Ocarina of Time "Mirror Shield"

[Onilink89]

for people who played oot both on n64 and gc may have noticed that the design on mirror shield has changed. personally i don 't know why nintendo changed the symbol, because i liked the old symbol. (apperently not only the logo is changed but more things in the game where also changed)

now i read about this issue, something about a protest. as most of u know the crescent moon and the star resembles the logo of the islam (there are more things in the game thats also from other cultures) and they (don't know who "they "are) protested against it. i'm also a muslim, i think its nonsense.

about the new logo (gc version) after i saw it looked really familiar but i could not figure out why. its as if i seen that logo before somewhere. if somebody knows that please tell me.

Old design
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j177/SwordlessLink/oldmirrorshield.jpg
New design
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j177/SwordlessLink/newmirrorshield.jpg

So which Design is better?

[linkman8]

Personally I like the new design better. I know what you mean about that symbol on the new one, but I just can't think of where I've seen it! If I find out I'll report back.

[Chrono]

The old design fits in well since its the original and all. See Nintendo fo America has been f'n things up with the Zelda series due to religous culture since LoZ. AlttP isnt actually named A Link to the past (which is one reason why I laugh at those trying to make out what that title really means) its true name is Triforce of the Gods. They didnt want the name 'gods' in the title here in the US due to it being offensive to certain people. Its the same scenerio with this mirror shield as onilink stated. Even the freakin original theme music from the Fire Temple was taken out since it too was Islam related...

I personally liked the design of th AlttP one the best, oh and that symbol on the redesgined OoT Mirror Shiled is the Gerudo symbol.

[Onilink89]

The old design fits in well since its the original and all. See Nintendo fo America has been f'n things up with the Zelda series due to religous culture since LoZ. AlttP isnt actually named A Link to the past (which is one reason why I laugh at those trying to make out what that title really means) its true name is Triforce of the Gods. They didnt want the name 'gods' in the title here in the US due to it being offensive to certain people. Its the same scenerio with this mirror shield as onilink stated. Even the freakin original theme music from the Fire Temple was taken out since it too was Islam related...

I personally liked the design of th AlttP one the best, oh and that symbol on the redesgined OoT Mirror Shiled is the Gerudo symbol.


yeah i know some things where changed, i also know about the fire temple and firece deity mask. the fire temple music resembled the prayer chant of the islam. really as i said before, i'm also a muslim but muslim-people critisize 2 much. ok 2 show the face of mohhamed is one thing, thats logical because its forbiddin in our religion. but small things like this has 2 stop. a other thing that pisses me off is also if they do it theirselfs then nothing is wrong. even in turkisch tv channels, they are making commercials about ringtones about a remixed version of the muslim chant.

also the fierce deity mask was called the Kanji mask(japanese) translated to demonic G*d mask (if i'm not mistakaken) so they changed it to fierce deity. onilink means demon-link so it sounds logical.
also in the earlier versions of oot ganondorf coughed up red blood and they changed it to green blood(making it fictional) just because its not T-rated.

i also know about link to the past a.k.a Triforce of the gods. it up to the people if they believe in G*d or not, i mean we are born as indaviduals right? if you are being so offended by the line "triforce of the gods" then don 't buy the frigging game then.

so Avenged i agree with you about this, really some people (i mean the ones who are against it) need to loosen up.

as for the gerudo symbol, i really think that i saw that somewhere before, maybe in a other nintendo game (except for soul calibur2 gc version, that design is also used there).

[RyanNope]

The 'new' symbol was originally on ganondorf's cape

[Kybyrian]

I like the old design better. The second design, it just seems weird because it's really nothing at all. Whereas the design on the first one actually makes a bit sense, and it just looks a bit better to me.

[Alder Dragon]

The old design actually really resembles the islamic crescent and star symbol:

http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/images/Supernatural-Islam-Moon.jpg

And Nintendo was forced to take it out upon later releases of OoT for the N64 and on the Gamecube as well. I like both designs, but I think I like the first one better.

