What happened to the Kokiri in the Child Timeline?

[Midna666]

Now we know theres a Deku Tree in the WW and that the Kokiri changed over time,but what happened too them on the child timeline?

[Vincent]

That's like saying what happened to the Gerudo. No one knows.

[Midna666]

That's like saying what happened to the Gerudo. No one knows.

You can't compared the two,so I fail to see your point.

[MrMosley]

That's like saying what happened to the Gerudo. No one knows.

Actually many people theorize that the Gerudo became the Twili. Many in game details hint to this in TP. And until something else disproves it, its what I believe at least.

As for your question, no one does know about the Kokiri. There hasn't been the slightest clue about them since OoT, aside from the flute playing kid in ALttP resembling one, but we all know he wasn't. I have a couple of ideas on this one though that are pretty simple to think of.

Either. . .

*The Kokiri are still around, still living in the Deku Forest, but its been secluded since OoT because you have basically no reason to be there. The only reason Link met the Kokiri in OoT is because thats where he lived, and where he had to get the Spiritual Stone. No other Zelda title has required you to interact with the Kokiri or the Deku Tree, so why include it?

*The Kokiri are all dead. Somewhere after OoT, either Ganondorf and his army of Gerudo, or another evil (though if this theory is true it was probably Ganondorf) killed the Deku Tree, thus causing all of the Kokiri to eventually perish.

[Zemen]

Actually many people theorize that the Gerudo became the Twili. Many in game details hint to this in TP. And until something else disproves it, its what I believe at least.

As for your question, no one does know about the Kokiri. There hasn't been the slightest clue about them since OoT, aside from the flute playing kid in ALttP resembling one, but we all know he wasn't. I have a couple of ideas on this one though that are pretty simple to think of.

Either. . .

*The Kokiri are still around, still living in the Deku Forest, but its been secluded since OoT because you have basically no reason to be there. The only reason Link met the Kokiri in OoT is because thats where he lived, and where he had to get the Spiritual Stone. No other Zelda title has required you to interact with the Kokiri or the Deku Tree, so why include it?

*The Kokiri are all dead. Somewhere after OoT, either Ganondorf and his army of Gerudo, or another evil (though if this theory is true it was probably Ganondorf) killed the Deku Tree, thus causing all of the Kokiri to eventually perish.

its likely that after the Deku Tree dies in the Child Timeline, he does not grow a new sprout (like in the adult timeline). if everyone remembers correctly, although link does go back in time and stop ganondorf before he can do damage, he still had to get the stones thus the Deku Tree would still be dead. maybe something happened and a new sprout never came so there was no protector of the kokiri thus causing them to die out. just an idea.

also, regarding the Gerudo being the Twili, if you pay attention, every time you save a twili creature and he is turned back to normal none of them resemble Gerudos at all and many of them are males. i doubt that in 100 years, the tribe changed so much that their "1 male every 100 years" thing changed so much. the only twili to resemble a Gerudo at all is Midna and thats only because she has red hair which im sure the Gerudos werent the only people in the world with red hair. other than that there were no resemblences. Zant wore the symbol of the Gerudo but that is most likely because he followed Ganondorf. as i said, a tribe would not change THAT much in 100 years. its probably NOT the Gerudo. it may not even be any tribe that we know of.

[MrMosley]

its likely that after the Deku Tree dies in the Child Timeline, he does not grow a new sprout (like in the adult timeline). if everyone remembers correctly, although link does go back in time and stop ganondorf before he can do damage, he still had to get the stones thus the Deku Tree would still be dead. maybe something happened and a new sprout never came so there was no protector of the kokiri thus causing them to die out. just an idea.

That could be, however I think that the Deku Tree still would have dropped a seed even though he technically wasn't saved after Link went back in time. The reason I believe this is that even after Link defeated Ghoma and retrieved the Spiritual Stone, the Deku Tree still died, yet still produced a sprout.


also, regarding the Gerudo being the Twili, if you pay attention, every time you save a twili creature and he is turned back to normal none of them resemble Gerudos at all and many of them are males. i doubt that in 100 years, the tribe changed so much that their "1 male every 100 years" thing changed so much. the only twili to resemble a Gerudo at all is Midna and thats only because she has red hair which im sure the Gerudos werent the only people in the world with red hair. other than that there were no resemblences. Zant wore the symbol of the Gerudo but that is most likely because he followed Ganondorf. as i said, a tribe would not change THAT much in 100 years. its probably NOT the Gerudo. it may not even be any tribe that we know of.

True, but the Twili people didn't evolve into what they looked like. They changed once they were in the Twilight Realm. No one knows how long this took or takes, therefore it could have been only a few years that they changed their look. If that is the case, then they wouldn't look like Gerudo people anymore even once they were transformed back from their creature form. They would simply look like what they became after they had been put inside the Twilight Realm. They didn't become the creatures until Zant turned them that way.

