Is OOT the Imprisoning war?

[Midna666]

OOT can't be the Imprisoning war.
If OOT is the Imprisoning war it would have to take place in the adult timeline,which means that ALTTP takes place before WW,but according to WW,when Ganon returns there was no hero to stop him and the gods had to flood Hyrule to stop him.

[Zemen]

OoT isnt on either timline. its on the timeline before the split.

[Midna666]

OoT isnt on either timline. its on the timeline before the split.

If OOT did not happen then how did Ganon get sealed in the dark world?

[Zemen]

If OOT did not happen then how did Ganon get sealed in the dark world?

what game are you talking about that Ganon is sealed in the dark world? are you talking about Oracle of Ages/Seasons?

in any case, you have to keep this in mind. there are gonna be many Zelda games to come and you have no idea what they games will be. for all we know, the next zelda game they come out with could have an ending where Ganon is sent to the dark world.

in OoT, Ganondorf is sealed in the sacred realm which is the temple of time. and when link goes back in time to live out his childhood (the other timeline), Ganondorf is sealed in the twilight realm. OoT never mentions a dark world at all or even hints to it.

[Midna666]

The Sacred realm is the Dark World.
In ALTTP Ganon turns the Sacred realm into the Dark World when he touchs the Triforce.

[Zemen]

ok that happens in ALTTP, not in OoT. in OoT hes in the sacred realm which is NOT the dark world UNTIL Ganon touches the Triforce which is in ALTTP. OoT isnt the only game where Ganon is sent to the sacred realm/dark world and like i said before, Nintendo could come out with a game that will explain everything youre asking so you cant take anyone elses opinions so critically because eventually EVERYONE could be wrong.

[Midna666]

ok that happens in ALTTP, not in OoT. in OoT hes in the sacred realm which is NOT the dark world UNTIL Ganon touches the Triforce which is in ALTTP. OoT isnt the only game where Ganon is sent to the sacred realm/dark world and like i said before, Nintendo could come out with a game that will explain everything youre asking so you cant take anyone elses opinions so critically because eventually EVERYONE could be wrong.

When was I critically?
Getting back on topic,the point of this thread is to figure out if the Imprisoning war has already happed or if it's going to in a future game.

[Zemen]

When was I critically?
Getting back on topic,the point of this thread is to figure out if the Imprisoning war has already happed or if it's going to in a future game.

i wasnt saying you were being critical. what i meant by that is that you cant take anything in the zelda games TOO to heart because some game could come along and completely destroy what you think about what happens in what game and in what order.

my guess is that the imprisoning war has yet to happen.


When was I critically?
Getting back on topic,the point of this thread is to figure out if the Imprisoning war has already happed or if it's going to in a future game.

i wasnt saying you were being critical. what i meant by that is that you cant take anything in the zelda games TOO to heart because some game could come along and completely destroy what you think about what happens in what game and in what order.

my guess is that the imprisoning war has yet to happen.

[zeldusfanaticus]

the imprisoning war is the events prior to and during OoT

[Skull_Kid]

the imprisoning war is the events prior to and during OoT
Another wrong statement!

The Imprisoning War is(at least until a new game comes out and disproves it) the events of Ocarina of Time... Ocarina of Time is usually the first game in the Chronologies and creates the split/loop time distortion when Link comes back to Childhood in the end of the game

[Chrono]

Well...it would seem the Imprisoning War happened sometime before OoT. To back it up, I'll provide this...

"Some time ago, before the King of Hyrule unified this country, there was a fierce war in our world.
One day, to escape from the fires of the war, a Hylian mother and her baby boy entered this forbidden forest.
The mother was gravely injured... Her only choice was to entrust the child to the Deku Tree, the guardian spirit of the forest.
The Deku Tree could sense that this was a child of destiny, whose fate would affect the entire world, so he took him into the forest.
After the mother passed away, the baby was raised as a Kokiri. And now, finally, the day of destiny has come!"

from Oot...and

"In a period known as the Imprisoning War, the King of Hyrule brought seven wise men together to seal the door to the Golden Land, for Ganon's evil power had been spilling forth, causing corruption and darkness. The once peaceful land became a place of dreadful rumors of the coming of a magical enemy. At this time the Master Sword was forged, but there was no hero valiant enough to wield it."

