Will Zelda Get better or worse?

[Bluelink6]

I'm pretty sure there is no thread like this here yet, I checked, so......
What do you think, about the state of the Legend of Zelda series state of Games, and Do you think they will get better?

My Basis for this thread is the failure of standards in recent Zelda Games.
Such As, Phantom Hourglass. I Think they spent too much time and mney on the touch screen innovation, and not enough on gameplay. Heck, look at it like this- You can get the dungeon items without battling a mini boss. You get TOLD where all the treasure is. The puzzles are easy.....I hope the Next Zelda is Better quality. What about you? Will Loz games change for better...or worse?

[Vincent]

If this is Nintendo we're talking about, it'll only get worse. Next thing you know, Link will have some sort of primitive scale that you use the balance board for, and Zelda will be his fitness trainer.

[Shawnogohma]

You can get the dungeon items without battling a mini boss. You get TOLD where all the treasure is. The puzzles are easy.....I hope the Next Zelda is Better quality. What about you? Will Loz games change for better...or worse?
Though I do agree it was too easy and too short, I think it may have been the system it was on. Most DS games are pretty short. Especially 3D ones.

Anyways, I don't think they could get worse. The only technical thing that I think NEEDS to be in the next Zelda game is the ability to re-fight bosses, a sound test, and DIFFICULTY (for crying out loud. I haven't had a gameover in forever.).

That would make it better.

[LucarioMaster]

I'm pretty sure there is no thread like this here yet, I checked, so......
What do you think, about the state of the Legend of Zelda series state of Games, and Do you think they will get better?

My Basis for this thread is the failure of standards in recent Zelda Games.
Such As, Phantom Hourglass. I Think they spent too much time and mney on the touch screen innovation, and not enough on gameplay. Heck, look at it like this- You can get the dungeon items without battling a mini boss. You get TOLD where all the treasure is. The puzzles are easy.....I hope the Next Zelda is Better quality. What about you? Will Loz games change for better...or worse?

i think the zelda series would get better (i have good ideas as well) i hope zelda get's better (as i already know it will)

[Bluelink6]

Maybe. But If they keep making games the wya they madep hantom Hourglass, I think the series will fail. And I owuld so hate to see that. If Nintendo don't pick up the pace and make better Zelda Games, they'll collpase.

[Shawnogohma]

You need to have faith.

And if they take their time (which is most likely to happen if fans quit being so demanding.), I'm sure it will be just as good as all the others.

Also, if anything, Phantom Hourglass isn't the start of the fall of the Zelda series. In my opinion at least. >_>

[Vincent]

And if they take their time (which is most likely to happen if fans quit being so demanding.), I'm sure it will be just as good as all the others.


As if they listen to their fans anyway. They're not even giving any information until they have a release date.

[Bluelink6]

I know it isn't the start. Its part of the failing in the games, not the start, but a noteable part. Hey, that rhymes! Im just mentioning it that phantom hourglass stood out to me, more than other games, as a poor quality.

[Skull_Kid]

You need to have faith.

And if they take their time (which is most likely to happen if fans quit being so demanding.), I'm sure it will be just as good as all the others.

Also, if anything, Phantom Hourglass isn't the start of the fall of the Zelda series. In my opinion at least. >_>


Phantom of Hourglass is pure decay... I surely hope the next title is better than this one... Also, I would hate to have to buy a balance board just to play Zelda.

I like to think that the series will get better, but when I seriously think of it, I see exactly the opposite

[Shawnogohma]

So are you saying you didn't like PH?

Huh, I thought it was alright.

[Skull_Kid]

I am saying that, in my opinion as an old school hardcore zelda gamer, PH pretty much sucks, and don't even make me say why, please

[Alder Dragon]

I'm pretty sure there is no thread like this here yet, I checked, so......
What do you think, about the state of the Legend of Zelda series state of Games, and Do you think they will get better?