As for now, the conclusion is that they are a tribe whos origins we do not technically know, as is a lot of other things in the Zelda series that can be theorized various different ways. But much of the information about the Twili's background hints to the possibility that they were the Gerudo.

[Zenox]

I'm just assuming they were too childish, so either were killed off by failing to build an ark during the 'Great Flood', but it could be possible, that they found another Island in the great sea far away from flooded Hyrule, or Nintendo got lazy, or thought they were a bad Idea and never put them in (Assuming that WW is part of the child timeline)

[Midna666]

I'm just assuming they were too childish, so either were killed off by failing to build an ark during the 'Great Flood', but it could be possible, that they found another Island in the great sea far away from flooded Hyrule, or Nintendo got lazy, or thought they were a bad Idea and never put them in (Assuming that WW is part of the child timeline)

Wind waker is in the Adult Timeline.

[Zemen]

I'm just assuming they were too childish, so either were killed off by failing to build an ark during the 'Great Flood', but it could be possible, that they found another Island in the great sea far away from flooded Hyrule, or Nintendo got lazy, or thought they were a bad Idea and never put them in (Assuming that WW is part of the child timeline)

and in WW it is STRONGLY hinted that the deku tree transformed the kokiri into the korok so they could better live to the new flooded world.

[bellum]

really:hmm:t'know in OoT the deku tree died and no more kokori could be born that means all kokori's have been gotten rid of

[Zemen]

really:hmm:t'know in OoT the deku tree died and no more kokori could be born that means all kokori's have been gotten rid of

when he died he left a shrub to grow into a new deku tree.

[Pinecove]

Unless no-one has noticed, the "forest temple" in TP has the Kokiri symbol in it and resembles a giant TREE...HMMMMMM. The Kokiri are theorized to have become the monkeys.

As for the Geurudo/Twili thing, I personally believe the Twili were a mix of all races, but especially some Gerudo and some Sheikah...the only thing is that the TP Back Story happened before OoT...

[Smertios]

Unless no-one has noticed, the "forest temple" in TP has the Kokiri symbol in it and resembles a giant TREE...HMMMMMM. The Kokiri are theorized to have become the monkeys.

As for the Geurudo/Twili thing, I personally believe the Twili were a mix of all races, but especially some Gerudo and some Sheikah...the only thing is that the TP Back Story happened before OoT...

Kokiri becoming monkeys? Where did you get that from?

[Zemen]

Unless no-one has noticed, the "forest temple" in TP has the Kokiri symbol in it and resembles a giant TREE...HMMMMMM. The Kokiri are theorized to have become the monkeys.

As for the Geurudo/Twili thing, I personally believe the Twili were a mix of all races, but especially some Gerudo and some Sheikah...the only thing is that the TP Back Story happened before OoT...

how did the TP back story happen before OoT? i fail to see your logic there.

Ganondorf was supposedly a friend of the kings at the beginning of OoT so why would he have been excetued (or why would the royal family attempt to execute him) before OoT when the two kids see him in the castle.

by your logic, that would mean that OoT took place DURING TP because in the backstory, ganondorf is sent to the twilight realm...

i have no idea where you got that idea from.

[Japua_<3s_Ralis]

It's possible that after a long period of time the kokiri wandered out of the forest and assimilated into Hyrulean society. Another thing is that maybe when, or if, they decided to leave the forest the found another forest where the deku tree had sent a seed before, or had sprouted later and decided to follow this deku tree.

[Pinecove]

how did the TP back story happen before OoT? i fail to see your logic there.

Ganondorf was supposedly a friend of the kings at the beginning of OoT so why would he have been excetued (or why would the royal family attempt to execute him) before OoT when the two kids see him in the castle.

by your logic, that would mean that OoT took place DURING TP because in the backstory, ganondorf is sent to the twilight realm...

i have no idea where you got that idea from.

Sorry I was talking about the interlopers, not Ganondorf getting caught.


Kokiri becoming monkeys? Where did you get that from?

Where else are the Kokiri and where did the monkey come from then?

[bellum]

oh yeah I forgot that he made a new shrub:fail:

[MrMosley]

Where else are the Kokiri and where did the monkey come from then?

No one knows where they are, which is why the thread was made. My question is why would the Kokiri need to be turned into monkeys? That dosen't make any sense if there were no physical changes to the environment in which they lived.

[Midna666]

Where else are the Kokiri and where did the monkey come from then?[/QUOTE]

Do you have any evidence to back up this idea?

[Japua_<3s_Ralis]

Where else are the Kokiri and where did the monkey come from then?


Do you have any evidence to back up this stupid idea?

The fact that the area around the Deku Tree/ Forest temple now being a canyon, and the fact that the main room you see the monkeys in has a huge hole in the ground, and as we all know monkeys climb better than children. That's where he can get evidence for that idea, from the environment.

