that for quite sometime.

I just posted the original quote, so sue me.