Shadow Temple w/o Lens of Truth

[bellum]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8876/lensoftruthwb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
here is my Impossible test

Can you make it through the shadow temple without the lens of truth and it really could seem impossible for some people but I'm gonna try to do it and if any one else can do this please post here and I will honor you in the shadow temple hall of fame

[Petman1325]

It is impossible to go through the dungeon without the Lens of Truth. There are certain things that can only be seen with it. In addition, the Lens of Truth are REQUIRED to enter the dungeon and move the stone statue in the beginning. So, unless you used the Lens of Truth for those times, then it is impossible.

[blackice_cc]

It is impossible to go through the dungeon without the Lens of Truth. There are certain things that can only be seen with it. In addition, the Lens of Truth are REQUIRED to enter the dungeon and move the stone statue in the beginning. So, unless you used the Lens of Truth for those times, then it is impossible.

Not true at all. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's impossible to do anything. For the beginning puzzle, it would just be guess work. But for the rest, you could do it. It would be extremely hard though, and I doubt I'll ever try it. I hate the Shadow Temple in the first place.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

Alright, I accept.

I've gone through it so many times, I practicaly have it memorized!:D

[El Bagu]

My first thought on this was: Does not seem that difficult. But then I started to think about the "hookshot" room (the room with the re-deads and lots of hookshooting). I am not gonna try it!

[Skull_Kid]

It is not impossible, not at all... But you do need the Lens of Truth to beat Bongo-Bongo, I guess

[bellum]

It is not impossible, not at all... But you do need the Lens of Truth to beat Bongo-Bongo, I guess
not nessecarially cause you can time it right so that you hit bongo bongo or you can watch the hands charge at you and you'd have to memorize the seconds it takes to get bongo bongo but It takes a lot of practice

[Mases]

This is really cool. I haven't played Ocarina of Time in a heck of a long time, but for some reason I just think... even without the lens of truth, some items 'are not there'. Like, if I recall correctly, aren't there some treasure chests that can only be seen with the Lens of Truth. Perhaps I'm far off.

Although the consensus in this thread seems to think its possible, but really hard to do. This would be a fun journey for the hardcore Ocarina of Time fan. While I'm a big Zelda fan, I'm not sure I'd try to attempt something like this. However, this is certainly a fun challenge and if somebody can get it memorized, its certainly recordable and youtube worth. :)

[Bluelink6]

Not true at all. Just because you can't see something doesn't mean it's impossible to do anything. For the beginning puzzle, it would just be guess work. But for the rest, you could do it. It would be extremely hard though, and I doubt I'll ever try it. I hate the Shadow Temple in the first place.

I hate it too. I can' find my way around and It's infuriating.
Bellum, what you're attempting to do here is likely to fail, i reckon. But If and when you succed you'll probably be commended.
The odds of suceeding in the shadow temple without the lens of truth is probably 20% or something, which is very small. But you'll do well to try.

[El Bagu]

....... if I recall correctly, aren't there some treasure chests that can only be seen with the Lens of Truth. Perhaps I'm far off......


I am pretty sure I opened a chest once without using the lens of truth (just luck, not skills)

But I wouldn´t bet my life on it though.

[Skull_Kid]

I am pretty sure I opened a chest once without using the lens of truth (just luck, not skills)

But I wouldn´t bet my life on it though.

As far as chests are concerned, you need the lens or the game will act as if there isn't any chest

[El Bagu]

As far as chests are concerned, you need the lens or the game will act as if there isn't any chest

Ok then I guess I was totally wrong. We have atleast come to a conclusion: The task is mission impossible!

[LinkOwnsYou]

"IMPOSSIBLE" I don't think so. . .

I did it one time (it took me months) because I already know by heart where everything is so I don't need it but the thing that I couldn't do was the boss THAT'S Impossible. The only part that I died over and over again is the one where the bock it's moving.

[Skull_Kid]

"IMPOSSIBLE" I don't think so. . .

I did it one time (it took me months) because I already know by heart where everything is so I don't need it but the thing that I couldn't do was the boss THAT'S Impossible. The only part that I died over and over again is the one where the bock it's moving.

You need the lens to open the chests, if you don't use them, the game assumes there are no chests there

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

As far as chests are concerned, you need the lens or the game will act as if there isn't any chest

Really? I remember opening a chest in the well with the golden rupee before getting the lens.

[Alder Dragon]

Really? I remember opening a chest in the well with the golden rupee before getting the lens.

