Gerudo

[Mases]

In Ocarina of Time, the Gerudo take on many changes throughout the game. The Gerudo are a tribe of all women, but there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. This male Gerudo happens to be Ganondorf.

At first, the Gerudo don't want Link to be apart of their tribe and each time he comes near, they capture him and toss him into the Gerudo Prison. Only after he duels with the Gerudo's is he rewarded a Gerudo membership and allowed to walk freely amongst the Gerudo Fortress. At that point the Gerudo are friends with Link, allowing him to use their archery game as well as their training grounds.

Link later encounters the 2nd in charge Gerudo, Nabooru. She is found within the Spirit Temple and Link learns that Nabooru despises Ganondorf. Link later goes on to help Nabooru and defeats the Spirit Temple, later finding out that she was the Spirit Sage.

In Majora's Mask, the Gerudo are pirates along the Great Bay. Once again, they are entirely a female tribe. These Gerudo's are advanced and seem to be doing some sort of research. The have an edge in technology since they use motorboats and cannons.

Other then that, the Gerudo are not found in any of the main Zelda games. (Not counting Ganon and Twinrova). They do make an apperance in the Four Sword Adventures though.


There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

Where are they in the rest of the Zelda games??? If you are one that believes in a timeline or a split timeline, it is commonly believed that the Gerudo race was wiped out with the Great Flood that is the Wind Waker. Fine, but how about Twilight Princess, the Minish Cap, either of the Oracle games, any of the four early Zelda games?

Did they only exist in the land of Hyrule & Termina and the ones in Hyrule all of a sudden decided, forget it, we are leaving. Too many unsolved mysterious regarding this race.

[linkman8]

There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

I've been wondering about this, myself.

Oh, and with the Gerudos in MM, they said they were pirates, so perhaps Nintendo just needed to reuse the original Gerudos in the game to play as the pirates. I'm probably not making much sense, but perhaps the pirates aren't Gerudos at all.
Perhaps why they're not seen in any of the other games is because the game just didn't take place in an area of the world that Gerudos inhabited? Maybe they were there, but you just didn't get to see them.

[Onilink89]

yeah its strange. as far as i know, MM is an entirely other dimension so i count that out.

as for oot, maybe gerudo fortress wasn 't "in" hyrule but rather just outside it. i mean, when you first encounter zelda in the game ganondorf pledges loyalty to the king of hyrule, so i assume there wasn 't any connection between ganondorf and the king in the past, while the gorons, zoras, sheikans already had a long time connection with the king of hyrule.

yes the gerudo legend of having a male leader after each 100 years sounds unlogical.
i was wondering also how they make babies if there arn't any males. but later when is was touring around hyrule to search for gossip stones (because i obtained the mask of truth) there was one gossip stone just outside the temple of time.
the gossipstone said this:
"They say that Gerudos sometimes come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for boyfriends."

so the only reason i can come up with is that they are making babies with their boyfriends, but still that there will be a male born in every 100 years sounds unlogical.

[Chrono]

The gerudo are the twili. TP occured 100 or so years after OoT, and a male Gerudo is born every 100 years, the second known male is known as...Zant. Midna said their race were banished from Hyrule, which is understandable why the Gerudo was banished seeing how Ganondorf himself is Gerudo.

Pay attention to the fight with Ganon at the end of TP, he too possesses the power of the Twilight. Once Midna turns back to human form, she resembles a Gerudo. Isnt it also weird that the portal to the Twilight Realm is in the Gerudo Desert? Im not sure how much clearer TP can show everyone that the twili are in fact the gerudo.

Im actually going to be writing a full blown article concerning this later, full of spoilers.

EDIT : Ok while playing Twilight Princess again, I have found in game quotes pretty much proving the gerudo are the twili.

Quotes by Auru (speaking of Gerudo Desert) : "The criminals who were sentenced to death were sent directly to the uderworld by a cursed mirror that was kept in the prison" "This desert at worlds end...it still holds the cursed mirror and the malice of the doomed inmates"

Midna (right when you enter the Gerudo Desert) : "About the fused shadows...what do you think happened to the magic wielders who tried to rule the sacred realm?" (screen gazes to the desert wasteland) "They were banished...They were chased along the sacred lands of Hyrule and riven into another realm by the goddesses."

Then goes to cut scene explaining the realm. "Its denizens became shadows that could not mingle with the light, eventually most came to call it..the twilight realm." "This is the history of th twili as it has been passed down from our ancestors". " Do you now undertstand what Iam?...I'm a descendant of the 'tribe' that was banished to the twilight realm"

Aside from all that, Ganondorf himself was banished to the realm of twilight...

Sages "Only the true leader of the twili can utterly destroy the mirror of twilight...so Zant could only merely break it into pieces"

The Gerudo are the Twili.

[ssj5goten]

o and btw how they keep existing check the stones at the temple of time in oot they say gerudo sometimes come to town too look for boyfriends so i guess that is the way.

[Smitie]

maybe the gerudo are based on the legend of the amazons in greek mythology. they were a female-only tribe and they killed their sons or left them to die when they were born (quite scary, but that is what i heard).

[Alder Dragon]

You know, Zauz from the Phantom Hourglass strangly resembles a Gerudo.

[linkman8]

Somewhere on the internet, I even heard someone say Zauz was Ganondorf.

[Alder Dragon]

Somewhere on the internet, I even heard someone say Zauz was Ganondorf.

Wow, that's quite a stretch. But I guess anything is possible when it comes to Zelda.

[linkman8]

Wow, that's quite a stretch.
That's what I thought too.

Speaking of which, though, I do remember something being rather peculiar about Zauz.

[Mases]

I heard that Zauz was part of the Cobble Kingdom who lived on the Isle of Ruins and their remains are burried on the Island of the Dead.

In regards to Phantom Hourglass, I have read online that Jolene and Joanne were of Gerudo descent.

[Alder Dragon]

In regards to Phantom Hourglass, I have read online that Jolene and Joanne were of Gerudo descent.

Hm, that makes sense. I completely forgot about them.

[linkman8]

I did too. They're Gerudo descent, but one is a pirate. Maybe the Gerudos took up the life of pirates...

[Onilink89]

yeah i heard that too, but then then i was thinking back the pirates of mm and maybe tought that the dimension in PH is flooded termina. but still i think its a other dimension.

anyway avenged is right about his theory that gerudo 's are in fact the twili, it also makes more sense why ganondorf helped zant and why zant wanted the throne.

[MiniMeMilo]

Back on page 1, Avenged stated that the Twili were actually the Gerudo. As you all know, the Gerudo is an all female tribe withe only one male born every 100 years. The only way that Avenged's theory could be true, is if the male Gerudo lived on well past that 100 years. If my memory serves correct, the Twili were all males after you brok the curse on them. Unless females run around with no shirts on regularly in Zelda games. I could be wrong, but I think they were males...

[Chrono]

Thats possible, but TP does in fact take places 'hundreds' of years after OoT, there could have been several males born by then.

[MiniMeMilo]

That's kind of what I was thinking. Maybe in the Twilight Realm many laws do not come into effect. Maybe they can live for up to, say, 1000 years. Maybe more, who knows? But where were all the females? Maybe it turned out like an ant colony where the queen(Midna) has like 100 babies per day. Ok, maybe I'm exaggerating, but you get the idea.

[Chrono]

Yea, but from what I seen in the twilight realm, we saw the twili in the palace only due to not being able to visit the whole twilight realm in general. but who knows, Im sure the next console Zelda will reveal more details.

[Kybyrian]

Tch, if they explain anymore about the Twilight Realm and pick it up again in another Zelda game.

The Gerudos have always interested me. Like many of you, I always thought that it was weird that a male was born every 100 years. I also wondered how they continued to make children. But that seems to be solved by that gossip stone quote :p

I never really payed too close attention to the many details that Twilight Princess provided to determine that the Gerudo people are in fact Twili. That's quite interesting.

[Alder Dragon]

I hate how Nintendo leaves unresolved things like this. Us fans are forced to find connections and rely on them.. then a new game is released that makes it even more complicated. Let alone having to think about the Minish.

[Mases]

I've progressed further in Twilight Princess, (just reached the Palace of Twilight), but I'm not sure I agree with everything that said here.

During the Ocarina of Time, I don't really remember the Gerudo being supportive of Ganondorf. I do remember Nabooru acting as an enemy to the Ganondorf, but I don't really remember much relation from the Gerudo to Ganondorf other than the obvious, him being the single male and being of Gerudo descent. So why would the Gerudo be banished? For just being theives? It seems to me that they had their own little civilization and just didn't like outsiders. In fact, they even opened up to Link when he proved himself worthy.

I've read online that there have been theories that the Twili are descendents from the Zuna tribe from the Four Swords Adventures.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Zuna
The Gerudo were a seperate tribe from the Zuna in FSA, but I won't go into this because it is a topic of its own.

The Gerudo to me have always been a very loyal trible group. Always bonded close with one another, much closer than the other races in the Zelda world. Thus, perhaps they travel in packs and just during the time periods of the games, they weren't living in the area of the game. This could explain why they are only found in a select few Zelda titles. (Not counting Ganondorf and Twinrova)

[zeypherlink]

Thats a good point, Mases.
And-

The inscription on the stone tablet behind the Trident shows that it was designed for evil purposes by an evil race. One of the maidens says to Link that a dark tribe tried to invade Hyrule, but were defeated and sealed inside the Dark Mirror, found inside the Temple of Darkness. It seems to fit that the evil tribe that was sealed inside the Dark Mirror, are the Zuna ancestors, as they may have used their Trident to attempt to take over Hyrule.
*SPOILER WARNING*
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At the end of TP, Midna uses a Trident type thing after she uses the fused shadows to transform, if I remember correctly.
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*END SPOILER WARNING*

The "Dark Mirror" is no doubt the Mirror of the Twilight.

So maybe the Zuna are the Twili...

[Kybyrian]

I'm thinking, that they were banished, because as you can see, weren't very friendly to others. Unlike Link, almost everybody in Hyrule is too scared to do anything, and are generally weak. The Gerudo captured the carpenters in Ocarina of Time, and pretty much denied access to anybody. Even I would open up to a person if they had defeated all those people and passed them all up. Nabooru always seemed a bit nicer than the other Gerudo. She sure didn't like Ganondorf, I know that; but that was because he wanted complete control, and wanted to share it with nobody.

[zeypherlink]

I think we're missing another important detail.
If the Twili are the Gerudos, then how did they get a hold of that ancient magic in the first place?
Also, Im pretty sure it said that they were banished because they tried to invade Hyrule or something like that...Why would the Gerudos invade Hyrule? Gerudo Desert is still part of Hyrule, and the Gerudos looked pretty happy there to me ;)

[Kybyrian]

Well, you know how the Gerudo's were capturing people who came close? And well, they were bandits. Perhaps they were pilfering from the people in Hyrule and were forever banished once and for all. It seems reasonable. They were a band of thieves. I do believe that they are the Twili. How they got ahold of the Ancient Magic? Don't ask me :p

[Onilink89]

I'm thinking, that they were banished, because as you can see, weren't very friendly to others. Unlike Link, almost everybody in Hyrule is too scared to do anything, and are generally weak. The Gerudo captured the carpenters in Ocarina of Time, and pretty much denied access to anybody. Even I would open up to a person if they had defeated all those people and passed them all up. Nabooru always seemed a bit nicer than the other Gerudo. She sure didn't like Ganondorf, I know that; but that was because he wanted complete control, and wanted to share it with nobody.

the carpenters were captured because they were males. yes the gerudo are just thieves, for far as i know ganondorf, and those two whitches are gerudo 's that can use magic.
Nabooru didn 't like ganondorf because he killed lots of innocent lives, or something like that.

[Chrono]

Wow some good points, you're missing one valid point Mases, FSA is a SPINOFF. Even if we were to count it as part of the timeline and if your theory is correct, then ALttP must have happened before Twilight Princess as well (along with FS).

Plus..the fact that Ganondorf himself is using the power of the Twili...and the fact he is the first to be banished to the Twilight Realm.

Here's a most obvious reason why the Gerudo were banished...Ganondorf tried to take over Hyrule! By now you should know he is in fact a Gerudo...Now how can the people of Hyrule prevent another sick magic wielding gerudo from taking over Hyrule?...hmm banishment? I think so. Yes, the Gerudo race are in fact wielders of the 'black magic'. They have always wielded this magic...It even says in ALttP that Magdrag Ganon (Ganondorf Dragmire) is exceptional at the black arts...

Ok, now we're saying the dark Mirror is the same as the Mirror of Twilight? Ok, we might as well say the Magic Mirror from ALttP is as well..since it too gives Link access to a 'darkworld' oh wait, its just the Golden Land. Hell, we might as well say the Magic Book from LoZ is the Book of Mudora...and the Triforce of Courage..is also the Triforce of Power!!! LOL anyways...We wont truly know until TP's sequal releases...oops, I've said too much...

Also, one more thing..the Gerudo being banished would make total sense (kinda like a loophole for Nintendo) since well...Gerudo has not appeared in the games following TP in the timeline, that be including...ALttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, Oracles...

[zeypherlink]

Also, one more thing..the Gerudo being banished would make total sense (kinda like a loophole for Nintendo) since well...Gerudo has not appeared in the games following TP in the timeline, that be including...ALttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, Oracles...
Yeah, that makes sense. Nintendo probably did it on accident though, lol.

[Onilink89]

Wow some good points, you're missing one valid point Mases, FSA is a SPINOFF. Even if we were to count it as part of the timeline and if your theory is correct, then ALttP must have happened before Twilight Princess as well (along with FS).

Plus..the fact that Ganondorf himself is using the power of the Twili...and the fact he is the first to be banished to the Twilight Realm.

Here's a most obvious reason why the Gerudo were banished...Ganondorf tried to take over Hyrule! By now you should know he is in fact a Gerudo...Now how can the people of Hyrule prevent another sick magic wielding gerudo from taking over Hyrule?...hmm banishment? I think so. Yes, the Gerudo race are in fact wielders of the 'black magic'. They have always wielded this magic...It even says in ALttP that Magdrag Ganon (Ganondorf Dragmire) is exceptional at the black arts...

Ok, now we're saying the dark Mirror is the same as the Mirror of Twilight? Ok, we might as well say the Magic Mirror from ALttP is as well..since it too gives Link access to a 'darkworld' oh wait, its just the Golden Land. Hell, we might as well say the Magic Book from LoZ is the Book of Mudora...and the Triforce of Courage..is also the Triforce of Power!!! LOL anyways...We wont truly know until TP's sequal releases...oops, I've said too much...

Also, one more thing..the Gerudo being banished would make total sense (kinda like a loophole for Nintendo) since well...Gerudo has not appeared in the games following TP in the timeline, that be including...ALttP, LA, LoZ, AoL, Oracles...

i believe that the gerudo are the twili, but something bothers me.
midna also said in the game that the magic that zant used is different that the twili tribe used. and we all know ganondorf gave him that power. so what does that means? that ganondorf use only the triforce of power or is it that ganondorf magic is also ancient magic?

[Chrono]

Yes he says he obtained the power of the gods as well...meaning he too used the power of the Triforce.

[Onilink89]

Yes he says he obtained the power of the gods as well...meaning he too used the power of the Triforce.

ow like that, ok now the ending makes more sense.

[Mases]

I really am not ready to make any assumptions. I've read online about the Zuna from Four Swords Adventures, but I haven't played the game. Thus, all the information I've heard or read has been just opinionated works over other people. Things with the trident of power from lttp, etc...

Also, I've yet to complete Twilight Princess (at the Palace of Twilight), so I can't make a full judgement about the Twili either.

Overal, both seem very plausable and just from the information I've read, I think I'd lean more towards the Zuna, but I'd love to play through the game myself and check it out more extensively.

The Zuna need to make more appearances for this to be believeable in my opinion. Since all in all, the Twili have only made one apperance and the Zuna have only made one apperance, while the Gerudo have made limited appearances. Not truly enough to get accurate data on all three tribes and make the connections. I surely hope we get more information on these trio of tribes.

[RyanNope]

I don't think that the Gerudo are the Twili. I think that the Zuna are, even if they are from a "SPINOFF". I think that the only reason we've seen the Gerudo in limited games is that they're not part of Hyrule. They are likely their own nation, one of the sages just happened to come from the Gerudo tribe.

Onilink, PH takes place in the same dimension as WW, it's just in another reigon. The area in WW wasn't the whole world, neither is PH. The fact is that the Gerudo might have become pirates perhaps not. Maybe those two aren't the only Gerudos left, they're just seperated from the rest.

[Chrono]

Prove to me that FS, FSA, ALttP, and TMC happens before TP...then I will back down from my theory about the Gerudo being the Twili.

[RyanNope]

Well Avenged, The Triforce was seperated in OoT and seems to remain that way or in pieces through out the following games (WW, OOS/OOA, LoZ) yet in ALttP the Triforce is whole.

[Chrono]

Ok, so it is impossible in your theory there...All Im trying to say is..if the Zuna are the Twili...then FS would have to be before TP...FSA and TMC would as well seeing how they both tie in with the Four Sword saga....and the same with ALttP thanks to nintendo since FSA and ALttP are linked in its newer form.

[RyanNope]

Wait, have you played FSA? they said that they were a remnant of a tribe that was sealed in realm of darkness (or something like that) for trying to take over long ago, like at the beginning of time.

[Chrono]

Yes I've played it (I've played pretty much every single Zelda game, excluding the Tingle RPG). Ok...so in that theory they can be both. Just like the Koroks are the remnant on the Kokiri...Gerudo>Twili>Zuna. All desert habitants...no?

I just go with the obvious, Ganondorf was the first to be banished to the Twilight Realm (dont believe me..play TP again, cutscene after Arbiters Grounds). And the fact he possesses power of the Twili...

[zeypherlink]

I strongly agree with the argument you're presenting, Anenged, but--
http://zeldawiki.org/Telma
If Telma is a Gerudo, the whole theory is trash.

[Chrono]

Telma is hylian...she has the pointy ears first off and resides in..Hyrule Castle Town. And if Im correct all gerudo have rounded ears...including Ganondorf.

[zeypherlink]

Telma is hylian...she has the pointy ears first off and resides in..Hyrule Castle Town. And if Im correct all gerudo have rounded ears...including Ganondorf.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Ganondorf
Its hard to tell...but they're a lot shorter than Hylian ears.

[Mases]

It is really hard to say with Zant and Midna since they always have something covering their ears, so we don't know if they are pointed or not. For what it's wort, the imp version of Midna has really pointy ears.


Prove to me that FS, FSA, ALttP, and TMC happens before TP...then I will back down from my theory about the Gerudo being the Twili.

Like I've said, I haven't played FSA so all I'm going by is what I've read on the internet. One thing that I have read about the Zuna though is that it says that the Zuna didn't really create the Trident of Power, but their ancestors did. These ancestors were skilled in magic but don't exactly have a name, but it seems logical that they may not actually be the Zuna, but just ancestors. The Gerudo, Twili, and Zuna could all be descendents of this 'dark magic tribe'.

This could explain why the Gerudo have close similarities to the Twili and the Zuna and also why the Twili and Zuna have similarities. Years ago they could have been a part of the same tribe that did create the Trident of Power. The trident could have been created long before anything in any of the Zelda games ever took place. I don't remember if the series ever touched on when the Master Sword was created, but it seems logical that the Trident of Power was created at the same time, as an opposition to the MasterSword.

Thus, I don't think the placement of the games matters as much. The Trident could been created by this ancient evil tribe that is unknown to us and then later evolved into three seperate tribes, the Gerudo, the Twili, and the Zuna. I really hope Nintendo sheds some more light on the subject. Perhaps if this is true, there are more branches of descendents that exist in the Zelda World that we have never heard of.

[Onilink89]

i found something interesting
you know that i made the topic OOT mirror shield
http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=223

and my question was what the new symbol was, and the awnser thats its the gerudo symbol. i finnaly found out where i had seen it before
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m33/ZeldaGamer21/Nabooru.jpg

now pay attention to the symbol on its robe on the front, its like a converted gerudo symbol
http://images.wikia.com/zelda/images/a/ac/Zant.jpg
NOTE: image is quite big bet at least you can take a close look.

[Chrono]

If you read any of my past posts, you would have already realized that it is the Gerudo symbol ;)

[zeypherlink]

I just thought of something.
What if Ganondorf had Zant, Veran, and Onox wear the Gerudo symbol simply because hes a Gerudo himself, and its like a symbol for himself...instead of because Zant, Veran, and Onox are all Gerudo?

[Onilink89]

I just thought of something.
What if Ganondorf had Zant, Veran, and Onox wear the Gerudo symbol simply because hes a Gerudo himself, and its like a symbol for himself...instead of because Zant, Veran, and Onox are all Gerudo?

don 't know about veran and onox because i never played the oracle series.
but one thing is for sure, zant is still wearing the robe even before he meets ganondorf.

and avenged, sorry if i was not paying good attention of your past posts about the gerudo symbol. well either way i'm still kinda proud of myself that i found it out on my own :D

http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5PEuMJSYQ

[Chrono]

Exactly, and look at Midna, she was also naked.

[Mike Pothier]

I've already debated with Avenged about this, but I do not believe the Twili and the Gerudo are the same people. When Ganon was banished, the twilight realm already existed for quite some time, and the Twili already there. If Ganon was banished at any point after OoT, the Sages should have known he held the Triforce of Power, but they clearly did not.

[zeypherlink]

I've already debated with Avenged about this, but I do not believe the Twili and the Gerudo are the same people. When Ganon was banished, the twilight realm already existed for quite some time, and the Twili already there. If Ganon was banished at any point after OoT, the Sages should have known he held the Triforce of Power, but they clearly did not.
True, true. But think about this: Maybe the Gerudo that were banished were the Gerudo that're related to Koume and Kotake(Twinrova). The Twinrova sisters seemed to have magic powers, and they were Gerudo. Just a thought...

