My timeline idea

[master sword]

OK heres what i think
First the legend of zelda + adventure of link.
LoZ has no towns. and link went off to save the land from ganon. after his monsters cleared away people stoped living in caves and made towns when a sleeping spell was cast on zelda and link set off to find the 3rd triforce to awaken her :love: then smoochy smochy, he probably got lucky after that. and he made the sacred relm to protect the triforce and his magic sword became the master sword with the power of the triforce.

2nd Ocarina of time + Majora's Mask + Twilight Princess.
link unlocks the sacred relm years after the statement above. and gannon gets the triforce of power. then ganon is beat and sent to the twilight relm then link saves termina in MM. then when they grow up ganon returns and link saves the world in TP

3rd wind walker + Phantom hourglass
ganon returns and link isnt there to help so the gods flood the place to stop ganon then link comes in the picture just when ganon is coming back and stops him. then the ghost ship sends link and tetra to another dimention and they save that dimention from bellum.

notes: 1 WW+PH must be the last cause in WW the king destroys hyrule
2 LoZ must be first cause its the only one with no towns

[Zemen]

miyamoto already stated a long time ago that OoT is the first game on the timeline. it is the game that introduces ganondorf and ganon, so why would it come after a game that already had ganon in it?

[Skull_Kid]

After that he stated that Four Swords for the GBA was the first, and 3 years after Minish Cap was released, and it is obviously a prequel to FS, so, stop being a pisser

[Zemen]

After that he stated that Four Swords for the GBA was the first, and 3 years after Minish Cap was released, and it is obviously a prequel to FS, so, stop being a pisser

not exactly sure how im being a pisser? whether or not FS is first or MC is first, this guy has the original LoZ first on his timeline so hes still wrong.


so stop being a pisser

[Midna666]

Four Swords sucks.
Let's not count them as canon.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

Four Swords sucks.
Let's not count them as canon.

I pretty sure we HAVE to count it as canon, but I have no idea where it fits in the timeline.

[MrMosley]

I pretty sure we HAVE to count it as canon, but I have no idea where it fits in the timeline.

Most people put it first. Personally, I like to try and find other places for it to go, like in the new Hyrule that would have been discovered after WW. But its whatever. Really, there isn't anything in any of the Four Swords Saga (Mc, FS,FSA) that is big and important enough to put the series anywhere in particular. But they do have to be canon because MC is canon, it connects to FS, and FSA has Ganon in it, so all of them have to be canon.

[Skull_Kid]

Every Zelda game except for the CDI games and Link's Crossbow training, are considered canon, wether you accept it or not

[master sword]

not exactly sure how im being a pisser? whether or not FS is first or MC is first, this guy has the original LoZ first on his timeline so hes still wrong.

how am i wrong for having the first LoZ in my timeline?
its the only one that has no Triforce of Courage.
it has no towns
i can keep going.evil:

[Judai]

how am i wrong for having the first LoZ in my timeline?
its the only one that has no Triforce of Courage.
it has no towns
i can keep going.evil:

Hyrule could have been destroyed and make no towns, and pretty much in AOL, Link has the Triforce of Courage at the start to open the first Zelda's room.

http://www.zeldainformer.com/by-article-type/bombers-articles/theory-articles/index.php

I always go by OOT first than the others, and I don't consider multiplayer games like FS and FSA as official games. Sure they have the name ZELDA in it, but would you consider Wand of Gamelon, the Face of Evil, and Zelda's adventure as games?

Edit:

Oh and should we consider PH before OOT when it after TWW, which TWW comes after OOT? Just because a game doesn't have the ToC in it, doesn't mean it comes first.

[Zemen]

how am i wrong for having the first LoZ in my timeline?
its the only one that has no Triforce of Courage.
it has no towns
i can keep going.evil:

miyamoto himself says that OoT is first on the timeline, then according to skull kid he said FS is before OoT, which would make MC before OoT.

you have LoZ as the first game in your timeline. the creator, himself, says thats wrong, therefor im gonna guess that youre wrong.

[master sword]

ive done some research and i think it goes more like this,
each of the numbers represents an incarnation of link followed by the games he is in...

~1) Ocarina of time + Majora's Mask + Twilight princess
in OoT link aquires the triforce of courage which explains why he has it in TP then link travels to termina to search for navi, he does not find her and returns to hyrule where he grows up for real and has to dispell twilight from the kingdom.

~~) link is not here to stop ganon(dorf) so the gods flood the lands to stop him

~2) Wind Walker, Phantom hourglass
Link aquires the triforce of courage and kills Ganon, then the world began to dry out while that was happening link traveled to another world where he met celia and saved the ocean king.

~~)the land dried out; but the king destroyed hyrule in WW so there were no towns

~3) Legend of Zelda
even though there were no towns ganon came again anyway; BUT link was there to stop him so he did and he aquired both the triforce of wisdom and power

~~)people began to settle in hyrule again nameing several towns after the sages in OoT

~3)Adventure of link
on link's 16th birthday impa told him Zelda fell under a sleeping spell only the triforce can break the spell AND he happens to have the triforce of wisdom and power already AND he was the rightful owner of the triforce of courage so he saved the world and boom he got the girl :brow:

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i know there is a 4th incarnation for ALttP and LA but i havent played those games

[Zemen]

ive done some research and i think it goes more like this,
each of the numbers represents an incarnation of link followed by the games he is in...

