Questions concerning Majora

[blackice_cc]

I was just wondering, if there's such thing as Majora's Mask, then there has to be someone, or something called Majora. Now, I don't think that this question has been resolved, in MM or any other Zelda game. So what, or who, do you think Majora is or was?

[linkman8]

Well, if you read the manga (Yes, I know it's not canon), there was an adventurer who met a beast with armor that could grant wishes, and the adventurer played his drum, and the beast danced for several days until he died. Then the adventurer took the beast's armor and carved out a mask. Since it was made of the beast's wish-granting armor, it had the same powers.
My guess would be the adventurer is Majora, unless I've missed something.

[blackice_cc]

Hmm, well that's interesting. Probably the best explanation, even if it isn't canon. I've never read the manga, so I didn't know that. But, if the Mask grants wishes, why would it be so evil? I know that in the hands of someone bad, it could be disastrous, but it seemed to have a mind of it's own, and an evil one at that.

[Inflexus]

Hmm, well that's interesting. Probably the best explanation, even if it isn't canon. I've never read the manga, so I didn't know that. But, if the Mask grants wishes, why would it be so evil? I know that in the hands of someone bad, it could be disastrous, but it seemed to have a mind of it's own, and an evil one at that.

If you replay Majora's Mask you'll find that the Happy Mask Salesman talks about it in the beginning. It was used by a tribe for hexing rituals and such.

Assuming the "wish armor" thing is true, then it's possible the armor or its creator had evil intent and were going to use it to cause harm to others.

Since the "Majora" is just in mask form now, I wonder how powerful the true Majora was. That would be a boss fight.

[linkman8]

Well, providing Majora was the adventurer I was talking about, he really wasn't that evil at all. The beast was evil, though, because he devoured anyone who tried to hunt him for his armor. Perhaps that's where the evil came from.

[blackice_cc]

If you replay Majora's Mask you'll find that the Happy Mask Salesman talks about it in the beginning. It was used by a tribe for hexing rituals and such.

Yeah, I know, but that doesn't say anything about the original Majora.

Maybe the evil of the beast was poured into the armor when it died, hence making the mask carved out of it evil. Obviously it couldn't have come from the adventurer, because he slew the evil beast, so he couldn't be all that bad, especially since he didn't keep the mask for himself. Or maybe he did keep the mask, and it turned him evil.

[Shadow Goris]

Wasn't the beast's name Majora? An btw, what does cannon mean?

[Inflexus]

An btw, what does cannon mean?

Cannon means included as part. You'll see this a lot in anime/video game debates as well as in debates about the bible. If it's cannon, then it means it's included as part of the series. If it's not, then it's just a side story holding little or no value to the topic at hand.

[Shadow Goris]

Is the metroid manga cannon?

[Leix]

You know, I always thought the manga beast, Majora or not, looked kind of silly. But the musician resembling Fierce Deity who destroyed the beast kinda makes it unlikely that he's called Majora.
Also, in the manga, neither character had names. It was just a musician who played a drum and a beast who ate everyone(connection to the moon? i must consume all?)


Cannon means included as part. You'll see this a lot in anime/video game debates as well as in debates about the bible. If it's cannon, then it means it's included as part of the series. If it's not, then it's just a side story holding little or no value to the topic at hand.

I always thought Canon was regarded as official in the sense that the people who created the other stories created that story as well. If not, then it's just a side money maker. Like the CD-i things, those weren't created by the makers of Zelda, just some other company who bought temporary ownership of Zelda and thought if they stuck Zelda in front of it they could make tons of money and promote their product better.

[MrMosley]

The manga included a big beast that looks like the thing the Avatar rides around on that Nickelodeon show....But meaner. It wore armor that would grant wishes to whoever wore it, so people would often come to challenge it to a fight to try and kill it and take its armor. Well one day someone came along. The adventurer looked a lot like the Fierce Diety. The beast would eat its challengers and was never happy because it never had a real challenge, or a friend, or whatever, so the adventurer played a tune on his drum for days until the beast danced itself to death.

That is a very basic, relying on memory, recap of the manga by the way.

Now, since the manga is not canon, it can be at least believable that the posibility is there for it to be true according to some things in the game itself. Majora's Incarnation (the second version of the Majora's Mask final battle) dances around. You got a mask that resembles the guy who actually killed the beast in the manga, now fighting the mask supposidly carved from its armor.

[Joey Kazooie]

Isn´t Majora the evil in the mask? Like when he transforms, he has a human form.

[Powerbracelet]

Joey Kazooie has it right, and I'm surprised no one else said it.