ALttP

[Skull_Kid]

I completely forgot about that quote from OoT(need to replay the game soon), but that implies that are events prior OoT that are untold and need to be unraveled

[Petman1325]

Before I begin, blue text resembles OoT before Link's Sleep. Red text resembles OoT during Link's seven year slumber. Green resembles after his sleep in OoT.
Before his quest, there was a small race war where Link's mother fought, according to the Deku Sprout. During this war, she was dying and gave the Deku Tree Link, which could have ment that the Imprisioning War took place in the past. Then, once the Door of Time opened, people noticed the Triforce was there and fought to get in there. Ganondorf found this, the new race war began, and the other tribes suffered from Gannondorf's armies. Then, Link calmed down the armies when he came out of his sleep, and at the end, the war is done and over with.
And there you have it.:nerd:

[Midna666]

But WW,TP,and the split timeline mess that all up.
The sealing of Ganon take's place in the adult timeline.
ALTTP mentions the war that sealed Ganon,but ALTTP can't take place in the adult timeline,because it would have to take place before WW.

[Zemen]

But WW,TP,and the split timeline mess that all up.
The sealing of Ganon take's place in the adult timeline.
ALTTP mentions the war that sealed Ganon,but ALTTP can't take place in the adult timeline,because it would have to take place before WW.

actually thats wrong when you think about it. in the end of OoT, Ganondorf is captured in the sacred realm by Zelda, Link and the sages. if you notice, this does not happen in the story told in TP. in the TP story, Ganondorf is captured but sent to a different realm so it is obviously a different story than the ending of OoT, so TP would be child timeline, WW would be adult timeline, and ALTTP would be after TP because the war that sealed Ganondorf is the war that was fought AFTER link goes back in time and tells everyone of ganondorfs plans and they try to capture him but it fails so a war breaks out and ultimately they send ganondorf to the twilight realm.

[Skull_Kid]

In the end of Ocarina of Time, Zelda and the sages say that ganon is gonna be inprisoned in the Dark Realm, not sacred realm... I beated it again yesterday, so i'm sure about what i'm saying

[Midna666]

The problem with Ganon being sealed in OOT is that it happens in the adult timeline,but in ALTTP they talk about Ganon being sealed by the sages.
This means that ALTTP would take place in the adult timeline,but it would have to take place before WW,which is impossible.

[Zemen]

The problem with Ganon being sealed in OOT is that it happens in the adult timeline,but in ALTTP they talk about Ganon being sealed by the sages.
This means that ALTTP would take place in the adult timeline,but it would have to take place before WW,which is impossible.

if you dont remember, ill refresh your memory. in TP the sages talk to Link about how they captured Ganondorf and SEALED him in the TWILIGHT REALM. TP is in the child timeline, so im pretty sure that means that in the child timeline the sages sealed Ganondorf. Ganondorf gets sealed by the sages in both timelines. end of discussion. also there was no war in OoT that lead to the sealing of Ganondorf. i dont remember any war in OoT, actually, the only people really fighting for anything is Ganondorf for Hyrule, and Link to save Hyrule...doesnt sound like a war to me...

[Chrono]

if you dont remember, ill refresh your memory. in TP the sages talk to Link about how they captured Ganondorf and SEALED him in the TWILIGHT REALM. TP is in the child timeline, so im pretty sure that means that in the child timeline the sages sealed Ganondorf. Ganondorf gets sealed by the sages in both timelines. end of discussion. also there was no war in OoT that lead to the sealing of Ganondorf. i dont remember any war in OoT, actually, the only people really fighting for anything is Ganondorf for Hyrule, and Link to save Hyrule...doesnt sound like a war to me...

