The White Sword

[Brandon]

Ok, I'm new to this site (just registered tonight), but when I saw a section about Zelda mysteries, I just had to bring this one up.

In the TMC the we find out that the picori (or four) sword without the power of the elements is the white sword. We only see the white sword in one other Zelda game, the original LoZ. If you don't believe the games are connected, then you can chalk this up to nintendo alluding to past games. On the other hand, if you believe as I do that the games are connected this connection presents a problem. Where is vaati in LoZ, or if you believe that LoZ happens before minish cap (does anyone think that?), why is the half finished foursword just sitting around.

I haven't played through FSA yet, so i don't know if vaati just dies at the end, but in my theory of the timeline it doesn't matter because I believe in a split timeline with FSA and LoZ on opposite sides, but for those who disagree, the question of how the white sword ends up with some old man in a cave is still interesting.

[Matthew_79]

Intisting find, I never noticed it. Wouldent know what to expect though considering I havent played FSA either

[linkman8]

Good find, you've got there. Well, since in the Split Timeline theory MC is most likely first, perhaps LOZ, which happens later on, has the White Sword after the Picori Sword after it loses its power. (Due to time, perhaps?)
Even then, I'm still not sure how it would've gotten into the hands of the old man.
So then that leaves two possibilities: The swords are connected through the timeline, and I'm really confused; or it's nothing.

[blackice_cc]

Good find, you've got there. Well, since in the Split Timeline theory MC is most likely first, perhaps LOZ, which happens later on, has the White Sword after the Picori Sword after it loses its power. (Due to time, perhaps?)
Even then, I'm still not sure how it would've gotten into the hands of the old man.
So then that leaves two possibilities: The swords are connected through the timeline, and I'm really confused; or it's nothing.

Well, sort of logical, but a third possibility is that the swords are two genuine creations, and that the old man with the White sword in LoZ is a smith, and named his sword the White sword because it had a white blade.

[The Zelda Master]

when did they clal it the white sword? it was always called the Piccori blade then the foursword.

[Brandon]

when did they clal it the white sword? it was always called the Piccori blade then the foursword.

Right after link gets the fire element in the mines on mount crenel he goes to Melari (I think it's Melari) to get the newly forged picori sword. When Link gets the sword but hasn't infused it with any of the elements yet it is called the white sword. I think it may actually keep that name until after all four elements have been infused.

[blackice_cc]

Yes, the Picori sword (once it's reforged) is called the White sword until you infuse it with all 4 elements.

[Chris]

Well here is what I think: remember how the blade was broken, well maybe in Loz, he broke the sword and they found it later. Then, the picori, knowing it was their sword, reforged it for you.

[MrMosley]

It can be simply answered by: LoZ was first, MC came a long time later. I understand that its a question to be asked with an answer referring to some sort of timeline, but I mean really, its just that they hadn't thought of it seemingly. Timelines in Zelda are difficult to interpret, so I believe that the team who creates them use elements from previous games, not necessarily thinking about their connection.

[Matt]

Well, they are two completely different swords. It is that simple.

[Nemesis]

It can be simply answered by: LoZ was first, MC came a long time later. I understand that its a question to be asked with an answer referring to some sort of timeline, but I mean really, its just that they hadn't thought of it seemingly. Timelines in Zelda are difficult to interpret, so I believe that the team who creates them use elements from previous games, not necessarily thinking about their connection.

I actually thinks that they called it the whiite sword in MC for a reason. Think about it, why do u believe that they just mention it in two games, because it is now the Four Sword.

but, here's the confusing part. The White Sword was crafted in MC and later on forged into the Four Sword in the same game.

I think I know the reason, but I will only give you a hint. When you get the White Sword in LoZ from the old man in the cave, he says:
"Master is using it, but you can have it"

[MrMosley]

I thought he said "Master using it, and you can have it". I'll have to go back and check to see what was said, if he did say "Master IS using it, BUT you can have it", which would be quite different.

[Nemesis]

I thought he said "Master using it, and you can have it". I'll have to go back and check to see what was said, if he did say "Master IS using it, BUT you can have it", which would be quite different.

I was checking it now, and he says "Master using it. And you can have this"
so you were right ^^ but, I have another theory too. In the begining of MC they said that the world was on the verge of destruction, but the picori came and made the Picori (or Four) Sword, and with it the hero defeated the evil and then the sword was placed on a chest to seal the evil away, and then Vaati broke it. And the Magical Sword in LoZ wasn't given an name from Nintendo, the name just came from fans playing it, so who said that the Magical Sword isn't the picori sword.