My Basis for this thread is the failure of standards in recent Zelda Games.
Such As, Phantom Hourglass. I Think they spent too much time and mney on the touch screen innovation, and not enough on gameplay. Heck, look at it like this- You can get the dungeon items without battling a mini boss. You get TOLD where all the treasure is. The puzzles are easy.....I hope the Next Zelda is Better quality. What about you? Will Loz games change for better...or worse?

I loved PH and I thought it took a big step forward for the Zelda series. I loved the control on the DS and I don't think that it told you what to do too often. There were still a lot of things like the ship parts and the gems that gave the game replayability. While I think it was a bit too short, I don't think I would say they did anything wrong.

[Midna666]

I think that the Zelda games will get better.
I think that as long as the developers have a enough time then they can make a good game.

[Amelie]

This is a very good question. Lets be honest with areselfs here ( i know i spelled that wrong)... Zelda has gotten easyer and easyer since PH

TWW was easy.. TP was even easyer.. and well.. PH.. err.. yes. easy. Now.. is easy bad to you? It kind of is to me.. if Zelda gets any easyer I hate to say it.. but I might end up getting bored with it!

But Some Zeldas like TWW and PH are bringing new things.. even if they are not challangeing.. it depends on what they are doing in the game that makes it worse for you.

I kind of wish they would make them more challangeing.. so.. in that area.. yes.. they could get worse.. in other areas.. like innovation.. its not nearly as possible.

But lets face it.. every company messes up there games sooner or later.. maybe they are just whereing Zelda out.. and maybe not.. maybe it will get better.. who really knows?

[Midna666]

This is a very good question. Lets be honest with areselfs here ( i know i spelled that wrong)... Zelda has gotten easyer and easyer since PH

TWW was easy.. TP was even easyer.. and well.. PH.. err.. yes. easy. Now.. is easy bad to you? It kind of is to me.. if Zelda gets any easyer I hate to say it.. but I might end up getting bored with it!

But Some Zeldas like TWW and PH are bringing new things.. even if they are not challangeing.. it depends on what they are doing in the game that makes it worse for you.

I kind of wish they would make them more challangeing.. so.. in that area.. yes.. they could get worse.. in other areas.. like innovation.. its not nearly as possible.

But lets face it.. every company messes up there games sooner or later.. maybe they are just whereing Zelda out.. and maybe not.. maybe it will get better.. who really knows?

What it sounds like you are saying is a game is only good if it is challenging.
The thing is a game does not always have to be challenging to be fun.

[ChargewithSword]

There is such a thing as too easy (PH), barely a challenge (TP), and actual challenge (OOT/MM.) Now PH was fun, but when a game is too easy, alot of the fun factor will disappear. When puzzles are so easy to solve you feel less like you accomplished something and more like you just got through one small obstacle. When you kill an enemy who never laid a finger on you, you question on why it wasn't harder if that enemy had a cutscene.
Why should a boss be so easy that they can't hurt you, it's cool the first time. But is it fun to fight that easy boss a second time? A challenging boss at least brings the tension of the first encounter with them. But the boss must also have a fun factor, which two of PH's bosses had for me. Grayk was fun despite being easy, and so was Eox.

I won't say that it's the doom of Zelda, but that PH is going down both a good and a bad path. I play Zelda so I can have fun and be proud of my accomplishments, but when my accomplishments can be done by a three-year old it takes away the spirit for me.

[Amelie]

What it sounds like you are saying is a game is only good if it is challenging.
The thing is a game does not always have to be challenging to be fun.

Believe me. I think I know that a game doesnt have to be challangeing to be fun. I never said that. But if a game is stupidly easy.. it get boreing.. for me. Its my opinion.

If Zelda gets harder puzzles and more innovative gameplay.. then it will be fun. What is it without that? For me it turns into a easy walk in the park >>

I had fun with PH.. but a few times I sat there and yawned at house easy most of it was. I like challanges.. and I miss when Zelda had many more of those then it does now.

