Were do kokiri come from?

[Shadow Goris]

Yes, were do kokiri come from? Are they born or are they forest spirits that come from wood or something? I think this just wasn't thought about by nintendo, so they don't have an answer. :(

[blackice_cc]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that in Oot it says that the Kokiri are forest spirits created by the great Deku tree that never grow older than a child.

[Keaton]

Din created the earth, and Farore created the living things and Nayru created the laws of nature. So your answer is Farore.

Either that or the Deku Tree put his Deku Stick in some kind of meadow. Maybe a sacred meadow.

[blackice_cc]

Well, looking at other kinds of trees, maybe the Deku tree grows gigantic acorns, and the Kokiri "hatch" from them. Either that or the Deku tree uses Magic or something.

[Zemen]

here is my idea and i know this is a huge stretch, but hear me and out and try not to be too critical. i think that the picori somehow become the kokori. the picori are never seen or heard of in any other game besides for MC, and in MC the picori that lived in the forest were the protectors of the forest. what if all the other picori (the mountain and town picori) started to die out and a magical being (the deku tree) was somehow present in the forest a long time after MC. this magical being decided to help the remaining picori that were on the verge of extinction and he turned them into the kokori so that they could survive and protect the forest as relatively normal humans (that just dont age). i know its a stretch but we have no idea how long OoT comes after MC (if you believe in that timeline) and it would explain why the picori arent around anymore or ever spoken of anymore. also in the wind waker, the deku tree (who is the child of the original deku tree) states the koroks used to have different forms before they became woodlike creatures. one of the sages in WW says that he used to be a kokori and one of his descendants is a korok. so this is pretty much saying that the koroks used to be the kokori. if they kokori could change forms into the koroks, it wouldnt be a huge stretch to say that the kokori could have also been something before they were kokori.

picori changed to kokori by deku tree, kokori were changed to koroks by the son of the deku tree (who is still called the deku tree).

[Skull_Kid]

here is my idea and i know this is a huge stretch, but hear me and out and try not to be too critical. i think that the picori somehow become the kokori

yeah, they had a loooooooooooooooooot of vitamins and grew up a lot xD

[Zemen]

yeah, they had a loooooooooooooooooot of vitamins and grew up a lot xD

ok well since its been confirmed that the kokori become the koroks who are half the size of the kokori and are made of wood, i dont think its impossible for tiny human like creatures to be turned into bigger humans that stay young forever. its the legend of zelda, man, lots of crazy things can and do happen.

[Chris]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that in Oot it says that the Kokiri are forest spirits created by the great Deku tree that never grow older than a child.

I thought they were all born, but I see your point because even when you grow older, they all stay the same age. Good answer :)

[Zemen]

they are forest spirits made by the great deku tree. that could mean many things. if the deku tree CHANGED the picori into kokori then he still technically made the Kokori. the deku tree has changed the Kokori into the Koroks so maybe he changed the picori into Kokori. the names are all somewhat connected to eachother. picorIII. kokorIII. KOROKS.

[skullkidsreveng]

Well there was this fanfic story you can find Herehttp://www.northcastle.co.uk/archive/history/post_kokiri.html

Now most of this if just thoery, however it states that the fairies you know what with the boy kokiri while thier asleep and run off, make a cuccoon on the great duku tree. A few months later, out come kokiri with no recolition of thier fairy life.

We all wondered why navi left after OoT now we know.

[Hero Of Termina]

The Kokiris come from the deku tree of course! Afterall he's the father of them.^^

[owenshev]

That fits in very well. Not sure about the cocoon part, but still. ^^

[Zemen]

Well there was this fanfic story you can find Herehttp://www.northcastle.co.uk/archive/history/post_kokiri.html

Now most of this if just thoery, however it states that the fairies you know what with the boy kokiri while thier asleep and run off, make a cuccoon on the great duku tree. A few months later, out come kokiri with no recolition of thier fairy life.

We all wondered why navi left after OoT now we know.

but thats just fanfic. its all just speculation or an idea that someone came up with to explain something. that doesnt make it right.

[owenshev]

but thats just fanfic. its all just speculation or an idea that someone came up with to explain something. that doesnt make it right.