~1) Ocarina of time + Majora's Mask + Twilight princess
in OoT link aquires the triforce of courage which explains why he has it in TP then link travels to termina to search for navi, he does not find her and returns to hyrule where he grows up for real and has to dispell twilight from the kingdom.

~~) link is not here to stop ganon(dorf) so the gods flood the lands to stop him

~2) Wind Walker, Phantom hourglass
Link aquires the triforce of courage and kills Ganon, then the world began to dry out while that was happening link traveled to another world where he met celia and saved the ocean king.

~~)the land dried out; but the king destroyed hyrule in WW so there were no towns

~3) Legend of Zelda
even though there were no towns ganon came again anyway; BUT link was there to stop him so he did and he aquired both the triforce of wisdom and power

~~)people began to settle in hyrule again nameing several towns after the sages in OoT

~3)Adventure of link
on link's 16th birthday impa told him Zelda fell under a sleeping spell only the triforce can break the spell AND he happens to have the triforce of wisdom and power already AND he was the rightful owner of the triforce of courage so he saved the world and boom he got the girl :brow:

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i know there is a 4th incarnation for ALttP and LA but i havent played those games

miyamoto says that both TP and WW come 100 years AFTER OoT. this means that WW cant come after TP on the same timeline if they are technically taking place at the same time. thats why there is a split timeline. WW takes place 100 years after adult zelda sends adult link back to his timeline thus creating the adult timeline where there is an adult zelda and a trapped ganondorf but no link. TP takes place 100 years after link arrives back to his childhood thus creating the child timeline. both TP and WW take place at the sametime in their respective timelines.

[master sword]

well EXCUSE ME for trying to make a time line out of these jumbled games

[Zemen]

well EXCUSE ME for trying to make a time line out of these jumbled games

just giving you some information so you can make a better/more informed timeline.

[MrMosley]

Master Sword, no one wants to make you feel bad for coming up with ideas. Its a good thing that you are trying to figure out a timeline. Hell it took me forever before I would come up with one. But the thing is that there has been times that the actual creators have given us hints about where certain things go in the timeline. There have also been different sources from game manuals and in game text that reference events of another game. All of this has led most to create a timeline that is very similar almost every time. For a few of the games, some people disagree. Those are the ones where definite facts or hints have not been clear enough to concrete them within a certain point. There are also games that, at this current point in time, do not matter as to where they go within the timeline, such as Minish Cap. Many believe it comes first, others speculate it can come last. Whether or not it comes in either place right now is not really that important to the other games' continuation. But I do applaude you for attempting to come up with a theory. However it is equally important to do research within the games and information that has been given to us as far as a timeline goes so that you can back up your timeline with reasons for why you have it in such a manner.

[Matthew_79]

Im sorry Master sword, but uh. not trying to be mean, but the little reaserch you have done, shows.

While this vid is not neccisarily accurate it has a lot of good info in it for you http://www.gametrailers.com/player/15194.html


Im not saying that its the truth. Also you cant exclude games from the timeline beacuse YOU havent played them/beaten them yet.

Also w/ the MC thing i made a thread about this when i first joined. MC is linked hevily to FS and FSA, so if you consider MC cannon so should the others and vice-versa. while i consider them cannon they are like a side story, and FS/FSA arnt really full games, so I dont count them when I count the zelda games. (meaning 12 zelda games out now)
Also MC is made by capcom, so.... that might have something to do w/ it or it might not

There is also this but its ment to be saitrical (SP?)
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/29488.html

[MrMosley]

Well, I would consider FSA as a full Zelda title. It was nothing as lame as FS, plus it had Ganon as the final boss. FS, although it is cannon because of its linkage within the "Four Swords Series" (MC, FS, FSA), sucked for many reasons, mainly because of its lack of playability. Without another person with the game and the time for both to agreeingly set down and beat it, it was a pretty useless inclusion to the ALttP GBA version.

[Zemen]

FSA is for sure a full zelda game. its a pretty good game. its as long as any of the 2D zelda games except its made for a 3D gaming system. i liked the game, personally.

[Zlaja]

I think if we all do some our researches we will say different things (not lookin on what myamoto said). I think link is travelling through times now he is in links awakening and then he is in WW and after all that he finds himself in PH...

[Zemen]

I think if we all do some our researches we will say different things (not lookin on what myamoto said). I think link is travelling through times now he is in links awakening and then he is in WW and after all that he finds himself in PH...

im not 100% sure what you mean by this...

it sounds like youre saying that link travels through time and that is why he is in all of the different games, but everyone knows that it is not the same link in each game. Miyamoto has said this many times and it just makes sense.

even if you did research without reading anything that the creators say, you would still be able to tell its not the same link. the back story of WW says that the hero of time never returned, but there is a Link in the time period of WW which means that he is not the same link. even the king of red lions tells the link in WW that he is not related to the hero of time which means that he doesnt even come from the same bloodline as the OoT link. chances are that many of the links are not even related to past links. the only links that are the same in a different game are the ones that are obvious sequels, such as MM link is the same as OoT link and PH link is the same as WW link and so on.

not sure if that is what you were talking about but if it was then i hope this helped you out a bit with your theory on link traveling in time for each game.