If you payed attention to the actual story, it clearly says there was a war before Links time and a war while he was in the Sacred Realm. You even see a soldier die in front of your eyes when you return as an adult.

[Zemen]

i have absolutely no idea who you are referring to when you say "he" because this conversation is about two "hes" so you need to say names when you are talking.

if you are referring to Ganondorf, then you are contradicting what others are saying because they say that Ganondorf was not sealed in the sacred realm.

if you are referring to Link, then yes there was a war when he was in the sacred realm, hence Ganondorf being in power when Link is an adult, but Link, himself, is not apart of that war. the war is over when Link is an adult and Link was a baby when the original war was going on. Links adventures DURING OoT dont include any war that he was apart of. and my point is that Ganondorf gets sealed in a realm by the sages no matter what timeline youre talking about so i dont know why everyone is stressing so much about that.

[Chrono]

i have absolutely no idea who you are referring to when you say "he" because this conversation is about two "hes" so you need to say names when you are talking.

if you are referring to Ganondorf, then you are contradicting what others are saying because they say that Ganondorf was not sealed in the sacred realm.

if you are referring to Link, then yes there was a war when he was in the sacred realm, hence Ganondorf being in power when Link is an adult, but Link, himself, is not apart of that war. the war is over when Link is an adult and Link was a baby when the original war was going on. Links adventures DURING OoT dont include any war that he was apart of. and my point is that Ganondorf gets sealed in a realm by the sages no matter what timeline youre talking about so i dont know why everyone is stressing so much about that.

Whoever said Link was in the war himself?

[Zemen]

ok forget about the stupid war. my POINT is that Ganondorf gets sealed into one realm or another no matter what Timeline we are talking about and someone was having a hissy fit saying that it only happens in the adult timeline which wouldnt make sense because of the back story of ALTTP and i was just trying to explain to that person that Ganondorf gets trapped by the sages in the child timeline too. end of story.

[Midna666]

ok forget about the stupid war. my POINT is that Ganondorf gets sealed into one realm or another no matter what Timeline we are talking about and someone was having a hissy fit saying that it only happens in the adult timeline which wouldnt make sense because of the back story of ALTTP and i was just trying to explain to that person that Ganondorf gets trapped by the sages in the child timeline too. end of story.

I was not having a hissy fit.

[Moosh_is_cool]

will you people STOP IT already?? the question on this thread was "is OoT the Imprisoning war?" and instead of answering the question you've created 3 pages of argument!

[Zemen]

i wasnt trying to create an argument. i was just stating that Ganondorf is sealed in both timelines by the sages after OoT. someone decided to turn my statement into an argument. not my fault.

[Midna666]

The point that I was trying to make is that Ganon is sealed differnently in the two timelines.
In the child timeline the Sages send him to the Twilight realm.
In the adult timeline Ganon is sent to the Sacred realm.
In ALTTP Ganon is trying to escape from the Sacred realm(Dark world).
Some people think that OOT is the Imprisoning war which is ALTTP's backstory,but the split timeline masses that up.

[Moosh_is_cool]

i wasnt trying to create an argument. i was just stating that Ganondorf is sealed in both timelines by the sages after OoT. someone decided to turn my statement into an argument. not my fault.

it doesn't matter whose fault it was, or whether you were trying to start an argument. what i'm saying is that there are 3 pages of arguments taking up this entire thread, and nobody was even answering the question.

[Zemen]

people definitely were trying to answer the question, and in the process of trying to answer the question, more questions arose. thats usually how things go when you are trying to come up with a solid theory. nothing is ever based on ONE question. you have to answer many questions, sometimes, before you can answer one question.

[Moosh_is_cool]

ok, you were trying to answer it, but was all that arguing really neccecary?

[Zemen]

you do realize that RIGHT NOW you are starting a completely new argument and are causing the thread to digress, once again..

[Chris]

OoT isnt on either timline. its on the timeline before the split.

Yes, Oot splits the timelines, one for adult and one for the child. The adult timeline goes on to Windwaker and Alttp and the child one goes onto MM.