[MrMosley]

I was checking it now, and he says "Master using it. And you can have this"
so you were right ^^ but, I have another theory too. In the begining of MC they said that the world was on the verge of destruction, but the picori came and made the Picori (or Four) Sword, and with it the hero defeated the evil and then the sword was placed on a chest to seal the evil away, and then Vaati broke it. And the Magical Sword in LoZ wasn't given an name from Nintendo, the name just came from fans playing it, so who said that the Magical Sword isn't the picori sword.


I suppose that might be possible, but its a bit of a stretch. You would have to consider things like how the Four Sword all of a sudden went from being placed in a pedestal in some sort of temple or forest to a cave with an old guy.

But to focus more on the thread, the white sword in each game, I mean it does connect. Obviously they wouldn't just name it something and completely forget that they had named another sword the same thing previously. But since there isn't much emphasis on anything in LoZ, because it was a rather simple game, there wasn't much thought about each sword and where it came from or what it represented, only different levels of power each held.

In Minish Cap we see that the White Sword is forged later on into the Four Sword, so if LoZ took place AFTER MC, then I don't see why it wouldn't be the Four Sword instead of the White Sword. And even if you were to say that MC took place AFTER LoZ, then there would be the fact that the White Sword in LoZ is left behind once you get the Magical Sword, while the White Sword in MC is a newly made sword which is forged from a previously broken Picori Blade. One could assume by these facts that the connection would be their power levels. The White Sword in both games stands as the second-level sword acquired. So they may be two completely different swords, but named solely for how powerful they are.

[Nemesis]

when u get the four elements, then u fuse it into the Picori Sword, so the White Sword is kinda in the Picori Sword :P

It may be that it's two different swords, but I think it have an history like the Master Sword

[MrMosley]

The Picori Sword wasn't infused with the elemental powers before. It was just a powerful sword that could seal away evil. Once it was broken, it was pretty much gone. Whenever you infuse it with the four elements, it becomes the Four Sword, which is a more powerful version of the Picori Blade, but very different from it. Basically the Four Sword and Picori Blade are two different things.

I agree that it should have a history and the likeness of the two swords are similar, but they don't have much in common except for their power levels. You also have to consider that the similarity is between each games "White Sword", and not any other. The Picori Sword and the Four Sword are two different blades. One came before and the other came after, while the White Sword was in between. Although they are all made from the same sword, reforged and reinfused with power, each time it changed into something different. The White Sword in LoZ being the same as the one in MC would be impossible since the White Sword in MC was changed into the Four Sword.

[Skull_Kid]

I agree with Matt... also, why in the world can't exist two swords named White Sword? It is a very common name, not something that implies that it has some wonderful powers

[Gravity]

Some of you might recognize this topic as one that I've posted before in
other Zelda forums, but I figured here would be a good place to discuss it
as well.

In The Legend of Zelda, (the first one,) Link finds three swords.

Wooden Sword
White Sword
Magical Sword

Well it's already been speculated to death that the Magical Sword was actually
the Master Sword, but what about the White Sword? In The Minish Cap,
the Four Sword was called the White Sword before it was powered up, so who's
to say that the White Sword from the first Zelda game was actually the "unpowered"
Four Sword? Eh? Eh? It's kinda fun to speculate that had there been a way
to power up that White Sword in the LoZ, that four Link's could have been
running around collecting pieces of Triforce. Thoughts?

[angelkid]

Well. Let's look at the swords. We've got:
The Wooden Sword: LoZ, OoX, TP
The White Sword: LoZ, MC
The Magical Sword: LoZ
The Fighter's Sword: ALttP
The Master Sword: ALttP, OoT, WW, TP, OoX
Tempered Sowrd: ALttP
Golden Sword: ALttP
Kokiri Sword: OoT, MM
Biggoron Sword: OoT
Giant's Knife: Oot
Razor Sword: MM
Guilded Sword: MM
The Noble Sword: LA, OoA
Hero Sword: WW
Smith's Sword: MC
Four Sword: MC
Oshus' Sword: PH
The Phantom Sword: PH

From this we can see that some of the same swords are deffinitely used in different games. However, as you actually forge the White Sword in MC I seriously doubt it is the same one. I was going to say that perhaps the White SWord forged in MC was then left somewhere and recovered in LoZ before I remembered that the White Sword in MC was then changed into the Four Sword. The only way it is possible for this to be the same sword would be if the elements were removed from the White Sword in MC then put in a cave to be guarded by an Old Man.