[Kybyrian]

Forced to take it out due to religion issues? =\ I don't see why that's such a big deal, I mean, it's just a video game. And heck they even have Goddesses on Zelda.

[zeypherlink]

I actually liked the old design better...the Cresent and Star is something I've never forgotten from the Zelda series.

[Chrono]

I like the old design better. The second design, it just seems weird because it's really nothing at all. Whereas the design on the first one actually makes a bit sense, and it just looks a bit better to me.

It was the Gerudo symbol and yes Im sure its also on Ganondorfs cape seeing as he is a gerudo and all. And yes, due to religous disputes, as I said before they changed the name Triforce of the Gods to A Link to the Past. And in pretty much every Zelda game,in game text/storylines were also changed in the english version to avoid certain topics. And well Goddesses are seen as a myth, a *** is actual religion.

[Kybyrian]

A Goddess is a female ***, so it's pretty much the same thing, except for the gender.

The Gerudo symbol, eh? Well I don't like it xD

Meh, I guess some people can be offended by that aspect.

[Onilink89]

Forced to take it out due to religion issues? =\ I don't see why that's such a big deal, I mean, it's just a video game. And heck they even have Goddesses on Zelda.

i agree with you 100%.

i don 't see the christians complaining about something like this.
http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/l/loz1.jpg

and that symbol is used like in extreme gore violent games like devil may cry.
its just a symbol, since when do we need copyright premission for symbols that has a religous meaning.

[Chrono]

i agree with you 100%.

i don 't see the christians complaining about something like this.
http://www.ezthemes.com/previews/l/loz1.jpg

and that symbol is used like in extreme gore violent games like devil may cry.
its just a symbol, since when do we need copyright premission for symbols that has a religous meaning.


It isnt copyright permission, its just the whole fact on how politically correct America has to be, namely NOA. As I said...the original games have all the original names and aspects to them in japan. Hyrule Fantasy (dunno why this was changed outside of japan), Legend of Zelda 2 - Adventure of Link (same deal), Triforce of the Gods, Dreaming Island, etc etc etc.

[Onilink89]

uuhm avenged i meant the whole copyright thing sarcasticly, but anyway whats NOA?

[Chrono]

Nintendo...of...America.

[Kybyrian]

Apparently it's just the other countries being all tight up about this religion thing. I don't see why it's such a big deal. It's not like it's discriminating a religion or anything like that. I wish I had the Japanese version >.>

[Onilink89]

Apparently it's just the other countries being all tight up about this religion thing. I don't see why it's such a big deal. It's not like it's discriminating a religion or anything like that. I wish I had the Japanese version >.>

it isn 't a big deal. i'm also a muslim and the only big deal within our religion would be (for example) displaying mohammed his face. for me, i don 't care i mean nobdy knows his real face looks like.

anyway you know about that the fire temple theme that was changed due it sounded like the prayer chant of the islam. man the muslims itself make remixed ringtones of that prayer chant. so first they complain like "that haram haram haram" but if they do it theirselfs its not haram anymore.

Note: haram means forbidden/sacred

[zeypherlink]

It isnt copyright permission, its just the whole fact on how politically correct America has to be, namely NOA. As I said...the original games have all the original names and aspects to them in japan. Hyrule Fantasy (dunno why this was changed outside of japan), Legend of Zelda 2 - Adventure of Link (same deal), Triforce of the Gods, Dreaming Island, etc etc etc.
Well I think it also might have something to do with the names of the games...

Link's Awakening > Dreaming Island

[Chrono]

Uhm yes, it is named Dreaming Island rather than LA.

[Onilink89]

Uhm yes, it is named Dreaming Island rather than LA.
what was the problem with "Dreaming island" why did they change the name.
i knew the original name of Alttp but i don 't see a reason why they changed the name of LA.

[Chrono]

Nothing reaslly, just like Hyrule Fantasy and The Legend of Zelda 2 - AoL...Take MM, out here its Majora's Mask, out there its Mask of Majula (Majora)..every Zelda game is actually different in English that its japanese original.