[MrMosley]

Do you have any evidence to back up this stupid idea?

Don't be rude in your posts Midna. The idea isn't stupid even though you don't agree with it.

I don't agree with it either personally but I can see where you could make a hint towards it. Basically, there isn't enough evidence to support that the Kokiri became the monkeys. If Nintendo wanted us to know that, then they would have given us hints towards it in some sort of game text or dialogue, such as how they did in Wind Waker. The fact that the Kokiri and the Deku Tree are never mentioned in the entire game probably means that the producers didn't want to use the idea anymore, or at least for this title.

[Midna666]

[QUOTE=dark_link01;35611]Don't be rude in your posts Midna.
I was not being rude,I was just saying that it's stupid to say something without anything to back it up.

[Mike Pothier]

Simple answer: We don't know. We don't know because it isn't important. For all we know, the Great Deku tree could have packed its bags and hitched a ride to another forest. They don't figure into the plot at all, so its a non-issue.

[Pinecove]

was not being rude,I was just saying that it's stupid to say something without anything to back it up.

Nothing to back it up? Alright then ms. Smarty pants.

-Where did the Kokiri go then?
-Why are the monkeys living inside what apears to be the remanance of the old GDT?
-Where did the monkeys even come from?
-Why are they so nice to people?
-Why do they wear some sort of clothing?

No proof indeed...next time you see an idea that you don't like, try to disprove it instead of acting like a troll.

[Mike Pothier]

Disprove what? That evidence is so flimsy, it doesn't need disproving. That isn't evidence, thats just unrelated facts.

[Pinecove]

...True however it's better then to asume that the Kokiri simply went extinct...

[Mike Pothier]

We don't assume anything because we don't know anything.

[MOS3]

well, in OoT, they were children in a forest. In WW thery are sort of... human-plant-childern, capable of flying through the seas. So I think it is safe to say they have a great evolving/adapting hability. So in lack of evidence, my guess is they evolve into something more fitting to the current state of the world they live in. Perhaps even into trees and such.

children - plant/children - trees?

could be. it can be a safer form of evolution. they wouldn't be chased by ganon or w/e and maybe they still have a mind of their own.

anyways maybe I'm just speaking nonesense lol

[Pinecove]

We don't assume anything because we don't know anything.

Asuming is better then not knowing anything at all.

[MOS3]

oops, double posted....sorry...my internet is givving trouble again :(

[Mike Pothier]

Asuming is better then not knowing anything at all.

No. Not at all. We don't assume until we have something to back up our assuptions, otherwise we come up with stupid theories.

[Caleb, Of Asui]

Since the Deku Tree died at the beginning of Ocarina of Time, BEFORE the timeline split, and is only revived in the future part, he remains dead in the child timeline. I don't know if the Kokiri are born from the Deku Tree, but, if they are, then they don't exist in the future because no new ones were born and all the "old" ones died. I suppose you could also say that they still exist, but future Links have no way or reason to meet them.

[Zemen]

Since the Deku Tree died at the beginning of Ocarina of Time, BEFORE the timeline split, and is only revived in the future part, he remains dead in the child timeline. I don't know if the Kokiri are born from the Deku Tree, but, if they are, then they don't exist in the future because no new ones were born and all the "old" ones died. I suppose you could also say that they still exist, but future Links have no way or reason to meet them.

well i think its safe to assume that the deku tree leaves a sprout regardless of what timeline hes in..

[bellum]

I"m really not sure, Do Kokiri actually Die or do they stay as kids forever? but Nintendo has gotten rid of them and I havent played all of the Loz games but I think OoT was the only game kokiri were in but I guess that is one of the races that just didn't work our in the Loz series.

[Master Kokiri 9]

Now we know theres a Deku Tree in the WW and that the Kokiri changed over time,but what happened too them on the child timeline?

Personally i missed the presence of a deku tree and kokiri and maybe jabu jabu came to appease it's large appatite and then they all got digested and went extinct:sick:. but seriously i think that maybe they found a different patch of forest to live at or they were wiped out by vatti. the possibilities are nearly endless.

[Hayzer]

I'll give my wheels a quick spin here. Between MC and OoT, I believe the Picori eventually became the Kokiri. And then we know what happens in the AT, Koroks...

The CT we have Picori-->Kokiri.

I think that they are still in Kokiri forest. Since that wasn't on any of the maps in any of the CT games, well, they should still be there. Nothing has affected them in any way, so why should they have died out? I say they're just in hiding.

[Zarom]

I think that, once the Deku Tree died, one day the Kokiris decided to leave the forest, and thus, they die. (actually, they can grow up and die of old age) :nod:

Or they also may have become the Ordon people? :thinking:

...who knows? :huh: