OoT Hidden Gossip Stone

[MrMosley]

Here's a video of the hidden gossip stone in OoT. Without watching this video or just simply messing around, it would be virtually impossible to find out about. I myself didn't even know of its existance until a couple of days ago when I came across the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUvi4I0ee6Q

This brings a lot of questions into play for me. Questions like, was the stone originally obtainable? Did Nintendo intend on actually making it hard to get to? If so, why?

Judging by what the Gossip Stone actually tells you, my take on it is that it is one of the earlier things included within the game that Nintendo decided to get rid of, and done so by just hiding the Gossip Stone where its at. Nintendo could have possibly planned on including a Kokiri leaving the forest, either for Link to go and find or to help him in some way. One thing about it is that it acts as if leaving the Kokiri Forest would actually cause a Kokiri to die, which was talked about in another forum just recently, but apparently disproven by the fact that there are Kokiri, such as Mido, present at the end of the game in Lon Lon Ranch.

Im curious to see anyone else's opinion as well, and if they had found this stone yet.

[Vincent]

I used to explore everywhere when I first got this game, and I did stumble across this stone. Never bothered to read the message though. That's pretty interesting. I'm guessing they did that as sort of an easter egg.

[blackice_cc]

Well, seeing as you could only talk to this Gossip Stone after having left the Kokiri Forest, my guess would be it's simply referring to Link. I mean, everyone thought he was a Kokiri, and the Gossip Stone could have 'overheard' other Kokiri talking about Link leaving. Nintendo probably either forgot about it (which would be pretty darn funny, in my opinion), or they simply decided they had no need of it but left it as an Easter Egg.

[MOS3]

Well, I posted a thread about that (how the Kokiri can be at Lon Lon ranch if they can't leave the forest). Someone said (I think) that in the game, they never tell us that the Kokiri die if they leave, that maybe the were talking about Ganondorf possibly attacking them or something, but I think this proves that they are not supposed to leave because they would die. The Kokiri taht left and is still alive must be Link (although we know that he's actually a Hylian):)

[MrMosley]

Well, I posted a thread about that (how the Kokiri can be at Lon Lon ranch if they can't leave the forest). Someone said (I think) that in the game, they never tell us that the Kokiri die if they leave, that maybe the were talking about Ganondorf possibly attacking them or something, but I think this proves that they are not supposed to leave because they would die. The Kokiri taht left and is still alive must be Link (although we know that he's actually a Hylian):)

Yeah, it might prove it if it were more accessible. Most of the gossip stones in the game are clearly lain out an accessible. This one, on the other hand, is pretty secluded. Thats what I think that the idea that the Kokiri would actually die upon leavin the forest with no other reason or interfearance, was scrapped.

The end scene clearly shows that the Kokiri can leave the forest, and that the Zoras do not have to have constant water to survive. The first thing I thought when I saw the video was that maybe they had included a Kokiri child as part of another storyline or quest in the game. I don't remember any Kokiri being anywhere else besides the forest, excluding the ending scene, so I would think that idea was changed.

[Linkmaster]

...ugh...have none of you realized?...no one? :facepalm: By if they leave the forest, they die, it means if they leave the forest, they will get older, and eventually die! How long was link in the forest? who knows? He probably stayed the same age because of the forest. and the kokiri where all the same age, except for Saria, because they stayed in the forest. Saria got older because she would go to the lost woods, which did not count as part of the forest. Look, sorry that was really off topic, but I just thought you all should know.

[Axle the Beast]

I found that stone ages ago (although I didn't have the Mask of Truth at the time,) and I didn't find it all that hard to find...

I think it's just referring to Link himself. Like someone said earlier, you can't hear what it says until after you've left the Kokiri Forest, and it was evident in the future that the Kokiri, or at least Mido, were definitely talking about him after he left.


...ugh...have none of you realized?...no one? By if they leave the forest, they die, it means if they leave the forest, they will get older, and eventually die! How long was link in the forest? who knows? He probably stayed the same age because of the forest. and the kokiri where all the same age, except for Saria, because they stayed in the forest. Saria got older because she would go to the lost woods, which did not count as part of the forest. Look, sorry that was really off topic, but I just thought you all should know.
There is no proof supporting that, though it is an interesting thought. Link was only in the forest for a few years, though. He was a Hylian, not a Kokiri.

Saria never got older. She stayed the same age like the rest of the Kokiri. The Lost Woods is part of the Kokiri Forest.