[Alder Dragon]

I don't want this to turn into a religious discussion, but I think NOA was just playing it safe. I don't think they wanted to turn away people because of that design (which would be just stupid) but I guess some people are like that.

[Onilink89]

if they wanted to play it safe then the original logo would not be there in the first place.
the american and european version alwajs goes trough adjusments before they are released.
so the only reason i can think of is that some group complained about it.

[LegendZ]

i think the old one has a better symbolic choice, and meaning. I prefere the old one.

[Phantom Link]

But... I think the "new" symbol was on pushable/pullable blocks, right? :huh:

[Mehplep]

But... I think the "new" symbol was on pushable/pullable blocks, right? :huh:

Yeah, and it's also the symbol for the Gerudos. However, the old symbol can also be found on floorswitches...

[Chrono]

But... I think the "new" symbol was on pushable/pullable blocks, right? :huh:

As said before, it is the GERUDO symbol. Makes sense since it was found in the GERUDO desert, aka Desert Collosus.

[Abyss Master]

I can honestly say that the old appeals more to me, because it looks more "mysterious" and "magical". Don't ask how I can make that out of a shield, it's just how I feel about it ^^;

[Zenox]

I like the new design, but I don't know why. It IS kinda odd that they changed it. I could've sworn I had that design in my copy of the N64 game though...

[The Zelda Master]

The old design was on all the pushable blocks and such throughout the game, why the same symbol on the Mirror Sheild would be on blocks that can even be found in the Deku tree, beyond th fatc that, yes everyone, it is in fact a game and Nintendo probably merely made one pushable block actor then gave it different sizes and colors. It was chnaged for the aformentioned reasons, etc. Whatever, I chose the first design 'cause i liked it better. *shrugs* just nastolgia i guess.

[Y2K3]

I noticed that they changed it on the blocks, but I never paid attention to the design on the shield, so I hadn't noticed that.
I have to say, on the blocks, I much prefer the old design, but for the shield, I'm not sure which one I like better.

[Jirrup]

I like the new design better. I've nothing against the Moon and Star, but the new one looks more interesting.

I don't see why people complained about the Islamic side to it though. NES Link had the Christian symbol on his shield, and there were no complaits there.

[MrMosley]

Definitely the old one is better. The new design looks like Koume and Kotake's face.

[MajoraKing12]

it was hard for me to choose but i like the old better because of the cool design.i don't remmber what temple do you get it from?

[Twilight warrior]

I like the new design better it looks cooler for some reason to me.

[EponaOwns]

I like the original version better. On the newer one it doesn't suit link or the rest of the shield

[Inflexus]

The new one is more appealing, but it looks like it serves no real purpose, so I'd have to say the old one is better.

Wait, isn't that design Ganon's logo or something?

[Twili123prince]

i like the first one

[Chrono]

The new one is more appealing, but it looks like it serves no real purpose, so I'd have to say the old one is better.

Wait, isn't that design Ganon's logo or something?

Its the Gerudo symbol.

[Inflexus]

Its the Gerudo symbol.

Do the Gerudo's use it anywhere else? I've only seen it with Ganon and dungeons, especially with Wind Waker if I recall.

[Mercedes]

Do the Gerudo's use it anywhere else? I've only seen it with Ganon and dungeons, especially with Wind Waker if I recall.

You know when you go into Gerudo Valley? Its on that sign hanging across the entrance and its also above that...cave where you get the Ice Arrows. =]

Looking at the 2nd design, you can see there's a differance in Graphics slightly but that makes a big differance; compared to the first one, the second symbol is really drab and doesn't look as shiny. Just looks plonked there. >.<

[Alkarius]

New design. Looks more classy. I know I've seen that symbol before though.

[El Bagu]

The old version shield looks more mysterious, exotic somehow, it is almost a masterpiece!!

[Kintenbo]

Didn't the sheild design and the original Fire Temple music change because it angered the Islamic people? That's what I heard, at least for the Fire Temple change anyway. Here's the original for those who don't know: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDcQVzu_kc8

[Y2K3]

For the Fire Temple, I much prefer the newer version.
The chanting on the on the removed version honestly scares me.