[Chrono]

Back on page 1, Avenged stated that the Twili were actually the Gerudo. As you all know, the Gerudo is an all female tribe withe only one male born every 100 years. The only way that Avenged's theory could be true, is if the male Gerudo lived on well past that 100 years. If my memory serves correct, the Twili were all males after you brok the curse on them. Unless females run around with no shirts on regularly in Zelda games. I could be wrong, but I think they were males...

Midna did. And also, the Gerudo are known to live quite some time....When Link killed Twinrova, she was about 300 years old which explains why we see the same Ganon in all the Zelda games (aside from him having the Triforce of Power which im sure extends his life greatly). If you all recall, Twinrova was also said to be Ganondorf's 'mother' sort to speak. So we have seen good and bad with this race....Nabooru being one of the good, but she wasn't always good...she served Ganondorf well just like every other Gerudo.

Also, it was said in TP that Ganondorf was the true King of the Twilight and Zant's power was false. King of Gerudo...King of Twilight...hmmm

Edit - It is said that the banished tribe broke into the Sacred Realm (the golden land) to try and claim the Triforce and seize the realm. Now lets take a look at a quote from the ALttP manual....

"one day, quite by accident, a gate to the Golden Land of the Triforce was opened by a gang of thieves skilled in the black arts."

[RyanNope]

Ganondorf wasn't the true leader of the twili. Midna was the one with power thats how she shattered the mirror.

[Chrono]

Ofcourse he was, what happened when Ganondorf was defeated? Midna turned back to her true form.

[Mike Pothier]

True, true. But think about this: Maybe the Gerudo that were banished were the Gerudo that're related to Koume and Kotake(Twinrova). The Twinrova sisters seemed to have magic powers, and they were Gerudo. Just a thought...

I can see the Twili being RELATED to the Gerudo, just not the same Gerudo seen in OoT.


Ofcourse he was, what happened when Ganondorf was defeated? Midna turned back to her true form.

Huh? Ganondorf's power is different then the Twili's power, because of the Triforce of Power. That isn't proof he is leader.

[Chrono]

I can see the Twili being RELATED to the Gerudo, just not the same Gerudo seen in OoT.



Huh? Ganondorf's power is different then the Twili's power, because of the Triforce of Power. That isn't proof he is leader.

Play the battle with 'Ganon' again. He uses the power of the twilight to turn invisible. And as I said before Midna didnt turn back to her original form until Ganondorf was defeated, I think that says something.

[RyanNope]

Maybe what that implies is that Ganondorf used the power of the triforce to make midna an imp.

[Chrono]

Yeah I suppose it is possible, cuz I recall Zant saying the curse he placed on her by the magic of his god. But here is the winning quote that makes it more fact than theory to me that the Gerudo are the Twili. But still, we wont know for sure until a TP sequal or prequal releases.

Ganondorf : "Your people have long amused me, Midna. To defy the gods with such petty magic,
only to be cast aside... How very pathetic.
Pathetic as they were, though, THEY SERVED ME WELL. Their anguish was my
nourishment."

(Pretty much stating that Midnas people were also Ganondorfs followers, that being the Gerudo tribe. The Gerudo tribe has been stated to be an ancient tribe whom dwelled magic.)

Scene : [Ganon dissolves into twilight and uses Zelda's soulless body as his own]

Ganondorf : "Both of you, faithless fools who would dare to take up arms against the king of
light and shadow..." There you go...King of light and SHADOW.


MIDNA :
'Traitors, ha! You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes,
Zant.
All saw it, a lust for power burning in your pupils... Did you think we'd
forget our ancestors lost their king to such greed?"

Ok two key things here. The first and most obvious is "our ancestors lost their king to such greed"..comparing whoever this person was that attempted or may have in fact claimed the Triforce to Zant. This person more than likely being, Ganondorf. ALttP and OoT talk plenty of Ganondorfs greed for the sacred power known as the Triforce.

The second key thing here is...ancestors king. That could very well mean there wasnt a king of this tribe for quite some time since the last...my theory is this..'only one male Gerudo is born once every 100 years'. first King Gerudo being Ganondorf, but the second male Gerudo was Zant...he was seen as a King, but as Midna stated...he was a false idol.

Ok, the following quote, mainly towards the end pretty much says this. Zant was deinied such magic power that the King possesed,meaning he wasnt ever the true King of the Twilight. He believed he would be the next ruler of the tribe, but was denied and soon did he meet the true ruler known as Ganondorf.

Zant :
"You speak of magic? Still your tongue for a moment, whelp, and I will tell you
of both magic and the oppression of ages...
The people of our tribe...a tribe that mastered the arts of magic...were locked
away in this world like insects in a cage.
In the shadows we regressed, so much so that we soon knew neither anger nor
hatred...nor even the faintest bloom of desire.
And all of it was the fault of a useless, do-nothing royal family that had
resigned itself to this miserable half-existence!
I had served and endured in that depraved household for far too long, my
impudent princess.
And why, you ask? Because I believed I would be the next to rule our people!
THAT is why!
But would they acknowledge me as their king? No! And as such, I was denied the
magic powers befitting our ruler.
It was then, in the thrall of hatred and despair, that I turned my eyes to the
heavens...and found a god."

I would also like to point out that both Zant and Ganondorf always quote themselves saying something along the lines of helping or saving their people. Back when Ganondorf was the King of the Gerudo in OoT...he sought out for the triforce to not only rule Hyrule but too help the gerudo by giving them Hyrule itself pretty much...a selfish deed. Zant is doing the same...trying to take over Hyrule with the darkness of the twilight to give back the land. Heres another quote saying Ganondorf is the King of the Twilight.

Zant "This power is granted to me by my god! It is the magic of the King of Twilight,
and you WILL respect it!"

He says the power granted to him was from the magic of the King of Twilight (obviously being Ganondorf) Need I say more?

[RyanNope]

IF the gerudo are the twili then why were all of them locked up? why not just Ganondorf? This likely has alot to do with the split timeline theory.

[kris94]

I have asked myself the same question about that making a child thing

and, maybe they can get childrens whit other females,
it is another race so, who knows

[PrinceofDarkness]

There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

This is the conclusion I came to with Ganon imprisoned there race probably went extinct cuz he wasn't there to keep it goin'. I bet the gerudo probably live a long time and when the next male is born the previous one jus takes it easy and has a good retirement.

[TheManInTheMoon]

I haven't read everything here so sorry if it was already posted, but

They say that Gerudos sometimes
come to Hyrule Castle Town to
look for boyfriends.and FSA shows that they atleast lasted until around ALttP, but they're said to be nomads at that time, so they may have left hyrule.

[Chrono]

I'd just like to point out a few more quotes...

Midna speaking of her ancient people :
"What do you think happened to the magic wielders who tried to rule the Sacred
Realm?
They were banished. They were chased across the sacred lands of Hyrule and
driven into another realm by the goddesses."

Sages speaking of Ganondorf :
"He was the leader of a band of thieves who invaded Hyrule in the hopes of
establishing dominion over the Sacred Realm.
He was known as a demon thief, an evil-magic wielder renowned for his
ruthlessness...
But he was blind...
In all of his fury and might, he was blind to any danger, and thus was exposed,
subdued, and brought to justice."

Gerudo = Twili.

[TheManInTheMoon]

The banishment of the Twili took place during the "Prolonged Wars" referenced by TP
These wars took place soon after knowledge of the SR became known
OoT takes place awhile after this knowledge is known (seeing as how people know that the ToT connects there)
OoT likely references this war as the "Fierce War"
Therefore the Gerudo couldn't have been banished as the Twili, they are still around during OoT.


...But before seeking it, you must
now bear witness to something...
and never forget it.
You must know that it was the will
of the goddesses that we lock away
the forbidden power...
When all was chaos, the goddesses
descended and gave order and life
to the world.
They granted power equally to all
who dwelt in the light, and then
returned to the heavens.
The lands where the goddesses
descended came to be known as
the Sacred Realm.
For ages, the people lived at ease,
content in mind and body...
But soon, word of the Sacred Realm
spread through Hyrule, and a great
battle ensued...
Among those living in the light,
interlopers who excelled at magic
appeared.
Wielding powerful sorcery, they
tried to establish dominion over
the Sacred Realm.
It was then that the goddesses
ordered us three light spirits to
intervene.
We sealed away the great magic
those individuals had mastered.
You know this magic...
It is the dark power you seek...
the Fused Shadow.

[Chrono]

Ok, but according to 'A Link to the Past', Ganondorf actually got his hands on the Triforce in the very early ages. Below are quotes from the Imprisoning War.

"Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."

"This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil’s bane, or the Master Sword. It was so powerful that only one who was pure of heart and strong of body could wield it."

That states Ganondorf obtained the Triforce before the Master Sword was even forged.

"As the Seven Wise Men searched for a valiant person to take up the Master Sword, Ganon’s evil army swarmed from the tainted Golden Land into Hyrule and attacked the castle. The wise men and the Knights of Hyrule combined forces to wage war on this evil horde."

and...


"They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god."

-Gossip Stone
Ocarina of Time - This reminds me a certain Twili named Zant.

[zeypherlink]

"Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."

"This mighty weapon became known as the blade of evil’s bane, or the Master Sword. It was so powerful that only one who was pure of heart and strong of body could wield it."
That sounds like a major plot hole on Nintendo's part. It's basically saying they knew about Ganondorf so they made the Master Sword...but Ganondorf wasn't around for them to know about him.

...Made sense in my head...not sure if I worded it properly.

[TheManInTheMoon]

"Suspecting that Ganon’s power was based on the Triforce’s magic, the people of Hyrule forged a sword resistant to magic which could repulse even powers granted by the Triforce."NoA misstranlation, the correctly translated version reads something like

"However, it could not be assumed that only a good person would get their hands on the Triforce.For that reason, the people of Hyrule were told by the gods to make something that would repulse any evil that may kidnap the Triforce: the blade of evil's bane.It was called the Master Sword, and it is said that only a true hero could use it."

As you can see, no mention of Ganon

the '92 alttp manual can't be trusted, NoA took many liberties with the translation

[Chrono]

I suppose since each Zelda game does have its regional differences. But as of now, all I have are theories, thats atleast until the next Zelda releases.

[TheManInTheMoon]

I suppose since each Zelda game does have its regional differences. But as of now, all I have are theories, thats atleast until the next Zelda releases.
Here's where I found that (http://www.zeldalegends.net/files/text/z3translation/z3_manual_story.html)

and here's a large collection of resources useful for theorizing (http://www.vgrc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2656)

[Chrono]

Nice collection of resources there, Im hoping to have a quite larger collection soon myself for ZC. Trust me, Im always reading and re-reading past articles, interviews, etc to find any extra facts that can connect theories. Like recently, I was reading on a few quotes and articles almost saying this...

Ocarina of Time > Majoras Mask > Twilight Princess > A Link to the Past > Links Awakening > The Wind Waker > Phantom Hourglass > The Legend of Zelda > The Adventure of Link...and Im still clueless on the Oracles. Yep, no split whatssoever. I dont fully believe this, although I do believe ALttP is after TP and is set in the same Hyrule.

[Shadow Goris]

I dont fully believe this, although I do believe ALttP is after TP and is set in the same Hyrule.

I agree that alttp is set in the same hyrule as TP because the master sword is in the ruin of the temple of time. Though there are some doubts...

[Mases]

I found a little tidbit on Telma as I was writing a character guide for Twilight Princess.

Telma seems to greatly resemble many of the Gerudo from previous games based on the color of her skin and other physical attributes. To a much lesser extent, Renado also has this type of physical attributes. (Although since Renado is a male, it's hard to believe that he could possibly be a Gerudo).

Perhaps portions of the Gerudo race simply integrated with the Hylian race of castle town. Which could explain why there are no Gerudo's in Twilight Princess (at least from their classic form).

[Chrono]

Mases, we already went over this in an earlier discussion here and I believe we came to the conclusion that she is hylian.

[Ganondorf11365]

There's a lot still to be discovered about the Gerudo.Most of it is pretty weird.But maybe some answers will be revealed in upcoming Zelda Games?

[DarkLink]

When it comes to the reproducing part, it's probable that they do that with Hylian men. What do you think they were gonna do with those carpenters? Hmm. ;)

[Chrono]

The carpenters wanted to join their band of thieves, but got imprisoned instead. As for reproducing plenty of hints are found in game. One for instance is Twinrova which is said to be Ganondorfs mother. Another is from the gossip stone that mentions Gerudo women sometimes come to the village to look for men.

[Twilight warrior]

The carpenters wanted to join their band of thieves, but got imprisoned instead. As for reproducing plenty of hints are found in game. One for instance is Twinrova which is said to be Ganondorfs mother. Another is from the gossip stone that mentions Gerudo women sometimes come to the village to look for men.Actually one of the guys in the castle town on OoT say that the Gerudos come to look for men. And I don't remember a gossip stone saying that. But I did think that Zauz did kinda look like Ganondorf but he also said that his tribe served the Ocean King so I don't think that Zauz has any relation with the Gerudos becuase the Gerudos (except in Four Swords Adventures) Have pretty much been kinda evil.

[Inflexus]

What if the gerudo male died out before the 100 years were up? The entire race would go extinct, right?

That would kill off the Gerudo race in no time, especially if Ganondorf failed.

[Mases]

Nope, not necessarily. It seems the Gerudo tribe isn't necessarily a pure breed. Meaning, the Gerudo women often times go to Hyrule Castle Town in search of men... assuming that the purpose of this is to make love and get pregnant to keep the race going.

Perhaps this could relate to why the Gerudo have slowly merged into Hylian society. If each generation of the Gerudo involve a mother being Gerudo and a father being Hylian, the race would slowly evolve into a mixed race.

Perhaps in Twilight Princess, and characters like Telma in particular, perhaps they are part Gerudo so to speak. With some of her ancestry being native Gerudo while the other half being Hylian.

[Inflexus]

Nope, not necessarily. It seems the Gerudo tribe isn't necessarily a pure breed. Meaning, the Gerudo women often times go to Hyrule Castle Town in search of men... assuming that the purpose of this is to make love and get pregnant to keep the race going.

Perhaps this could relate to why the Gerudo have slowly merged into Hylian society. If each generation of the Gerudo involve a mother being Gerudo and a father being Hylian, the race would slowly evolve into a mixed race.

Perhaps in Twilight Princess, and characters like Telma in particular, perhaps they are part Gerudo so to speak. With some of her ancestry being native Gerudo while the other half being Hylian.

TP had a rather large emphasis on the Gerudo being completely extinct though, and I thought the Gerudo heading into the castle town was only mentioned in Ocarina of Time, so it wouldn't really add up, would it?

Of course, I believe the games logically are not connected at all, so it would make sense if the exact definition of "gerudo" or "hylian" was mixed up between games.

Even so, people who are half of any one race tend to have that pointed out, like demi-gods or half-elves or something.

[Triforcekid]

I somehow think that the shiekah might be conected to gerudos because in
wind waker in forsaken fortress when you make it to the top there is a modified shiekah symbol http://Sheikah_TWW.jpg
at first i wasn't sure how i would make the conection but in ALttP Agahnim has a very similar eye symbol on his shirt http://www.zeldawiki.org/Eye_symbol I think that maby in the Zelda "world" that in the early times the shiekah may have been allies with the gerudos but the gerudos were eventually corrupted and betrayed the shiekah. As punishment they were probably banished and in anger tried to overthrow hyrule and were banished to the twilight realm for assisting Ganondorf.

gerudo=twili

P.S. please stop saying telma is a gerudo her red eyes obviously indicate she is a Shiekah descendant. Madame Fanadi is also a Shiekah I don't know how that applies tho



EDIT: Im sorry in that last post one of my links didn't work however in the 2nd link it has TWW skiekah symbol further down the page




One thing i forgot to mention is i can translate modern hylian (TP) and in the hidden village on of the signs says "welcome to old Kakariko" and impaz says she was named after the founder of the village (who i believe is Impa) she also had in her posetion the statue that brought back ilia's memory which had the sheikah eye on top. I believe the hidden village is kakariko village in OoT. This is a lot of stuff but my point is, in all we have the temple of time, a hidden village called old kakriko, and a descendant of a shiekah.
With all these things it can only meen that TP takes place in the same hyrule that is in ocarina of time before the great flood (WW)

i have one more question
i had never heard of the trident of power thing you were talking about if you fight the final boss in ALttP ganon has a trident is it somehow conected

[Blaine]

*cracks knuckles* Alrighty then, I read through this whole topic, and I'm itching to throw in some input.

I'll take care of the easiest thing first. The question of how Gerudo reproduce/survive throughout the years. The answer is pretty simple. As a few of you have pointed out, one of the Gossip Stones from OoT lays bare the fact the Gerudo often go to Hyrule to look for boyfriends. Thus, Gerudo usually mate with Hylians or "Humans." HOWEVER, they do not have half-breed children. I can't say why, but either by some magic in the Gerudo blood, or else just through a genetic trait, when a Gerudo has a child, the father's genes, at least most of them, are overridden by the Gerudo blood. Now, that same magic prevents males from being born except for every 100 years. Make sense?

Here I will address some of the arguments for the Gerudo being the Twili. First and foremost, the Twili were banished to the Twilight Realm long before Ganondorf. Not only is this evidenced by what Link is told regarding the Twili, but the fact that they had eventually adapted to the realm, and Ganondorf had not by the time he came upon Zant.

Thus, it's reasonable to assume to assume they were banished before the events of OoT (split time theory or not, it makes no difference). Aside from that, the Gerudo are not a people of magic. True, Ganondorf and Twinrova had vast magical prowess, but the average Gerudo showed no sign of these talents, whereas the "interlopers" were said to be more or less exclusively magical.

In reference to tagging the Gerudo as the thieves mentioned in the backstory to ALttP, Ganondorf killed those thieves. If they were Gerudo, I doubt he would have done so, since they would be his own people, and very loyal to him. Although I will say it is a tempting possibility that in OoT he killed some Gerudo companions before following Link into the Sacred Realm.

Lastly, for now, I will point out that Telma could not be a Gerudo, on account of her pointed ears. Neither could the man in Kakariko, since he does not have red hair. I've read in places that it is possible he could be of Sheikah descent, but that's just speculation.

I probably overlooked one or two arguments, but since I'm just coming into an 8 page topic, this will have to suffice for a start.

[blackice_cc]

Here I will address some of the arguments for the Gerudo being the Twili. First and foremost, the Twili were banished to the Twilight Realm long before Ganondorf. Not only is this evidenced by what Link is told regarding the Twili, but the fact that they had eventually adapted to the realm, and Ganondorf had not by the time he came upon Zant.

Wait a minute here. Couldn't Ganondorf have been banished long after the Gerudo were supposedly banished to the Twilight realm? We have proof that Ganondorf is immortal, so it's possible that Ganondorf went into hiding or something for quite a while after the Gerudo were banished, and was only captured when he tried to attack again maybe. Also, we have no proof that the Twili were already adapted to their new home by the time Ganondorf got there, because since Ganondorf had such power, he could probably retain his normal shape and complexion. And anyways, the only time we saw him in the Twilight realm was as a huge, weird, flaming head, or whatever you call that.

[Blaine]

Right. What I meant by him not adapting was that all he could thus far conjur himself up as was a big flame head thing. Whereas the Twili had had a plenty long time to adjust, and take proper shape in the Twilight Realm.

And yes, while it is possible that 100 years could be enough time for the Gerudo to be banished and then adapt, in looking at the dialogue from the light serpent, or really anywhere, it suggests that the Twili had been there for an even greater amount of time.

There's also the fact that the Gerudo can't breed all by themselves, so they would have died out pretty quick isolated in the Twilight Realm, unless you think that there people live for longer/forever. But even then, it doesn't explain how Zant, or any other male Twili would have come into being, and it's suggested that there have been other males.

To the argument of Ganondorf being called the King of Twilight, I'm pretty sure Zant was the only one who called him that. And it's reasonable to assume he would call him the King of anything, simply because he had incredible power, and the ability to take over the Twilight Realm, along with Hyrule. I very much doubt Zant knew much of anything about Ganondorf, aside from the fact he had immense power, so calling him the King of Twilight out of some natural right seems unlikely.

[Vincent]

Wait a minute here. Couldn't Ganondorf have been banished long after the Gerudo were supposedly banished to the Twilight realm?

That scene where they stab him and send him to the Twilight Realm, I always thought that took place in the timeline where Link was sent back in time by Zelda. After him and Zelda informed everyone of Ganon's plans.

[blackice_cc]

That scene where they stab him and send him to the Twilight Realm, I always thought that took place in the timeline where Link was sent back in time by Zelda. After him and Zelda informed everyone of Ganon's plans.

Yeah, but the question is, how long did it take them to find Ganondorf? It could have taken years, because he was a magic user, and could have defeated most people sent to search for him.

[Mike Pothier]

The comments Ganondorf makes at the end of Twilight Princess, calling the Twili "pathetic" seemed to indicate strongly to me that he was not related to them in any way. He seemed aware of their existence, but only in passing until he was banished to the same place.

Keep in mind, also, that the Sages had no knowledge of Ganon's possession of the Triforce of Power, even shocked by it. That would be a strange reaction if his imprisonment took place long after OoT, when Zelda and Link's possession of the other pieces would be known.

[Chris]

Mases, you raise a very good point. How do the Gerudo reproduce? Though, they may have be granted eternal life by ganondorf. That explains why link doesn't kill them when he slashes them in Majora's Mask.

[waldo12]

personally i have a hard time believing that gerudo and twili are the same now sure there are some connections but there gerudo are not magical only ganon and the witches, plus in the twili zone there are many guy twili not just woman. and the gerudo if u all remember the is only one gerudo every 100 years plus in tp none of the twili new about him im pretty sure they would.