[Zlaja]

im not 100% sure what you mean by this...

it sounds like youre saying that link travels through time and that is why he is in all of the different games, but everyone knows that it is not the same link in each game. Miyamoto has said this many times and it just makes sense.

even if you did research without reading anything that the creators say, you would still be able to tell its not the same link. the back story of WW says that the hero of time never returned, but there is a Link in the time period of WW which means that he is not the same link. even the king of red lions tells the link in WW that he is not related to the hero of time which means that he doesnt even come from the same bloodline as the OoT link. chances are that many of the links are not even related to past links. the only links that are the same in a different game are the ones that are obvious sequels, such as MM link is the same as OoT link and PH link is the same as WW link and so on.

not sure if that is what you were talking about but if it was then i hope this helped you out a bit with your theory on link traveling in time for each game.
I wanted to say something like that (my english is teribble) thats why I dont want to write long

[Zemen]

I wanted to say something like that (my english is teribble) thats why I dont want to write long

ok well if thats what you were trying to say then that is impossible. its a different link in each game. he doesnt time travel to different games.

[Zlaja]

he travell from WW to PH.

[Josh]

its a different link in each game.

Lies. :P

That's not true with LoZ, AoL, ALTTP, LA, OoT, MM, WW and PH.

Just had to point that out. :)

[Zemen]

Lies. :P

That's not true with LoZ, AoL, ALTTP, LA, OoT, MM, WW and PH.

Just had to point that out. :)

if you would have read any of the previous posts you would have seen that i already stated that its a different link in each game EXCEPT for certain ones and i even listed which games have the same link so before you make posts like this, read all of the previous posts in the thread.

and for you, Zlaja, he doesnt travel through time to be in PH. PH is a direct sequel to WW, its not like it takes place 100 years after. link doesnt need to travel through time to be in PH, because it follows closely after WW.

[Josh]

if you would have read any of the previous posts you would have seen that i already stated that its a different link in each game EXCEPT for certain ones and i even listed which games have the same link so before you make posts like this, read all of the previous posts in the thread.


Well you just said on so on which is why I felt absolutely compelled to point this out to everyone here.

:mellow:

[master sword]

Master Sword, no one wants to make you feel bad for coming up with ideas. Its a good thing that you are trying to figure out a timeline. Hell it took me forever before I would come up with one. But the thing is that there has been times that the actual creators have given us hints about where certain things go in the timeline. There have also been different sources from game manuals and in game text that reference events of another game. All of this has led most to create a timeline that is very similar almost every time. For a few of the games, some people disagree. Those are the ones where definite facts or hints have not been clear enough to concrete them within a certain point. There are also games that, at this current point in time, do not matter as to where they go within the timeline, such as Minish Cap. Many believe it comes first, others speculate it can come last. Whether or not it comes in either place right now is not really that important to the other games' continuation. But I do applaude you for attempting to come up with a theory. However it is equally important to do research within the games and information that has been given to us as far as a timeline goes so that you can back up your timeline with reasons for why you have it in such a manner.

thank you dark link for you kindly manner in explaining your point

its just when ever i post on this thread Zemen comes in all
:S that didnt happen
:S both 100 yrs after OoT
:S Flelelelelel bleh
he could say it in a nicer way it just felt like he was a Knowitall

please excuse my manerisms Zemen
but also take note of what i am trying to say

[Zemen]

thank you dark link for you kindly manner in explaining your point

its just when ever i post on this thread Zemen comes in all
:S that didnt happen
:S both 100 yrs after OoT
:S Flelelelelel bleh
he could say it in a nicer way it just felt like he was a Knowitall

please excuse my manerisms Zemen
but also take note of what i am trying to say

not very sure how you think im not being nice about it? if i tell you the sun is yellow when you say its blue thats not at all being mean. all i did was give you facts so that you can make a better timeline. if you say something thats wrong im gonna correct you, not say nice try and let that be the end of it.

[master sword]

okay i think were goin a LITTLE off topic so...

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is a prequel to The Legend of Zelda and Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, the first two games released in the series. The back of its packaging states it takes place before The Legend of Zelda. Ocarina of Time is also a prequel, going even further back and implicitly retelling the backstory of A Link to the Past. The Wind Waker takes place hundreds of years after the events of Ocarina of Time. The game explicitly references the "Hero of Time" from that game, and states that, due to the hero's absence, it was necessary to flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. The Minish Cap, Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures include references to other titles and are known to be a part of the timeline, but their exact relationships with other games have not officially been made clear.
In an interview conducted by Nintendo Dream with Eiji Aonuma in December 2006, it was revealed that there are two parallel universes in the Zelda chronology. The timeline is split at the end of Ocarina of Time, when Link is sent back in time by Princess Zelda to live through his childhood, while the original events of Ocarina of Time continue on a different path. Once returned to his original time, Link leaves the Master Sword in its place, preventing Ganondorf's plan from coming to fruition, and goes to see Zelda again, resulting in the "Child Timeline" in which the villain Ganondorf is arrested and tried by the ancient sages. They attempt to execute him, but he overpowers them, and the sages are instead forced to banish him to the Twilight Realm. Twilight Princess then occurs over one hundred years later, after Link's role as a child in the events of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Meanwhile, The Wind Waker occurs in the "Adult Timeline", one hundred years after the Hero of Time saved Hyrule in Ocarina of Time, and it is directly followed by Phantom Hourglass.

i copied this off of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_(series)

the cronology section
in short...