But that dosen't mean it's wrong either. ^^

[Zemen]

fanfic is stuff that fans come up with. if it was real, i think it would be something that would have been stated in the game. its just some persons IDEA to explain something that they cant explain. its like religion, its just an idea to explain the unexplainable.

i, however, believe that kokori were created from the piccori.

[Nemesis]

hehe :P
I dont know why nobody agrees with u Zemen,
but I think you got a really good point there.
It also fits into my timeline theory :D

[Zemen]

hehe :P
I dont know why nobody agrees with u Zemen,
but I think you got a really good point there.
It also fits into my timeline theory :D

thanks for the backup! yeah it fits into my timeline theory too and my idea with the piccori becoming the kokiri would explain why the piccori are never heard of again after MC

[Axle the Beast]

The Deku Tree probably just "poofs" them out of no where. That's what I've always thought, anyway.

And of course they eventually turned into Koroks for no apparent reason.

I used to think that maybe some of the same Kokiri were hanging around as Koroks, but I don't think Kokiri live quite that long. Then again, maybe they do. I don't really know. Like it was said before, Nintendo didn't put a whole lot of specific thought into this stuff.

[Mike Pothier]

From the Deku tree.

There.

No need to go past two posts.

[Shadow Goris]

thanks for the backup! yeah it fits into my timeline theory too and my idea with the piccori becoming the kokiri would explain why the piccori are never heard of again after MC

If the piccori became the kokiri than all the stuff scattered around under rocks, in bushes, etc. wouldn't be there. As said in MC by a minish(piccori), they put that stuff there.

[Zemen]

If the piccori became the kokiri than all the stuff scattered around under rocks, in bushes, etc. wouldn't be there. As said in MC by a minish(piccori), they put that stuff there.

thats just a cute way of explaining why there is stuff under rocks. if the piccori are still around and only show themselves to kids then why is there no more mention of them, why is it that you never see them again (seeing as how in most of the games Link is more portrayed as a child) and why is it that their legend is never spoken of (in four swords, the sword is known as the four sword and not the piccori sword as it is originally called).

the fact that the knowledge of the piccori's existence is obviously not there anymore tells me that they arent there anymore.

and if you are going to use that as a way of shooting down my idea, then think of this. the twili people were banished to the twilight realm long before the events of TP. the only way they could get there was by the sages allowing people to go and leave the realm. when you go to the twilight realm there are pots and stuff to find hearts and such, which, according to your theory, means that the piccori are in the twilight realm, which is impossible because it is stated that the twilight people are the only ones that live in that realm. i rest my case.

[blackice_cc]

thats just a cute way of explaining why there is stuff under rocks. if the piccori are still around and only show themselves to kids then why is there no more mention of them, why is it that you never see them again (seeing as how in most of the games Link is more portrayed as a child) and why is it that their legend is never spoken of (in four swords, the sword is known as the four sword and not the piccori sword as it is originally called).

the fact that the knowledge of the piccori's existence is obviously not there anymore tells me that they arent there anymore.

Okay. First of all, the Picori only are ever visible (or they are only around) 1 year out of every 100. That would explain the absence of them in certain games. As for why the Four Sword is not called the Picori sword, well, after it was infused with the four elements, it was probably forgotten that it was ever called the Picori sword. I mean, it's main ability is to split the user into four, which happens in all of the FS games.



the twili people were banished to the twilight realm long before the events of TP. the only way they could get there was by the sages allowing people to go and leave the realm. when you go to the twilight realm there are pots and stuff to find hearts and such, which, according to your theory, means that the piccori are in the twilight realm, which is impossible because it is stated that the twilight people are the only ones that live in that realm. i rest my case.

As for this, you're right. The Picori cannot be in the Twilight Realm. But, that doesn't mean that the Twili don't have pots around. Why there are hearts in them, well, there needed to be some way of healing yourself. The Picori put rupees, bombs, arrows, and other items in bushes, but there is no reason to believe that hearts aren't just things in the game to heal you. Like, the MC was the real world, you wouldn't find little magic hearts that rejuvenate you.

[Chris]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that in Oot it says that the Kokiri are forest spirits created by the great Deku tree that never grow older than a child.

You are right. The Kokori can never grow older than a child. That is why when you draw the master sword from the temple of time, the Kokori remain the same.

