View Full Version : What's Up With The Goron?
Zemen
12-06-2008, 04:41 PM
the only Gorons in the game (that i know of) are the traveling merchants, and i think its the same merchant (is it?), but anyway, where are the Goron at. if WW takes place hundreds of years after the flooding took place, and there is at least one Goron around then wouldnt that mean there are others?
Nah. Each one is different. Proven by the fact that one of them is looking for something that another has.
Axle the Beast
12-06-2008, 04:43 PM
No, all the Traveling Merchants are different Gorons.
I don't know everything, but there are apparently Gorons around, since the Merchants are there. There are more of them in Phantom Hourglass, which is a sequel to WW. There's a whole island inhabited by them. But I haven't played PH. T_T
Zemen
12-06-2008, 04:44 PM
so the map in WW is not the whole world map right? because isnt PH just like a completely different map and completely different islands? maybe the merchant Gorons just came from a different part of the ocean that is not apart of the WW map.
PH is supposed to be some sort of dream world. So it isn't connected to the TWW map at all.
Axle the Beast
12-06-2008, 04:46 PM
so the map in WW is not the whole world map right? because isnt PH just like a completely different map and completely different islands? maybe the merchant Gorons just came from a different part of the ocean that is not apart of the WW map.
Not one Zelda game had a completely comprehensive map. Even games which took place a very short time after on another (OoT and TP, for example) don't include the same areas.
So, yeah. The maps were probably meant to kind of go together. They're just places you don't go to in the other game.
Keep in mind, every single Zelda game is at least a little stand-alone.
EDIT:
PH is supposed to be some sort of dream world. So it isn't connected to the TWW map at all.
Oh, nevermind. That's weird...
Zemen
12-06-2008, 04:48 PM
well if PH is a dream world, then that means that the goron island in the game doesnt exist, which still does not explain where the Gorons are or the merchant gorons came from. also, at the end of PH, Link still has the phantom hourglass with him, proving that the adventure he went on, really took place.
Well sure it takes place. That doesn't change the fact that it isn't physically connected to the rest of the world.
Axle the Beast
12-06-2008, 04:51 PM
Well, one way or another, the Gorons are around.
Maybe they're a nomadic, gypsy-sort now. Who knows? We need more games that take place in the Great Sea.
Zemen
12-06-2008, 05:00 PM
i disagree. no more great see games, instead they need a game inbetween OoT and WW, but we will never get that because we know that there wasnt a Link between those two games. unless they make a spin off game, i dont think we will know the specifics of the flood and the people who survived it.
Axle the Beast
12-06-2008, 05:01 PM
You wouldn't want to see more of what happens in the future of the Great Sea (world)?
Zemen
12-06-2008, 05:13 PM
we pretty much know what happens, and it depends on what people think.
Link and Tetra find a new land to start a new Hyrule. thats about it. they have two games in the same world, there shouldnt be anymore than that. OoT and MM, LoZ and AoL, OoS and OoA, WW and PH...
we dont need a sequel to PH, make a new zelda in a new time period.
Axle the Beast
12-06-2008, 06:15 PM
Eh, I guess. I think they should explore more of their existing time periods personally.
Zemen
12-06-2008, 06:30 PM
if they do that, then HUGE gaps between the games wont get explained, and i believe those are more important if we ever want a clear timeline.
if they do that, then HUGE gaps between the games wont get explained, and i believe those are more important if we ever want a clear timeline.
Nintendo typically ignores huge gaps between the games. They don't really care. It is annoying. But that is how it is.
Zemen
12-06-2008, 06:49 PM
im basically saying, there are enough sequels to games. make something new.
owenshev
12-11-2008, 02:57 PM
They should finish off the great sea games with something like the unflooding of Hyrule. I doubt it'll be made, but, meh, I may as well say it.
I thought sequels WERE new...
Midna666
02-01-2009, 12:31 PM
They should finish off the great sea games with something like the unflooding of Hyrule. I doubt it'll be made, but, meh, I may as well say it.
I thought sequels WERE new...