Yes, me too. I remember doing the same thing, with several other chests.

Perhaps it depends on your version of the game? Who knows. But I am relatively certain that I opened a chest without the lens of truth activated.

[Skull_Kid]

Yes, me too. I remember doing the same thing, with several other chests.

Perhaps it depends on your version of the game? Who knows. But I am relatively certain that I opened a chest without the lens of truth activated.

At least in the EUR version of the game it is not possible... Maybe it is one of the few things that changes from version to version

[Akiranon]

At least in the EUR version of the game it is not possible... Maybe it is one of the few things that changes from version to version
I remember opening one of those smaller ones. The ones you have to kick to open. I might be wrong though.

[LinkOwnsYou]

I remember opening one of those smaller ones. The ones you have to kick to open. I might be wrong though.

I know! me too it was luck! (NOW HAVE TO BE 50 CHARCATERS!!???)

[bellum]

As far as chests are concerned, you need the lens or the game will act as if there isn't any chest
well how do you know that and thanks for whoever changed the name of the thread^^

[Axle the Beast]

The Lens of Truth is not required in the least. As it's been stated: just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. It would just be guesswork and memory. As for Bongo Bongo... same thing. Although it would be more guesswork. A lot more. Bring lots of potions and fairies! :bottle:

I like the idea. I say I'll give it a shot my next time through! ^^

But here's an idea: Try beating the Master's Quest Shadow Temple without the Lens of Truth. I haven't played that version yet, but I imagine it would still focus on the Lens of Truth and be even more challenging!

[zeldafreak]

This guy did it.
But he used glitches. So technically it isn't legal.
But who cares.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCJHUjftY8&feature=PlayList&p=0DC6A953F03430AF&index=59

[UsayEldaZay]

ugh the shadow temple....ugh...i hated that temple...UGHH...im not saying its impossible for most people but for me, IMPOSIBLE TIMES ONE THOUSAND. ughh shadow temple :/

[bellum]

This guy did it.
But he used glitches. So technically it isn't legal.
But who cares.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCJHUjftY8&feature=PlayList&p=0DC6A953F03430AF&index=59
still I'm talking about with no cheats and I also see he did the spirit temple befor the shadow temple (which you can do legally but I still bet he used cheats for that)

people have said this many times you have to memorize the whole temple and as for the invisible floormasters well you might not make it out alivex.x

[Amelie]

Im pretty sure I have gone through without the lens of truth before. My friend has it memorized so she will tell me when I missed a chest. If I havent finished it without them at all.. I have come very close =D

Its not impossible ^^

[bellum]

wow amelie man I cant beleive anyonw could actually do that seems imposible to me

[Amelie]

I know for sure my friend can do it. I think it takes her a long time compared to if she did use it though. She says its hard to kill Bongo Bongo without them.

[bellum]

well I know one way to kill bongo bongo you just gotta hit him in the eye witha arrow si you dont really have to time it and then you can kill him in a few hits with the biggoron sword it's in a video a few posts a go he used a few cheats and glitches though

[zeldafreak]

Still...
You still can make it through if you memorize where everything is.
So you really don't need it much.

[bellum]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8876/lensoftruthwb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
with the bird in the main room where you gotta change it to the true torch I heard it changes every time so you couldn't possibly memorize that Bongo Bongo I'd think would be easy cause you just gotta shoot an arrow in the direction he's going so you dont really have to time it much

[Skull_Kid]

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8876/lensoftruthwb0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
with the bird in the main room where you gotta change it to the true torch I heard it changes every time so you couldn't possibly memorize that Bongo Bongo I'd think would be easy cause you just gotta shoot an arrow in the direction he's going so you dont really have to time it much

First time I played OoT I did that part without the Lens of Truth, so not much of a problem there... I guess it is possible in most versions, but, for example,in my version it is not!
I would gladly do It, but I am not in the mood of killing Bongo-Bongo's ghostly butt without the lens

[bellum]

thats the real problem once you battle Bongo Bongo you can no longer rebattle him but you must start a new game if you want to take the challenge maybe even take video on it an put it on this thread...

[Hammer Bro. Mike]

It's possible to do it but you'd have to go through the dungeon so many times and know where everything is. I've done some puzzles without the Lens of Truth because I remember how to do the puzzle by heart.

[bellum]

well O"m gonna try Bongo Bongo W/O the lens of truth but It's gonna take some time I"ll try to get all the way to the shadow temple again and If a can figure out a way to take video I'll be perfectly glad to:D

[LinkOwnsYou]

You need the lens to open the chests, if you don't use them, the game assumes there are no chests there

maybe it depends in the game because i can open an invisible chest without the lens of thruth but I don't know.