[Skull_Kid]

They have intercourse with other races, such as the Hylians, it's the only explanation

[Zemen]

the gerudo women have sex with men from the nearby towns. they get pregnant and have children. every one hundred years they have a male who leads them. i dont understand why people find that so difficult to believe. of course that would never happen in real life but its a videogame.

as for the twili being the Gerudo, even though it is not bluntly said, it is very possible. lots of evidence points straight to that idea.

the only other explanation is that somewhere along the way the Gerudo died out and the reason Zant has the Gerudo symbol on his armor is because he serves a Gerudo (Ganondorf).

also, the Midna does not really look like a Gerudo so whoever said that is kind of wrong. thats a big stretch to say that Midna looks like a Gerudo..

the only problem with the twili being Gerudo theory is that the Gerudo hated Ganondorf so why would they be banished with him if they didnt really worship or follow him?

[Diligo]

I have read this up and down, ALL the comments. I do believe that the Gerudo are in fact the Twili. To much evidence is pointed towards that. I'm sure Nintendo made it clear, but as us Zelda fans are we analyze to much based off of past links. Mind you every Zelda game is linked in some way but have the major individuality. There are plenty of loops holes I assure you, if Nintendo tried to base all the games off of each other then that would constrict their creativity. They said it themselves, also the time line has proved to be flawed.
Enough about that lets shed some light on the subject, Avenged did an awesome job in doing so I couldn't have done better myself.
First off as many have pointed out, the Gerudo don't rely on one male alone to sustain their whole race. The Gossip Stone and several NPC's have made that clear that they look for boyfriends. As we all know the Gerudo don't like men so I assume they wouldn't want to build a life commitment with one. In other words USE them and abuse them, for them that's all they're worth.
As someone stated and a good point at that about the male to female ratio in the twili realm. Well as said good point, but as another said this event takes 100's of years prior giving ample opportunity for many or so men to be born. But there are many ways of figuring this out, or different theories to plug this in. One could have been that some of the Gerudo were pregnant when they entered, or there could have very well have been a race there before then and the emerged with them. Or there could have been a mix among the race as they were banished. All can easily fit in nicely and be plausible but we may not know.
To go with these maternal theories with the Gerudo giving birth, and what not. Here is food for thought. There is a rumor based off of what was said in OOT. About Malon's mom when you wear the Gerudo mask in front of Talon. He was more than delighted to say the mask resembled his wife. It could have mean one of many things, the red hair, it was a female mask and he misses his wife, or he said that and quickly regretted it trying to take it back due to the fact no one in Hyrule like the Gerudo's and he didn't want anyone to know he was tied to a dangerous thief (I'm sure plenty of men were). The point I'm trying to make is that if this theory is true than Gerudo's didn't give birth to all females or look alikes at that. They probably had a strict code in which stated rules and regulations in how a Gerudo should be part of the tribe, assuming appearance being on of them.
Also another thing I want to add is no one stated when the banishment actually took place. We know it was a long time ago, we don't know when. Gerudo could have been banished right before or after Ganondorf was supposedly executed. When you watch the execution clip. Noticed how everything is in place the mirror is up and the giant rock. The Mirror is a powerful artifact something that shouldn't be out in the opening like.
Also think about it the Gerudo had a thing with mirrors. In the spirit temple the whole thing was riddled with mirrors. In fact that is the only way to get through the temple is to use a mirror including your sheild.
Besides all that and the other little tidbits that were added with the other comments. Let's look at some other things, the fact that the Arbitor's Grounds could very well be the Spirit Temple due to the sand and the lady with the snake plastered everywhere.

Here is something else I would like to add, some of you said about the loyalty the Gerudo's had with Ganondorf when in fact they had a huge loyalty, with the exception of Nabooru. Not only that but a lot of them were often brainwashed but Ganondorf, Kotume and Kotake. As well it was the only army Ganondorf had to his disposal, that and the fact this takes place after OOT which OOT is the beginning of the time line.
Mind you, Midna might as well be a Gerudo she does in fact resemble one. The the eyes, the long thin neck, slender waist, orange hair, aquiline nose, though it may not protruded as the Gerudo depicted in OOT did. Put into consideration that the character design has changed in the transition of TP.
And to what Ganondorf said to Midna about "Her People" think about it you can no longer associate yourself with something your no longer tied to. My Great, great, grandfather was from Germany, that doesn't make me German now does it. ;)

[Zemen]

My Great, great, grandfather was from Germany, that doesn't make me German now does it. ;)

if you are blood related to him then yes you are german, just not 100 percent german so that was kind of a dumb question.

[zeldusfanaticus]

the gerudo disapear after ganon's imprisonment. the race probably got pushed out of hyrule because of no leader and the whole guilt by association

[Zemen]

i would also like to state that Twilight Princess is in the child timeline which means that none of Ganondorfs actions in OoT happened because they stoppped him before he could do anything. based on that, the Gerudo never got involved because Ganondorf never did anything so in order for this theory to be correct, there would have to be some story inbetween OoT and Twilight Princess that would explain why the Gerudos were banished, because they never do anything bad in the child timeline that we know of.

[Diligo]

if you are blood related to him then yes you are german, just not 100 percent german so that was kind of a dumb question.

No, no it doesn't I'm not German. You have to put in the consideration of my other sides of the family, plus a whole entire generation in between. I am something completely different, I'm American, I'm a Hinze 57. Just like if the Gerudo are the Twili. That and it's been 100 or more years there not closely blood related not even close maybe descendants but that would have been 100's of years. They are a completely different race now, is what I was implying.


i would also like to state that Twilight Princess is in the child timeline which means that none of Ganondorfs actions in OoT happened because they stoppped him before he could do anything. based on that, the Gerudo never got involved because Ganondorf never did anything so in order for this theory to be correct, there would have to be some story inbetween OoT and Twilight Princess that would explain why the Gerudos were banished, because they never do anything bad in the child timeline that we know of.

I'm well aware of that but despite there where part of his army. Avenged better explains it in previous comments. One bad crops spoils it all, Hyrule really never liked the Gerudos so to do away with one then to all.
What your saying is that NONE of them did anything yet, which means they wouldn't/shouldn't be banished, right? But to say that would mean they has no right to execute Ganondorf and they did. They were well aware what was to happen so I'm sure they did away with all, however you believe they did it, as you stated. Your statement contradicts over the other.
I'm sure they got rid of both one way or the other how ever you choose to believe.


the gerudo disapear after ganon's imprisonment. the race probably got pushed out of hyrule because of no leader and the whole guilt by association

Plausable, but to many coincidences and evidence leaves me to believe otherwise.

[Zemen]

they DID have a right to execute Ganondorf though. if you remember, he had already met the Gorons, Zoras, and Deku Tree to try and take there respective gems by force before he even went to the castle to "pledge his allegiance" to the king. therefor, if Link goes back in time and tells the king of Ganondorfs plans, all the king has to do is ask the Goron and Zoras (but not the tree cus hes dead) if Ganondorf really threatened them and then they would know Links story is true. so they definitely had a reason to condemn Ganondorf, but they had no reason to condemn his whole race. there was nothing in any of the games that said Hylians didnt like the Gerudo. sure they are a bunch of thieves, but as seen in OoT, they are not evil like Ganondorf. and also, if the Gerudo were very loyal to Ganondorf, and if they were his army, then they would know of his plans and im sure he would tell them everything, which means they would know about Link so why wouldnt they just kill Link on the spot when he is Gerudo Valley and why do they allow Link to join their tribe? its because they really arent loyal to Ganondorf and arent evil like him. he wants ultimate power and they just want to be thieves. Ganondorfs army is all of the monsters in the world. they are HIS monsters hence they are HIS army. based on all of these FACTS, it appears more likely that the Gerudo are not the twilight.

im not saying they arent the twilight but no one has a good enough reason as to why they are. it would make sense but they would need to make a game inbetween OoT and TP to make it MUCH more clear than the previous reasons shown because i just abolished those reasons stated before.

[Diligo]

they DID have a right to execute Ganondorf though. if you remember, he had already met the Gorons, Zoras, and Deku Tree to try and take there respective gems by force before he even went to the castle to "pledge his allegiance" to the king. therefor, if Link goes back in time and tells the king of Ganondorfs plans, all the king has to do is ask the Goron and Zoras (but not the tree cus hes dead) if Ganondorf really threatened them and then they would know Links story is true. so they definitely had a reason to condemn Ganondorf, but they had no reason to condemn his whole race. there was nothing in any of the games that said Hylians didnt like the Gerudo. sure they are a bunch of thieves, but as seen in OoT, they are not evil like Ganondorf. and also, if the Gerudo were very loyal to Ganondorf, and if they were his army, then they would know of his plans and im sure he would tell them everything, which means they would know about Link so why wouldnt they just kill Link on the spot when he is Gerudo Valley and why do they allow Link to join their tribe? its because they really arent loyal to Ganondorf and arent evil like him. he wants ultimate power and they just want to be thieves. Ganondorfs army is all of the monsters in the world. they are HIS monsters hence they are HIS army. based on all of these FACTS, it appears more likely that the Gerudo are not the twilight.

im not saying they arent the twilight but no one has a good enough reason as to why they are. it would make sense but they would need to make a game inbetween OoT and TP to make it MUCH more clear than the previous reasons shown because i just abolished those reasons stated before.

Have you played WW?
It says that they were oppressed and banished to the Desert where they suffered. With no food, water, the scorching temperature during the day, the freezing nights, and the constant winds which Ganondorf referred to bringing death. They had to steal for sustenance to live. Hyrulians put them there because feared them. They came over from somewhere, if I read correctly (from another source). They helped Hyrule in a War before Ganondorf, Link, Zelda, or anyone. In a time period before OOT, a game hasn't been made yet but I'm sure there will be. But any who they feared them so they cast them into the desert. Where they became thieves and the dirge of Hyrule, no one liked them.
I'm sure if they wanted to rid of them they would find away. If Ganondorf being a reason I'm sure they would go with it. I mean he is their King, the Great Ganondorf, where they sacrifice lives, and worship him as God.

But your right they do need more evidence, as stated before we as Zelda fans tend over analyze things. We are only going to make things more complicated, unless they throw something out their less subliminal and more tangible. Hopefully they might add something to this upcoming game to help with one of our theories (or cause us to make more), it should gladly put this in the grave once and for all. ^^

[Alder Dragon]

An interesting thing to point out is that the geldman from LttP (the sand-guys in the desert near the 2nd castle) were called (pretty much) gerudo-men in the Japanese version. See the connection?

[Diligo]

An interesting thing to point out is that the geldman from LttP (the sand-guys in the desert near the 2nd castle) were called (pretty much) gerudo-men in the Japanese version. See the connection?

So your saying the Gerudo turned into sand creatures?
I think there maybe an evolving niche but I don't think it's with the actual Gerudos. There have been creatures in the desert for a long time and assuming slowly but surely finding their niche or evolving in other words. If not evolving they found their home there.
The sand worm things in TP had the same name or similar, I don't think the Gerudos are sand worms.
Personally I don't even think they gained their title till after their banishment to the desert.

[Alder Dragon]

So your saying the Gerudo turned into sand creatures?
I think there maybe an evolving niche but I don't think it's with the actual Gerudos. There have been creatures in the desert for a long time and assuming slowly but surely finding their niche or evolving in other words. If not evolving they found their home there.
The sand worm things in TP had the same name or similar, I don't think the Gerudos are sand worms.
Personally I don't even think they gained their title till after their banishment to the desert.

Oh no, I'm not implying that :P.

I'm just pointing out the interesting fact that the term "gerudo" has been used to describe these desert creatures, let alone far back in 1991 in LttP.

[Diligo]

Oh no, I'm not implying that :P.

I'm just pointing out the interesting fact that the term "gerudo" has been used to describe these desert creatures, let alone far back in 1991 in LttP.

Oh yeah! Well Nintendo likes to recycle.
:lol:

[Chrono]

Hmm, cool this thread is still alive. I still stick by my original theory. I suggest anyone who hasnt read through it, should.

[Zemen]

Have you played WW?
It says that they were oppressed and banished to the Desert where they suffered. With no food, water, the scorching temperature during the day, the freezing nights, and the constant winds which Ganondorf referred to bringing death. They had to steal for sustenance to live. Hyrulians put them there because feared them. They came over from somewhere, if I read correctly (from another source). They helped Hyrule in a War before Ganondorf, Link, Zelda, or anyone. In a time period before OOT, a game hasn't been made yet but I'm sure there will be. But any who they feared them so they cast them into the desert. Where they became thieves and the dirge of Hyrule, no one liked them.
I'm sure if they wanted to rid of them they would find away. If Ganondorf being a reason I'm sure they would go with it. I mean he is their King, the Great Ganondorf, where they sacrifice lives, and worship him as God.

But your right they do need more evidence, as stated before we as Zelda fans tend over analyze things. We are only going to make things more complicated, unless they throw something out their less subliminal and more tangible. Hopefully they might add something to this upcoming game to help with one of our theories (or cause us to make more), it should gladly put this in the grave once and for all. ^^


just because they feared the Gerudo doesnt mean they would go to such extreme lengths to banish a race that truly didnt deserve it, and you said that the Gerudo helped Hyrule, so why would Hyrule fear people and banish people that have helped them before. if they fear them then i understand banishing them to further land, but it would be SUPER retarded to banish them to a different demension just out of fear. that would make the royal family seem very iffy and i think the point of the royal family is that they are kind rulers and everyone loves them.

[Diligo]

just because they feared the Gerudo doesnt mean they would go to such extreme lengths to banish a race that truly didnt deserve it, and you said that the Gerudo helped Hyrule, so why would Hyrule fear people and banish people that have helped them before. if they fear them then i understand banishing them to further land, but it would be SUPER retarded to banish them to a different demension just out of fear. that would make the royal family seem very iffy and i think the point of the royal family is that they are kind rulers and everyone loves them.

It may seem "SUPER RETARDED"...
But hey, they did it to the Sheikah too (back stabbed them). The Gerudo are powerful and more skilled than Hylians. I'm sure with no reason to banish them to a further land, giving a reason say their king whom went bat s**t crazy, as well as whom they followed, gives them what they find as an explicit reason for banishment or sentence to death (which those who was sentenced to death were banished into the Twilight realm, excluding Ganondorf due unforeseen events) I'm sure they would go with it.
Gerudo and the Twili often exclaim the Royal family as lazy, incompetent, do-nothings. Let's face it not everyone loved them and they didn't love everyone. The royal family has done it's share to plenty out of fear WW is a perfect example. He flooded the old kingdom to keep Ganondorf from ever trying to take it over again, and previous to that he had it flooded due to the threat Ganondorf had already put on it. There could have been many ways to handle that and the Royal didn't see it that way. They do tons of unnecessary things out of fear, that's how they work.
Plus I figured you already read this but I will bring it up again, in the game the Sages and Auru stated the Ganondorf lead a group of thieves into Hyrule to dominate over the Sacred Realm those who followed Ganondorf were sentenced to death, and those sentenced to death were banished to another Realm.

[Zemen]

It may seem "SUPER RETARDED"...
But hey, they did it to the Sheikah too (back stabbed them). The Gerudo are powerful and more skilled than Hylians. I'm sure with no reason to banish them to a further land, giving a reason say their king whom went bat s**t crazy, as well as whom they followed, gives them what they find as an explicit reason for banishment or sentence to death (which those who was sentenced to death were banished into the Twilight realm, excluding Ganondorf due unforeseen events) I'm sure they would go with it.
Gerudo and the Twili often exclaim the Royal family as lazy, incompetent, do-nothings. Let's face it not everyone loved them and they didn't love everyone. The royal family has done it's share to plenty out of fear WW is a perfect example. He flooded the old kingdom to keep Ganondorf from ever trying to take it over again, and previous to that he had it flooded due to the threat Ganondorf had already put on it. There could have been many ways to handle that and the Royal didn't see it that way. They do tons of unnecessary things out of fear, that's how they work.
Plus I figured you already read this but I will bring it up again, in the game the Sages and Auru stated the Ganondorf lead a group of thieves into Hyrule to dominate over the Sacred Realm those who followed Ganondorf were sentenced to death, and those sentenced to death were banished to another Realm.

thats all good and well except the royal family didnt flood hyrule to stop ganondorf, the godesses did. and as i said before, TP is on the child timeline which means that the events of OoT never really happened in that timeline which means that they captured ganondorf because Link told them his adventure and part of his adventure consists of a Gerudo who HATES ganondorf helping Link get power to defeat him.

[Diligo]

thats all good and well except the royal family didnt flood hyrule to stop ganondorf, the godesses did. and as i said before, TP is on the child timeline which means that the events of OoT never really happened in that timeline which means that they captured ganondorf because Link told them his adventure and part of his adventure consists of a Gerudo who HATES ganondorf helping Link get power to defeat him.

Your pretty much stating the same thing over. Besides I'm not going to argue with what the game said. It stated it clearly if everyone else doesn't want to believe it that's fine with me.
Your right, the goddesses did cause the flooding but who was the one who called to the goddesses to do in the first place, twice? Which was as well stated in the game.
Besides Nabooru being the only one who detested him, the rest worshiped him as a god. As you said yourself, this consists on the child time line so as far as Link helping Nabooru goes, it never happened. Also keep in mind she is unimportant because the events that were supposed to happened got thwarted, the sages never awoken in the bodies of the characters. They came to be as spirit like beings. She was never awoken as a sage so she remained unimportant.
For all you know, and this is just pulling something out of the air, Nabooru could be the descendant of Midna, or Telma (I think Telma is a Hyrulian) because Midna detested Ganondorf as well. But no evidence stands behind it as a fact, so it a shaky theory.
What I'm trying to imply, that theory may be total fanfic, I don't know. But you can conclude a theory by how one character feels with no evidence to stand behind it.

[Zemen]

Your pretty much stating the same thing over. Besides I'm not going to argue with what the game said. It stated it clearly if everyone else doesn't want to believe it that's fine with me.
Your right, the goddesses did cause the flooding but who was the one who called to the goddesses to do in the first place, twice? Which was as well stated in the game.
Besides Nabooru being the only one who detested him, the rest worshiped him as a god. As you said yourself, this consists on the child time line so as far as Link helping Nabooru goes, it never happened. Also keep in mind she is unimportant because the events that were supposed to happened got thwarted, the sages never awoken in the bodies of the characters. They came to be as spirit like beings. She was never awoken as a sage so she remained unimportant.
For all you know, and this is just pulling something out of the air, Nabooru could be the descendant of Midna, or Telma (I think Telma is a Hyrulian) because Midna detested Ganondorf as well. But no evidence stands behind it as a fact, so it a shaky theory.
What I'm trying to imply, that theory may be total fanfic, I don't know. But you can conclude a theory by how one character feels with no evidence to stand behind it.

just because the events of OoT never took place in the timeline theory doesnt change how nabooru would feel about Ganondorf and my point still remains that the Gerudo only attacked Link in the game to see if he was worthy to be apart of them. i have absolutely no relocollection of any of them saying how much they loved Ganondorf so give me some ingame proof of any of them saying that with a video to go with it and i will stop repeating myself, because you are saying i have no solid backup but neither do you. everything in this is just a theory. someone set up a theory and you cant get upset when someone tries to knock it down. whether or not the Hylians asked the godesses to flood Hyrule doesnt matter. obviously the godesses thought it was necessary and im sure they wouldnt be as "childish" to just flood the world because the hylians are scared. the royal family was scared because Ganondorf had already tried to take over their land, so when he returns, obviously they are gonna do what they can to stop him. the Gerudo never did this, infact they helped the Hylians so i think that absolutely no theory can really be made until a game comes along and clearly explains this so stop getting your panties in a bunch.

[Diligo]

just because the events of OoT never took place in the timeline theory doesnt change how nabooru would feel about Ganondorf and my point still remains that the Gerudo only attacked Link in the game to see if he was worthy to be apart of them. i have absolutely no relocollection of any of them saying how much they loved Ganondorf so give me some ingame proof of any of them saying that with a video to go with it and i will stop repeating myself, because you are saying i have no solid backup but neither do you. everything in this is just a theory. someone set up a theory and you cant get upset when someone tries to knock it down. whether or not the Hylians asked the godesses to flood Hyrule doesnt matter. obviously the godesses thought it was necessary and im sure they wouldnt be as "childish" to just flood the world because the hylians are scared. the royal family was scared because Ganondorf had already tried to take over their land, so when he returns, obviously they are gonna do what they can to stop him. the Gerudo never did this, infact they helped the Hylians so i think that absolutely no theory can really be made until a game comes along and clearly explains this so stop getting your panties in a bunch.

My commentary was meant to stay neutral I haven't portrayed any since of emotion at this, whole time I have been rather happy and have enjoyed this healthy debate. You and I have kept it pretty clean and I do appreciate that ^^.
Any how at the matter at hand, so yeah Nabooru doesn't like Ganondorf, but she as single person doesn't make up a whole tribe. They attacked Link because he was a man and they did the same to the carpenters. Had nothing to do with help I think that is the last thing they wanted to do.
As for videos to my evidence I'm not sure I can provided but I can provide some in game quotes or close to in game as I'm going to get:

"They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god." -Gossip Stone in Dodongo’s Cavern.

"...the great Ganondorf... King of the Gerudo Thieves." -leader of the Gerudo Fortress

"...our laws say that lone male Gerudo must become King of the Gerudo..." -Nabooru

"He came on his own to offer himself as a sacrifice to the great Ganondorf..." -Twinrova

So yes, indeed, Ganondorf is the King of the Gerudo; and they do worship him as a god, and maybe even offer sacrifices to him.

As far as helping Link this doesn't seem likely:

"...they locked us up like this just because we're men!" -Ichiro

"I used to think that all men, besides the great Ganondorf, were useless..." -leader of the Gerudo fortress.