Remember in the final battle, when you're fighting the boss it has the boss name. The first phase says Majora's Mask, but that's when you're still facing the mask. However, the little hyper infant is majora's incarnation, not "majora's mask's incarnation".

Then "Majora's Wrath". It's hard to avoid that. Obviously you're facing majora's wrath, but you're also facing a screaming humanshape thing. So if you're facing majora's wrath, there's a wrath to be had, and it's being had by majora. So the angry beast is majora. End discussion.

[blackice_cc]

Yes, but what is that evil that inhabits the mask?. My guess is Majora (if not the beast in the manga) could be an evil spirit summoned by the tribe, in order to have complete power over neighboring tribe's or something.

[Kybyrian]

There could be so many possible theories, and we just don't have enough facts to be able to solve it completely, but I don't believe Majora was the traveler, for reasons already stated in the thread. (Majora's Incarnation, Majora's Wrath)

[Powerbracelet]

Well, I just believe what was said about the *original* war between Majora and Fierce Deity. That's just how I see it.

[Onilink89]

ok lets say the beast is majora and the traveler is fierce deity.
then why is the fierce deity mask also evil, i still don 't get that.

[blackice_cc]

When does it say Fierce Deity was evil? I don't remember that at all, but then I've never read the manga or gotten the FD mask in MM. I always thought the FD mask was kind of like the complete opposite of Majora's mask. Like, Majora's mask granted a wish, but took your deepest darkest wish to make real or something, where the FD mask was kind of like the mask incarnation of some godlike being meant to destroy Majora and Majora's mask.

[Onilink89]

When does it say Fierce Deity was evil? I don't remember that at all, but then I've never read the manga or gotten the FD mask in MM. I always thought the FD mask was kind of like the complete opposite of Majora's mask. Like, Majora's mask granted a wish, but took your deepest darkest wish to make real or something, where the FD mask was kind of like the mask incarnation of some godlike being meant to destroy Majora and Majora's mask.

in the game, if you press the A button for info on the firece deity mask, it is saying something like:
"this mask can only be used in boss rooms due it dark power"

[Chris]

Well, this is just my thoughts, but it looks like Majora could have been a Witch Doctor because of his mask; which looks like that of a Witch Doctor.

This is very unlikely but I thought that it could be somewhat possible. I looked at some Witch doctor masks and I found one that looked really close, take a look:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2338/2182218857_667b99891a.jpg?v=0
^Witch Doctor Mask

http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/1/16/MajoraMask.png
^Majora's Mask

Look at them closly, there are some diffrences but they do look a bit the same right? Ignore the hair to see it properly.

[MrMosley]

ok lets say the beast is majora and the traveler is fierce deity.
then why is the fierce deity mask also evil, i still don 't get that.

Its not necessarily evil, thats just how most people make it out to be. If you were to believe the manga, and say that the traveler was the Fierce Diety, the traveler was able to kill Majora. In the game, whenever you have possesion of the Fierce Diety Mask, the kid wearing Majora's Mask on the moon says something like "you can be the bad guy". He could just be saying that like (if the manga was canon) that you are playing as the guy who killed him before, therefore he views you as a bad guy.

[Onilink89]

Its not necessarily evil, thats just how most people make it out to be. If you were to believe the manga, and say that the traveler was the Fierce Diety, the traveler was able to kill Majora. In the game, whenever you have possesion of the Fierce Diety Mask, the kid wearing Majora's Mask on the moon says something like "you can be the bad guy". He could just be saying that like (if the manga was canon) that you are playing as the guy who killed him before, therefore he views you as a bad guy.

Thats not the reason why i call fierce deity evil.
The reason is simple, in the actually game, if you press the A button on the firece deity mask, the description will say something like "This mask can only be used in boss rooms because of its evil power"

[MrMosley]

Thats not the reason why i call fierce deity evil.
The reason is simple, in the actually game, if you press the A button on the firece deity mask, the description will say something like "This mask can only be used in boss rooms because of its evil power"

It says this masks dark power can only be used in boss rooms. I suppose you could consider dark to be evil because most things that are dark are evil, but I mean really its just saying that its not necessarily a bright, happy mask. I don't think the Fierce Diety was necessarily evil, just possesed dark powers, like Midna in TP.

[Zeanith]

I think Majora was a five -year-old girl with a very powerful magic.
I think she destroyed the Ikana Kingdom with that magic, and I think that Oni-Link transformed her into a mask, to keep the catastrophe from spreading all over Termina.


I wrote a fan fiction. ^_^

[Starchain1]

As earlier said the mask acted as if it had a mind of its own that maybe true becuase maybe a preavious owner was evil (maybe the mask seller) and maybe it learns from others.