:)Ocarina of time:)
/ --------------------- \
majora's mask ------ Wind Waker
|
Twilight princess ------ Phantom hourglass
\|\ ------------
A Link to the Past
|
Legend of Zelda
|
Adventure of Link


feel free to comment, dont worry about the whole knowitall thing back there im over it and i COMPLETELY understand zemen now TY




by the way...
:facepalm:The sun is SOOOOO blue Y dont U know dat

[Zemen]

okay i think were goin a LITTLE off topic so...

The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past is a prequel to The Legend of Zelda and Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, the first two games released in the series. The back of its packaging states it takes place before The Legend of Zelda. Ocarina of Time is also a prequel, going even further back and implicitly retelling the backstory of A Link to the Past. The Wind Waker takes place hundreds of years after the events of Ocarina of Time. The game explicitly references the "Hero of Time" from that game, and states that, due to the hero's absence, it was necessary to flood Hyrule to stop Ganon. The Minish Cap, Four Swords and Four Swords Adventures include references to other titles and are known to be a part of the timeline, but their exact relationships with other games have not officially been made clear.
In an interview conducted by Nintendo Dream with Eiji Aonuma in December 2006, it was revealed that there are two parallel universes in the Zelda chronology. The timeline is split at the end of Ocarina of Time, when Link is sent back in time by Princess Zelda to live through his childhood, while the original events of Ocarina of Time continue on a different path. Once returned to his original time, Link leaves the Master Sword in its place, preventing Ganondorf's plan from coming to fruition, and goes to see Zelda again, resulting in the "Child Timeline" in which the villain Ganondorf is arrested and tried by the ancient sages. They attempt to execute him, but he overpowers them, and the sages are instead forced to banish him to the Twilight Realm. Twilight Princess then occurs over one hundred years later, after Link's role as a child in the events of Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask. Meanwhile, The Wind Waker occurs in the "Adult Timeline", one hundred years after the Hero of Time saved Hyrule in Ocarina of Time, and it is directly followed by Phantom Hourglass.

i copied this off of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Legend_of_Zelda_(series)

the cronology section
in short...


:)Ocarina of time:)
/ --------------------- \
majora's mask ------ Wind Waker
|
Twilight princess ------ Phantom hourglass
\|\ ------------
A Link to the Past
|
Legend of Zelda
|
Adventure of Link


feel free to comment, dont worry about the whole knowitall thing back there im over it and i COMPLETELY understand zemen now TY




by the way...
:facepalm:The sun is SOOOOO blue Y dont U know dat

one big problem i see with this is that it says MC, FS, and FSA make references to other zelda games. thats not ture, MC DOES NOT make ANY reference WHAT-SO-EVER to any other zelda title. another reason why many people put it first on a timeline.

many would argue that OoT does not make any references to another zelda title and thats why it could be first, but it was made way before MC.

infact i kinda just realized something. the back story of OoT talked about a war over the triforce. the back story of MC talks about a war over the light force. i wonder if it could be the same war. if it is, then this means that they HAVE to be relatively close on the timeline, and it would only make sense for MC to be before OoT because MC has no ganondorf or mention of him

[master sword]

based on what you said the timeline would be the same only MC would be first

looking more like this

Minish cap
|
:)Ocarina of time:)
/\
majora's mask ------ Wind Waker
|
Twilight princess ------ Phantom hourglass
\|\ ------------
A Link to the Past
|
Legend of Zelda
|
Adventure of Link

[Zemen]

based on what you said the timeline would be the same only MC would be first

looking more like this

Minish cap
|
:)Ocarina of time:)
/\
majora's mask ------ Wind Waker
|
Twilight princess ------ Phantom hourglass
\|\ ------------
A Link to the Past
|
Legend of Zelda
|
Adventure of Link

youre forgetting FS and FSA and the OoX series.

[master sword]

well this is just what i copied off of wikipedia KK

not 2 worry ill get t00 those sumtimesoon :wink:

[Mike Pothier]

LITTLE



:)Ocarina of time:)
/ --------------------- \
majora's mask ------ Wind Waker
|
Twilight princess ------ Phantom hourglass
\|\ ------------
A Link to the Past
|
Legend of Zelda
|
Adventure of Link



Thats pretty close to what I feel the timeline is. Put Link's Awakening after A Link to the Past, and I feel thats about the most accurate timeline we have.

[Pinecove]

Before we turn this into a MC debate, I'll say that LoZ and AoL can't come before OoT because OoT is the first time the Triforce is acsessed and LoZ and AoL has the Triforce in them.