So, they worship their king, respect each other according to rank and ability, and hate pretty much hate everyone else. (Some of this quoted from a good friend of mine on a similar forum)
As for the video goes I'm sure there is one but you can just play OOT, ;) .

I know that this is all theory, but you have to have something sturdy to either keep a theory alive or to disprove one. I would never stick to this theory if I didn't have some sort of solid proof. I believe you do to, you have been awesome at trying to find ways of disproving my theory and looking for evidence, so I at no means did I mean to bash you in any way. I guess you could say I'm giving you tips, if you really want to put it that way.

As for the flood thing, I'm sure there are many ways to keep a fiend from taking your kingdom. I can truly understand the first flood, but when the King of Red Lions touched the Triforce I'm sure he could have wished for something a little less drastic. Which leaves me to believe it was out of fear seeing how they have done just as bad or less in the past because of that same reason, fear.

Yes, the Gerudo's did in fact help them in the beginning but Hyrule betrayed them, if I'm correct I think it also was stated in either OoX (oracles of Ages/Seasons, one of them) or four swords.

I agree, I have before, and I still do. But right now everyone is going by what little evidence we have, most of it being subliminal. Besides to be truthfully honest I don't think we will ever put this in the grave. Even when this next Zelda comes out and gives/doesn't give any evidence people will still debate this. You would be surprised as to what solved answers still go debated. Now for me if something came up other wise then I wouldn't bother. But these thread thrive based on the opposite and if I stop doesn't mean someone else will.
As stated before I have remained calm this whole time. My commentary was meant to be read neutrally, I don't think it is I who is getting upset ;)

[Midna666]

I don't think that the Twili are the Gerudo.
In TP Ganon called the Twili pathetic
We see in WW,that Ganon kind of cared about his people.
We see that when he talks about there suffering.
Now if the Twili and the Gerudo are the same,would Ganon call his own people pathetic?

[Kitsu]

Perhaps he called his people pathetic for the metamorphosis they under went, and perhaps becoming a weaker race. Therefore he calls them pathetic because he is angry at what they become.

Just a thought...

[Chrono]

I don't think that the Twili are the Gerudo.
In TP Ganon called the Twili pathetic
We see in WW,that Ganon kind of cared about his people.
We see that when he talks about there suffering.
Now if the Twili and the Gerudo are the same,would Ganon call his own people pathetic?

Yes and also called their magic old and outdated and whatnot, due to him having the Triforce of Power. His race pretty much turned against him at the end of OoT.

[Midna666]

Yes and also called their magic old and outdated and whatnot, due to him having the Triforce of Power. His race pretty much turned against him at the end of OoT.

But TP takes place in the child time.
So the Gerudo turned against him in both timeline.

[Zemen]

My commentary was meant to stay neutral I haven't portrayed any since of emotion at this, whole time I have been rather happy and have enjoyed this healthy debate. You and I have kept it pretty clean and I do appreciate that ^^.
Any how at the matter at hand, so yeah Nabooru doesn't like Ganondorf, but she as single person doesn't make up a whole tribe. They attacked Link because he was a man and they did the same to the carpenters. Had nothing to do with help I think that is the last thing they wanted to do.
As for videos to my evidence I'm not sure I can provided but I can provide some in game quotes or close to in game as I'm going to get:

"They say that Gerudos worship Ganondorf almost like a god." -Gossip Stone in Dodongo’s Cavern.

"...the great Ganondorf... King of the Gerudo Thieves." -leader of the Gerudo Fortress

"...our laws say that lone male Gerudo must become King of the Gerudo..." -Nabooru

"He came on his own to offer himself as a sacrifice to the great Ganondorf..." -Twinrova

So yes, indeed, Ganondorf is the King of the Gerudo; and they do worship him as a god, and maybe even offer sacrifices to him.

As far as helping Link this doesn't seem likely:

"...they locked us up like this just because we're men!" -Ichiro

"I used to think that all men, besides the great Ganondorf, were useless..." -leader of the Gerudo fortress.

So, they worship their king, respect each other according to rank and ability, and hate pretty much hate everyone else. (Some of this quoted from a good friend of mine on a similar forum)
As for the video goes I'm sure there is one but you can just play OOT, ;) .

I know that this is all theory, but you have to have something sturdy to either keep a theory alive or to disprove one. I would never stick to this theory if I didn't have some sort of solid proof. I believe you do to, you have been awesome at trying to find ways of disproving my theory and looking for evidence, so I at no means did I mean to bash you in any way. I guess you could say I'm giving you tips, if you really want to put it that way.

As for the flood thing, I'm sure there are many ways to keep a fiend from taking your kingdom. I can truly understand the first flood, but when the King of Red Lions touched the Triforce I'm sure he could have wished for something a little less drastic. Which leaves me to believe it was out of fear seeing how they have done just as bad or less in the past because of that same reason, fear.

Yes, the Gerudo's did in fact help them in the beginning but Hyrule betrayed them, if I'm correct I think it also was stated in either OoX (oracles of Ages/Seasons, one of them) or four swords.

I agree, I have before, and I still do. But right now everyone is going by what little evidence we have, most of it being subliminal. Besides to be truthfully honest I don't think we will ever put this in the grave. Even when this next Zelda comes out and gives/doesn't give any evidence people will still debate this. You would be surprised as to what solved answers still go debated. Now for me if something came up other wise then I wouldn't bother. But these thread thrive based on the opposite and if I stop doesn't mean someone else will.
As stated before I have remained calm this whole time. My commentary was meant to be read neutrally, I don't think it is I who is getting upset ;)

haha sorry i didnt mean to get upset in my last post. i was actually working on a paper and got stressed so i took a break and checked the forums and thats what came out. its impossible to tell what emotion someone has when writing something so sometimes things can be misread, but i do agree this is a good debate on both ends and i will admit there is more evidence for your theory but i like playing devils advocate, and with that in mind time to try and break you down once again! :D

i understand that the Gerudo attacked Link for being a man, but eventually they do trust him, like him, accept him and allow him to "be" one of them which is why my suspiciouns are raised. if they worship ganondorf, and if he is their ruler then wouldnt they know who his enemy is? Ganondorf knows that Link is trying to stop him so dont you think he would tell his people to look out for the ONLY teenager wearing a green skirt and a green hat? i feel like it would make no sense for them to not know who Link is and just kill him on the spot. they only attacked him because he was a man, not because he was Ganondorfs enemy, and they eventually become friends with Link. this IS the case, so why would they be friends with their "god's" worst enemy? thats like christians deciding to let the devil be friends with them...

im not religious that was just the best analogy i could come up with. it just makes no sense. nabooru becomes Links friend and consequently so do the rest of the Gerudo, besides for Ganondorf of course. you can walk amongst them and talk to them and none of them say they love ganondorf nor do any of them say they want to kill Link. Nabooru knows what Link is trying to do, she knows who he is, she knows that he is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that the other Gerudo know this as well, but they only try to kill him because of his gender, not his association to Ganondorf. no offense but it really doesnt seem like you have gotten that point of my argument as this is like the third or fourth time ive said it.

[Diligo]

haha sorry i didnt mean to get upset in my last post. i was actually working on a paper and got stressed so i took a break and checked the forums and thats what came out. its impossible to tell what emotion someone has when writing something so sometimes things can be misread, but i do agree this is a good debate on both ends and i will admit there is more evidence for your theory but i like playing devils advocate, and with that in mind time to try and break you down once again! :D

i understand that the Gerudo attacked Link for being a man, but eventually they do trust him, like him, accept him and allow him to "be" one of them which is why my suspiciouns are raised. if they worship ganondorf, and if he is their ruler then wouldnt they know who his enemy is? Ganondorf knows that Link is trying to stop him so dont you think he would tell his people to look out for the ONLY teenager wearing a green skirt and a green hat? i feel like it would make no sense for them to not know who Link is and just kill him on the spot. they only attacked him because he was a man, not because he was Ganondorfs enemy, and they eventually become friends with Link. this IS the case, so why would they be friends with their "god's" worst enemy? thats like christians deciding to let the devil be friends with them...

im not religious that was just the best analogy i could come up with. it just makes no sense. nabooru becomes Links friend and consequently so do the rest of the Gerudo, besides for Ganondorf of course. you can walk amongst them and talk to them and none of them say they love ganondorf nor do any of them say they want to kill Link. Nabooru knows what Link is trying to do, she knows who he is, she knows that he is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that the other Gerudo know this as well, but they only try to kill him because of his gender, not his association to Ganondorf. no offense but it really doesnt seem like you have gotten that point of my argument as this is like the third or fourth time ive said it.

LOL I agree, school is so taxing. Well personally I don't know about school but the military isn't a walk in the park. To be honest, you very correct. If a statement isn't written properly, it could so signs of conveying emotion. Especially in a debate it could be read as very aggravated. I'm no typist or even half of what is considered a writer. So I'm sure most if not all my statements aren't read friendly.
You don't have to "pass the dessert" to me. ;)
You're doing an awesome job, even if I present all the evidence in the world and all the quotes in the game to back me up, you still have managed to find a flaw. "Even the smallest pebble can defeat a giant."
I think in both cases we both are, and I'm not going down without a fight! :cool:

Hmm I don't think everyone knew who he was, at least not till he proved himself. Nabooru didn't seem to know him until she awoke as a Sage. As a kid to an adult know one recognized him or knew who he was. Ganondorf how ever did and your right, he tried to kill him as a baby that's how the whole thing started. But Ganondorf might have not cared at that point because by then he was living large in the castle. In the game Ganondorf is youthful and kinda naive. So he was probably like I kill him with the next monster or I'll do it myself. You know those prideful types, they think they are invincible, it most cases he is.
They excepted him because in the game, even though they didn't convey it very well, you proved to be a asset setting the carpenters free with your awesome ninja thief skills, or whatever you call it. They would probably like someone who can best them to use them and reap the benefits. That and he's quite the looker, I'm sure he attractive to them as well. I'm a girl and I'm a sucker for hot dudes (I'm not a fan girl so there is no need for worry), and if they can help me get rich I'm sure I would like that too! I'm sure if he asked they would do tricks for him. XD
Despite how controversial that is (I don't really care), that is probably the best analogy for it, in fact it's perfect. But whether it be christian or an hierarchy-monarchy religion whatever, it is possible to be deceived.

Hmmm, I dunno about love but they are always saying "The Great Ganondorf!" and "Ganondorf this" and "Ganondorf that" which leaves me to believe that they have some sort of infatuation with him. Besides Link just saves the carpenters at their place, if he did do something that was against their lord, I'm sure they would be on him like ugly on a gorilla or white on rice. I'm sure they have no idea what goes on at the Spirit temple, that's Ganondorf's hangout. I'm sure none of them are allowed to be there, knowing Nabooru's character she probably over stepped her boundaries, which upset Twinrova in fact. They told Link she was there if he wanted to talk to her, seeing how he is a "newcomer", they probably had no idea about his or her plans. I'm sure if Ganondorf knew Link was going to attack his home, which he hated living there anyway, he would have informed them. Twinrova wouldn't be the only one to fight him.

By the way, your not repeating yourself. You did twice but you were only trying to get the message across and get me to read and understand what you were talking about. That was probably rude of me (actually it was) to call it out. My sincere apologies~

[Zemen]

LOL I agree, school is so taxing. Well personally I don't know about school but the military isn't a walk in the park. To be honest, you very correct. If a statement isn't written properly, it could so signs of conveying emotion. Especially in a debate it could be read as very aggravated. I'm no typist or even half of what is considered a writer. So I'm sure most if not all my statements aren't read friendly.
You don't have to "pass the dessert" to me. ;)
You're doing an awesome job, even if I present all the evidence in the world and all the quotes in the game to back me up, you still have managed to find a flaw. "Even the smallest pebble can defeat a giant."
I think in both cases we both are, and I'm not going down without a fight! :cool:

Hmm I don't think everyone knew who he was, at least not till he proved himself. Nabooru didn't seem to know him until she awoke as a Sage. As a kid to an adult know one recognized him or knew who he was. Ganondorf how ever did and your right, he tried to kill him as a baby that's how the whole thing started. But Ganondorf might have not cared at that point because by then he was living large in the castle. In the game Ganondorf is youthful and kinda naive. So he was probably like I kill him with the next monster or I'll do it myself. You know those prideful types, they think they are invincible, it most cases he is.
They excepted him because in the game, even though they didn't convey it very well, you proved to be a asset setting the carpenters free with your awesome ninja thief skills, or whatever you call it. They would probably like someone who can best them to use them and reap the benefits. That and he's quite the looker, I'm sure he attractive to them as well. I'm a girl and I'm a sucker for hot dudes (I'm not a fan girl so there is no need for worry), and if they can help me get rich I'm sure I would like that too! I'm sure if he asked they would do tricks for him. XD
Despite how controversial that is (I don't really care), that is probably the best analogy for it, in fact it's perfect. But whether it be christian or an hierarchy-monarchy religion whatever, it is possible to be deceived.

Hmmm, I dunno about love but they are always saying "The Great Ganondorf!" and "Ganondorf this" and "Ganondorf that" which leaves me to believe that they have some sort of infatuation with him. Besides Link just saves the carpenters at their place, if he did do something that was against their lord, I'm sure they would be on him like ugly on a gorilla or white on rice. I'm sure they have no idea what goes on at the Spirit temple, that's Ganondorf's hangout. I'm sure none of them are allowed to be there, knowing Nabooru's character she probably over stepped her boundaries, which upset Twinrova in fact. They told Link she was there if he wanted to talk to her, seeing how he is a "newcomer", they probably had no idea about his or her plans. I'm sure if Ganondorf knew Link was going to attack his home, which he hated living there anyway, he would have informed them. Twinrova wouldn't be the only one to fight him.

By the way, your not repeating yourself. You did twice but you were only trying to get the message across and get me to read and understand what you were talking about. That was probably rude of me (actually it was) to call it out. My sincere apologies~

dont worry, no offense taken/no apologies needed. im sure ive been just as rude at times lol.

no problem. this next post is more of a question and me assuming an answer. isnt twinrova created from two Gerudo or is a Geruod or something? i have read a lot of confusing stuff about that, but if they/it is a Gerudo then how come that specific creature knows about Link but the rest of the Gerudo dont. we know that nabooru is second in command but youre saying she didnt know about Link til she became a sage so why would some random Gerudo know about Link and not the second in command? i dont know i still think its fishy that none of the Gerudo really know who Link is when they see him. even if they do know about him but dont know that its him when he is there i feel like it would be hard to NOT know its him. how many other green clothed characters are running around with a sword AND a shield that has the royal family's symbols all over it? HEY I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING NEW! if the Gerudo worship Ganondorf, then they obviously know what hes trying to do (take over Hyrule). they HAVE to know what hes doing because everyone else knows, and so they obviously know anyone loyal to the royal family would be an enemy and Link clearly has a shield that has the symbol of the royal family. if they are as great of thieves as they are made out to be then they would notice how obvious it is that Link is close with the royal family and they would know that he is Ganondorfs enemy even if Ganondorf has not told them. its just like adding 2 and 2. they dont attack Link for this and even if that is because they thought he was hot, that would not be a good enough reason to disobey your "god". it should be obvious that Link is against Ganondorf just by the shield he carries. they dont attack him for this so that leads me to believe that they dont care that Link is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that they are not against the royal family but maybe rather they are neutral, and maybe this is why the royal family does not like them. they dont do anything to stop their leader when they probably could have, and instead they just stay out of it altogether...

i just introduced a new theory and i am ready to get attacked :D

[Diligo]

dont worry, no offense taken/no apologies needed. im sure ive been just as rude at times lol.

no problem. this next post is more of a question and me assuming an answer. isnt twinrova created from two Gerudo or is a Geruod or something? i have read a lot of confusing stuff about that, but if they/it is a Gerudo then how come that specific creature knows about Link but the rest of the Gerudo dont. we know that nabooru is second in command but youre saying she didnt know about Link til she became a sage so why would some random Gerudo know about Link and not the second in command? i dont know i still think its fishy that none of the Gerudo really know who Link is when they see him. even if they do know about him but dont know that its him when he is there i feel like it would be hard to NOT know its him. how many other green clothed characters are running around with a sword AND a shield that has the royal family's symbols all over it? HEY I JUST THOUGHT OF SOMETHING NEW! if the Gerudo worship Ganondorf, then they obviously know what hes trying to do (take over Hyrule). they HAVE to know what hes doing because everyone else knows, and so they obviously know anyone loyal to the royal family would be an enemy and Link clearly has a shield that has the symbol of the royal family. if they are as great of thieves as they are made out to be then they would notice how obvious it is that Link is close with the royal family and they would know that he is Ganondorfs enemy even if Ganondorf has not told them. its just like adding 2 and 2. they dont attack Link for this and even if that is because they thought he was hot, that would not be a good enough reason to disobey your "god". it should be obvious that Link is against Ganondorf just by the shield he carries. they dont attack him for this so that leads me to believe that they dont care that Link is Ganondorfs enemy which would lead me to believe that they are not against the royal family but maybe rather they are neutral, and maybe this is why the royal family does not like them. they dont do anything to stop their leader when they probably could have, and instead they just stay out of it altogether...

i just introduced a new theory and i am ready to get attacked :D

Well I guess this goes with being lazy but I don't feel like typing in "Kotume and Kotake" when I can refer them as one makes it easier on me.
As for the creatures thing, you can categorize it in two ways. The creatures are very wild or they are minions that attack every thing and anything. When you play TP you have to help the wagon across the land and they attack with no explicit reason. Even before you set off Telma mentions that there are beasties out there and it's dangerous. To be honest I think they are stupid, violent, brutes. With the exception of the mail man he is very fast and has chicken legs.
I'm not sure why or why wouldn't Ganondorf tell his girls to be on the look out. He is either very stupid and prideful figured he could take care of it himself. Or the girls knew about it and didn't know what to expect, certainly not a kid running around doing whatever. Or maybe they thought he was a royal family messenger come to ally with them. As to what the real answer is I don't know I can only speculate. Or maybe they don't care seeing how their god is know the King of Hyrule and he can't really be stopped, besides he's kid to them the Great Ganondorf will open a can of whoop-a** on him he's not a threat.
Here is another one, think about it this whole time Ganondorf was in Hyrule the whole time maybe he never came back to the Fortress that is why his ladies are still there. He can teleport and fly he would have to make a pit stop to the Fortress on the way to the Hangout (aka. Spirit Temple).
As to the real answer I can't provided I don't know but I can say this is that from my point of view they acted as if they didn't know who he was so I assume that they weren't prepaid for him. Although if Ganondorf did take the time to say "Look out for a punk kid running around in green he is a MAJOR THREAT."
To Ganondorf I doubt he thought Link to be any kind of threat. In fact I don't think Ganondorf thought Link was the baby he tried to kill those so many years ago. He knew about it didn't know it would be him, he probably though he did in the baby.
But then again you do talk to him in the forest temple so he probably did know who Link was... Maybe he didn't think Link would get that far, or maybe he remained in Hyrule on the throne. I really don't know, the game never stated, it just hints.

[Zemen]

Well I guess this goes with being lazy but I don't feel like typing in "Kotume and Kotake" when I can refer them as one makes it easier on me.
As for the creatures thing, you can categorize it in two ways. The creatures are very wild or they are minions that attack every thing and anything. When you play TP you have to help the wagon across the land and they attack with no explicit reason. Even before you set off Telma mentions that there are beasties out there and it's dangerous. To be honest I think they are stupid, violent, brutes. With the exception of the mail man he is very fast and has chicken legs.
I'm not sure why or why wouldn't Ganondorf tell his girls to be on the look out. He is either very stupid and prideful figured he could take care of it himself. Or the girls knew about it and didn't know what to expect, certainly not a kid running around doing whatever. Or maybe they thought he was a royal family messenger come to ally with them. As to what the real answer is I don't know I can only speculate. Or maybe they don't care seeing how their god is know the King of Hyrule and he can't really be stopped, besides he's kid to them the Great Ganondorf will open a can of whoop-a** on him he's not a threat.
Here is another one, think about it this whole time Ganondorf was in Hyrule the whole time maybe he never came back to the Fortress that is why his ladies are still there. He can teleport and fly he would have to make a pit stop to the Fortress on the way to the Hangout (aka. Spirit Temple).
As to the real answer I can't provided I don't know but I can say this is that from my point of view they acted as if they didn't know who he was so I assume that they weren't prepaid for him. Although if Ganondorf did take the time to say "Look out for a punk kid running around in green he is a MAJOR THREAT."
To Ganondorf I doubt he thought Link to be any kind of threat. In fact I don't think Ganondorf thought Link was the baby he tried to kill those so many years ago. He knew about it didn't know it would be him, he probably though he did in the baby.
But then again you do talk to him in the forest temple so he probably did know who Link was... Maybe he didn't think Link would get that far, or maybe he remained in Hyrule on the throne. I really don't know, the game never stated, it just hints.

good response, but my main thing is that everyone in the land knows whats going on. everyone knows Ganondord is trying to take over the Kingdom, which means that anyone loyal to the royal family is his enemy, and if the Gerudo worship him then anyone loyal to the royal family is their enemy too. they had to have noticed the royal family shiled that Link was carrying seeing as how it is used to fight some of the Gerudo you come in contact with. based on that, they should have no problem knowing that this is their enemy (provided they really do follow Ganondorf) and they should have not only tried harder to kill him, but they should have not allowed them to be his ally. unless Ganondorf told them that they could ally with the Hylians, i dont think they would just decide to do so without first acknowledging their "god"

[Diligo]

good response, but my main thing is that everyone in the land knows whats going on. everyone knows Ganondord is trying to take over the Kingdom, which means that anyone loyal to the royal family is his enemy, and if the Gerudo worship him then anyone loyal to the royal family is their enemy too. they had to have noticed the royal family shiled that Link was carrying seeing as how it is used to fight some of the Gerudo you come in contact with. based on that, they should have no problem knowing that this is their enemy (provided they really do follow Ganondorf) and they should have not only tried harder to kill him, but they should have not allowed them to be his ally. unless Ganondorf told them that they could ally with the Hylians, i dont think they would just decide to do so without first acknowledging their "god"

Mind you Ganondorf now owns Hyrule by that time, I'm sure no one for the Royal Family is a threat. Plus everyone kept calling him a kid I would assume they would refer to his heroic title.

