MM tune Oath to Order: Something I noticed

[MrMosley]

The Oath to Order is made up of six notes. Those notes are identical to the first six of the United States National Anthem. Anyone else realize this? Could this have been done on purpose?

[Zeanith]

Oh my god....I've never noticed that...but then again I'm not too familiar with the National Anthem. Very possible it was their intention. Very cool find, though.

[Y2K3]

Ooooo, so that's the Anthem on the States! I've always wondered.
So... I clearly hear it. Personally, I'd think it was accidental, but one never can be too sure.

[Hylian Hobbit]

That's interesting, I never realized it. I think it was probably just coincidence as well, but it is possible.

[Hanyou]

That's awesome! I never noticed it either, but it's pretty amazing that it would be in the game XD

Good find.

[Chris]

Dang, I am from Canada, I don't know the U.S one. Only the Canadian National Anthem.

[Judai]

Interesting... I forgot the National Anthem to the States, just simply cause no one uses it.

[Kybyrian]

O' say can you see, by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed, at the twilight's last gleaming. Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous fight. O'er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly streaming. And the rockets red glare, the bombs bursting in air, gave proof through the night, that our flag was still there. O' say does that star spangled banner yet wave? O'er the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

Lyrics from my memory. There's a lot more to it but they only teach us the first part.

But anyway, I never did notice this, but now that you mention it and I actually go back to play MM and listen to the tune, I do notice it.

[linkman8]

Believe it or not, I actually noticed this the very first time I played the song on MM. I first played it, and I was thinking, "You know that sounds like - Nevermind." I thought it was stupid, but I guess other people noticed it as well.

[bellum]

woah this is interesting, next time I"m on MM I'll play it and check.I don't think nintendo did it on purpose,they're japanese you know so how'd they know.I think it was a total fluke.

[Kitsu]

I've always liked this song, and noticed a certain something about the first three or so notes, but I could quite discern what it was. I never realised that it was from the American Anthem. I find that rather interesting, and I would it's completely coincidental, but there are other aspects of the game that seem to reflect real-life things. (Take the Indigo-go's for example).
I would imagine it wasn't intentional, but I'm sure it could of also been done on purpose.

[Vincent]

I see what you're getting at, and the notes are indeed similar, but they're layed out differently. The notes in Oath to Order are much more dragged out than that of National Anthem.

[MrMosley]

I see what you're getting at, and the notes are indeed similar, but they're layed out differently. The notes in Oath to Order are much more dragged out than that of National Anthem.

Yeah, but playing them they are the same exact notes as the ones which begin the anthem. I think if they done it on purpose, then they wouldn't have made it just like the anthem. That would be too obvious. At least I wouldn't do it that way. I'd make em think a little bit.

Plus the name Oath to Order just sounds American to me for some reason. Almost like America is the main order of the world. Well, at least used to be. Not so sure about now. But like in past wars and things, America would come in and blow stuff up, make people listen, that sorta thing. So their anthem would be an "oath to order", almost as if they played it as they were going to war, saying "Alright, we need some order here!"

[LozzyKate]

I've never even noticed that. That is really strange. Maybe Japan likes us after all. lol.

[Austin]

Hey, don't forget. When the King of Ikana teaches you the Oath to Order he says something about leaving the heart behind, and only having emptiness remain. If it isn't a coincidence, it may be more of a criticism than an homage :P.

[eponafan]

O' say can you see, by the dawn's early light, what so proudly we hailed, at the twilight's last gleaming.

And, there is the fact of the word: Twilight in there, means they could have(not likely) gotton the idea to base a game off twilight...

[JosephII]

A few of the notes are slightly different. I think its the difference of major and minor keys.

[Axle the Beast]

Hey, don't forget. When the King of Ikana teaches you the Oath to Order he says something about leaving the heart behind, and only having emptiness remain. If it isn't a coincidence, it may be more of a criticism than an homage :P.
Actually, the song you're thinking of is the Elegy of Emptiness. The Oath to Order is taught to you by the first Giant you save, and is played to call the four giants to stop the moon. ;)


It is interesting that it has the same notes. But I'd be willing to bet it doesn't mean anything. Maybe they're saying that the US is awesome and will save everyone, but that doesn't sound possible at all. :xd:

[TriforceHunter]

Hey, don't forget. When the King of Ikana teaches you the Oath to Order he says something about leaving the heart behind, and only having emptiness remain. If it isn't a coincidence, it may be more of a criticism than an homage :P.

Umm...No, actually the King of Ikana teaches you "Elegy of Emptyness", The first giant teaches you "Oath to Order" after you save him from the fist temple.

[Austin]

Actually, the song you're thinking of is the Elegy of Emptiness. The Oath to Order is taught to you by the first Giant you save, and is played to call the four giants to stop the moon. ;)
Arg.... the alliteration threw me off. Embarrasing :embarrassed:


Umm...No, actually the King of Ikana teaches you "Elegy of Emptyness", The first giant teaches you "Oath to Order" after you save him from the fist temple.
I understand not reading through the entire thread, but maybe check the post right above yours?

[TriforceHunter]

Arg....
I understand not reading through the entire thread, but maybe check the post right above yours?

I swear I didt see Axle's Post. He Posted like 3 minutes before I did, besides I'm a slow typer(And I was on Skype too). and I had to check for spelling errors and whatnot...

[MarinetheWitch]

Yeah, I noticed all right. I just didn't know the name of the song.

[TheSerpent]

Hey, don't forget. When the King of Ikana teaches you the Oath to Order he says something about leaving the heart behind, and only having emptiness remain. If it isn't a coincidence, it may be more of a criticism than an homage :P.

He teaches you the elagy of emptyness.

You need to replay it! XD

[DeadCat]

You don't get the Oath of Order from the K...no i'm kidding, this is a very interesting fact, but if it's not just a coincidence, what would that mean? That USA is gonna be there to save your ***, but at the end you still have to deal with it yourself? But why would japan pay an hommage or give a slap to US face in Zelda?
Maybe there's more of those subliminal message through the game.

[Zeruda]

It's possible that it's just another reference. They had a Turkish flag for the Gerudo in OoT. There are lots of things like that in Zelda, so it's very possible that it's just a reference... still, I don't think it's very probable. It's probably just a coincidence.

[Raven]

now that's a coinkidink! I'm not from America but they're anthem get's on TV quite a bit for sporting events and such. I think it's neat that you made this connection however while it might have seemed intentional, I highly doubt the the Zelda team considers other songs for their Ocarina Melodies. Those quick songs are more of a little diddie than an intro to an entire anthem. However I wonder if the Zelda staff already know this??

[43ForceGems]

WOAH!!! I've never noticed that, and it's also most likely just coincidence. Because it would make more sense for it to be the Japanese anthem, I don't think they would just do it for another country. It's like Hollywood making a movie and putting the German anthem as the main theme. It just doesn't make sense, so either Nintendo was really stupid when designing that song, or it's pure weird coincidence.