[Linkmaster]

I found that stone ages ago (although I didn't have the Mask of Truth at the time,) and I didn't find it all that hard to find...

I think it's just referring to Link himself. Like someone said earlier, you can't hear what it says until after you've left the Kokiri Forest, and it was evident in the future that the Kokiri, or at least Mido, were definitely talking about him after he left.


There is no proof supporting that, though it is an interesting thought. Link was only in the forest for a few years, though. He was a Hylian, not a Kokiri.

Saria never got older. She stayed the same age like the rest of the Kokiri. The Lost Woods is part of the Kokiri Forest.

...but...unless I am suddenly insane, and if memory serves me correctly (and it usually does), Saria is about your age when she becomes sage, and is not the age of the rest of the kokiris...O.o...and I know Link is not a kokiri. I just thought it might have to do something with the forest itself. Plus, what I meant about the lost woods was that it does not work like the rest of the forest. so it probably would not count.

[Axle the Beast]

...but...unless I am suddenly insane, and if memory serves me correctly (and it usually does), Saria is about your age when she becomes sage, and is not the age of the rest of the kokiris...O.o...and I know Link is not a kokiri. I just thought it might have to do something with the forest itself. Plus, what I meant about the lost woods was that it does not work like the rest of the forest. so it probably would not count.
Saria is definitely not Link's age. She's still a little girl, the same as she was when Link left the forest.

Well, I suppose you could be right there... after all, in the trading sequence, it suggests that people who get lost in the Lost Woods turn into Stalfos... One thing though, is that if I'm not mistaken, the Lost Woods actually surround the Kokiri Forest...

[Trentino]

I found this one already, but I'm not sure why nintendo put it in. It might talk about link or mabey its supposed to base of the end of the game. Or mabey its the guy who blocks the way to the deku tree because he disapears when you talk to him

[bellum]

...ugh...have none of you realized?...no one? :facepalm: By if they leave the forest, they die, it means if they leave the forest, they will get older, and eventually die! How long was link in the forest? who knows? He probably stayed the same age because of the forest. and the kokiri where all the same age, except for Saria, because they stayed in the forest. Saria got older because she would go to the lost woods, which did not count as part of the forest. Look, sorry that was really off topic, but I just thought you all should know.have you realized that saria (http://zeldawiki.org/Saria) is not just a kokiri, thus she is also a sage.ALso why would she disobey the deku tree and leave the forest.well you could find mido in the lost woods too, and I know he wouldn't disobey the deku tree either linkmaster so what I"m trying to say is the lost woods is
part of the kokiri forest, mostly beacause of the fact that the kokiri (http://zeldawiki.org/Kokiri) Anyways I never found that hidden gossip stone.

[Linkmaster]

have you realized that saria (http://zeldawiki.org/Saria) is not just a kokiri, thus she is also a sage.ALso why would she disobey the deku tree and leave the forest.well you could find mido in the lost woods too, and I know he wouldn't disobey the deku tree either linkmaster so what I"m trying to say is the lost woods is
part of the kokiri forest, mostly beacause of the fact that the kokiri (http://zeldawiki.org/Kokiri) Anyways I never found that hidden gossip stone.

...Axle already grilled me for this one Bellum, no need to reiterate. So I am not going to argue with you over this, because I already did with Axle. Once = enough. :D
P.S. I know who Saria is and what the Kokiri are.

[Axle the Beast]

I found this one already, but I'm not sure why nintendo put it in. It might talk about link or mabey its supposed to base of the end of the game. Or mabey its the guy who blocks the way to the deku tree because he disapears when you talk to him
The guy who blocks the way to the Deku Tree is Mido, and although he disappears so you can't talk to him, he is referenced to still being in the Kokiri Forest. He also appears in the Lost Woods in the future.

[Mike Pothier]

My take was always that the Kokiri were truly ageless and wouldn't die if they left the Forest. The Great Deku Tree only told them a little white lie to protect them. They are his children, and he wants to protect them.

[MrMosley]

All the talk about them leaving and growing up could be possible. It makes me think of Peter Pan. A lot of things in Zelda make reference to the story of Peter Pan, and can be argued that the creators had this story in mind when making a lot of the things throughout the games.

A few noticable things are:

Link's green tunic and hat looks very similar to the costume which Peter Pan wears.