[Zemen]

Mind you Ganondorf now owns Hyrule by that time, I'm sure no one for the Royal Family is a threat. Plus everyone kept calling him a kid I would assume they would refer to his heroic title.

by the time you get to the Gerudo Fortress in the game, you have already saved a good handful of sages. im sure Ganondorf would notice that, and would see Link as a threat as would his followers. whether or not they see the Royal Family as a threat, i dont think they would let an enemy go JUST because they THINK hes weak, and Ganondorf knows Link is a threat, so im assuming his followers would know IF they really do follow Ganondorf i would see it impossible for them to befriend Link. you say that they follow Ganondorf like hes a god yet they make friends with someone who is OBVIOUSLY loyal to the royal family. whether or not they see the royal family as a threat doesnt mean they can make friends with someone from the royal family.

[Diligo]

by the time you get to the Gerudo Fortress in the game, you have already saved a good handful of sages. im sure Ganondorf would notice that, and would see Link as a threat as would his followers. whether or not they see the Royal Family as a threat, i dont think they would let an enemy go JUST because they THINK hes weak, and Ganondorf knows Link is a threat, so im assuming his followers would know IF they really do follow Ganondorf i would see it impossible for them to befriend Link. you say that they follow Ganondorf like hes a god yet they make friends with someone who is OBVIOUSLY loyal to the royal family. whether or not they see the royal family as a threat doesnt mean they can make friends with someone from the royal family.

*shrugs shoulders* You got me on this one!
Maybe they didn't want anything to happen to their Lord and after Link proved himself they preferred him. Or they are tired of his crap, I dunno but I'm sure in the beginning of your adventure Ganondorf and his girls loved each other. He probably went mad with power toward the end of the adventure. But in the beginning he loved his girls and hey loved him too, except Nabooru. I'm sure they would do anything for their Lord including taking over a land that doesn't really like them for the sake of their King.

[Zemen]

*shrugs shoulders* You got me on this one!
Maybe they didn't want anything to happen to their Lord and after Link proved himself they preferred him. Or they are tired of his crap, I dunno but I'm sure in the beginning of your adventure Ganondorf and his girls loved each other. He probably went mad with power toward the end of the adventure. But in the beginning he loved his girls and hey loved him too, except Nabooru. I'm sure they would do anything for their Lord including taking over a land that doesn't really like them for the sake of their King.

well maybe it was like that at the beginning but its obvious that it isnt like that later on. they obviously dont want the same things that Ganondorf wants. so this brings us back to our main point. why would they be banished or turned into the twili people if they did nothing wrong?

[Diligo]

well maybe it was like that at the beginning but its obvious that it isnt like that later on. they obviously dont want the same things that Ganondorf wants. so this brings us back to our main point. why would they be banished or turned into the twili people if they did nothing wrong?

Actually I was doing a little research, his people may have not have known about Link because Ganondorf was using him to reveal Zelda. So he could get all three pieces of the Triforce. If Link was captured or killed Link would never be able to reveal Zelda and he would not be able to obtain the other two pieces of the Triforce.
With that in mind, the Gerudo are not liked, they are not nice people, they don't like Hyrule, they worship their king, and they steal as a form of substance and hatred, and they are stuck in a desert, which they hate. I'm sure they would gladly follow their king and try to take over Hyrule as the game states.
He did it on his own with the help of Link but without Link trying to get into the Temple of Time unlocking the sacred realm, I'm sure Ganondorf will need a little help. Also Ganondorf was trying to take over Hyrule more than likely with the help of his girls. That is till Link shows up and starts a whole chain of events which leads Ganondorf to do things on his own. He was going to lead his army into the land and overthrow the king, but when he discovered what Link was trying to do he decided to use Link to take it and obtain power of the Triforce. Since the allies of Hyrule wouldn't let him have the stones or keys to the Temple of Time he was going to weaken the Allies over throw the King and get the stones and gain ultimate power. With Link, he would obtain ultimate power and not involve his girls or a war, and he could obtain the kingdom in a nicely wrapped package.
Doing this as an accident Link will have to fix and somewhat prevent what was "somewhat" his fault. Even though Ganondorf was going to start a war he help Ganondorf get the Triforce trying to prevent what Ganondorf was going to do.
Ganondorf did however cause problems for the other allies so when he did start the war Hyrule would have no help. Also with them weak already, he could not only over throw the King but get the stones as I previously stated. When his plans messed up a bit and the Triforce split, he need Link to his own accord so he could get the other two. But now Link has already awoken a sage the other would awaken too. This would interfere with his plans to capture both Link and Zelda for the Triforce he will have to lock up and mess with the temples scattered across Hyrule to prevent their awakening, so they can't help Link and he can get the other Triforce pieces.
So with this more prevalent information, or logical nick picking of the original story, this leaves me to believe they didn't know about Link. Even so they were going to start a war anyway with Hyrule, which lead them to get cast into another realm, ultimately altering them through generations, turning them into the Twili. :3

[Zemen]

Actually I was doing a little research, his people may have not have known about Link because Ganondorf was using him to reveal Zelda. So he could get all three pieces of the Triforce. If Link was captured or killed Link would never be able to reveal Zelda and he would not be able to obtain the other two pieces of the Triforce.
With that in mind, the Gerudo are not liked, they are not nice people, they don't like Hyrule, they worship their king, and they steal as a form of substance and hatred, and they are stuck in a desert, which they hate. I'm sure they would gladly follow their king and try to take over Hyrule as the game states.
He did it on his own with the help of Link but without Link trying to get into the Temple of Time unlocking the sacred realm, I'm sure Ganondorf will need a little help. Also Ganondorf was trying to take over Hyrule more than likely with the help of his girls. That is till Link shows up and starts a whole chain of events which leads Ganondorf to do things on his own. He was going to lead his army into the land and overthrow the king, but when he discovered what Link was trying to do he decided to use Link to take it and obtain power of the Triforce. Since the allies of Hyrule wouldn't let him have the stones or keys to the Temple of Time he was going to weaken the Allies over throw the King and get the stones and gain ultimate power. With Link, he would obtain ultimate power and not involve his girls or a war, and he could obtain the kingdom in a nicely wrapped package.
Doing this as an accident Link will have to fix and somewhat prevent what was "somewhat" his fault. Even though Ganondorf was going to start a war he help Ganondorf get the Triforce trying to prevent what Ganondorf was going to do.
Ganondorf did however cause problems for the other allies so when he did start the war Hyrule would have no help. Also with them weak already, he could not only over throw the King but get the stones as I previously stated. When his plans messed up a bit and the Triforce split, he need Link to his own accord so he could get the other two. But now Link has already awoken a sage the other would awaken too. This would interfere with his plans to capture both Link and Zelda for the Triforce he will have to lock up and mess with the temples scattered across Hyrule to prevent their awakening, so they can't help Link and he can get the other Triforce pieces.
So with this more prevalent information, or logical nick picking of the original story, this leaves me to believe they didn't know about Link. Even so they were going to start a war anyway with Hyrule, which lead them to get cast into another realm, ultimately altering them through generations, turning them into the Twili. :3

well thought out. too bad you are forgetting one VERY important thing. Link has a shiled that is obviously hylian and a symbol of the royal family. you cant just assume that the Geruod dont notice his shield. i find it VERY hard to believe that they knowingly allowed Link to "be" one of them knowing hes their enemy. if what you say is true, then Link would have been attacked for being loyal to Hyrule, but we know he was ONLY attacked because he was a man. there is no ingame text from any of the female Gerudo saying that they love Ganondorf, they hate the desert, or that they dislike the Hylians.

i still stick to what im saying because (another analogy coming) if we saw someone wearing a shirt saying "i love bin laden" we would arrest them and take them in for questioning. if the Gerudo are loyal to Ganondorf and they saw someone who was obviously an ally (or in this case, the hero) of their ULTIMATE enemy, i think they would either capture them for questioning or just try to kill them altogether, but this doesnt happen. i rest my case =]

[Diligo]

well thought out. too bad you are forgetting one VERY important thing. Link has a shiled that is obviously hylian and a symbol of the royal family. you cant just assume that the Geruod dont notice his shield. i find it VERY hard to believe that they knowingly allowed Link to "be" one of them knowing hes their enemy. if what you say is true, then Link would have been attacked for being loyal to Hyrule, but we know he was ONLY attacked because he was a man. there is no ingame text from any of the female Gerudo saying that they love Ganondorf, they hate the desert, or that they dislike the Hylians.

i still stick to what im saying because (another analogy coming) if we saw someone wearing a shirt saying "i love bin laden" we would arrest them and take them in for questioning. if the Gerudo are loyal to Ganondorf and they saw someone who was obviously an ally (or in this case, the hero) of their ULTIMATE enemy, i think they would either capture them for questioning or just try to kill them altogether, but this doesnt happen. i rest my case =]

Alrighty, for the sake of "not" arguing any further I let you have this one. ;)
Let's agree to disagree, I'm not going to change your mind (and your not gonna change mine), in fact that's not my intention anyway. I'm sure they're many explanations that, well, aren't explained, or the lack of. It could have been a flawed intention as far as developing the game, or in fact something missing that we can put our finger on. We need not to step any further because it feels as thought were "chasing our tails" and we are stuck on this one subject. I would love to progress but I feel like you and me will be at this none stop. :xd:

[Zemen]

Alrighty, for the sake of "not" arguing any further I let you have this one. ;)
Let's agree to disagree, I'm not going to change your mind (and your not gonna change mine), in fact that's not my intention anyway. I'm sure they're many explanations that, well, aren't explained, or the lack of. It could have been a flawed intention as far as developing the game, or in fact something missing that we can put our finger on. We need not to step any further because it feels as thought were "chasing our tails" and we are stuck on this one subject. I would love to progress but I feel like you and me will be at this none stop. :xd:

yeah, but that just shows how much we really love it!

[Japua_<3s_Ralis]

I remeber reading somewhere, that there is a gossip stone that mentions that the gerudo are not native to hyrule. You can kinda tell because they have small rounded ears where all of the other races that have ears are shown to have larger pointy ears. This could be a note saying that the gerudo are from a neighboring country (Termina?) and that they were a band of pirates and theives. I do have to agree also with the thoery of the Gerudo being the Twili it makes too much sense.

[Zemen]

I remeber reading somewhere, that there is a gossip stone that mentions that the gerudo are not native to hyrule. You can kinda tell because they have small rounded ears where all of the other races that have ears are shown to have larger pointy ears. This could be a note saying that the gerudo are from a neighboring country (Termina?) and that they were a band of pirates and theives. I do have to agree also with the thoery of the Gerudo being the Twili it makes too much sense.

doesnt make much sense to me for a couple reasons. first of all there is only one Gerudo male every 100 years and Zant AND Ganon/dorf are both males, but according to Gerudo lore, only one male exists at a time and that one male is the leader of the Gerudo, BUT Zant is not the leader of the Twili, Midna is, infact, it doesnt even seem that Zant had any sort of leadership role among the twili. it would be hard for me to believe that their race changed so much that their male went from being the leader to being next to nothing. my other reasons are stated above.

and also, if you are going by the one male every one 100 years thing, that would mean every twili creature you fight is female. the way the Gerudo people would reproduce is by mating with hylian males. in order to survive to the point where they could reproduce without a male would take a VERY long time, but there is no way that a race of all females and one male would survive long enough to evolve to that point.

[Diligo]

doesnt make much sense to me for a couple reasons. first of all there is only one Gerudo male every 100 years and Zant AND Ganon/dorf are both males, but according to Gerudo lore, only one male exists at a time and that one male is the leader of the Gerudo, BUT Zant is not the leader of the Twili, Midna is, infact, it doesnt even seem that Zant had any sort of leadership role among the twili. it would be hard for me to believe that their race changed so much that their male went from being the leader to being next to nothing. my other reasons are stated above.

and also, if you are going by the one male every one 100 years thing, that would mean every twili creature you fight is female. the way the Gerudo people would reproduce is by mating with hylian males. in order to survive to the point where they could reproduce without a male would take a VERY long time, but there is no way that a race of all females and one male would survive long enough to evolve to that point.

Hello I'm back!
It would be nice if the game actually stated that. ;)
As it was said in TP he was supposed to be the leader as the tradition goes but no one trusted him so they gave it over to Midna. Not only that but as to whoever they were they are no longer they are now a completely different race.

With the whole "they are now a completely different race" complex. It's been 100's of years and there would have been several men born. Not only that but the comparison of Zant and Midna among the rest of the twili are completely different. Which leads me to believe they aren't the only one type of twili in there. Sorta like your a Hyrulian if you live in Hyrule but Hylians are the dominant race. Besides for whatever race you want to believe where banished they would have to fuse with another type to become what they are now. They didn't enter the realm and automatically become what they are now. It even stated when they first entered they were shadows till they were excepted into their new home.

[Zemen]

i found something very interesting yesterday. i just finished replaying through OoT and at the end of the game during the credits there are a bunch of people celebrating the defeat of ganondorf. now during this celebration there is a very short (maybe one or two second) view where you clearly see a line of Gerudos doing a show girl dance, celebrating with everyone else. now if they worshiped ganondorf like a god, why would they be celebrating his defeat with everyone else (including the Hylians that supposedly dont like them according to what some of you say)?

[Diligo]

i found something very interesting yesterday. i just finished replaying through OoT and at the end of the game during the credits there are a bunch of people celebrating the defeat of ganondorf. now during this celebration there is a very short (maybe one or two second) view where you clearly see a line of Gerudos doing a show girl dance, celebrating with everyone else. now if they worshiped ganondorf like a god, why would they be celebrating his defeat with everyone else (including the Hylians that supposedly dont like them according to what some of you say)?

This is after he had reign over Hyrule and Link defeated him. The game states this I'm enforcing it I wish people would quit ignoring what the game says.

[Zemen]

This is after he had reign over Hyrule and Link defeated him. The game states this I'm enforcing it I wish people would quit ignoring what the game says.

no one is ignoring what you say. whether or not the gossip stones say they worship him like a god doesnt exactly matter. who knows how old the gossip stones are? who knows how old ganondorf is? those stones and ganondorf could have been around for quite some time, and over time the feelings of the Gerudo people could have changed just as ganondorfs motives in life changed to him wanting to take over Hyrule.

the game states they worship him like a god, this is contradicted by them CELEBRATING his defeat, which is also in the game.

you would have to waste time to get the mask of truth to talk to the gossip stones to know what that ONE gossip stone says, whereas no matter what you do, if you beat the game, you are going to see celebrating Gerudo (if you pay attention).

i would see that as more proof to them not really liking ganondorf than the stone saying they worship him.

[Diligo]

no one is ignoring what you say. whether or not the gossip stones say they worship him like a god doesnt exactly matter. who knows how old the gossip stones are? who knows how old ganondorf is? those stones and ganondorf could have been around for quite some time, and over time the feelings of the Gerudo people could have changed just as ganondorfs motives in life changed to him wanting to take over Hyrule.

the game states they worship him like a god, this is contradicted by them CELEBRATING his defeat, which is also in the game.

you would have to waste time to get the mask of truth to talk to the gossip stones to know what that ONE gossip stone says, whereas no matter what you do, if you beat the game, you are going to see celebrating Gerudo (if you pay attention).

i would see that as more proof to them not really liking ganondorf than the stone saying they worship him.

Alright so this whole argument has been about the fact you don't think the Gerudo's like him thus they wouldn't follow him, and wouldn't have been banished right?
Well your right they don't like him, Nabooru being the only outspoken one. The Twins say that she has a major influence on the girls and they look up to her, probably meaning everyone's dislike towards Ganondorf her being the cause (trying to blame her) but they HAVE to follow him and do what he says despite true feelings. They HAVE to worship him, and follow him as their king and god despite how they feel or not, it is their ancestral and traditional law. If they don't he will brainwash them (or the twins will) and they will have to do it anyways. So as a ruler of his own people if he ask them to jump they have better say how high, your majesty?

Not only by law but he is very powerful entity and I'm sure no one will argue with that logic. Also at the beginning of OOT they were oppressed and looked up to him for a better life but when he got his power. Thinking that no one would stop him he probably decided to leave them in the desert, thinking he wouldn't need them anymore. That probably pissed them off, hince the celebration at the end. He really cares about them but when he gets his power no one is equal to him. He makes his concern and love for his people in WW the fact the he dumped them has only to do with his power and lust for it.

Plus in OOT Zelda, disguised as Sheik, said he lead his army into Hyrule and took over. TP probably takes place at the event of this happening, he lead an army into Hyrule to dominate it and that is what the Sages where referring to. His army and those who followed him were sentence to death and those of were there by banished.

That and the Gossip stones are then only information that anyone can look for in the game. They are there for a reason, if it's in the game I'm going with it, I don't think the creator put them there for no reason. It gives fun facts about tid bits of the game.

I have a HUGE list of quotes that state that the Sheikah are dead or dwindle way and that Ganondorf's army or the Gerudos are the ones who were behind it. Sorry but I have to go with what the games says not impressions and opinionated assumptions. I know it seems screwy but it is what it is. I just came seem to understand why people are having a hard time believing it's them.

[Zemen]

you do realize that there is nothing anywhere that states that ganondorfs army is his Gerudo people. in OoT, there are only like 10 Gerudo in the entire game. i highly doubt that was his army.

and if you recall, Ganondorf had control over a multitude of dungeon bosses and monsters. whats to say his army doesnt consist of the same random monsters Link had to fight through his adventures in OoT?

[Diligo]

you do realize that there is nothing anywhere that states that ganondorfs army is his Gerudo people. in OoT, there are only like 10 Gerudo in the entire game. i highly doubt that was his army.

and if you recall, Ganondorf had control over a multitude of dungeon bosses and monsters. whats to say his army doesnt consist of the same random monsters Link had to fight through his adventures in OoT?

So your saying that the Twili are monster demons even though it was stated that it was a race of people or tribe, who followed Ganondorf, who were banished. The Gerudo are no where in sight, besides the connection of the Twili it never states where they are. Even though Ganondorf was the King of the band of thieves that he lead, being warriors of some type you still want to argue this logic?
Also if you look at the game, and I assume this has to do with the limit they had for size for the game (MM had to have an expansion because there were to many characters there wasn't given enough space), there is only a few people or characters that are emphasized to be a group. I'm sure 12 people do not make up the castle town, or 6 Gorons make up their entire race, you know better than that.

Ok fine whatever, I'm not trying to change your mind, but your making things way more intricate than what is really there. You just instigating something that is pretty much explanatory. To me your just arguing to argue, despite it is clearly stated and evidence to back it up.

Ok you don't believe it's them, this you have made clear. Despite the inevitability, what race do you think it is then?

[Zemen]

So your saying that the Twili are monster demons even though it was stated that it was a race of people or tribe, who followed Ganondorf, who were banished. The Gerudo are no where in sight, besides the connection of the Twili it never states where they are. Even though Ganondorf was the King of the band of thieves that he lead, being warriors of some type you still want to argue this logic?
Also if you look at the game, and I assume this has to do with the limit they had for size for the game (MM had to have an expansion because there were to many characters there wasn't given enough space), there is only a few people or characters that are emphasized to be a group. I'm sure 12 people do not make up the castle town, or 6 Gorons make up their entire race, you know better than that.

Ok fine whatever, I'm not trying to change your mind, but your making things way more intricate than what is really there. You just instigating something that is pretty much explanatory. To me your just arguing to argue, despite it is clearly stated and evidence to back it up.

Ok you don't believe it's them, this you have made clear. Despite the inevitability, what race do you think it is then?

it never says anywhere in twilight princess that the race banished to the twili realm followed ganondorf. where is your in game quote for that one?

in fact, ganondorf isnt even mentioned in the game til you find out he is controlling Zant, so i have no idea what youre talking about.

[MrMosley]

it never says anywhere in twilight princess that the race banished to the twili realm followed ganondorf. where is your in game quote for that one?

in fact, ganondorf isnt even mentioned in the game til you find out he is controlling Zant, so i have no idea what youre talking about.

Even if it dosen't say it right as you would expect it to be said, word for word like that, it dosen't rule it out, and you seem to believe that these games have to be word for word or they are untrue. You have to think about just general ideas, like the fact that there was a war to get into the Sacred Realm in which Ganondorf succeeded and killed off many of his own army. If you read the ALttP manual, you find this out.

That is what Midna is basically talking about. She tells about how the race was trying to get to the Sacred Realm, she tells you this when you get to the Gerudo Desert which can't just be coincidence. All you gotta do is connect the events from one game and know what references they are making in the next. If every Zelda title had to re-write and state word for word, detail by detail what exactly happend, then it would be ignorant. Legends aren't detailed because they lose bits and pieces over time until your left with a basic story of what happend, and with each game we find out that the intro or a story within the game is a legend which generally refers to a prior game or event in the series.

[Zemen]

Even if it dosen't say it right as you would expect it to be said, word for word like that, it dosen't rule it out, and you seem to believe that these games have to be word for word or they are untrue. You have to think about just general ideas, like the fact that there was a war to get into the Sacred Realm in which Ganondorf succeeded and killed off many of his own army. If you read the ALttP manual, you find this out.