[master sword]

---old version---


Minish cap
|
:)Ocarina of time:)
/\
majora's mask ------ Wind Waker-Phantom Hourglass
\|\ ------------
Twilight princess -------
|
A Link to the Past-Links awakening
|
Legend of Zelda
|
Adventure of Link



---new version---


MC
|
(child timeline)-------:)OoT:)-------(adult timeline)

MM

WW

TP .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..... PH


aLttP
LA


LoZ
AoL



i dont think FS/FSA should bein the timeline i dont think they are part of it
B U T
that could mean they are at the beginning the thing is they are a mystery 2me


im gonna goout on a limb and say OoX goes before LoZ ?
go ahead, say it (im serious i duno when to put OoX)
B U T
they cant go on the adult timeline(rightside) due to the fact that its flooded in WW+PH

[Pinecove]

OoX works better after LoZ and AoL because of the state of the Triforce.

[sign of table]

they cant go on the adult timeline(rightside) due to the fact that its flooded in WW+PH So the fact that tMC and FSA are surrounded by water and that the other games atleast have a large body of water some where around them means nothing? Oh and showing a split can be much easier. Try doing it like this. Make 3 lines. Put tMC and/or OoT in the middle line. Put a / on the top line and a \ on the bottom line. Then put tWW/PH after the / and MM-TP after the \. Then just follow up after that.
/tWW/PH
OoT
\MM-TP

See how much easier that is to type and read?

[master sword]

(adult timeline)/ WW-PH

MC--OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX


i'd like to thank- sign of justice -for a better way to display this timeline,
and- pinecove -for where to place OoX

[Smertios]

Okay, I can only use 4 images here, so some of the images are just links, please click them to see the said images ;)


(adult timeline)/ WW-PH

MC--OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX


i'd like to thank- sign of justice -for a better way to display this timeline,
and- pinecove -for where to place OoX

It looks a lot better to understand now :)

Now that I can understand it, I will gladly criticize it.
You see, the Nintendo developers created three alphabets to be used in the Zelda team.

One was used in OoT, implying that it is the alphabet used before the split.
You can find it here: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hylian.htm

Another one is used in TP, indicating that it is the alphabet used in the Child Timeline (CT).
You can find it here: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hylian3.htm

And yet another is used in TWW, indicating that it is the alphabet used in the Adult Timeline (AT).
This one is located here: http://www.omniglot.com/writing/hylian2.htm

In TMC, all the books use TWW alphabet, implying that TMC comes in the AT. Considering FS and FSA are sequels, they should come in the AT too.
http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/******cowboy927/1865-LegendofZeldaThe-TheMinishC-2.png

Now, you are probably thinking about how would Hyrule exist after TWW, considering the flood. For the past three years, the theorizing community has been discussing that. We found out two quotes from TWW to help us in that. The first one is from Daphnes in the end of the game, telling the Hero of Winds and Tetra to find a new land and populate it. The second one is from the Great Deku Tree, from the korok sidequest. The GDT says that they are planting seeds because the trees can bring land back to the surfice.

In my opinion, the GDT plan is the best one to explain how this can happen. Please notice that, in OoA, there is more water than land in the past, and more land than water in the present.
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/images/games/ooa/maps/labpast.gifhttp://www.zeldauniverse.net/images/games/ooa/maps/labpresent.gif

Now, this idea is strenghtened by the fact that Hyrule is shown as a big island in FSA:
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/6642/fsayc9.png
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/4138/fsabirdseyelw1.jpg
You see how Hyrule seems to be the union of several smaller islands in that map?

And in TMC, if you go all the way up to the Palace of Winds, you'll see this image as the background down below:
http://i426.photobucket.com/albums/pp345/Lord_Insizor/minishcaphyruleasisland.png

You see, an ocean with a few islands below. It sounds a lot like TWW, doesn't it?

Now it is a fact that Miyamoto gave an interview when OoT was released, where he confirmed that OoT is indeed the same Imprisoning War mentioned in LttP backstory. But that part of OoT only happened in the Adult timeline. This means that LttP has to come after TWW somehow.
I can't look for it right now, but Zelda legends has a good collection of interviews. You can find it somewhere in here:
http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?n=interviews

Kind of off-topic, but nice:

Q: What about the three soul stones?
Miyamoto: This is an important part of the story, so I'll let you know next time.

Q: Are the soul stones inserted into Ocarina?
Miyamoto: Yes. This is why the holes are empty.

lol

Anyway, back on topic. Please notice that LttP map is almost identical to the FSA map. The biggest difference is that, in FSA, Hyrule is an island, but in LttP it is a landlocked country. Sounds like the GDT plan is woring, right?
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/images/games/alttp/maps/lw-map.gif

So, we are left with OoX, LA and LoZ/AoL. By the same lines we were going, we can say that LoZ/AoL comes after FSA-LttP. In AoL, Hyrule is a massive empire, composed of several cities and two continents!
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/images/games/aol/maps/overworld-hyrule.gif

Also, AoL has to come in the AT because the towns were named after the sages from OoT. But the Sages were only awakened in the Adult Part of the game.

I won't go too much into LA, but it probably comes after LttP, as you put it.

For OoX (this is a generic name to the oracle games, btw, if you didn't get it yet), we have to understand that Ganon needs to be dead before that game. By the time Oox had been released, this had only happened in two games: LttP and LoZ.

Considering Ganon has the trident in OoX and LttP, but not in LoZ, I believe it is wise to assume that OoX is a sequel to LttP.