EDIT: Thanks to B24 and zzRICHzz for the other swords

[Gravity]

From this we can see that some of the same swords are deffinitely used in different games. However, as you actually forge the White Sword in MC I seriously doubt it is the same one. I was going to say that perhaps the White SWord forged in MC was then left somewhere and recovered in LoZ before I remembered that the White Sword in MC was then changed into the Four Sword. The only way it is possible for this to be the same sword would be if the elements were removed from the White Sword in MC then put in a cave to be guarded by an Old Man.

Could be, ya know? I mean just cause your random red-robed old man is watching
the White Sword doesn't mean it wasn't some relic passed down in his family
throughout the generations until Link got there. It is just as likely that the White
Sword and the Four Sword are one in the same as it is that they are two
completely different swords.

[angelkid]

They are the same sword. The Four Sword just has some extra elements infused in it. If all the Elements were taken from the sword once Vaati was defeated and put back to their originial places, then there is a chance that the White Sword would continue to exist. For all we know, the Old Man could be some old bearer who has had the sword passed down to him over generations to give to Link once he comes knocking. Which he then does in LoZ. So it could well be the same sword.

[basement24]

The Wooden Sword: LoZ, OoS, OoA.

There was also a wooden sword in TP. I doubt that these are the same sword, because anyone could "forge" a wooden sword for themselves as they see fit. :P

As for the White Sword, I never knew the Four Sword was once called that. It seems a bit odd to only have two White Swords apear in the seriesso it could be that they are one and the same once the power is removed from it. Very interesting!

I suppose it could be that MC's mention of the name "White Sword" was just a nod to LoZ's naming, but it would nice to think it was actually giving it a backstory.

[TVTMaster]

Um, hey. It's a sword. And it's white. A sword that is the color white. That describes like 90% of beginning swords in Zelda. Just because the manual and item list say it's a "White sword" doesn't really mean that it's particularly important. It's just a sword that is the color white. It, being made of metal, is clearly stronger than a sword made of wood. The Hero's Sword in Wind Waker was white. The Ordon Sword in TP was white. Oshus' Sword was white. Just because just because the Zelda team had very little creativity in naming items early on doesn't mean it's the same thing.

[Gravity]

Um, hey. It's a sword. And it's white. A sword that is the color white. That describes like 90% of beginning swords in Zelda. Just because the manual and item list say it's a "White sword" doesn't really mean that it's particularly important. It's just a sword that is the color white. It, being made of metal, is clearly stronger than a sword made of wood. The Hero's Sword in Wind Waker was white. The Ordon Sword in TP was white. Oshus' Sword was white. Just because just because the Zelda team had very little creativity in naming items early on doesn't mean it's the same thing.

Excellent point, but it's fun to theorize, no? Besides, all swords are white until they're stained with BLOOD!.

[MrMosley]

There is already a topic concerning the White Sword. I'll not close this thread right now because its title implies more than one particular sword. But discussion on the white sword in particular can continue in this thread:

http://zeldadungeon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=9411#post9411

If it is needed, I can merge the two threads if the White Sword is going to be the main topic of this one.

EDIT

Threads merged. Be sure to check out previous posts for reference.

[Gravity]

Sure, go ahead and merge them. That's totally my bad, I didn't see the existing thread!

[ChargewithSword]

Actually the white sword is quite different from the FS sword. Here is the official artwork of the white sword.

http://www.zeldawiki.org/images/1/14/WhiteSword.png

The hilt of the blade is quite large and unlike the FS sword is not thin whatsoever.

[angelkid]

Um, hey. It's a sword. And it's white. A sword that is the color white. That describes like 90% of beginning swords in Zelda. Just because the manual and item list say it's a "White sword" doesn't really mean that it's particularly important. It's just a sword that is the color white. It, being made of metal, is clearly stronger than a sword made of wood. The Hero's Sword in Wind Waker was white. The Ordon Sword in TP was white. Oshus' Sword was white. Just because just because the Zelda team had very little creativity in naming items early on doesn't mean it's the same thing.

No, I dont think those swords were white. I Think tey were the colour of steel. Grey, metal colour. However, the White Sword is purely white. I still think that it is possible to be the same sword. Once Vaati was defeated, surely they would want to hide the elements again? They wouldn't just leave them, so I think they'd return all the elements to where they belong. HOWEVER, to do so, they would have to first strip the Four Sword of all its elements thus making it the White Sword again. It is therefore very possible that these swords are the same. As once the Sword is forged and Link died, someone else could easily hold onto it, until the day a hero came in need of it.

[zzRICHzz]

The Master Sword: ALttP, OoT, WW, TP



the Master Sword was also in OoX but you could only get it as a secret.