That is what Midna is basically talking about. She tells about how the race was trying to get to the Sacred Realm, she tells you this when you get to the Gerudo Desert which can't just be coincidence. All you gotta do is connect the events from one game and know what references they are making in the next. If every Zelda title had to re-write and state word for word, detail by detail what exactly happend, then it would be ignorant. Legends aren't detailed because they lose bits and pieces over time until your left with a basic story of what happend, and with each game we find out that the intro or a story within the game is a legend which generally refers to a prior game or event in the series.

lol it doesnt have to be word for word. the one thing they would have to change to make it about Gerudo is instead of saying "the magic wielding tribe" say "the Gerudo tribe"

that would be a very easy and tiny fix that would not be difficult at all. and how could a legend lost some meaning and some information to it if someone from the tribe itself is telling you the legend?

and dont tell me that i only believe things word for word. there is a huge difference between this and what youre talking about from a completely different thread so stop spamming.

[MrMosley]

lol it doesnt have to be word for word. the one thing they would have to change to make it about Gerudo is instead of saying "the magic wielding tribe" say "the Gerudo tribe"

that would be a very easy and tiny fix that would not be difficult at all. and how could a legend lost some meaning and some information to it if someone from the tribe itself is telling you the legend?

and dont tell me that i only believe things word for word. there is a huge difference between this and what youre talking about from a completely different thread so stop spamming.

Learn what spamming is first and then maybe you can tell me to stop "when" I actually do it. The thread is about mysteries of the Gerudo tribe. The fact that TP hints to the Gerudo being the Twili would be a major mystery of how they disappeared.

Back on topic, I do believe the Gerudo were the ones banished. Ganondorf would have used them in his army to gain access to the Sacred Realm. Like I have said before, they may not all like him particularly, but his is their King. This is back in like medieval times, when people rarely went against the will of their King. And especially where there is only one male born every 100 years, they would probably feel that he was a divine being or something.

[gerudo goyo]

i was wondering also how they make babies if there arn't any males. but later when is was touring around hyrule to search for gossip stones (because i obtained the mask of truth) there was one gossip stone just outside the temple of time.
the gossipstone said this:
"They say that Gerudos sometimes come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for boyfriends."


That's so funny. They come to Hyrule Castle Town to look for "boyfriends"? Basically the Gerudo women rape the men of Hyrule Castle Town for their semen. Forgive me if that's too vulgar.

[Diligo]

it never says anywhere in twilight princess that the race banished to the twili realm followed ganondorf. where is your in game quote for that one?

in fact, ganondorf isnt even mentioned in the game til you find out he is controlling Zant, so i have no idea what youre talking about.

Despite what information you find out about Ganondorf and when it is stated there have been previously on several accounts about who was banished and why. I have several quotes in which state this, in fact I have posted several already. Here are some more I highlighted more or less the facts but there are more quotes I haven't had the time to look for all of them, these are the main ones.

SAGES:
"He (Ganondorf) was the leader of a band of thieves who invaded Hyrule in the hopes of
establishing dominion over the Sacred Realm.
He was known as a demon thief, an evil-magic wielder renowned for his
ruthlessness...
In all of his fury and might, he was blind to any danger, and thus was exposed,
subdued, and brought to justice..."

AURU:
"...........
You have likely heard of the strange
events in the desert and come to investigate, no?
Or am I mistaken?
You do know, don't you, Master Link?
The Gerudo Desert once held a prison built to hold the worst criminals this
land has ever known...
The criminals who were sentenced to death were sent directly to the underworld
by a cursed mirror that was kept in the prison...
Now that prison is condemned, and even the road leading to the desert is
impassable.
This desert at world's end... It still holds the cursed mirror and the malice
of the doomed inmates...
These old bones know that the evil currently plaguing Hyrule is related to this
wicked place. So I have come to learn the truth...
Master Link, I must ask... What will you do now?
Don't tell me you plan to enter the desert and confirm my suspicions with your
own eyes?!"

MIDNA
Wait, Link.
Before we go on, there's something I want you to hear.
...Do you remember what the spirit said about the Fused Shadows?
What do you think happened to the magic wielders who tried to rule the Sacred
Realm?
They were banished. They were chased across the sacred lands of Hyrule and
driven into another realm by the goddesses.
It was another world entirely... The antithesis of Hyrule, where the sun shines
bright.
Its denizens became shadows that could not mingle with the light.
Eventually, most came to call it the Twilight Realm, and from it, none could
return to the world of light...
They were forever doomed to live in the twilight, flitting in the half-light of
dusk, mere shadows of Hyrule...
This is the history of the Twili as it has been passed down from our
ancestors...
Do you now understand what I am?
I'm a descendant of the tribe that was banished to the Twilight Realm!
It was a peaceful place...until Zant took control of the Twilight Realm and
transformed all of the Twili into shadow beasts.
It's clear to me now that he somehow gained a great evil power previously
unknown to our tribe...
In any case, I was sent from there, and could no longer get into the Twilight
Realm without his power.
...But there's another tale told by my people.
Though the goddesses forbade us to return to the world of light, they left one
link between the light and the darkness.
Something called the Mirror of Twilight was passed to the protectors of
Hyrule...
It's our only path to the Twilight Realm...and we must get there!
You'll come with me...won't you?

ZANT
You speak of magic? Still your tongue for a moment, whelp, and I will tell you
of both magic and the oppression of ages...
The people of our tribe...a tribe that mastered the arts of magic...were locked
away in this world like insects in a cage.
In the shadows we regressed, so much so that we soon knew neither anger nor
hatred...nor even the faintest bloom of desire.
And all of it was the fault of a useless, do-nothing royal family that had
resigned itself to this miserable half-existence!
I had served and endured in that depraved household for far too long, my
impudent princess.
And why, you ask? Because I believed I would be the next to rule our people!
THAT is why!
But would they acknowledge me as their king? No! And as such, I was denied the
magic powers befitting our ruler.
It was then, in the thrall of hatred and despair, that I turned my eyes to the
heavens...and found a god.

MIDNA
Traitors, ha! You want to know why none would call you king? It was your eyes,
Zant.
All saw it, a lust for power burning in your pupils... Did you think we'd
forget our ancestors lost their king to such greed?

In other words those who followed Ganondorf, as stated, a tribe/race are the Twili. What is the only tribe/race that followed Ganondorf and isn't present in the game? Also those who followed him were sentence to death, those sentence to death were banished into the Twilight Realm all stated in those quotes above.
Also as stated above mention about their oppression, in a previous debate we had, which tells that they would more than likely follow Ganondorf anyhow. These events happen before he showed his butt and pissed off his race, and where they turned on him.

[Seldavia]

I believe they drowned in WW, as the person who oversaw the prayers to the Goddesses - likely Daphnes, as he had the Wind Waker - did not believe them to be worthy of salvation as they were connected to Ganondorf.

In TP, you can see that the Arbiter's Grounds - where Ganondorf was executed - was once the Spirit Temple and still retains some of its architecture. I believed the Gerudo were destroyed in genocide to prevent another Ganondorf from being born.

[lonely_moon]

I believe they drowned in WW, as the person who oversaw the prayers to the Goddesses - likely Daphnes, as he had the Wind Waker - did not believe them to be worthy of salvation as they were connected to Ganondorf.

In TP, you can see that the Arbiter's Grounds - where Ganondorf was executed - was once the Spirit Temple and still retains some of its architecture. I believed the Gerudo were destroyed in genocide to prevent another Ganondorf from being born.

I think that's a really good theory. It would explain why they are missing in TP and WW. I don't think they turned into the Twili, because that incident is implied to occur during the Civil War, which takes place before Ocarina of Time. Therefore, if the Gerudo were the Twili, they wouldn't have been in OoT.

As for the whole "one man per one hundred years" thing, I'd say that they were cursed that way by the Goddesses because of their crimes and the fact that they were worshiping another god (the Goddess of the Sand).

[Japua_<3s_Ralis]

The gerudo are the twili. TP occured 100 or so years after OoT, and a male Gerudo is born every 100 years, the second known male is known as...Zant. Midna said their race were banished from Hyrule, which is understandable why the Gerudo was banished seeing how Ganondorf himself is Gerudo.

Pay attention to the fight with Ganon at the end of TP, he too possesses the power of the Twilight. Once Midna turns back to human form, she resembles a Gerudo. Isnt it also weird that the portal to the Twilight Realm is in the Gerudo Desert? Im not sure how much clearer TP can show everyone that the twili are in fact the gerudo.

Im actually going to be writing a full blown article concerning this later, full of spoilers.

EDIT : Ok while playing Twilight Princess again, I have found in game quotes pretty much proving the gerudo are the twili.

Quotes by Auru (speaking of Gerudo Desert) : "The criminals who were sentenced to death were sent directly to the uderworld by a cursed mirror that was kept in the prison" "This desert at worlds end...it still holds the cursed mirror and the malice of the doomed inmates"

Midna (right when you enter the Gerudo Desert) : "About the fused shadows...what do you think happened to the magic wielders who tried to rule the sacred realm?" (screen gazes to the desert wasteland) "They were banished...They were chased along the sacred lands of Hyrule and riven into another realm by the goddesses."

Then goes to cut scene explaining the realm. "Its denizens became shadows that could not mingle with the light, eventually most came to call it..the twilight realm." "This is the history of th twili as it has been passed down from our ancestors". " Do you now undertstand what Iam?...I'm a descendant of the 'tribe' that was banished to the twilight realm"

Aside from all that, Ganondorf himself was banished to the realm of twilight...

Sages "Only the true leader of the twili can utterly destroy the mirror of twilight...so Zant could only merely break it into pieces"

The Gerudo are the Twili.

Yes while those do help to show that they might be the Gerudo look at the people, the Twili that are seen are all male except for Midna, so that puts a gigantic hole in this theory.

[Zemen]

another problem with his theory is that Midna never says the magic wielding race lived in the desert. just beacuse the screen focuses on the desert means nothing. also, the only three gerudo to ever use magic in any zelda game are kotake and koume and ganondorf, so why would the gerudo be refered to as a magic wielding tribe? you can say all you want that MAYBE they did magic or learned it and never used it, but without ANY in game evidence of that, its a terrible theory.

also, the twili that are turned back to normal look nothing like the Gerudo and even midna doesnt look like a Gerudo. the only similarity is red hair. a good explanation for that color is that she already has a black and purple body, so she doesnt need black or purple hair and she had that red hand on her head when she was an imp so it would be suiting to give her red hair. other than the red hair she doesnt have a single gerudo trait and im sure the gerudo werent the only red heads in the world.

[Amelie]

Interesting read ^^ I always did wonder about it.

And I do think Nintendo just reused the gerudo skins in MM for the pirates ^^

[Skull_Kid]

Of course not, Amelie... It was the counterpart version of the desert race.. also, a fac that bugs me, is that the Terminian versions were still called the Gerudo, even in the absense of the Gerudo Desert

[Zemen]

Of course not, Amelie... It was the counterpart version of the desert race.. also, a fac that bugs me, is that the Terminian versions were still called the Gerudo, even in the absense of the Gerudo Desert

the Gerudo arent named after the desert they reside in. the desert is named after them.

[Amelie]

So they are called greudos in the game MM then?

I thought they just reused the skins on them like they did with everyone else

[Zemen]

not 100% sure if they are called Gerudo in MM, but arent they pirates in MM instead of thieves?

[Josh]

Yeah they're pirates but they kept the name Gerudo for some reason:

The Gerudo reappeared in Majora's Mask, now taking on the role of pirates. Interestingly, they kept the name "Gerudo", even though this tribe did not live in Gerudo Desert or anything with a similar name.

http://www.zeldawiki.org/Gerudo

From that.

[firemblem64]

one of the gossip stones says sometimes gerudos come to castletown to find a
boy friend sorry if anyone said that already i just read the first page of thread

[bellum]

I've always been wondering if every 100 years a new male gerudo is born how do they keep existing? and the lady that nabooru put in charge says that she thought men were filthy and gerudo hate them this has been a very mysterious mystery

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

I've always been wondering if every 100 years a new male gerudo is born how do they keep existing? and the lady that nabooru put in charge says that she thought men were filthy and gerudo hate them this has been a very mysterious mystery

A gossip stone outside the Temple of Time tells you that Gerudo come to Castle Town to get boyfriends.

Just thought I'd clear that up.:D

[bellum]

oh really I never knew that but if they come to castle town to get boyfriends and have some babies there really is a chance that the baby may be hylian or whatever the folk from castle town are and one of their babies might be a boy so I'm still a tad bit confused:S

[Zemen]

oh really I never knew that but if they come to castle town to get boyfriends and have some babies there really is a chance that the baby may be hylian or whatever the folk from castle town are and one of their babies might be a boy so I'm still a tad bit confused:S

thats not the point. that fact they are Gerudo make it so they can only have one boy every 100 years. its like a curse on them. it doesnt have anything to do with their physical race.

[bellum]

thats not the point. that fact they are Gerudo make it so they can only have one boy every 100 years. its like a curse on them. it doesnt have anything to do with their physical race.not neccisarly cause it maynot be a curse it may be something else like some with the gerudo;s body's although they may of told us that if it was true well it doesn't seem like a curse and also the gerudo hate men really so it may be a law of the gerudo

[Zemen]

not neccisarly cause it maynot be a curse it may be something else like some with the gerudo;s body's although they may of told us that if it was true well it doesn't seem like a curse and also the gerudo hate men really so it may be a law of the gerudo

it cant neccessarily be a law because its not like they can just say to their bodies "dont have a boy" and then POP a girl comes out. and they obviously dont hate boys THAT much because whenever they do have a boy it becomes their leader...

[bellum]

it cant neccessarily be a law because its not like they can just say to their bodies "dont have a boy" and then POP a girl comes out. and they obviously dont hate boys THAT much because whenever they do have a boy it becomes their leader...well even in OoT they say they hate all boys except Ganondorf is also like saying they hate all boys except their king and well I know that but I"m kinda thinking it was something like a curse but not a curse

[Zemen]

well even in OoT they say they hate all boys except Ganondorf is also like saying they hate all boys except their king and well I know that but I"m kinda thinking it was something like a curse but not a curse

this completely contradicts your previous post. you basically said that you think they might choose to only have one male every 100 years because they hate males. now youre saying they hate all males except their king which is the one male born every 100 years. those are contradicting because if they hate all males EXCEPT Gerudo males. if they like Gerudo males then why would they choose to only have one every 100 years? those are very contradicting posts.

my theory is that its some sort of curse or some sort of genetic thing that makes them only have one male born every 100 years.

you have to keep in mind that its not saying that each Gerudo gives birth to one male every 100 years but that there is ONLY one male every 100 years. it would be impossible to figure out which one is going to give birth to this male unless there is a whole back story to it, but without a back story to explain it, its just better to assume its just something specific to their race. it may not be a curse at all, just something they evolved with or was bestowed upon them by the goddesses because the goddesses knew they were going to give a Gerudo male the tirforce of power and they didnt want other Gerudo males fighting over it...who knows?

[bellum]

this completely contradicts your previous post. you basically said that you think they might choose to only have one male every 100 years because they hate males. now youre saying they hate all males except their king which is the one male born every 100 years. those are contradicting because if they hate all males EXCEPT Gerudo males. if they like Gerudo males then why would they choose to only have one every 100 years? those are very contradicting posts.

my theory is that its some sort of curse or some sort of genetic thing that makes them only have one male born every 100 years.

you have to keep in mind that its not saying that each Gerudo gives birth to one male every 100 years but that there is ONLY one male every 100 years. it would be impossible to figure out which one is going to give birth to this male unless there is a whole back story to it, but without a back story to explain it, its just better to assume its just something specific to their race. it may not be a curse at all, just something they evolved with or was bestowed upon them by the goddesses because the goddesses knew they were going to give a Gerudo male the tirforce of power and they didnt want other Gerudo males fighting over it...who knows?Zemen, I'm changing my mind time over time.But I bet gerudo's can have boys but if it isn't the 100th year he can't become Gerudo, That's on posiibility.About the king thing in OoT the Gerudo thief nabooru put in charge even said she thought all men were filthy except for the great Ganondorf which kinda means every hundred years they get a new king and then praise him.I dont really think it has anything to do with the Triforce because how would they give the one male gerudo the triforce of powere I doughted they even knew about it . and I'm beggining to believe your theory a teeny bit about that wierd curse but the Answer awaits in Miyamoto

[Zemen]

Why is it that the Gerudo tribe only have a male every 100 years?

im not sure if this is ever discussed within the series or explained but its very mysterious (hence being in the mysteries section).

i have come up with some theories that i will present.

1) its a curse. maybe somewhere in the past, the Gerudo tribe was cursed by some magical being making it so that they could only have one male every 100 years. maybe some time before OoT, there was a group of male Gerudos who did something rediculous that caused some magical being to deem in necessary for there to only be one male existing at a time.

2) its just part of their genetic code. each race has things specific to them. the Gerudo appear to be humans, but maybe they are an entirely different race that just looks like humans. the deku are woodlike, the zora are swimmers, the goron eat rock and are strong and near impervious to heat, maybe the Gerudos special trait is that they can only have on male every 100 years. maybe their race was just created that way.

3) this is probably my favorite theory. maybe the Goddesses made them this way on purpose. maybe the goddesses forsaw that Ganondorf would get the triforce of power. this doesnt mean that they knew he would be evil, they just knew he would get it. with that in mind maybe they made it so only one male is born every 100 years because they did not want their to be too much of a lopsided power distribution. it is made obvious that Ganondorf has powers even without the triforce. if that is the case, then probably all males have this magic. in OoT, Ganondorf is the only magic user of the Gerudo tribe with the exception of twinrova. maybe the males are the only ones that get magic and if they gave Ganondorf the triforce of power to protect, then his tribe would be too powerful if there were a bunch of other magical males so they only allow the tribe to have one every century.

well those are the only theories i have been able to come up with for now. lets discuss this idea people! :)

[Shawnogohma]

My question is is how do they all give birth. Are they all surrogate? If so, then that means all Gerudos are part Hylian or some other race.

Or maybe Ganondorf get's a lot of action........(sorry)

Or perhaps whenever a male is born before a hundred years has gone by, they kill him? O.o

[Zemen]

My question is is how do they all give birth. Are they all surrogate? If so, then that means all Gerudos are part Hylian or some other race.

Or maybe Ganondorf get's a lot of action........(sorry)

Or perhaps whenever a male is born before a hundred years has gone by, they kill him? O.o

kind of off topic but a good point i guess.

obviously if there is only one male then they must find other means of getting pregnant. assuming that the lifespan of the male is anywhere from 40-55 as would be the standard in a medievil place, then they would need a male to inpregnate them after their only male has passed so, yes, i would assume that every male Gerudo is part Hylian or what have you.

from here on out try to stay on topic and discuss the 100 year theories.

[bellum]

well, zemen I"m kinda understanding your 3rd theory now and it's great^^

and shawnagohma um one of the stones near the Temple of time says that sometimes Gerudo come to Castle town to get boyfriends, That is how they give birth.I also though of something like killing them, well I said just not making Gerudo, but your Idea is Fine enough I guess.

[mewtwolord]

Well have you guys thought it was something traditional or some crap you enherit

[bellum]

inherit part of there genetic code whats the diffrence but I dont think they would inherit something like that but I think it has something to do with the goddeses like zemen said

[Zemen]

Well have you guys thought it was something traditional or some crap you enherit

it would make no sense for it to be a tradition because that would imply that they get to choose the gender of their children which seems very unlikely.

and my second theory deals with the whole "inherit" thing except they dont inherit it, they are just created to only have one male every 100 years for no reason.

i agree with Bellum, though, i like my 3rd theory the best. it seems the most likely.

[mewtwolord]

it would make no sense for it to be a tradition because that would imply that they get to choose the gender of their children which seems very unlikely.

and my second theory deals with the whole "inherit" thing except they dont inherit it, they are just created to only have one male every 100 years for no reason.ShellShocker: Where are you up to in OoT, Bellum?

i agree with Bellum, though, i like my 3rd theory the best. it seems the most likely.

xD
and my second theory deals with the whole "inherit" thing except they dont inherit it, they are just created to only have one male every 100 years for no reason.ShellShocker: Where are you up to in OoT, Bellum?
thats me in dreamland xD.Well i've come up with something elselike it say balh blah only females balh dude born like every 100 years balh maybe its like something that only happens like once a life time or something special.

[Zemen]

xD
and my second theory deals with the whole "inherit" thing except they dont inherit it, they are just created to only have one male every 100 years for no reason.ShellShocker: Where are you up to in OoT, Bellum?
thats me in dreamland xD.Well i've come up with something elselike it say balh blah only females balh dude born like every 100 years balh maybe its like something that only happens like once a life time or something special.

probably the sloppiest post ive ever seen...i dont understand what youre trying to say at all...

[mewtwolord]

Well does any get what im trying to say?It's really hard for me to explain this.

[mewtwolord]

Well maybe you know how there are diffrent gerudo women .Well maybe like in that 100th year there is like a chosen or special gerudo that gives birth to a male

[bellum]

I"m back on and zemens third statement seems the most possible to me. I could kinda understand his post.But it must have something to do with the Gerudo's and the Goddeses, also if the goddesse make sure the gerudo only have 1 male 100 years isn't that kinda like a curse.This is making me change my mind ove and over and over again

[ShellShocker]

They hate males.
'nuff said. :P
Just kidding, maybe just some tradition, but as Bellum said:

one of the stones near the Temple of time says that sometimes Gerudo come to Castle town to get boyfriends
Which kinda changes my theory.

[zeldafreak]

My question is is how do they all give birth. Are they all surrogate? If so, then that means all Gerudos are part Hylian or some other race.

I know this is kind of off topic, and I'm not sure if someone else posted something like this. But I'll say it anyways.

There's a gossip stone (I think it's front of the Temple of Time, correct me if I'm wrong) that says that the Gerudo go to town to find boyfriends.
So that's how the Gerudo have children.