Link has Navi the fairy in OoT. Peter has Tinkerbell in his stories. Plus, fairies have also always been apart of Zelda, as they have in Peter Pan.

Peter Pan is often shown chasing and having trouble out of his shadow. Link also has trouble out of Dark Link (originally called Shadow Link) in various Zelda titles.

Among all these things, I think it would make sense that if the creators did have Peter Pan in mind, the Kokiri living in the Kokiri Forest would be based on Lost Boys living in Neverland. Both the Kokiri and the Lost Boys do not age while in these places. But we have seen (for those who know the story of Peter Pan or have seen the movie Hook) that if a Lost Boy leaves Neverland, he will grow up.

Lost Boys can also die while in Neverland, as I'm sure if something were to come to the Kokiri Forest and kill a Kokiri child, they would die as well. Its more likely that the Deku Tree told them not to leave so that they would stay young, as if they did leave they would grow old and eventually die from old age, even if nothing were to attack them in the outside world.

[bellum]

hmm I would've never thought of that, Darklink, so are you trying to say Link is really Peter Pan:O.But y'know the ending I get because they did leave the forest just for the credits and they didn't die, so maybe the deku tree did say that they'd die but meaning die of old age :hmm:.Hmm, yeah now that I think about it it does seem like they did have Peter Pan in mind while thinking up the kokiri's.

[MrMosley]

Not that he is Peter Pan, but strongly based off of him. Apparently, many of the stories in Zelda are also based off of Peter Pan's stories. Just like in the movie "Hook", Peter talks about how when he was a child, he still missed his mother and father, so he would fly home to see them every so often. At least until one night he flew there and seen they had another baby. Eventually he flew back, met a girl, and decided to stay, but those times when he was randomly flying back to see his mom didn't cause him to rapidly age and die, or die from anything else. But it would be obvious that while gone he did age somewhat, probably just at a normal pace as he would have in real time.

[Kybyrian]

I found this right away in the game because I tended to mess around a lot in the game, especially around the Deku Tree area.

Why they put it there where it's unseen and usually unreached I don't know, and pretty interesting what it says. Perhaps it's talking about Link, because after all, you can't talk to it like that until you get the Mask of Truth, which is obtained outside of the Kokiri Forest, so it's possible.

[Alter]

Actually, I did find it when I first played it, but I never bothered to read it, and had since completely forgotten about it. My friends tell me I should be a video game tester. lol I'm the guy who usually has 6 hearts before the first dungeon. ;) I try anything and everything when it comes to Zelda.

Anyway, as to what it means? Perhaps it means nothing. Does anyone know what it says before Link leaves the forest? The guy was obviously wearing a mask, so he'd already left the forest. I know that Link's not a Kokiri, but could it be referring to him? Or do you think it was just an Easter Egg or part of a removed plot?

[Amelie]

I remember finding the first stone but I dont remember if I found the second one. I might have but I cant be sure. My N64 is not working right now but if it was I would go talk to those stones ^^

It does seem like it could be a easter egg but they do give some fun information ^^

[bellum]

I'm gonna og find it and the stone is kinda true, really true. Where is the sacred realm, not in kokiri village and they say no kokiri can leave the village.ALthough Saria is the sage and she kinda lives in the sacred realm, if that is true.She would be the kokiri that left the forest and is still living.Also I never found it on my first try, I never even heard about it untill this thread popped on the forums, so I'm glad it's here and I"m going to read them both.

[MrMosley]

I'm gonna og find it and the stone is kinda true, really true. Where is the sacred realm, not in kokiri village and they say no kokiri can leave the village.ALthough Saria is the sage and she kinda lives in the sacred realm, if that is true.She would be the kokiri that left the forest and is still living.Also I never found it on my first try, I never even heard about it untill this thread popped on the forums, so I'm glad it's here and I"m going to read them both.

The only problem with that, well the only two problems, is that

1.) Since Saria is a sage, she's not going to die by going to the Sacred Realm. Her being a sage overrules the fact that she was born a Kokiri. and

2.) The video says "he" is still alive. So it must be a male Kokiri

The only Kokiri I know that actually left the forest was Mido. He went into the Lost Woods in the future time. But you can read the stone before going into the future, so that rules him out as well.

[Hachi]

Assuming that them leaving the forest is deadly, they never come out and tell us why it happens just that it happens. Of course that doesn't necessarily stop us from theorizing about it.