We don't know for a sure that Hyrule is unflooding.
blackmoon
02-18-2009, 09:58 PM
Each main game in the series is followed by one direct sequel. Then they cut off.
Each of the first games in any set of two "main" games features Ganondorf, and usually takes place in Hyrule. Link then typically goes to a dream world or alternate dimension, and defeats another villain. The only exception to this is Adventure of Link, which takes place in the lands surrounding Hyrule.
Obviously, the spin off games (The Four Swords series, the Oracle series, Tingle) don't count for this formulae.
Btw, the Gorons simply make a minor appearance in TWW. That doesn't mean there are only three Goron's left, it just means that you don't see everywhere in the whole world.
If we assume there are only three Gorons left in TWW, we must also assume that we see ALL of EVERY island. That means we saw all of Windfall island - supposedly a merchants island - but I didn't see one general store or farm on the island. In fact, I didn't see a farm in the whole game! Obviously, we don't see the entire world - otherwise it would take hours to climb Death Mountain in OoT, instead of a couple of minutes.
Twilight Mask
02-22-2009, 04:21 AM
I agree with blackmoon, there might be more gorons, just only a few
left their islandd to be merchants,:thinking:
Maybe an island off of the map?:clap:
I hope there is another great sea game so we can learn more about
what happens, or maybe a game in between OoT and TWW just like
Zemen125 said!;)
Vincent
02-22-2009, 04:35 AM
PH is supposed to be some sort of dream world. So it isn't connected to the TWW map at all.
That's not 100% proven. Link still had the Phantom Hourglass, and we saw Linebeck's ship in the background.
Zemen
03-03-2009, 12:02 AM
I agree with blackmoon, there might be more gorons, just only a few
left their islandd to be merchants,:thinking:
Maybe an island off of the map?:clap:
I hope there is another great sea game so we can learn more about
what happens, or maybe a game in between OoT and TWW just like
Zemen125 said!;)
i would like to see a game that explains what happens between OoT and WW.
the BS for WW is VERY vague. of course, this game would never be made because there would be no link.
That's not 100% proven. Link still had the Phantom Hourglass, and we saw Linebeck's ship in the background.
many people believe this to be the same case as in LA.
LA took place in a dream but the fact that when Link wakes up at the end, he sees the wind fish swimming away makes him realize it was kind of a real dream (oxymoron =])
in PH, its obvious that they had to be in another dimension or something because the crew says they were gone for ten minutes but the adventure obviously lasted longer than that to them. we also see that link pulls out the PH at the end which shows that it was real but it wasnt real to others.
Johnny Boy
03-06-2009, 08:41 PM
Maybe almost all of the Gorons were killed off, because they can't swim that good.
When the floodwaters came in, they all drowned. >.<
What's remaining is just a few merchants trying to make a living.
Midna666
03-07-2009, 06:16 AM
Maybe almost all of the Gorons were killed off, because they can't swim that good.
When the floodwaters came in, they all drowned. >.<
What's remaining is just a few merchants trying to make a living.
Just because we don't see that many Gorons in Wind Waker does not mean that they were killed off.
I think that the reason we don't see that many Gorons in WW is because for game play purposes there was no point in seeing them.
Zemen
03-18-2009, 03:02 PM
Just because we don't see that many Gorons in Wind Waker does not mean that they were killed off.
I think that the reason we don't see that many Gorons in WW is because for game play purposes there was no point in seeing them.
agreed. there could be a far off island that you dont ever go to or see that has a community of Gorons living there. the merchants never mention anything about their race being endangered so im assuming they arent. also, that would mean that the few merchants that are left are 100 years old or older because of the amount of time that takes place between OoT and WW
Most likely they were wiped out....at least most of them....remember that Goron can't survive on water because they're too heavy and can't float. So my guess it's most of them are either dead, or evolution took over, seeing they're not very fit to live in this world and there's only a few left. Maybe they evolved into something else. Who knows...