Edit: Whoops, someone already posted something like this. Oh well.

[bellum]

yeah oh well but it doesn't matter well I"m off too dodongo's cavern to screw with dodongos and my mirror shield and after that I"m gonna get the mask of truth but anyways that is how gerudo's reproduce they get boyfriends from castle town and then have babies the end well heres the catch did you know koume(part of twinrova)is ganondorfs mother http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9863/96pxkoume.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Zemen]

yeah oh well but it doesn't matter well I"m off too dodongo's cavern to screw with dodongos and my mirror shield and after that I"m gonna get the mask of truth but anyways that is how gerudo's reproduce they get boyfriends from castle town and then have babies the end well heres the catch did you know koume(part of twinrova)is ganondorfs mother http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9863/96pxkoume.png (http://imageshack.us)

koume and kotake are his serrogate mother. they have magic which might explain why he does. they are the only three Gerudo to ever display and acts of magic (with the exception of Nabooru who doesnt really have magic til she awakens as a sage).

this still doesnt help explain why there is only one male every 100 years.

also, if the Gerudo were created this way then its not exactly a curse because they never knew any different.

humans cant fly because we werent created to fly. that doesnt mean its a curse that we cant fly. they were created to only give birth to one male every 100 years. they are used to it and dont know any better so its not a curse to them. its the norm.

[Shawnogohma]

and shawnagohma um one of the stones near the Temple of time says that sometimes Gerudo come to Castle town to get boyfriends, That is how they give birth.I also though of something like killing them, well I said just not making Gerudo, but your Idea is Fine enough I guess.
Uh....thanks? :| No need to tell me.

Anyway, why aren't there more Gerudo kings (leaders)?

My answer would be because Ganondorf was only king of the Gerudos for a short time. Once he was sealed into the sacred realm, the Gerudos no longer had a king, and would have to wait another hundred years until they could have another man leading them, and during those hundred years the Gerudo race was somehow wiped out before that time could go by. So that must explain why there isn't any Gerudos in TP. (Assuming Twilight Princess takes place around thirty to forty years after OoT.)

[zeldusfanaticus]

perhaps 100 years is time it takes for a male gerudo to develop the gentic matierial in the sperm for a son, or its just a by chance thing the theres a 1 in 100 chance of a male being born. As with males from other species, it says they can get all boyfreind girlfreind type, im pretty sure it says nothing about babies, the genes might not be compatible. Or just like horses and donkeys they make a mule(and something else, has to do with which is the male) but a mule is incapable of having baby mules, maybe its the same with gerudo/hylian, they have babies but those cant reproduce. all these are possible explanations for the gerudo dissapearing from Hyrule.

[Zemen]

Uh....thanks? :| No need to tell me.

Anyway, why aren't there more Gerudo kings (leaders)?

My answer would be because Ganondorf was only king of the Gerudos for a short time. Once he was sealed into the sacred realm, the Gerudos no longer had a king, and would have to wait another hundred years until they could have another man leading them, and during those hundred years the Gerudo race was somehow wiped out before that time could go by. So that must explain why there isn't any Gerudos in TP. (Assuming Twilight Princess takes place around thirty to forty years after OoT.)

well we know it takes place after OoT as the creators have told us it takes place 100 years after OoT.

and i dont understand why you answered a question that no one really asked... the topic of the thread is WHY the 100 year thing exists. you have yet to make a post that is actually on that topic.

[Onilink89]

Threads merged

The whole "every 100 gerudo male" thing is already discussed in this thread.
There is no need to make a separate thread about it.

second, please if you are discussing a subject, please do it in a proper way.
Do not reply off topic posts, that way its looks more like a chatbox convo rather then a thread.

[Johnny Boy]

Yeah, I thought about this too when I first played through the game.
They're all women. If there is no man, they would all die out.
Then again, it is just game, so I'm not going to much into detail with this.

[beta]

well ive always been curious about the gerudo, so i created my own theory (its more or less just a fanfic) essentially i said that a male gerudo is the only one with the ability to produce another male, and that the females are produced by some other means (hylain boyfriends)

[Zemen]

Yeah, I thought about this too when I first played through the game.
They're all women. If there is no man, they would all die out.
Then again, it is just game, so I'm not going to much into detail with this.

once again, there is a truth stone that says that the Gerudo females go and find Hylian boyfriends. that means that they most likely reproduce with them.


well ive always been curious about the gerudo, so i created my own theory (its more or less just a fanfic) essentially i said that a male gerudo is the only one with the ability to produce another male, and that the females are produced by some other means (hylain boyfriends)

depending on the average lifespan of a Gerudo (more specifically a male Gerudo), this could be true.

maybe after impregnating a female, the male Gerudo dies. that could be why there is only one male Gerudo at a time every 100 years.

[HeroofAges]

wasn't it established somewhere.. like a Gossip Stone that Gerudo mate with humans/hylians to reproduce? Also I thin that the Gerudo desert is not really looked at as part of the kingdom so their involvement in most of the games would be unnecessary... Don't worry.. they'll be back.

[AeroCanyon]

:)If you talk to one of the gossip stones out side of the temple of time with the mask of truth, it says something like: "BIONG BIONG, sometimes the Gerudos come into town for boyfriends!" I hope that answered your question about Gerudo children.although it wont matter if some ones already said that.

[HeroofAges]

The Twili are not the Gerudo.. while the back story is similar to the events of OoT.... the Twili were magic users. the Gerudo never used magic and never had the fused shadow..

[Twilight Mask]

I seem to remember reading somewhere, that the lady in TP that drives on the cart to kakariko from castle town (with Ilia in and the zora prince) is a gerudo descendant. It is possible after all of the gerudo disapearing all of a sudden, maybe they just hid or maybe they were wiped out by the twili when the world was covered in twilight? I dunno.

[HeroofAges]

I seem to remember reading somewhere, that the lady in TP that drives on the cart to kakariko from castle town (with Ilia in and the zora prince) is a gerudo descendant. It is possible after all of the gerudo disapearing all of a sudden, maybe they just hid or maybe they were wiped out by the twili when the world was covered in twilight? I dunno.

Telma was her name... I also saw that some think she could be a descendant of the Gerudo. The designs on her clothes and the jewelry she wears would certainly support it. And her skin tone and hair also. Gerudo generaly have blunted ears... at least in OoT and WW.... Though Telma's pointed ears could just be deluded by 100 years of cross-breeding with Hylians. The OoT gerudo were rumored to take mates from Hylia but there were far more regular humans in that game than Hylians.

[Zeruda]

Telma was her name... I also saw that some think she could be a descendant of the Gerudo. The designs on her clothes and the jewelry she wears would certainly support it. And her skin tone and hair also. Gerudo generaly have blunted ears... at least in OoT and WW.... Though Telma's pointed ears could just be deluded by 100 years of cross-breeding with Hylians. The OoT gerudo were rumored to take mates from Hylia but there were far more regular humans in that game than Hylians.

Yes, the Gerudo would get boyfriends in Hyrule, so that would undoubtedly call for interracial offspring. However, the theory that Telma might be of Gerudo descent is a fan-based assumption, and nothing of her descent was ever mentioned in the game or any interviews. I do not think that the character designer took Telma's descent into consideration... I think she's just one of those characters they designed to not look like another white person. Other examples would be Hena and Coro, who look Hispanic. Telma looks more african than anything, just with lighter skin. She has the facial structure of a black woman, the large lips, and the stereotypical dreads. I think she's just another character meant to give diversity to the game.

I think too many people jump to the conclusion that a character is Gerudo based on their dark skin or red hair. I mean, some people even think Din is Gerudo.... but really, you have to take design into consideration. Red hair is usually given to characters with a lot of spirit. Nabooru, Malon, Marin, Telma, Din... they are all characters with a bit of a sparky personality, hence their red hair.

As for their existance in other games... I don't know. With TWW, I lean towards the belief that they died out. Afterall, they were suffering due to the condition of their land. On top of that, Hyrule was flooded, and I don't really think they'd have been spared, being Ganondorf's followers and all.

In TP... eh, I lean towards the belief that they might be the ones the Twili are descended from. I notice most resemblences in design- Gerudo designs are all over Zant's clothing, remnants of red hair... snake designs were used in Gerudo designs (statues, mirrors, etc) and can also be found in Twili designs. The Twili used magic and the Gerudo had some magic (ice arrows, witches, etc). But, of course, that's just speculation and has yet to be proven, so I don't put too much thought into it as I'd rather stick to what is canon.

And then their life spans.... I don't know whether Koume and Kotake lived so long because of their Gerudo blood or because of their witchcraft, but Ganondorf does show some aging in OoT, mainly in his hair and a tiny bit of his face. Nabooru, on the other hand, doesn't seem to age in 7 years time while other characters like Ruto and Malon do. Perhaps Gerudo have longer lifespans that other races, but maybe not. There isn't much proof aside from visual evidence, and even that doesn't tell us very much. In any case, the Gerudo women do find mates of different blood. Maybe male leaders such as Ganondorf have multiple wives. Who knows.

[TVTMaster]

I'm pretty sure that the Dark Interlopers weren't all Gerudo per se- for one thing, Telma appears to be of Gerudo descent, as well as a few other suspicious NPCs in TP. The DIs were likely kind of a cult, formed primarily of Gerudo and Sheikah. The Sheikah, if you remember, were all but wiped out in the Civil War, and only a small remnant remained as the most loyal retainers in the Hylian kingdom. So it seems that the DIs were Sheikah, Gerudo, and possibly a number of the other races, and the Twili are basically an amalgation of the different DI races plus whatever mutation the Twilight Realm caused.

Note that the Gerudo were still present in OoT- so clearly the entire Gerudo race was not the DIs/Twili. Some remained, and were likely dispersed/wiped out when the Hylians invaded the desert and transformed the Spirit Temple into the Arbiter's Grounds. Telma is likely a remnant of the Gerudo left over from the invasion.

[HerosDescendant]

I think the Gerudo do have male babies before the 100 years. However, I believe they kill any male babies they have before then, possibly because of some grudge they've developed against males that has to do with the males that used to be within their tribe, perhaps something to do with my theory that the Gerudo (preferrably the males) used Majora's Mask. That could explain why they were banished into the desert, and when they were banished, they drove the males deeper into the desert.

I think it really means that the Gerudo allow one male to be born every one hundred years.

[Zemen]

it makes no sense that they kill every male BUT one. If they had a grudge against males then they would most likely just kill all males. There is absolutely no reason to only keep one male around, let alone make that male their king if they despise him so much.

Also, since the Gerudo are really only heavily spoken of in one game (OoT) and there is absolutely no evidence to support this, it's probably safe to assume that it's a false theory.

It would have been mentioned in the game if this was the case.

They wouldn't kill all males out of hate and then keep one to make their leader. It would completely go against the whole idea of hating them.

[HerosDescendant]

it makes no sense that they kill every male BUT one. If they had a grudge against males then they would most likely just kill all males. There is absolutely no reason to only keep one male around, let alone make that male their king if they despise him so much.

Also, since the Gerudo are really only heavily spoken of in one game (OoT) and there is absolutely no evidence to support this, it's probably safe to assume that it's a false theory.

It would have been mentioned in the game if this was the case.

They wouldn't kill all males out of hate and then keep one to make their leader. It would completely go against the whole idea of hating them.


But perhaps they would need the tactical and militaristic mind that males usually have, so that would be a reason for they're one exception. The Gerudo are warriors after all, and they would need a strong leader, and strength is usually associated with men (no offense to all of the female fans out there. I don't believe this myself, but the Gerudo might have).

[TVTMaster]

So your general theory is based entirely on the assumption that the Gerudo were just extremely sexist. I mean, yeah, they were, at least to those butt-ugly pervert carpenters, but Link earned their respect and stuff. Just doesn't seem probable.

[Zemen]

But perhaps they would need the tactical and militaristic mind that males usually have, so that would be a reason for they're one exception. The Gerudo are warriors after all, and they would need a strong leader, and strength is usually associated with men (no offense to all of the female fans out there. I don't believe this myself, but the Gerudo might have).

This entire theory is based entirely on theories. Everything you just stated is never hinted to in this game or any other game in the series.

This is what we know. The Gerudo were pushed to the deserts for whatever reasons. One male is born every 100 years and is their king. The Gerudo hate men except their king.

That's all we know about the Gerudo, thus, one can assume that this is the only important and relevant information about them.

I'm pretty sure the game specifically says that only one male is "born" every 100 years.

If that is what it says then that is what it means. If it was meant to be one male allowed to live every 100 years, then that would have been stated and explained, but it's not.

Also, if they wanted the assumed tactical knowledge and strength of the male, where would the male learn it? He would have to learn all of his knowledge from the only other Gerudos around, the females. With that in mind, this would mean that the Gerudos would have the same tactical knowledge which would make it unnecessary for a male Gerudo to do such things. Also, if they only wanted their tactical knowledge then they would make that male the general or tactician, not give him power over the entire tribe.

This theory is flawed because it's based on other theories and goes completely against what the series says.

[HerosDescendant]

I don't see how it would go against it. I mean, their not just gonna throw all of the right info into your hands just like that, ya know.

[Zemen]

I don't see how it would go against it. I mean, their not just gonna throw all of the right info into your hands just like that, ya know.

But the game was made quite a while ago. You really think they waited ten years to tell us that the Gerudo males aren't born every 100 years but are only allowed to live every 100 years? It's very irrelevant to the recent games seeing as how the Gerudo all appear to be gone in newer games.

[Kaynil]

I don't really go with your theory as why would teh gerudo behave that way, but the idea of killing (or somehow gettiung rid of) all males before every 100 years, doesn't sound that off to me. That is of course, out of the so called reply of "It is just a game" and trying to find a more human grounded explanation.

If this was the case, do you think the male allowed to live would be for being the first male born of certain set date? Or do you think it follows some bloodline. Like the male out of X family of the Gerudos? =P

This talk gets me pumped like for a fanfiction focusing through the Gerudo tribe, teehee.

[lonely_moon]

Zemen125 is right - it makes no sense to kill all males with the exception of one. If they hated men that much, they would kill every male born into their tribe. Also, they wouldn't let a man rule over them, either. Judging by that, maybe they hate all men with the exception of their own (and Link, of course, since he earned their respect).

Your reasoning behind this is interesting, and there are a few facts to back it up. Majora's Mask could well have originated in Hyrule, since the Happy Mask Salesman has it, and the Gerudos could have come from Termina through the hidden passage to Hyrule and then sealed it away (if they created the mask in Termina).

But here's what busts this theory - at this point in the timeline, the Gerudos were still around, and their presence was known in Hyrule. They had not disappeared yet. The HMS said in MM that the ancient tribe had vanished, but he would have known of the Gerudos, since he comes from Hyrule.

[arkvoodle]

i don't really get it, the ledgend in the games says that ONLY ONE MALE is born every 100 years. so if there were alot of males, why kill all but 1. if they hated males wouldnt they kill all the males in their tribe?

[angelkid]

I dont agree with this theory, however, everyone is missing something very very obvious. People are asking the question 'Why keep one male alive?' Isn't the answer obvious? Last time I checked Lesbian conception was impossible. They would need the males to breed and keep the tribe going.

[Raven]

thats a joke right? the gerudo become the twili? Pfffft whatever. heres why there not: if they were the same tribe (which they're not) why does ganondorf appear to zant via cut scene in his gerudo form, wouldn't he have changed into a twili seeing as he was the first to get thrown into the TR, but oh wait that's right gerudo aren't twili. Silly me i forgot.

second how does a gerudo lose their tan? They don't cause they live in a dessert.

third even for that little castle of a dungeon in the TR there are just two many male twili.

and concerning the birth of male gerudo... i was under the impression that they either killed the males who were born under a gerudo kings rule or they used sorcery, because we are told that ganondorf is a wicked sorcerer thief demon bad dude by the ole deku tree in oot, some gerudo just have magic i guess. for example koume and kotake (i think thats their names...)

however gerudo magic is NOT the same as twili magic

i thought that the twili had been around for a long time... and that their banishment went back to the days of hyrule creation.

[angelkid]

I opened a thread and it got closed and I was redirected to this, so here's what it said:

I was thinking just now, and I realised there has been alot of debate as to WHY there are no gerudos in Twilight Princess. Well, it just occured to me, what if, the males 'born' every 100 years are there for the simple purpose of breeding? They are then made King as this gives them a reason to have children (without a reason, at one point one male could say, 'Why should I? What's in it for me?) Now. The reason that there are no Gerudo's in TP, I think is because Ganondorf is killed in OoT on the CT. He is then 'Reborn' with the ToP. Now, he would have no more need to be the king of the Gerudos, he therefore has no reason to honour his promise to breed with them. No more Gerudo's are born and they all die out, one by one. I think, this is the reason that the Arbiter's grounds are desserted in TP.

[Kaynil]

^Exactly! I don't buy the Gerudo hate towards males, I think it would be more of a tribe tradition they have been carrying around for centuries, more like a paradigm.

[Zeruda]

I do think we can assume that men are disliked:

Gerudo: "I've seen your fine work. To get past the guards here, you must have good thieving skills. I used to think that all men, besides the great Ganondorf, were useless...but now that I've seen you, I don't think so anymore!"

I think that if one of the Gerudo expresses these feelings towards males, we can assume that an entire tribe of female-only thieves would have similar feelings. However, I doubt they'd kill off male Gerudo born into the tribe because of those feelings.

Nabooru: "A kid like you may not know this, but the Gerudo race consists only of women. Only one man is born every hundred years... Even though our laws say that lone male Gerudo must become King of the Gerudos, I'll never bow to such an evil man!"

So, we know for a fact that only one man is born every hundred years. It's very possible, though, that other males would be born of interracial families seeing that Gerudo women would seek Hylian boyfriends.

So how does the Gerudo tribe live? Perhaps Ganondorf has multiple wives. Perhaps they have longer lifespans than other tribes. Or maybe this 1 male/century is a possible reason why we don't see them in later parts of either side of the timeline.

In any case, we know that Gerudo dislike men and only one is born per century, and their laws say that he must become king.

[Zemen]

They would need the males to breed and keep the tribe going.

There is a gossip stone in the game that says that Gerudo woman often go down to villages to find boyfriends. This is an obvious indication that they don't mate with other Gerudo.

[Skull_Kid]

Yes, and I think that we can kill this discussion here, because Zerudo posted the quote that pretty much kills herosdescendant's theory.
Even if that quote wasn't shown, the theory would still be highly doubtful, because there was never a single piece of evidence hinting towards it.

[Zemen]

Yes, and I think that we can kill this discussion here, because Zerudo posted the quote that pretty much kills herosdescendant's theory.
Even if that quote wasn't shown, the theory would still be highly doubtful, because there was never a single piece of evidence hinting towards it.

Exactly. The quote that Zeruda displayed specifically said that one male was born every 100 years. That means physically extracted from a womb. Not that one male was allowed to live every 100 years. Argument/Theory/Discussion over.

[DeepSlackerJazz]

Hey guys,


How's it swingin? First off I'd like to say that I'm a long time franchise fan (first game was ALttP) and absolutely love how everyone here is so fanatical.
Up until just yesterday I had only played the games and thoroughly enjoyed them, not thinking twice about timelines or theories or anything of the kind. Stumbling upon this forum has renewed an excitement in me comparable to first laying eyes on OoT's "press start" screen. haha. Anywho, I digress.

I have some two cents to put in on the whole Gerudo theory. I think that the Gerudo, for whatever reason, most likely their disdain for men, decided to put a curse on all males of their race that were not chosen to be the lucky winner of the century. The curse involves the boy turning to stone and being banished to Death Mountain for the rest of his years. I believe that all Gorons are cursed and banished males of the Gerudo tribe. If you think about it you never see a female Goron in any of the franchise games. Also this makes sense as to why there are so few Gorons in WW wandering the Great Sea as tradesmen. Also, and this is slightly insignificant, Gerudo and Goron are slightly similar names however Goron, is like Moron a clever trick the Gerudos might have thought of Gerudo-Moron-Goron?

Anyway. Let me know what ya'll think. Working on a timeline but it is hard to wade through all the speculation.

[MrMosley]

(regarding DeepSlackerJazz's post)

Welcome. You can post your introduction thread here:

http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=42

That's quite a theory you have. Its pretty unique, I'll give it that. However, the game clearly states (as you'll read in the many posts above) that one male is born every 100 years. Zemen put it pretty good in saying that this is meant literally, and not that only one is allowed to live. The Gerudo actually only birth one single male every 100 years. This would be impossible in the real world of course, so I know its easy to try and come up with a better way for this tale to work. But its Zelda, and things work quite different from the real world. Thus, one male every hundred years means one male every hundred years.

[Zemen]

If you think about it you never see a female Goron in any of the franchise games.

There is actually a thread in the mystery section that talks about the lack of female Gorons.

What we came up with was that we actually are not 100% sure that we haven't seen a female Goron. What if the females look exactly like the males? For all we know, they are just so similar that we don't notice.

Also, in MM, there is a baby Goron which means that Gorons are born (or somehow created) which would rule out the idea of them being discarded male Gerudo seeing as how the Gerudo in MM don't appear to be connected to the Gerudo in OoT.

[DeepSlackerJazz]

Well played Zemen and Darklink.
Just a thought that popped up while going through some of these theories, lots to catch up on.

:)

[Twili Kid]

The reason the Gerudo survived is that it said somewhere on a gossip stone that they find boyfriends in castle town so I suppose they have babies that almost never are boys.

[Darknut]

I was going to make as topic just like this one! Well I think the Gerudos don't need a male to have a child. I'm to sure as to where they went in TP, but maybe they closed off Gerudo Fortress and there was no need for Link to go there.

[MalonMaverick11]

First of all, in MM they never say that the women in the pirate fortress are actually gerudo. they just look like gerudo because nintendo didn't feel like designing new characters.