[bellum]

the've been getting worse over the years and they could probably make one better but they have to take their time cause PH was done like "that" it was so quick and yhey haven't made anything since PH and that really gives us a hint about A new zelda game being worked on for a while which means it may be really good

[Uroboros]

It'll get worse if Ninty keeps tying to appeal to casual gamers and children. TP was waaaaay too easy.

[MrMosley]

I felt that TP was somewhat challenging. There were times when I could not figure out what to do, a lot of times actually, even though I had beaten ever previous Zelda before it. But I liked TP, and felt that it was good to play something similar to OoT again, even if it wasn't using anything particularly new.

I hated PH too. I've said it before, but its the only Zelda game I've ever re-sold back to the game store in order to buy another game (after I beat it of course). It has virtually no replay value, unless your just wanting to get the other two fairies or upgrades for your ship, which is really pointless as all you can do is look at it and go, "Well thats pretty kool."

But going back on topic here, I think the series will get better. Nintendo currently has two systems both of which offer new ways to play games, and I think they have explored only the tip of the iceberg with PH and TP (Wii) in that respect. I have high hopes for the new Wii title set to come out, but at the same time I hope they don't use the same setup they did with PH on the DS.

Nintendo has always thought of ways to make the series better imo, creating the first Zelda which was a revolutionary game for its time, implementing the "save" feature for the first time in a video game. Then releasing Adventure of Link, which gets shunned by many but for the true hardcore fans of the series and of games in general, realize its impact on such games as RPG's. So I have the utmost faith in Nintendo that they wil continue to create great Zelda tites, and make us wait years for them to be released, as it should be when making a great game.

[Josh]

I think over time that every game in the gaming world has died down, not just Zelda. I think this has really a lot to do with the system it's on, for example, LoZ is on some like 4-6? Button system, and it's hard as hell. But I'm a lot better with Gamecube controllers, and wii remotes and hence games seem easier.

I also, unlike it seems quite a few people here, do like to take into my decision other things than how easy or how hard it was. Twilight Princess was a beautiful game, people only demote it because they don't like the graphics for some reason after 2 years I STILL haven't figured out, and because it was too easy. I didn't find it easy at all. I think a lot only find it easy because most that are playing are the 20-30-40 year olds that have played the original Legend of Zelda and AoL so much that they find every new game simple because they lived in the age of hard.

Now on the subject of Phantom Hourglass, I'll give you that one in it was super freaking easy. But I like to think I'm an optimistic person who thinks the gaming world might still have a chance.

[MOS3]

Certainly, a game being "hard" does not make it good (Silver Surfer aka the hardest game ever made is the proof of that), and I think it is not easy to find a correct balance in terms of dificulty to the game. IMO, if I was the programmer, not being able to find the right balance and had to choose to make the game either a bit easier or a bit harder, I'd go for harder. At least that'll keep the players busy for a bit longer. After months and months (sometimes even years) of programming the game, it comes out and 2 days later someone already finished it and uploaded a video with the ending on youtube and a walkthrough must not feel good to the programmers lol. I lived (and survived!!) the "age of hard" lol, and sure, I'd love to see a more challenging zelda. I hope they make one with enemies constantly coming at you instead of the random bat or skeleton that is mostly annoying. Maybe if they added a difficulty option?...for younger players, they could play on easier levels while veteran ones can take on the hardest level and face a true epic challenge :)

[MrMosley]

Well just about any game that is released, no matter the difficulty, someone somewhere in the world is going to finish it in a few days. IGN always has guides up two to three days after a game's release, sometimes sooner than that. Those people are assigned to playing the game non-stop, so I think no matter what its going to be like that. Except for huge games like Oblivion. But I don't see us getting a Zelda game that big.

[MOS3]

Well just about any game that is released, no matter the difficulty, someone somewhere in the world is going to finish it in a few days. IGN always has guides up two to three days after a game's release, sometimes sooner than that. Those people are assigned to playing the game non-stop, so I think no matter what its going to be like that. Except for huge games like Oblivion. But I don't see us getting a Zelda game that big.

yeah, I know, maybe I didn't say quite clear what I meant. I just think they should make games a bit harder... I like to think of the evolution os to speak from OoT to MM.....MM is far harder IMO.....