Personally I like to think of them as a regular plant: Certain plants need conditions to survive and since they are basically "forest people", it's possible that anywhere else outside of their natural habitat it's just impossible for them to survive. Although I don't really think Saria being a sage supercedes her Kokiri roots, just simply where she's at. I'm assuming that the sage realm is quite the holy place, basically a place where they are safe from "worldly" harm.

Another point that I think I saw mentioned in this thread, or in the podcast earlier tonight, is maybe the Deku Tree lied to them in order to keep them within the protective boundaries of the forest. This is possible, but it doesn't much explain them going out to Lon Lon Ranch during the final credits. I find it very hard to believe that the Kokiri's would so easily be convinced otherwise. It was their beloved guardian whom told them not to leave the forest, I just don't see them sweeping that under the rug just to attend a party.

Which leads to my next point: Game developers are not perfect. I think for the sake of having a ending scene which included pivotal characters through out the game, they added in the children.

I also don't think there is much mystery to who the gossip stone is referring to. I'm sure in such a small community, word got out quickly that Link left the forest. Someone whom they have lived with leaving would have to be a huge deal so of course a Gossip Stone near the Deku Tree would pick up on such scandalous news.

[Linkmaster]

Assuming that them leaving the forest is deadly, they never come out and tell us why it happens just that it happens. Of course that doesn't necessarily stop us from theorizing about it.

Personally I like to think of them as a regular plant: Certain plants need conditions to survive and since they are basically "forest people", it's possible that anywhere else outside of their natural habitat it's just impossible for them to survive. Although I don't really think Saria being a sage supercedes her Kokiri roots, just simply where she's at. I'm assuming that the sage realm is quite the holy place, basically a place where they are safe from "worldly" harm.

Another point that I think I saw mentioned in this thread, or in the podcast earlier tonight, is maybe the Deku Tree lied to them in order to keep them within the protective boundaries of the forest. This is possible, but it doesn't much explain them going out to Lon Lon Ranch during the final credits. I find it very hard to believe that the Kokiri's would so easily be convinced otherwise. It was their beloved guardian whom told them not to leave the forest, I just don't see them sweeping that under the rug just to attend a party.

Which leads to my next point: Game developers are not perfect. I think for the sake of having a ending scene which included pivotal characters through out the game, they added in the children.

I also don't think there is much mystery to who the gossip stone is referring to. I'm sure in such a small community, word got out quickly that Link left the forest. Someone whom they have lived with leaving would have to be a huge deal so of course a Gossip Stone near the Deku Tree would pick up on such scandalous news.

...You know, I never thought of that...You just might be right...plus, though I know this probably doesn't matter, in WW, the Kokiri become little plant things like Makar anyways...which means that this would make sense...even though the plant thing was just an example...

[Mike Pothier]

Not that he is Peter Pan, but strongly based off of him. Apparently, many of the stories in Zelda are also based off of Peter Pan's stories. Just like in the movie "Hook", Peter talks about how when he was a child, he still missed his mother and father, so he would fly home to see them every so often. At least until one night he flew there and seen they had another baby. Eventually he flew back, met a girl, and decided to stay, but those times when he was randomly flying back to see his mom didn't cause him to rapidly age and die, or die from anything else. But it would be obvious that while gone he did age somewhat, probably just at a normal pace as he would have in real time.

I have to disagree here. I find very little similarity between Link and Peter Pan. Wearing green is just coincidence. Its clear Nintendo was going for a very medieval feeling for Zelda, and green tunics were the norm then. And Link having a fairy is also coincidence, since fairies were long established as part of everyday life in Hyrule before Link got his own. And so far, he only got a fairy companion in 3 of the games. Most of the time, he keeps them in bottles.

[MrMosley]

I have to disagree here. I find very little similarity between Link and Peter Pan. Wearing green is just coincidence. Its clear Nintendo was going for a very medieval feeling for Zelda, and green tunics were the norm then. And Link having a fairy is also coincidence, since fairies were long established as part of everyday life in Hyrule before Link got his own. And so far, he only got a fairy companion in 3 of the games. Most of the time, he keeps them in bottles.

Those are similarities though. Not saying that they actually had the story in mind and wrote right by the book, but it wouldn't be a big surprise if the creators had the story of Peter Pan in mind while making some of the earlier games, especially Ocarina of Time. Whether or not tunics and fairies were associated with Medieval times isn't really that important. The thing is Link had a fairy, Peter had one. Kokiris apparently do not age in the forest, Lost Boys do not age in Neverland. Link battles his shadow, also known as Dark Link; Peter also battles his shadow, in a different way, by chasing it and trying to join it with him. Basically, both have trouble out of their shadow. I don't see how that is not considered similar.