Zemen
03-18-2009, 06:57 PM
Most likely they were wiped out....at least most of them....remember that Goron can't survive on water because they're too heavy and can't float. So my guess it's most of them are either dead, or evolution took over, seeing they're not very fit to live in this world and there's only a few left. Maybe they evolved into something else. Who knows...
as i said, there is absolutely no evidence to support they are dying out. if your race was dying out would you really be traveling the world selling stuff or would you be trying to save your race? chances are that they arent in the game because they werent important to the story. the fact that a few are in the game is pretty good evidence that they are around somewhere and you just never get to go to where they live. i would think that the merchant Gorons would be a little distressed over the fact that there arent many Goron in the world, but they are fine and dandy.
Shnappy
03-18-2009, 07:02 PM
I too, am surprised that the Gorons are actually there after the flooding of Hyrule. But then again, think about it. In Twilight Princess, at Zora's Domain, there is one part underwater where there are, I think, a couple of Gorons. Maybe Gorons can breathe underwater, I don't know, but I'm pretty confident that they actually can.
Zemen
03-18-2009, 07:03 PM
I too, am surprised that the Gorons are actually there after the flooding of Hyrule. But then again, think about it. In Twilight Princess, at Zora's Domain, there is one part underwater where there are, I think, a couple of Gorons. Maybe Gorons can breathe underwater, I don't know, but I'm pretty confident that they actually can.
they definitely cant. they cant even swim. in MM, when Link turns into a Goron, you would always drown/get hurt when you jumped in water.
as i said, there is absolutely no evidence to support they are dying out. if your race was dying out would you really be traveling the world selling stuff or would you be trying to save your race? chances are that they arent in the game because they werent important to the story. the fact that a few are in the game is pretty good evidence that they are around somewhere and you just never get to go to where they live. i would think that the merchant Gorons would be a little distressed over the fact that there arent many Goron in the world, but they are fine and dandy.
People die everyday in this world and I don't see you doing anything to save "your" race..... I don't mean to sound harsh....my point is....the fact that their race could be dying.... doesn't mean every single Goron is gonna try and save it. Not everyone is a hero.....not everyone has a triforce of courage and goes out trying to save the world (or its race for that matter) Your are speculating as much as I am...you don't have anything to support what your saying, just like me. And as for them being "fine and dandy"? I don't recall them saying "we have a happy fullfiling life as travelling merchants"....for all we know they could be living in those rafts....not very fine and dandy if you ask me.
Zemen
03-18-2009, 07:25 PM
People die everyday in this world and I don't see you doing anything to save "your" race..... I don't mean to sound harsh....my point is....the fact that their race could be dying.... doesn't mean every single Goron is gonna try and save it. Not everyone is a hero.....not everyone has a triforce of courage and goes out trying to save the world (or its race for that matter) Your are speculating as much as I am...you don't have anything to support what your saying, just like me. And as for them being "fine and dandy"? I don't recall them saying "we have a happy fullfiling life as travelling merchants"....for all we know they could be living in those rafts....not very fine and dandy if you ask me.
hahahahahahahaha you cant compare what i said to the real world. there is a huge difference. of course im not out saving my race. my race consists of 6 billion+ people. were are hardly endangered. now if those merchant Gorons are the only ones, that is COMPLETELY different. rather than selling flowers, they would be more focused on how terrible it is they are dying out. also, no one else in the game seems to care that there are only a few of them which is a sign that its not at all a big deal. PH has Gorons in it. many people put a majority of the games after WW on the AT and a good number of those games have Gorons in them which means that if they go on that timeline after WW there must have been gorons somewhere for them to keep living on.
a better question is, how do they reproduce? ive never seen a female goron.
hahahahahahahaha you cant compare what i said to the real world. there is a huge difference. of course im not out saving my race. my race consists of 6 billion+ people. were are hardly endangered. now if those merchant Gorons are the only ones, that is COMPLETELY different. rather than selling flowers, they would be more focused on how terrible it is they are dying out. also, no one else in the game seems to care that there are only a few of them which is a sign that its not at all a big deal. PH has Gorons in it. many people put a majority of the games after WW on the AT and a good number of those games have Gorons in them which means that if they go on that timeline after WW there must have been gorons somewhere for them to keep living on.
a better question is, how do they reproduce? ive never seen a female goron.
lol I'm not comparing, just making a point, that the fact your race could be dying, doesn't mean everyone's gonna try and save it. As for how they reproduce....good question...I've never seen a female goron either O.o
Master Kokiri 9
09-03-2009, 07:54 PM
All the travelling merchants are different gorons. The reason is cuz they're looking for what the others have.