[bellum]

well I dont think you need the lens of truth to open chests the game will orbably know they're there anyway, Skullkid

[skill kud]

I probably could do it, except for the part where you need to move across the platform,everything else is just memorization. It is possible though...

[Kaynil]

I think this is a cool dare, since it doesn't seem impossible, just hard and tedious, hahah.

[Alex_Da_Great]

It is not impossible BUT it is very difficult and to perfect it, you have to know the temple off by heart.

[No_Comment]

I don't get the whole "Shadow Temple without Lens of Truth is IMPOSSIBLE!!!" When I play, I almost don't use it... And 1 thing is sure, you don't need Lens of Truth for Bongo Bongo, just shoot right between his hand, hand you will hit his eye. Seriously, I never use the Lens of Thruth against Bongo Bongo...

[Kadaj]

I'm going to reply to this thread first by saying that it is NOT impossible to beat the Shadow Temple without the Lens of Truth! Infact I did it two nights ago. It's not too difficult, Z targeting covers the invisible enemies, and if you have warpped the game numerous times you should almost know where all the hidden chests, doors, and platforms are; if you are in doubt of platforms you can always use Bombchus or even plain Bombs to check where they are.

BUT, I only use the Lens of Truth in one area and that is the Boss. Bongo Bongo.

[GerudoDesert]

Budd, dont think that if you dont do this, that people will think you're a failure. Its just a game.

[rnddim]

What I have always done with invisible treasure chests is, after seeing it with the Lens of Truth, I position myself in front of the chest, turn off the lens, and open the chest (this process I perform is merely to converse magic).
Based on what I know, when you can't see it, the game will allow you to walk through it, but positioned correctly, you can open it anyway.

[Chrono]

I challenge anyone to cross into the Desert Colossus without the Lens of Truth.

[Mii85]

Shadow Temple is one of my all time favorites and I might even someday try this out. Sounds quiet impossible but I don't mind replaying that place. Just love it.

[Ikana]

It could be done.I know I would never be able to do it.I was not that great at doing the Shadow Temple.

[zeldaoot4ever]

It is possible if you have already played it at least one time. I think I could make, but there is a long way until there so I am not trying. The challenge is to do it in your first time playing it!

[MiloulovesZelda]

I guess it's possible after seeing these vids:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqb8KsXP6h0&feature=related

or this one:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaL7TxlvxdU

So yeah try it I would say! :-)

[Sage of Shadow]

Actually after replaying it a few times, you sort of memorize where the illusions are. I can seriously do it (not to be a showoff). Maybe because I have more of a photographic memory.

[Olaf Forkbeard]

Yes. I have. Takes a good memory, and good aim with the bow.

[athenian200]

You could do it if you memorized the location of everything, most likely.

I think I've opened invisible chests while not looking through the lens of truth, and you can definitely walk through invisible walls or defeat invisible enemies without it.

The hardest parts would most likely be the skull puzzle at the beginning, and defeating Bongo-Bongo at the end. Everything else is probably within reason.

[Din Akera]

Cool idea, though I doubt I will try it. Because I don't like the shadow temple much. But I disagree with what was said about the skull puzzle moving. I'm pretty sure that it is in the same place every time. If it does move, it has never been on the opposite side of the room from where you enter the temple when I have played.

I think in regards to the hidden chests, I think they show up on the map if you have the compass so, that is easily fixed, is it not? And I can see being able to do almost everything in the temple without the lens except the moving block. In the main room (the first time there is a wallmaster) the block that moves along the chain, would be really hard. You would have to probably try several times, and once you fall, you would have to start at the top of the room again, and again, and again. I think I would get fed up with that.

But as what has been said. I think fighting Bongo Bongo wouldn't be that bad. If you had the sound on that would help too. The eye always come at you from in between the hands and he makes noise that gets louder as he gets closer, so that might help.

[Nociti]

It is possible, and not difficult if you've played through it many times.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnJN5Q_DagQ

[goron654]

I can't even do the stupid thing WITH the lense of truth i've been stuck there for a very long time.

[Seb09]

You could complete the shadow dungeon without the lens of truth, but with a lot of frustration. It would be extremely hard though, but of course walkthroughs would lighten the load. Since I'm starting a new game I think I'll try that.(unfortunately I'm still tring to get the third gem thingy :( .)