[Skull_Kid]

why are you placing ALttP in the Adult timeline?gosh, you guys don't pay attention at details, don't you?In ALttP the MASTER SWORD is in the Pedestal of Time, and in the end of WW it was on Ganondorf's head.... ALttP comes after TP, also due to facts that are related to the master sword,for example

[Mike Pothier]

...lord.

Look, OoT IS the Imprisoning War. End of story. This has been confirmed by Nintendo themselves.

The reason all the little details don't match up is because instead of worrying about creating continuity between games, Nintendo focuses on making the best game they can.

Look at it this way, in broad strokes. What was the Imprisoning War about? Ganon trying to get the Triforce, fights a hero, gets stuck in the Golden Land.

What is OoT about?
Ganon tries to get the Triforce, fights a hero, gets stuck in the Sacred Realm.

There. See a similarity?

[MrMosley]

...lord.

Look, OoT IS the Imprisoning War. End of story. This has been confirmed by Nintendo themselves.

The reason all the little details don't match up is because instead of worrying about creating continuity between games, Nintendo focuses on making the best game they can.

Look at it this way, in broad strokes. What was the Imprisoning War about? Ganon trying to get the Triforce, fights a hero, gets stuck in the Golden Land.

What is OoT about?
Ganon tries to get the Triforce, fights a hero, gets stuck in the Sacred Realm.

There. See a similarity?

But that would create one big problem. In A Link to the Past, Ganon gets the Triforce and wishes to rule the land which it is in. Therefore, he has complete control over all the pieces. In Ocarina, he wishes upon the Triforce to take over Hyrule. At the end of OoT on both sides of the timeline, the next generational game does not have Ganon in the Sacred Realm. In Twilight Princess, he apparently never made it there. And in Wind Waker, he escapes and, well, you know the rest if you have played the game.

I do believe the Imprisoning War is the events which occur during Ocarina of Time, but I believe also that Ganon getting the Triforce in ALttP were all separate events. It has never been confirmed exactly how Ganon was able to gain access to the Triforce for a second time, but apparently he did. And when I say Ganon, I do mean beast form, pig Ganon. Ganondorf lost the Triforce on both sides of the timeline. On the Child side, in TP, and on the Adult side, in WW. Although WW doesn't show the Triforce leaving Ganondorf's hand, he apparently is destroyed as the Master Sword is stuck in his head.

Which brings us to Twilight Princess, on the other side of the timeline. Ganondorf clearly loses his piece of the Triforce at the end of TP. He also, apparently, is killed by being impaled by the Master Sword. This would mean that the pieces which Zelda and Link had would also have to leave them, as it wouldn't make sense for the Triforce of Power to float around alone. The three pieces obviously went back to their home in the Sacred Realm after TP, and some years later were reaquired by Ganon after he was reborn in his beast form. That story is yet to be told.

[Mike Pothier]

We don't know what Ganon wishes for exactly, because he never explicity says so. Especially in AlttP, where everything we hear about the Imprisoning War is separated by hundreds of years, long enough to muddle the facts and turn into myths and legends.

Like I said, don't fret over the details. Nintendo doesn't. Lord, I wish they did keep it tighter, but then, we might not have such great games if they did.

[Midna666]

We don't know what Ganon wishes for exactly, because he never explicity says so. Especially in AlttP, where everything we hear about the Imprisoning War is separated by hundreds of years, long enough to muddle the facts and turn into myths and legends.

Like I said, don't fret over the details. Nintendo doesn't. Lord, I wish they did keep it tighter, but then, we might not have such great games if they did.

If we don't fret over stuff like this then we should't bother talking about the timeline then.

[Mike Pothier]

I generally don't. I did back when OoT came out. I cut my teeth on the gamefaqs forums debating every detail of the timeline, trying to establish continuity.

But it became clear later that Nintendo doesn't care about continuity, they only care about making a good game.

I'll still squibble about the timeline on occasion now, but in general I try to stay away from trying to debate any details.