[Shawnogohma]

The only hard part in Twilight Princess was the city in the sky dungeon. Ugh......

But a game can still be good even if it's really easy.

For me, I felt accomplished whenever I solved something in PH. Sure the dungeons are small and simple. And yes, the bosses were wussies. But I still get a feeling of accomplishment.

It's the same thing with Twilight Princess.

But, maybe a way to solve this whole difficulty thing (I haven't played a single difficult 3D Zelda game in my entire life.) would be to add difficulty options. There are two ways they can do that, too.

1. You select the difficulty while creating a file.

or

2. You select the difficulty for a certain thing (boss) and then beat it on other levels of difficulty another time (assuming the next game will give you the ability to re-fight bosses.)

[ChargewithSword]

The next Zelda must be hard, but it must be a hard that isn't due to being broken. It must be hard from puzzles and enemies. There must be a balance, the enemies must be strong enough that they can take more than 1/3 a heart (which most monsters in TP do) and they must be fast enough so they don't spend 10 seconds just prancing. The puzzles need to be difficult but not impossible.

[Trentino]

probably if the next one is for wii or Ds. They should make another one for gamecube or a second collecters eddition. in collecter eddition I only used OoT and Majora's Mask

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

I don't think Zelda has gotten worse over the years at all. Granted, PH was a small step behind Link's usual efforts, but I still enjoyed it. I loved TP, and I think the next Zelda console game will be great.

So in a way, I think they'll get better than they already are.

[El Bagu]

I`m a born optimist so I guess it can get even better in the future. Looking at the last games though I will say the contrary. TP was actually quite ok but the (2,5)D PH was dissapointing for me. I believe they make more games nowadays and most people want to play through the games quite fast. Also they want to sell many games. These reasons and also the fact that the new generation of gamers are more lazy suggest we´ll have to wait some time until great improvements will occur. (I know this maybe is a bit unclear but I´m not writing a book).

[Bluelink6]

Something I just thoght of- Apparently " once its the worst it can be, the only wa it can go is up."
If taht was the standard of Zelda's quality, eventually, how would that work?
would they have enough money to make better games? probably not. Which means the have to make better zelda now, or suffer later. if they make more games lik phantom hourglass, it will fail, I think. hopefull, then, it will get better, bt I wder what speculations could be made out of "what if it did fail?"

[Mike Pothier]

Well, so far, Zelda has been great. Its had its ups and downs, but that only is in comparison to other games in the series. If you compare the franchise with others, Zelda's consistant sky-high quality is damn near unparalleled.

Nintendo has yet to disappoint me with a Zelda game. I'm confident the next one will be great too.

[LinkOwnsYou]

I hope that they change for better, and they can't change for worse because the Zelda games are the ones who are holding the Nintendo company if people stop buying those games Nintendo will go from good to worse.

[Midna666]

I hope that they change for better, and they can't change for worse because the Zelda games are the ones who are holding the Nintendo company if people stop buying those games Nintendo will go from good to worse.

You do know that the Zelda games are not the only games that are holding up Nintendo right?
They also have the Mario and Pokemon games too.

[LinkOwnsYou]

You do know that the Zelda games are not the only games that are holding up Nintendo right?
They also have the Mario and Pokemon games too.

I know, but what I mean is that is the strongest, get it???:nod::nod:

[Kazumi]

In my opinion, we're all screwed. If not the next Zelda game, then the one after. It will fall big time. I have lost all faith. I believe..... That something very bad is going to happen to the series. This damn patent is just the start. Not just for Zelda, but for all of Nintendp. They will fall. Mark my words. I don't want them to fall, infact, that's the very last thing I want to hapen to them. But, with all of this Wii Fit crap, and casual crap, all of the long time hardcore Nintendo fans are going to be angry. They'll stop buying Nintendo games because they are much to aimed for casual gamers. But, the casual gamers won't buy it either. They won't do it for one reason or the other. Maybe boringness, not wanting to play Zelda, even if it's directed at them, something. I have no faith. But, I will enjoy the time Nintendo has left with all the power I have.