When it comes to reproduction, i don't think that they reproduce like humans do. It might be something stork-ish, but spiced up by involving the gods bringing the babies or something. I don't think that they fornicate with people in other towns becuase that would 'dirty' their race. Maybe they reproduce with mitosis, so there doesn't have to be fertilization?

I think that maybe they decided that they should evolve into hylians? That way they could preserve both races during the flood.

[Shadow Wolfo]

Hmm... I really didn't notice. But you make a good point. Maybe they were found of Hyrule and treasure and then died off. O.o

[Oathkeeper95]

I believe that the Gerudos do give birth to males, but the males almost always are human, so they are deemed unworthy to become king. I guess hat the gerudo male gene is just so weak that the hylian male gene or gerudo female or Hylian female gene completely overrides it when they fornicate with/ rape their Gerudo boyfriends.

Thats right I said hylian female. I believe Malon could be half Gerudo after reading this one theory. First of all theres the red hair which is an extremely common Gerudo trait. Then theres the whole , Malons mom is missing, deal but it never specified whether she actuelly died or not. Now i never read the complete details regarding this theory but Talon seems to be a bit too ecited when he says that you looked like his wife when you put on the gerudo mask and talked to him......

Im guessing that there was this Gerudo woman that got with Talon and either A) Married him just so that she can have a kid with him and then left when it wasnt a Geruo , or B) actuelly fell in ove with him and then married him but then died of unkown causes before links adventure started.

[Shadow Wolfo]

There something I just realized. All the females look the same. So my guess is they were cloned, its probably impossible for that long ago but it may be a clue to the answer.;)

[angelkid]

I'm pretty certain that the Gerudos breed the good ol' fashioned human way. This evidence is supported by a Gossip Stone that tells you that the Gerudos go to Castle Town to pick boyfriends (yes I know this has been said like 396903469438 times before, but I think it just needed saying before.) I'm certain that Gerudos aren't Cloned. That would require some sort of technology which is only just coming to light in the modern world. It's use in a game set in medievil times would be... very silly.

I also think it is very unlikely there is any kind of stork involved. If there were a Stork, there would be no reason as to why there was only ever 1 male born every 100 years.

However, I have just thought of a mild theory. It is probably stupid though as I am very tired. What if, the Gerudos go to Castle Town, and mate. Then when the baby is born, they take it back with them, and perform some sort of 'initiation' to make it a Gerudo. IF one male is 'Born' a year, maybe they consider their 'birth' as a Gerudo their initiation. This way, no males would be 'born' until the last male (their current king) is dead. This is because the king would not chose ANY males to be initiated as if some males were, there would be a chance that they would steal his throne. So, what I am basically getting at here, is what if the Gerudos use the term, 'Born' technically, as oppose to literally?

[Clucluclu]

I used to wonder why the Gerudos only have a malwe once every 100 years but I think the gossip stone makes it pretty clear. The Gerudos go to the castle and get fertile. The baby is always a girl. Its that simple.
Just once every 100 years is it a boy, but all the others are girls who grow up and repeat the cycle.

As for cloning, did anyone notice that all zoras, Gorons, Zuna, Those Ninja guys in Ikana, Tokey, Subrosian, and Deku look the same (with a few exceptions)? We don't believe them to be cloned. So why would the gerudo be cloned? Its just another example of Nintendo being lazy.

I never thought of Malon being Gerudo, but I think your probably right. However, about her red hair, I don't think that thats good evidence because Talosn also had red hair. But everything else seemed correct.

[Oathkeeper95]

Really? Wow i cant believe i missed that..... And i was so sure his hair was black...
Are you sure you're talking about Talon?

Anyway , do you guys think its possible that a gerudo can have a male, but its always a hylian and every 100 it turns out to be Gerudo?

[Clucluclu]

sorry my mistake about Talon's hair, your right. BUt im sticking with my theory though

[x-Link-x]

Really? Wow i cant believe i missed that..... And i was so sure his hair was black...
Are you sure you're talking about Talon?

Anyway , do you guys think its possible that a gerudo can have a male, but its always a hylian and every 100 it turns out to be Gerudo?

Well, if a male is born every 100 years then no matter what, that male won't be a full Gerudo, hell he can have black hair due to the genes of the Hylian male that the Gerudo took to get them pregnant in the first place. Perhaps they're raised up to be Gerudo but seeing as how the Gerudo can't possibly have children with the one male that is born then that makes me think that the entire clan is not full Gerudo, there is always a bit of Hylian thrown in because of the males that the Gerudo chose to be with.

Also, one can think that perhaps the Gerudo males have unaturally long life, because of that wasn't the case then that means that the women would be having the child with an extremly old man.

[angelkid]

Well, if a male is born every 100 years then no matter what, that male won't be a full Gerudo, hell he can have black hair due to the genes of the Hylian male that the Gerudo took to get them pregnant in the first place. Perhaps they're raised up to be Gerudo but seeing as how the Gerudo can't possibly have children with the one male that is born then that makes me think that the entire clan is not full Gerudo, there is always a bit of Hylian thrown in because of the males that the Gerudo chose to be with.

Also, one can think that perhaps the Gerudo males have unaturally long life, because of that wasn't the case then that means that the women would be having the child with an extremly old man.

Seriously. There is absolutely NO way that Talon can be a Gerudo. I can prove this with one simple fact. "1 male Gerudo is born every 100 years." Figured it out yet? Ganondorf is a male Gerudo and he and Talon are alive at the same time so there is absolutely no way that they can both be Gerudo.

Also, you say 'seeing as how the Gerudo can't possibly have children with the one male that is born.' Why? Of course they can. There is no evidence at all to suggest that the one male isn't the father of all the other Gerudos. You think it wouldn't be possible for him to impregnate all these women? You are very wrong. Who says he has to do it all at once? Also, there is nothing to suggest that Gerudo's even mate the same way humans do.

[x-Link-x]

Seriously. There is absolutely NO way that Talon can be a Gerudo. I can prove this with one simple fact. "1 male Gerudo is born every 100 years." Figured it out yet? Ganondorf is a male Gerudo and he and Talon are alive at the same time so there is absolutely no way that they can both be Gerudo.

Also, you say 'seeing as how the Gerudo can't possibly have children with the one male that is born.' Why? Of course they can. There is no evidence at all to suggest that the one male isn't the father of all the other Gerudos. You think it wouldn't be possible for him to impregnate all these women? You are very wrong. Who says he has to do it all at once? Also, there is nothing to suggest that Gerudo's even mate the same way humans do.

Sure they can sleep with the one male, but what I mainly mean is that for the one male to be born from the previous male into the clan, the one they sleep with has to be very old, which is why I said they might have longer lives.

[Vincent]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Idealistically, if this were to happen in the real world, I'm pretty sure they would have a sperm bank. I know it's a bit of a mature subject, but I'm thinking logically here. I'm sure they would want to keep their race as pure as can be, and that would be the only way. Unless, there is just something biological about it. Like one female being born every hundred years with the ability to reproduce. Then again, the population would dwindle this way. It really is complicated. I guess one of their only option to not become extinct is to mate with Hylians.... which brings another thought to my mind. Maybe they actually did become extinct, seeing as they are completely absent in Twilight Princess.

[x-Link-x]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Idealistically, if this were to happen in the real world, I'm pretty sure they would have a sperm bank. I know it's a bit of a mature subject, but I'm thinking logically here. I'm sure they would want to keep their race as pure as can be, and that would be the only way. Unless, there is just something biological about it. Like one female being born every hundred years with the ability to reproduce. Then again, the population would dwindle this way. It really is complicated. I guess if their only option to not become extinct is to mate with Hylians.... which brings another thought to my mind. Maybe they actually did become extinct, seeing as they are completely absent in Twilight Princess.

I was thinking about the idea of the sperm bank as well, but I didn't dare to throw it in because of the old nature of the time period and such. Either way, seeing as how they deal with magic, perhaps they carry a way to perserve their Gerudo traits and such.
It is complicated. =/

[Steve]

I gave it some thought, and though it can be interpreted as an immature thought, I don't intend it to be that way at all. I've begun to believe that a possible role of the Gerudo king, is to mate with Gerudo women, thus keeping the blood line pure. Some Gerudo may not believe in such things, which could explain the Ocarina of Time quote about them going to the market, "looking for boyfriends". Not only that, but it would also explain their disappearance.

If I recall, on the Child Timeline, we see Ganondorf sealed within the Twilight Realm, and therefore would no longer lead his people. Without him they could not continue the blood line, and also because he is still alive, another male would not be born. At this point they would have no choice but to interbreed with Hylians, or face extinction. As for the Adult Timeline, it is the same concept, that they probably died out when Ganon was concealed in the Sacred Realm, or they did not recieve the call from the goddesses to reach higher ground during the Flood (it would seem they do not worship the them).

[angelkid]

I have to completely agree with the post above me, except for on one thing. I made a post similar to the one you just did a while ago but the only difference was that, once Ganondorf was sealed this meant he could no longer breed with the women, meaning that no other male could be born. As oppose to no other male being born just because he is alive.

Think about it, Nothing says that there can never be two Gerudo males alive at once, just that only one can be born every 100 years. It all fits. The only rational explanation for the Gerudo mystery is this.

Gerudos only breed with other Gerudos to keep the bloodline pure. The male Gerudo that is born will start to mate with the females, at some point in his life something magical will happen to him, in which, for that one chance, he will be able to produce a male. However, I am beginning to lean towards the fact that this happens early in life, otherwise, the male could be killed in a war. Perhaps Gerudo conception just takes a VERY VERY long time. Anyway, I think the avergae age for Gerudo males is 100. Some will live slightly longer and some slightly less, 100 would be the average.

Think about it, what other explanation is there for there being no Gerudos in TP? The explanation is that Ganondorf never concieved that male, he didnt have a chance before he was 'killed' by the sages, and therefore the Gerudos were never able to concieve again. They all died out. Once Ganondorf had the Triforce of Power he had no interest in mating with the Gerudos, he was too busy taking over the world. When the Gerudo tribe realised they were doomed, some fled, to breed with Hylians just to stay alive. Some were too proud, refused to abandonne the desert, believed Ganondorf would come back for them, and died. This explains why some people, namely the bar woman (I think it was Telma) in TP resembled Gerudos. They were the Descendents of the ones who fled.

Think about it, its all very very plausible.

[MrMosley]

I gave it some thought, and though it can be interpreted as an immature thought, I don't intend it to be that way at all. I've begun to believe that a possible role of the Gerudo king, is to mate with Gerudo women, thus keeping the blood line pure. Some Gerudo may not believe in such things, which could explain the Ocarina of Time quote about them going to the market, "looking for boyfriends". Not only that, but it would also explain their disappearance.

This theory has one big problem. Now at first glance, this is a pretty solid theory. It is a good one too, so don't get me wrong, its nicely thought up. But the one major factor here is this:

Male Gerudo is born... He breeds with multiple female Gerudos in order to "keep a pure bloodline". Pretty soon, Male Gerudo has a buncha daughters, yet he is the only male. So what happens then?

Surely the male gerudo isn't going to "mate" with his daughters or relatives. This theory would cause all Gerudo to be closely related, very quickly. So I can't be in support of it on that account. I still just believe that the Gerudo women go to Hyrule, find guys, get pregnant, and have babies until eventually they have a male.

[angelkid]

No, as I stated above. I believe there is a LONG conception period, if that's the right term. What I mean is, the woman is pregnant for a LONG time. Also, on second thoughts, I do not think it is just the males who live for approximately 100 years. I would have to say it were the females to. This way the 'King' only mates with the females of his generation. This would prevent in-breeding and such.

True it was similar to the post above, but as I said, I had already posted something very similar to this, this time I just thought about it more and developed my point more.

[MrMosley]

No, as I stated above. I believe there is a LONG conception period, if that's the right term. What I mean is, the woman is pregnant for a LONG time. Also, on second thoughts, I do not think it is just the males who live for approximately 100 years. I would have to say it were the females to. This way the 'King' only mates with the females of his generation. This would prevent in-breeding and such.

The male would still be like, the great great..(on and on) Grandfather of the females and the next male. Your theory would work though, I see where your going with it. Only problem is, its strictly a made up theory. None of the games tell us the duration of a Gerudo female's pregnancy, and none of them tell us how long the Gerudo live. The only Gerudos we have seen to survive many generations are Koume, Kotake, and Ganondorf, and that's all because two are witches, and know magic, and Ganondorf usually has someone to resurrect him or survives by way of the ToP.

[angelkid]

Good point. I was just trying to think of an explanation. I just really think that the only reason that the Gerudos are gone in TP has to be that there was noone to mate with them and continue their bloodline. So they just all died, except those who fled. Of course there are other explanations. Perhaps the Gerudos just decided that they didn't want to live in a dessert any more and decided to move. Or perhaps some natural disaster such as a massive sandstorm befell them and they were just wiped out.

[Steve]

The male would still be like, the great great..(on and on) Grandfather of the females and the next male. Your theory would work though, I see where your going with it. Only problem is, its strictly a made up theory. None of the games tell us the duration of a Gerudo female's pregnancy, and none of them tell us how long the Gerudo live. The only Gerudos we have seen to survive many generations are Koume, Kotake, and Ganondorf, and that's all because two are witches, and know magic, and Ganondorf usually has someone to resurrect him or survives by way of the ToP.
I agree it's nothing but speculation, but that's what this topic is. None of the games tell us anything about their pregnancy, so it can only be argued about what could be, not what is.

[Shadow Wolfo]

I was playing TP and the first time you see Auru he tells you about what happen.

He said that the criminals of the Gerudo Desert, were sentenced to death. So the only Gerudo left is Ganondorf. Thats what happend to them.

[Zemen]

I was playing TP and the first time you see Auru he tells you about what happen.

He said that the criminals of the Gerudo Desert, were sentenced to death. So the only Gerudo left is Ganondorf. Thats what happend to them.

I don't recall this, but it's a good find. I would like to point out that this doesn't say that ALL of the Gerudos were sentenced to death. It just says the criminals of the Gerudo Desert, and, if you recall, there was at least one Gerudo who HATED Ganondorf and she ended up becoming a sage. Who's to say that there aren't other Gerudos like her?

[Shadow Wolfo]

I don't recall this, but it's a good find. I would like to point out that this doesn't say that ALL of the Gerudos were sentenced to death. It just says the criminals of the Gerudo Desert, and, if you recall, there was at least one Gerudo who HATED Ganondorf and she ended up becoming a sage. Who's to say that there aren't other Gerudos like her?
Yeah but they all pointed out they were all thieves. Though I couldv'e misread that part.

[shadowlink626]

obviously Ganondorf is a playa and he "mates" with all of them and freezes his little soldiers until he comes back.

and where were they in those other games? Pretty obvious...mating:)

[Master Kokiri 9]

In Ocarina of Time, the Gerudo take on many changes throughout the game. The Gerudo are a tribe of all women, but there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. This male Gerudo happens to be Ganondorf.

At first, the Gerudo don't want Link to be apart of their tribe and each time he comes near, they capture him and toss him into the Gerudo Prison. Only after he duels with the Gerudo's is he rewarded a Gerudo membership and allowed to walk freely amongst the Gerudo Fortress. At that point the Gerudo are friends with Link, allowing him to use their archery game as well as their training grounds.

Link later encounters the 2nd in charge Gerudo, Nabooru. She is found within the Spirit Temple and Link learns that Nabooru despises Ganondorf. Link later goes on to help Nabooru and defeats the Spirit Temple, later finding out that she was the Spirit Sage.

In Majora's Mask, the Gerudo are pirates along the Great Bay. Once again, they are entirely a female tribe. These Gerudo's are advanced and seem to be doing some sort of research. The have an edge in technology since they use motorboats and cannons.

Other then that, the Gerudo are not found in any of the main Zelda games. (Not counting Ganon and Twinrova). They do make an apperance in the Four Sword Adventures though.


There are a few mysterious I find to be quite odd with the Gerudo race. Apparently there is one male Gerudo every 100 years. So how exactly do they keep existing? Don't they need to have children? My guess is that means the Gerudo either head on over to town, find a man, and have a child. Or maybe, just that Gerudo male is the only father of all the Gerudo children. What if there is a female child that is born? There is so much that doesn't make sense about the Gerudo race.

Where are they in the rest of the Zelda games??? If you are one that believes in a timeline or a split timeline, it is commonly believed that the Gerudo race was wiped out with the Great Flood that is the Wind Waker. Fine, but how about Twilight Princess, the Minish Cap, either of the Oracle games, any of the four early Zelda games?

Did they only exist in the land of Hyrule & Termina and the ones in Hyrule all of a sudden decided, forget it, we are leaving. Too many unsolved mysterious regarding this race.

You know about the whole childbirth thing if you talk to one of the gossip stones in oot it mentions that gerudo sometimes come to castle town in search of boyfriends and and if a female is born instead of a male then they know somethings up be it happens EXACTLY 100 years after the last king was born and i guess maybe they ask the goddesses why no boys were born on that day and the goddesses tell them wheather or not the ruler of the gerudo is a queen or not or whos supposed to be the leader of the tribe or when the next king is born.

[Zarom]

I think that the Gerudos go look for boyfriends in Castle Town, but they don't have child with them ... or maybe yes. With their magic powers, they can keep their bloodline clear. Maybe that every 100 years, the goddesses can make a gerudo pregnant like Jesus? And that this child is like the chosen one, the only male? :ganondorf:

[startimer]

well, i'd like to join in on the arguement but it would take me forever and a day to read through all 239 posts which a good chunk i know is people repeatedly giving the gossip stone quote. would someone who's taken part in this arguement please give me a rundown of what was argued, what was settled, what theories were presented, ect.

if not, thanks anyway

btw as of now i think the gerudo being twili is ridiculous but as i said i havent read the whole thread so the evidence may change my opinion

[Steve]

I don't recall this, but it's a good find. I would like to point out that this doesn't say that ALL of the Gerudos were sentenced to death. It just says the criminals of the Gerudo Desert, and, if you recall, there was at least one Gerudo who HATED Ganondorf and she ended up becoming a sage. Who's to say that there aren't other Gerudos like her?

Further than that, the Gerudos are not criminals in their society, only to the Hylians, and considering it was probable that the Gerudos ran the Arbiter's Grounds, I doubt they'd all be executed.

[voltarrow]

gerudo aren't twili a all. 2 reasons. 1st Midna is awoman and gerudos' king can only be a man, and 2nd if u noticed, at the palace of twilight u can see male twili

[Master Kokiri 9]

About the whole they disappeared thing maybe jabu jabu went to the desert to appease it's monster appitite and ate the entire gerudo race:sick:... but seriously maybe they were wiped out by a plague. Maybe the royal family thought that if they sentenced their leader to death then they would try to revolt against them for killing ganny so they sentenced the entire race to death too. Maybe in another 20 years or so nintendo will tell us.

[Clucluclu]

About the whole they disappeared thing maybe jabu jabu went to the desert to appease it's monster appitite and ate the entire gerudo race:sick:... but seriously maybe they were wiped out by a plague. Maybe the royal family thought that if they sentenced their leader to death then they would try to revolt against them for killing ganny so they sentenced the entire race to death too. Maybe in another 20 years or so nintendo will tell us.

You forget that the second in command, Nabooru, hates Ganon/dorf, and there is virtually no way that the Gerudo would revolt because their new leader wouldn't allow it. She would probably rejoice.

[Master Kokiri 9]

You forget that the second in command, Nabooru, hates Ganon/dorf, and there is virtually no way that the Gerudo would revolt because their new leader wouldn't allow it. She would probably rejoice.

Yes but while nabooru aka the sage of spirit does indeed hate ganny her fellow gerudos don't. In fact the other gerudos love ganny. Plus in the child timeline nabooru is probably still brainwashed by twinrova so thinking that it is what nabooru would do her fellow gerudos would revolt. It's simple really. And even if nabooru wasn't brainwashed there would still be a high chance of them revolting against the royal family as ganny was their beloved leader nabooru aside and they would simply ignore or kill nabooru if she said not to revolt. It's simple calculations jeaves.

[Chrono]

gerudo aren't twili a all. 2 reasons. 1st Midna is awoman and gerudos' king can only be a man, and 2nd if u noticed, at the palace of twilight u can see male twili

Ganondorf is a male and was the king of the Gerudo and also the Twili in TP. Zant was a false king. So? One male is born every hundred years. And we know that the Gerudo have long life spans.

[Aurora]

technically midna was the Princess, meaning that when Ganondorf "died" (this is not the time to discuss this) midna was the heir to the throne.

[Zarom]

gerudo aren't twili a all. 2 reasons. 1st Midna is awoman and gerudos' king can only be a man, and 2nd if u noticed, at the palace of twilight u can see male twili

No, the man that is born every hundred years in the Gerudos is destined to become the king of Gerudos, so Zant has to be the king, but his people just don't let him be theirs, so Zant cries and then see his god (Ganondorf). Then, Ganondorf grants him powers to be able to rule the other Twilis... it's all said in the story of Twilight Princess! :D

And they aren't other males in the Twilight Realm. They don't look like males and they don't look like females either, so who knows what they really are?

[Clucluclu]

I think we can compare and contrast Midna and the other Twili to realize that their forms are so different that the other Twili must be male. The only real way to go against this would be to say that they are all morbidly obeese, but this would be an American answer to a Hylian problem, and wouldn't fit. However, to be fair, there is significant in-game evidence that would go against this, but, it is possible that the effects of the Twilight Realm could cause all the males to be born constantly, and one woman every 100 years. But this is just speculation.

[Chrono]

technically midna was the Princess, meaning that when Ganondorf "died" (this is not the time to discuss this) midna was the heir to the throne.

Maybe someone needs to learn about the birds and the bees?

And Ganon never truly dies.