[Twili123prince]

Didn't the sheild design and the original Fire Temple music change because it angered the Islamic people? That's what I heard, at least for the Fire Temple change anyway. Here's the original for those who don't know: http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDcQVzu_kc8

Wow i literally looked behind myself like five times listening too that, that is scary. I like the newer one better.

[Onilink89]

nope i still like the old one better.
but what i don 't get is, it doesn 't even sound close to the islamic chant, they are making a big fuss about it. -.-

[Hylian Hobbit]

I could've sworn I posted here already. Oh well. I like the look of the old shield design better. The newer one is okay too. I like the newer version of the Fire Temple music better though.

[Kitsu]

Yes, the music was changed because some people were arguing that is sounded "like Muslim chants". There was even a lawsuit over it, thus Nintendo was forced to change it. I think that that is stupid...

Same thing happened with Ganon coughing up blood.

[Kybyrian]

Honestly, I really don't like the old Fire Temple music. I'm kind of glad that was changed. But still, I think this religion deal is a bunch of bullhockey.

[Petman1325]

I kinda liked the original music for Fire Temple. It makes it sound kinda eeyre.The original symbol was also kinda cool. I think the whole religion thing was a load of B.S! Nintendo didn't origionaly send it through the "Politically Correctness" filter, so it was more of Nintendo's fault for not checking it, not the angry mob...

[yojoel333]

it's the old one. the new one is OK i guess B)

[Axle the Beast]

I have not real opinion on which is better. I like them both.

And to answer your question, I think the second one is the Gerudo symbol. I read that on Zelda Wiki, and I'm not sure on it (though it would make sense, as the Mirror Shield is found in the Spirit Temple, which is in the desert.) It also appears on General Onox's armor in Oracle of Seasons. Not sure why, though.

[Zeanith]

the new one looks like a duck. Quack.

I like the old one. Cresent moons are pretty. Prettier than...quack.

[Chris]

Now, I have a few things to mention. I had a Christmas assembly at school today, it had all these symbols on the walls and I saw the one from the Mirror Shield and I thought, oh cool, I didn't know there was a religion symbol on Zelda.

Also, the old symbol was the best, though I didn't even know there was a diffrence, I never beat the one on Gamecube, only the one on N-64, so I never saw the new design.

And A few other things from other cultures are the Rupees, the Bazaar, and I think there is even more.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

I found the older design to be better looking, but I actually enjoyed playing the Gamecube version more than the N64.

[Zerchito]

I like them both, the old gives an magical feeling (I don't know why :xd:), but the new also pretty good because it is a whole new symbol not taken from real life :D

[UsayEldaZay]

old design is more classic. i do not like the new one, it looks like a christmas ornament!

[Typhingblade]

THe New design is fromt the spirit temple and such...
the old design ... just looked cooler...
it also represented the night and how it was the opposite of the sun...
so it opposed the light...
i still think the Wind waker mirror shield looked alot better...

[Amelie]

I like the old one more then the new one ^^

[mewtwolord]

awwwww i like the one from Majoras Mask but i have to go with the old one it ownz the new one kool when it absorbs the fire and ice

[Master94]

I dont why why but i like the old design better.

[LucarioMaster]

I dont why why but i like the old design better.

i like the new one best, why? It looks cool thts all (it looks like a duck i think) well i don't care, they look cool ether way.

[MOS3]

I read somewhere that the changes made to OoT were not only to its GC version, but later N64 cartridges. So those who have the earlier OoT cartridges have a piece of videogame history in their hands. Now, to the changes. I believe its not only the symbol (I prefer the old one better), but also the music from the Fire temple (something to do with it being similar to an islamic song or something, so they decided to change it). The most absurd change IMO, is ganon's blood going from red in the original version to green in the new one. I mean c'mon, we're not in the snes days when they would remove blood from Mortal Kombat. Even Mortal Kombat II has blood!!1..and lots of it btw. So ganon bleeding red for like...3 seconds is wrong??....ridiculous

[bellum]

well that cresent moon and star thing is kinda dumb fighting over something like that nintendo probably wouldn't do anything like that but I personallt like the old design more the moon kinda reminds me more of a mirror for some reason just so shineeeeee*bellum passes out*

[ChargewithSword]

I like the old one better, more mystical and enchanting to me. Like truly drowning yourself in a mirror.