[Bluelink6]

In my opinion, we're all screwed. If not the next Zelda game, then the one after. It will fall big time. I have lost all faith. I believe..... That something very bad is going to happen to the series. This damn patent is just the start. Not just for Zelda, but for all of Nintendp. They will fall. Mark my words. I don't want them to fall, infact, that's the very last thing I want to hapen to them. But, with all of this Wii Fit crap, and casual crap, all of the long time hardcore Nintendo fans are going to be angry. They'll stop buying Nintendo games because they are much to aimed for casual gamers. But, the casual gamers won't buy it either. They won't do it for one reason or the other. Maybe boringness, not wanting to play Zelda, even if it's directed at them, something. I have no faith. But, I will enjoy the time Nintendo has left with all the power I have.

By Patent would you be reffering to the guy who said he could make them or something like that with a hint button?
Ugh....The Zelda games are getting easy enough as it is, any easier and you might as well be able ot get every item before the 1st boss and kill him with your little finger, it'd be that easy. -.-

Heck, In PH, my basis for thinking The Loz series will fail , you don't even get mini bosses that you have to fight for the items, and instead you have ot solve a puzzle, and they were way too easy.
And as for the bosses.....

[bellum]

Zelda will hopefully get much much better.But we have to face the fact, that as how we saw PH Zelda might get worse.

In my opinion I think Zelda will get better.Ph was Nintendo's first DS zelda game so of course It won't be as good as OoT was.I hope Zelda gets better in the future

[Bluelink6]

Zelda will hopefully get much much better.But we have to face the fact, that as how we saw PH Zelda might get worse.

In my opinion I think Zelda will get better.Ph was Nintendo's first DS zelda game so of course It won't be as good as OoT was.I hope Zelda gets better in the future

Thats true. looking at it that way, Belum, we could just regard Ph's lapse of quality as " teething problems". There ofre, you could argue that Zelda isn't going downhill, just Didn't do well on Ph becuase it was new. Good point, Bellum.

[Midna666]

Part of the problem is that the Zelda fanbase will still say that OOT is better ever if the next Zelda game does surpass OOT.

[Dr.Cortex]

I think Zelda has been getting better since the beginning. OoT was really a great one, along with MM WW and TP. I want to see more in the style of TP, just longer and maybe an even bigger hyrule field. PH is good for what we'll be seeing on handhelds.

[Amelie]

TP for me is something that made me go ew. I know I have said this tons and tons of times. But enough AlttP/OoT rehashes already! Its the past! Where is the future?

I really hate to say that games get boreing when they do the same thing over and over and over.. but its true.. its getting a bit dull. I mean.. people say "Ooo Castlevania owns!" and I agree that it has some fun games.

Other then that its the same thing over and over and over.. its just not doing very much new at all! I dont like seeing Zelda take this turn.. and from what Shiggy has said I have lots of hope that the next Zelda will really be something "new". If it isnt.. I guess I will just sludge through another easy enemmy/boss/puzzle game and hope that something else about it shines.

[Alter]

I could tell the games were going downhill when I didn't die a single time in TP or PH.

I think PH was more of an experiment and fill-in than a "real" Zelda game. I think they wanted to play with the touch screen and such. TP was overdone in some ways. They hyped it up too much for what it was. I think if Nintendo wants to pull off a good Zelda game, they should go for a 2D DS game.

My overall thought is that Zelda will keep going downhill unless they make drastic changes (which is the common rumor these days). Perhaps voice acting (for other characters), or maybe first person, as has been hinted. I don't know how these would be taken, or if they'd be any good, but I think it's the only shot if Zelda games are to keep becoming bigger and better.