[master sword]

i have an update

(adult timeline)---------/ WW-PH

FS--MC--FSA--OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)---------\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX

OR
(adult timeline)---------/ WW-PH

MC--FS--FSA--OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)---------\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX

in FSA, doesn't it say there were two previous heros who defeated Vatti
in FS and MC the bad guy is vatti

[Zemen]

i have an update

(adult timeline)---------/ WW-PH

FS--MC--FSA--OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)---------\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX

OR
(adult timeline)---------/ WW-PH

MC--FS--FSA--OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)---------\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX

in FSA, doesn't it say there were two previous heros who defeated Vatti
in FS and MC the bad guy is vatti

the first timeline you posted makes almost no sense because FS cant go before MC. MC is the introduction of Vaati whereas FS already has Vaati in the game. MC is the only one of the three games that has Vaati in his human/minish form whereas FS and FSA have him in Demon form the whole game.

also, FSA cant go before OoT because FSA has Ganon in it and Ganon does not exist or show himself until OoT.

[master sword]

hmmm, then im wrong about FSA BUT

(adult timeline)---------/ WW-PH

MC FS OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)---------\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX

still works

[Zemen]

hmmm, then im wrong about FSA BUT

(adult timeline)---------/ WW-PH

MC FS OoT--<(timeline splits)
(Child timeline)---------\-MM TP LttP-LA LoZ-AoL OoX

still works

ALTTPs BS is about the seal war which only takes place in the adult part of OoT which means ALTTP and all games connected have to go on the AT. all of the games you have on the CT after TP i would put on the AT except for OoX.

[master sword]

(adult timeline)--/-LttP-LA LoZ-AoL WW-PH

MC FS OoT----<
(Child timeline)--\-MM TP OoX

your absolutely right, but why didn't anyone(including me) notice this earlier?
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now all thats left is FSA, we put in FS we have to add its partner. any suggestions?

[Midna666]

ALTTPs BS is about the seal war which only takes place in the adult part of OoT which means ALTTP and all games connected have to go on the AT. all of the games you have on the CT after TP i would put on the AT except for OoX.

The Seal War can't be in the adult time,because Ganon is sealed,and only escapes to be stoped by the great flood.
If ALTTP took place on the Adult Timeline it would have to be before WW.

[sign of table]

You forget, Midna666, that the Swamp Maiden says that Ganon rediscovered the SR and couldn't get out. There was a seal on the SR which explains why he couldn't get out after he reentered.

No game should go between OoT and tWW.

[Midna666]

You forget, Midna666, that the Swamp Maiden says that Ganon rediscovered the SR and couldn't get out. There was a seal on the SR which explains why he couldn't get out after he reentered.

No game should go between OoT and tWW.

ALTTP would still have to take place in the child timeline.
After Wind Waker Hyrule is lose.
There are all sorts of problems if ALTTP takes place on the adult timeline.
1.Hyrule is gone.
2.The tale of the Seal War is gone(If Link and Tetra did start a new Hyrule they would not know any of the legends of the old Hyrule.
3.The Master Sword is stuck in Ganondorf's head,so how does it get to the Lost Woods?
This is why I don't think ALTTP can fit on the adult timeline.

[sign of table]

Hard to say.
But the SW and the fact that FSA is an island is way too hard to ignore.
1. Hyrule can be explained.
2. People already know the story of the HoT...
3. Who knows.

[Midna666]

Hard to say.
But the SW and the fact that FSA is an island is way too hard to ignore.
1. Hyrule can be explained.
2. People already know the story of the HoT...
3. Who knows.

The Seal War might have been retcon by Nintendo,and FSA can be explained away by saying it was for gameplay purposes.
1.Please explain if you can,I'm all ears:).
2. The people of old Hyrule knew the story of the Hero of Time.In WW only the people on Outset Island knew anything about the legend about the Hero,but they did not know about Hyrule itself or about the Sages who played a big part in the legend of the Seal War.
3.I agree with you about point#3.

[Smertios]

(adult timeline)--/-LttP-LA LoZ-AoL WW-PH

MC FS OoT----<
(Child timeline)--\-MM TP OoX

your absolutely right, but why didn't anyone(including me) notice this earlier?
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now all thats left is FSA, we put in FS we have to add its partner. any suggestions?

If I were you, I'd say it goes as
............./-TWW/PH-FS/FSA-LttP/LA-LoZ/AoL
TMC-OoT
.............\MM-TP-OoX

Zemen has succesfully shown points to how TMC could come first, even though I still don't agree, but nobody has ever stated why they think FS comes before OoT as well.

I believe that the manual hints (hints, doesn't imply) that FS and FSA have the same hero, so that could be enough....


The Seal War can't be in the adult time,because Ganon is sealed,and only escapes to be stoped by the great flood.
If ALTTP took place on the Adult Timeline it would have to be before WW.

FSA shows that Ganondorf has been reborn in the Gerudo tribe.

And Miyamoto disagrees with you. He specifically said that OoT is the SW, meaning LttP comes in the AT.

Later, they released FSA, which was clearly a prequel to LttP. But Hyrule was in an island in that game. That just strenghtened the intent for LttP to follow TWW. You can't ignore that...


ALTTP would still have to take place in the child timeline.
After Wind Waker Hyrule is lose.