You know they also changed the blood from when Link slashes Ganon's face three times from red to green.

[bellum]

I like the old one better, more mystical and enchanting to me. Like truly drowning yourself in a mirror.

You know they also changed the blood from when Link slashes Ganon's face three times from red to green.yes I do know that but what does that have to do with anything

the old version reminds me of a mirror the moon looks so shiny and I dont know the new version is just wierd ot me but I dont know why they'd change it but it may be about what Onilink said about the muslim sign is the cresent moon and the star

[stalfo7]

Definitely the old version of the Mirror Shield is what I like. Overall scheme outside of the script design is identical, but I always liked the symbols on the old shield. Changing the symbols not only on the Mirror Shield, but on other items such as moving blocks, did not seem very necessary to me. But who am I to complain? I didnt take the time to make it, I just played it ;)

[Hammer Bro. Mike]

I like the old one but the new one is good as well. It doesn't bother me but sometimes when I'm using the Mirror Shield on GCN/Wii, it kinda annoys me sometimes because I think I'm gunna see the old symbol.

[Bob Majinki]

I read somewhere that the changes made to OoT were not only to its GC version, but later N64 cartridges. So those who have the earlier OoT cartridges have a piece of videogame history in their hands. Now, to the changes. I believe its not only the symbol (I prefer the old one better), but also the music from the Fire temple (something to do with it being similar to an islamic song or something, so they decided to change it). The most absurd change IMO, is ganon's blood going from red in the original version to green in the new one. I mean c'mon, we're not in the snes days when they would remove blood from Mortal Kombat. Even Mortal Kombat II has blood!!1..and lots of it btw. So ganon bleeding red for like...3 seconds is wrong??....ridiculous

I can explain this actually.

The original Mirror Shield had the Islamic crescent symbol on it. You can see this on the flags of Turkey, Tunisia, and other Muslim countries. That wasn't the main thing that was changed, but rather the Fire Temple music. Basically, the Fire Temple original music had multiple Islamic versions in it such as "La'illaha ellaha Allah" and "Allahu Akbar" (I'm doing my best to romanize Arabic, forgive me)

The Muslims who played the game asked kindly for Nintendo to change it, because the Fire Temple represented hell, and saying God's name in hell generally doesn't bode too well. Nintendo was respectful of their culture and made that change, as well as other changes, to the later versions.

What surprises me most is that the Japanese actually had legit Islamic verses, I honestly thought that most Japanese were ignorant of any culture close to Arabia; I suppose not.

[Alder Dragon]

I like the old version better, because I'm used to it. Though, in aspects of design, I like the symmetry of the newer one. It seems a bit sloppily done, though.

[skynet136]

this just proves america tries to be the "perfect" contry. that is one reason(the new design). second reason is we changes B.C.(before crist) to B.C.E. (before common time)

[Kaynil]

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j177/SwordlessLink/oldmirrorshield.jpg

Maybe it is just because of nostalgia, since this is the one I am used to see him with the reason I like him more. I always found it cool. Not saying the other one doesn't look nice, but I think the Moon shape fits better there... xD

[peanutjoepap]

I like the old version better because it looks cooler, and the new version has the gerudo symbol on it, so its like your advertising for the enemy.

[Avia Rayne]

about the new logo (gc version) after i saw it looked really familiar but i could not figure out why. its as if i seen that logo before somewhere. if somebody knows that please tell me.



I think I know where you saw it before: I'm pretty sure Vernan from OoA has that symbol on her dress.

[HerosDescendant]

What is the big deal about a symbol from a religion being in a video game. If anything, muslims should be honored that their symbol was in the game.

And I've heard the old Fire Temple music, like, a million times, and it does not sound like they are saying anything. Besides, it gives it a kind of mystical feel to it, not like the newer version, which just sounds like mechanical crap.