[blackmoon]

I think it's a white lie the Deku Tree told the Kokiri to keep them safe.

The Koroks could leave the forest in TWW...

And if the Deku Tree could change them so they could survive outside the forest, why wouldn't he do so earlier? He loves his Kokiri children, he doesn't want them to die if they do something silly!

[Chris]

I have never found this stone or even heard about it before. I have never really cared what the Gossip stones say, but this one is kinda obvious. This one is just saying that a Kokiri left the forest and lives, A.K.A Link. Though Link was never a Kokiri, other Kokiri heard that he was a kokiri and the gossip stone heard that. Hence the phrase "I overheard this..." Since the gossip stone overheard it and the gossip stone can only hear other Kokiri (Consider it's location) it would only hear what the Kokiri know. That all leads up to the Kokiri only think that Link is one of them, meaning that the gossip stone heard wrong.

I tried to stay on topic but I think I may have stayed a bit.

[Kaynil]

I just find it ironic, as well as funny, because if it talks about a Kokiri who survived going out of the forest and that 'Kokiri' turns out to be Link, then the stone only knows when you come in one piece back.

The first time I read that I thought he was making fun of me xD

[Zarom]

It wasn't a lie when the Deku Tree said that when the Kokiri leaves the forest, they would die. He meant by that they will eventually grow up, and then, die. That also explains why Mido is in Lon Lon Ranch in the credits. He could leave the forest, but he stays so shortly in LLR that it doesn't change things much. :)

And the Lost Woods ARE part of the forest, since Saria go into the Lost Woods, seven years passed, and she stays young. Even if the Kokiris REALLY die if they leave the forest, Mido and Saria didn't die, so it's part of the forest. :)

EDIT:Another thing I tought of. Maybe it references to Fado, the wind sage in WW? To become a sage, maybe he has left the forest some day. And what about the hat he's wearing? It kind of look like Link, no? (But I know he's not Link.)

[Bob Majinki]

If it overheard Kokiri talking about Link leaving, why didn't it overhear the Deku Tree saying Link is not actually Kokiri? I mean, it's right behind the tree and all.

[Aurora]

Or maybe, lets put it this way. How big is this forest? We see trees covering almost all of hyrule field. So maybe its saying that if a Kokiri leaves Hyrule, he'll die.

[knowlee]

Hmm...I've never noticed that particular Gossip Stone behind there. I always thought that there was only one in that area. O.o Goes to show that I don't go exploring in Zelda a whole lot. :xd:

Anyway personally I see the whole thing of "when a Kokiri leaves the forest, they'll die" just to be a story that the Deku Tree told them in order to prevent them from trying to leave the forest. He was trying to keep his charges in line and try not to let them get hurt by the outside world because they wouldn't be protected by him if they were to leave. Ganondorf would probably be the big reason why he told them this story.


All the talk about them leaving and growing up could be possible. It makes me think of Peter Pan. A lot of things in Zelda make reference to the story of Peter Pan, and can be argued that the creators had this story in mind when making a lot of the things throughout the games.

A few noticable things are:

Link's green tunic and hat looks very similar to the costume which Peter Pan wears.

Link has Navi the fairy in OoT. Peter has Tinkerbell in his stories. Plus, fairies have also always been apart of Zelda, as they have in Peter Pan.

Peter Pan is often shown chasing and having trouble out of his shadow. Link also has trouble out of Dark Link (originally called Shadow Link) in various Zelda titles.

Among all these things, I think it would make sense that if the creators did have Peter Pan in mind, the Kokiri living in the Kokiri Forest would be based on Lost Boys living in Neverland. Both the Kokiri and the Lost Boys do not age while in these places. But we have seen (for those who know the story of Peter Pan or have seen the movie Hook) that if a Lost Boy leaves Neverland, he will grow up.

Lost Boys can also die while in Neverland, as I'm sure if something were to come to the Kokiri Forest and kill a Kokiri child, they would die as well. Its more likely that the Deku Tree told them not to leave so that they would stay young, as if they did leave they would grow old and eventually die from old age, even if nothing were to attack them in the outside world.

Honestly DL01, I never thought of there being any similarities between OoT and Peter Pan. Nice catch! :)