We generally work with two possibilities:
1. Link and Tetra found a new land, as suggested by Daphnes, and founded a new kingdom there.
2. The GDT plan worked and the islands got bigger forming large landmasses.

Either way, it is pretty plausible that a new Hyrule existed after TWW...


There are all sorts of problems if ALTTP takes place on the adult timeline.
1.Hyrule is gone.
2.The tale of the Seal War is gone(If Link and Tetra did start a new Hyrule they would not know any of the legends of the old Hyrule.
3.The Master Sword is stuck in Ganondorf's head,so how does it get to the Lost Woods?
This is why I don't think ALTTP can fit on the adult timeline.

1. look up this post for this...
2. The Book of Mudora was said to have the legends of Hyrule written in it. That's from LttP, meaning the legends of old Hyrule survived.
3. This is a good argument. I have to say that, if the water level dropped, and the landmasses got bigger, as proposed by the GDT, the MS would simply come back to surfice. Placing it in the pedestal from there would be simple...


The Seal War might have been retcon by Nintendo,and FSA can be explained away by saying it was for gameplay purposes.

If there was a retcon, don't you think Aonuma would have told us so in this (http://www.zeldalegends.net/index.php?n=interviews&id=2004-Berghammer-Aonuma&m=html) interview?

Also, the fact that Hyrule is in an island doesn't add much to gameplay, so there are only gameplay reasons...


1.Please explain if you can,I'm all ears:).
2. The people of old Hyrule knew the story of the Hero of Time.In WW only the people on Outset Island knew anything about the legend about the Hero,but they did not know about Hyrule itself or about the Sages who played a big part in the legend of the Seal War.
3.I agree with you about point#3.

1. The GDT plan...
2. It was written in the Book of Mudora. People didn't have to know it
3. The GDT plan could explain that too...

[Midna666]

You seem to be using the book of Mudora as a answer to everything.
The problem with that is we know so little about the book of Mudora.
When was it made?Does it predate OOT?
And saying OOT is the Seal War would not be the first time Miyamoto messed up something in the timeline.Remember how the sleeping Zelda is suppose to be the original Princess Zelda?

[Smertios]

You seem to be using the book of Mudora as a answer to everything.

It's the same situation I explained with the Book of Mudora in the past. :P


The problem with that is we know so little about the book of Mudora.

Well, you were claiming that it was impossible for the legends about the SW to have existed after the flood, I'm just saying that it isn't impossible.


When was it made?Does it predate OOT?

Well, back when LttP and OoT were released, OoT was the only BS LttP had, so it's a good assumption.


And saying OOT is the Seal War would not be the first time Miyamoto messed up something in the timeline.Remember how the sleeping Zelda is suppose to be the original Princess Zelda?

That's not true. The original japanese says she was the "shodai". That is a word that means founder, like she was the founder of the naming tradition...

[Midna666]

Another problem with the Book of Mudora is that the book is made of paper,which means that it probably would not survive the flooding of Hyrule at the end of Wind Waker.

[Smertios]

Another problem with the Book of Mudora is that the book is made of paper,which means that it probably would not survive the flooding of Hyrule at the end of Wind Waker.

It didn't have to be underwater, it could be in a library in some island...

[Midna666]

It didn't have to be underwater, it could be in a library in some island...

If it was in a library or on some island then someone would have found it,and most likely have tried to teach people about there past.
Yet as we see in Wind Waker,the people don't know about Hyrule or it's legends.
The only legend that survive was the Hero of Time Legend,and only the hero is mention,not the Sages,yet in ALTTP the people know about the Sages.

[Mike Pothier]

Or it could have been sealed in a water-tight chest, like so many other treasures.

But it wasn't. It was written close to LttP's time, because it serves as a translation guide between the CURRENT language and the ancient (presumably OoT) language.

[Midna666]

Or it could have been sealed in a water-tight chest, like so many other treasures.

But it wasn't. It was written close to LttP's time, because it serves as a translation guide between the CURRENT language and the ancient (presumably OoT) language.

If it was written close to ALTTP's time,then again that would cause problems.The memory of Hyrule vanished,only the legend of the hero of Time survived,but the sages are not mention,so at the most the legend of the hero might have survived,but the full legend of the Seal War was lost.

[sign of table]

but the full legend of the Seal War was lost. Proof? Atleast the Seal War would have happened in the correct timeline...

[Midna666]

Proof? Atleast the Seal War would have happened in the correct timeline...

Here's some proof the people on Outset island mention the hero,but the sages are never talked about it's the hero who gets all the credit.
Yet in ALTTP the people seem to know about the Sages,and the role that they played in the Seal War.
So the point is that the Sages played too big of a role in the War to not go down in history alongside the hero.

[Mike Pothier]

If it was written close to ALTTP's time,then again that would cause problems.The memory of Hyrule vanished,only the legend of the hero of Time survived,but the sages are not mention,so at the most the legend of the hero might have survived,but the full legend of the Seal War was lost.

It doesn't go into detail about how much was remembered. In fact, the only thing the opening of WW specifically says was forgotten was eventual fate of Hyrule. Its perfectly reasonable that documentation survived the flood, was eventually gathered, and turned into the Book of Mudora. If so many treasures could be sealed in water tight chests, why not scrolls or books?