Another thing they changed in the newer version of OoT is that they sped up some of the cinematic scenes, like when Ganondorf changes into
Ganon. I was like, huh?! The slower speed made it more epic and suspenseful. Now it's like, "what happened, I blinked and missed it."

[Zeruda]

What is the big deal about a symbol from a religion being in a video game. If anything, muslims should be honored that their symbol was in the game.

And I've heard the old Fire Temple music, like, a million times, and it does not sound like they are saying anything. Besides, it gives it a kind of mystical feel to it, not like the newer version, which just sounds like mechanical crap.

Another thing they changed in the newer version of OoT is that they sped up some of the cinematic scenes, like when Ganondorf changes into
Ganon. I was like, huh?! The slower speed made it more epic and suspenseful. Now it's like, "what happened, I blinked and missed it."

Not all people are up to having their religious symbols/icons thrown about as if they were no longer important. What really bothered people was that the symbol as well as the chanting are not to be used outside of importance. It may be a little difficult for some people to understand because today people are more and more lenient about the portayal of their religious icons, but some things are incredibly sacred, and both the mirror and the chanting just really insulted and angered people.

Anyway, in my opinion, I did like the older version much more. Design-wise, it was more pleasing to the eye. I'm not bothered that they changed it, but I'm not exactly happy with their newer choice of design.

[Immortal_One]

Not all people are up to having their religious symbols/icons thrown about as if they were no longer important. What really bothered people was that the symbol as well as the chanting are not to be used outside of importance. It may be a little difficult for some people to understand because today people are more and more lenient about the portayal of their religious icons, but some things are incredibly sacred, and both the mirror and the chanting just really insulted and angered people.

Anyway, in my opinion, I did like the older version much more. Design-wise, it was more pleasing to the eye. I'm not bothered that they changed it, but I'm not exactly happy with their newer choice of design.
That's the truth. Sometimes people of Islamic faith are offended by such imagery that means so much to them used for something of less importance to them, IE video games, because it comes off more as mocking than anything else. Think of it like this:

They're using the star and crescent on something that doesn't even pertain to Islam in anyway. How could they use such a holy symbol of mine for something as minuscule as a video game?

Rather than this:

Woah, Nintendo took a holy symbol of ours and used it in their video game! That's awesome, even if it doesn't have anything to do with Islam!

This reminds me of Nintendo having to change the color of the Pokemon Jynx from black to purple. Allegedly, it resembled a stereotypical African American woman than what Nintendo wanted the pokemon to resemble, which was evidently some sort of social group in Japan at the time.

[shadowlink626]

i honestly like the newer version but i dont really see anything wrong the older version. and i dont see how its a bad thing that it resembled islam.
but i geuss it was wrong to some people :(

[x-Link-x]

I like the old designs for the pure sake of originality.
How it was meant to be is the way that it should have stayed, I mean it was a shield a sign of protection, I wouldn't see why anyone would take that offensively, not like they're using the symbol for an actual weapon to cause damage. But w/e, people will be people. =)
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[megacat333]

i loved the old design and i only have the gc version of the game i wish they keeped it :'(!!!!!!!!!!!!somtimes i call it the moon shield,dosen't that sound cooooool!!!!! this is just a guess but i think i have seen that symbol im MM.

[Shadow Wolfo]

The New logo is ongthe blocks and the shield same with the Old version.

I like the way the moon looks on the old version so I pick the old one.

[Master Kokiri 9]

I personally like the old version of the oot mirror shield i wish that they would of had it in all the oot versions but what can you do. I really would go online and buy the n64 version just so i could play it to use the old design but i sold my n64 a couple years ago so i would buy an n64 and controlers but i won't because i already have it on the virtual console.

[nfl797]

I like the older version better because that just what I all ways saw when i was younger

[Dungeon killer]

I like the old retro version it looks cooler and was the original design for the Mirror Sheild!:nerd:

[Faedeur]

Very interesting. I never noticed that before. Hard for me to choose.