Link Master
10-22-2009, 08:05 PM
Do not forget the great flood covered Hyrule and Gorons are rocks but however they can survive because if you got all the bomb bags in TP then you know what I am talking about. If I remember there is no Death Mountain in the game so that might explain it and perhaps the merchant(s) came from a land from far away.:goron:
Zarom
10-24-2009, 09:43 PM
Do not forget the great flood covered Hyrule and Gorons are rocks but however they can survive because if you got all the bomb bags in TP then you know what I am talking about.
The Gorons are not rocks, they are a race who is possibly MADE of rocks. The Gorons in TP have adapted to water, because they couldn't go in it in MM. Just like humans have evolved.
If I remember there is no Death Mountain in the game so that might explain it and perhaps the merchant(s) came from a land from far away.:goron:
There is a Death Mountain in the game, and it is Dragon Roost Island. (That is the most likely theory)
Anyway. First, the Gorons are the traveling merchants, and they are different people. Because that is that.
I also think the Gorons didn't survive the Great Flood. Except for those 3. :goron::goron::goron: The other ones died, because of water.
Onilink89
12-01-2009, 12:56 PM
I think its pretty logical. but before i start my opinion about this, all i want to say is that PH may be a sequel but its a different dimension. In other words, its not connected to hyrule.
One thing is a fact in the game. King of red Lions explained that the people took refuge to the mountains before the hyrule was flooded. some of those mountains are islands, for example, the earth and wind temple.
We know that the kokiri became koroks and adjusted their form so they can survive.
The reason that the zora evolved to ruto is unknown. Even though they are aquatic lifefroms, they still evolved. Maybe the sea became too dangerous and also took refuge to the mountains. Thats the only logical reason i can come up with.
As for the gorons, the gorons already lived in the mountains from the very beginning. That would explain that they didn't evolve in the first place. Maybe some of the surviving gorons became merchants to make a living. Or there is also a possibility that they lived at Greatfish Isle, who knows.
Nah. Each one is different. Proven by the fact that one of them is looking for something that another has.
Either that or they have short term memory loss. O.o
Justin
04-11-2010, 10:06 PM
To end the curiosity of Gorons in Wind Waker, I made this short youtube video confirming the traveling merchants in Wind Waker are in fact Gorons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0di1KEFhPo
MetaPwn
04-11-2010, 10:26 PM
how do gorons have children? they all call eachother brother too, making it harder to disengish males and females. with zoras and dekus its easy- eggs and both genders. but how can 3 gorons have enough genetic diversity to repopulate?
Deku Master
05-05-2010, 11:24 AM
It's no mystery why there were a shortage of Gorons in TWW. Gorons are not used to water, and couldn't survive the flooding. Only a few (the merchants) were able to survive and find refuge on the mountaintops (islands). The Gorons, for some reason, have their own island in PH. How did they regenerate so fast?
athenian200
05-05-2010, 11:56 AM
The opposite of down with the Goron. ;)
Hehe. I think there are probably other Gorons in the world, but we don't see them since they're not essential to the game.
Alternatively, it's possible that the three we meet were the only survivors, and some were female (not that we could tell). That means they might have eventually met each other and remade the Goron race. We don't know the gestation period or lifespan of Gorons, so all we can do is speculate.
Master Makar
05-08-2010, 07:49 AM
Well, since the gorons are merchants, they probably come from goron island.
Bigelover88
05-14-2010, 04:45 PM
how do gorons have children? they all call eachother brother too, making it harder to disengish males and females. with zoras and dekus its easy- eggs and both genders. but how can 3 gorons have enough genetic diversity to repopulate?
I hope you haven't forgotten OoT where adult Link meets the young Goron who is named after him by his FATHER and also in PH you have to work together with the son of the Goron chief so yep Gorons do have children.
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