[Midna666]

It doesn't go into detail about how much was remembered. In fact, the only thing the opening of WW specifically says was forgotten was eventual fate of Hyrule. Its perfectly reasonable that documentation survived the flood, was eventually gathered, and turned into the Book of Mudora. If so many treasures could be sealed in water tight chests, why not scrolls or books?

It's that in ALTTP it seems like they never had to build a new Hyrule.
I myself don't believe in the new Hyrule theory,but I'm trying to show it in a realistic way.
If I found documents of a old kingdom and was able to create a new land in no way would it be similar to the old land.
But as we see in ALTTP,the people in the new Hyrule seem to know all the old legends by heart.Yet in WW they had no knowledge,it would be impossible for them to know the old legends as well as they do.
Therefore WW and ALTTP can't take place on the same timeline.

[Zemen]

It's that in ALTTP it seems like they never had to build a new Hyrule.
I myself don't believe in the new Hyrule theory,but I'm trying to show it in a realistic way.
If I found documents of a old kingdom and was able to create a new land in no way would it be similar to the old land.
But as we see in ALTTP,the people in the new Hyrule seem to know all the old legends by heart.Yet in WW they had no knowledge,it would be impossible for them to know the old legends as well as they do.
Therefore WW and ALTTP can't take place on the same timeline.

i kind of agree with this for one main reason. the book of mudera or modera or mudora or whatever its called seems like a bible. the bible is a book of legends that are written and basically worshiped. the people of Hyrule seem to worship the book, but who was around after OoT to be able to keep the legends going. and in any case, why doesnt the book seem to mention a previous Hyrule or a previous flood or any of that?

you cant say its because the game was made before WW. if thats the case then there should have been some addition in WW or PH to explain why the book of moasdifghasdfg doesnt have those legends in it or blah blah blah.

my point is that not everyone believes in the bible so why would everyone believe in the book of "m"?

the point that Midna is getting at is that they go from knowing next to nothing about Hyrule to knowing everything about it. it makes no sense.

if its so important then they would have made it some amazing item to retrieve from the sea in WW or PH but this doesnt happen.

i never liked that book (or any book) as a reason for explaining things. its too old to be evidence because you are basically saying that it was made years before a timeline was even thought of so that it could explain a timeline.

[Mike Pothier]

Keep in mind, we don't know everything in the book of Mudora. It could have its own flood story, similar to the Bible's.

[Vaati]

This is my first post here lol...

Alright,

Minish cap is first in the time line, there are few reasons why I say this
1. The hero in the story is dubbed "The Hero of Men" Not the hero of time.
2. And the start of the story, Link wears green but is hat-less untill he meets the mage, who rides on links head-- and after the game he gives link a green hat to wear.
3. It gives a reason why hyrule is over run with monsters.


The seconed in the game is Legend of Zelda: OoT.

But after this, it gets complex, the time-line splits.

There is one hyrule(1), where Link and zelda are children.

In the other hyrule(2) is the one right after OoT, after link saves Zelda, he leaves.

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Meh I have to go for now, i'll try to finsh this later if I get the chance :(

Here is a picture of the time-line I think fits though.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/120/time.png

[Zemen]

Keep in mind, we don't know everything in the book of Mudora. It could have its own flood story, similar to the Bible's.

thats the thing, the book was made into the series before WW was even being thought up so of course there is no flood in it. if there was a flood in it, then it would have been added into the game or spoken of. youre argument is that it COULD have a flood story. my argument is that it COULD NOT have a flood story. it goes both ways and gets us absolutely no further in this argument.

why couldnt they just add a little tid bit about it in WW if they wanted it to be in that timeline later on? or in PH even?

the fact that its not mentioned or found or anything in those two games makes it likely that the book only is about the history around OoT and before it.

also, that would mean that when the book was found, everyone believed in the book no questions asked. lets say that some day we find a book talking about an ancient land that was lost ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED YEARS AGO. would you just automatically believe that its real? no, but if your theory is correct, then all of those people who knew nothing about Hyrule decided they were gonna make a place just like it based off of a book they found...thats quite literally the definition of blind faith.


This is my first post here lol...

Alright,

Minish cap is first in the time line, there are few reasons why I say this
1. The hero in the story is dubbed "The Hero of Men" Not the hero of time.
2. And the start of the story, Link wears green but is hat-less untill he meets the mage, who rides on links head-- and after the game he gives link a green hat to wear.
3. It gives a reason why hyrule is over run with monsters.


The seconed in the game is Legend of Zelda: OoT.

But after this, it gets complex, the time-line splits.

There is one hyrule(1), where Link and zelda are children.

In the other hyrule(2) is the one right after OoT, after link saves Zelda, he leaves.

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Meh I have to go for now, i'll try to finsh this later if I get the chance :(

Here is a picture of the time-line I think fits though.

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/120/time.png

lol thats the gametrailer.com timeline!!

i wouldnt use that as your timeline or you WILL get made fun of..

[sign of table]

lol GT timeline. http://www.zeldainformer.com/2008/05/disproving-the-gametrailers-ti.php#more

That is a pretty good article about the GT timeline.
PS WOOT ZI IS BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!