[Zemen]

i never said that the kokiri werent made by the deku tree. if the piccori become the kokiri because the deku tree changed them that way (just like he did with the koroks) then that would be the same thing as the deku tree making them. also, the piccori arent SEEN once every 100 years. the story is that every 100 years the door to the sacred realm opens allowing MORE of them to enter our world. it is stated that they only show themselves to children so i have no idea where you got the idea that they are only seen every one hundred years.

and earlier someone stated that the piccori must still be around because they are the ones that hide stuff in bushes. i found something interesting that could prove that the piccori arent around hiding stuff.

i was playing WW yesterday and near the beginning of the game there is a guy who tells you to make sure to cut down grass because, and i quote (not exact quote though haha), "people are always dropping things in the bushes and in the grass." correct me if im wrong, but i think that means that the piccori arent the ones hiding things.

[LucarioMaster]

omg they were created by faore (goddes of curage) to uphold the law of the world
the kokri are not mortal they are (hmmmm strange idk wht they realy are) kinda like hylians but are imortal( tuck everlasting<--- good book (kinda like hyrule is if u read the lgeand of how it was created) "if u drink the spring water u will not grow old u will stay the same age u are when u drink it") i think they found a "special" drink in the lost woods where they become imortal by drinking it (like in the book mencenind) or somthing like that

[Amelie]

I always thought Farore crashed into Hyrule and made the living things and the kokiri were spirits that..err.. kind of turned into the kokiri children.

I dont know why they dont age though.. that part always reminded me of Peter Pan ^^

[Zemen]

omg they were created by faore (goddes of curage) to uphold the law of the world
the kokri are not mortal they are (hmmmm strange idk wht they realy are) kinda like hylians but are imortal( tuck everlasting<--- good book (kinda like hyrule is if u read the lgeand of how it was created) "if u drink the spring water u will not grow old u will stay the same age u are when u drink it") i think they found a "special" drink in the lost woods where they become imortal by drinking it (like in the book mencenind) or somthing like that

they arent immortal. there is a kokiri sage in WW who is a ghost (aka he is dead).

also, in one Zelda game (not sure which one) they say that the reason grass and pots have items in them is because people are always dropping things out of their pockets. my picori idea seemed even less crazy once i read that quote. it might have beein in OoT or WW that i saw that quote.

[Mike Pothier]

omg they were created by faore (goddes of curage) to uphold the law of the world
the kokri are not mortal they are (hmmmm strange idk wht they realy are) kinda like hylians but are imortal( tuck everlasting<--- good book (kinda like hyrule is if u read the lgeand of how it was created) "if u drink the spring water u will not grow old u will stay the same age u are when u drink it") i think they found a "special" drink in the lost woods where they become imortal by drinking it (like in the book mencenind) or somthing like that

Horrendous spelling and punctuation aside, none of what you said is stated in any Zelda game that I'm aware of.

[Ver-go-a-go-go]

Horrendous spelling and punctuation aside, none of what you said is stated in any Zelda game that I'm aware of.

He's talking about a book I was forced to read in school a while ago:P

I think they were created by the Deku Tree to be the keepers of the forest. What else do the Kokiri do other than wander around the forest?

[master sword]

as we all know, by answering a question you will find more questions

if the kokori were once the minish who made the minish?

do the minish reproduce? I haven't played MC past the the part where the blob guy sticks to your head.

note: the piccori are actually called the minish, but the humans called them piccori because they say it alot. "pico riki riki"

[zeldatwilight]

Maybe they came from the Great Deku Tree. He may have Spit them out and they were there. Probly not that. Or maybe a stork brought them and droped them off. Just a joke.

[Kybyrian]

It's my guess that the Deku Tree just got lonely and decided to make some kids to run around the forest one day, and did so by growing them from seeds which were of course magical.

[Mike Pothier]

It's my guess that the Deku Tree just got lonely and decided to make some kids to run around the forest one day, and did so by growing them from seeds which were of course magical.

That sounds like the most likely and realistic answer.

[Skull_Kid]

as we all know, by answering a question you will find more questions

if the kokori were once the minish who made the minish?

do the minish reproduce? I haven't played MC past the the part where the blob guy sticks to your head.

note: the piccori are actually called the minish, but the humans called them piccori because they say it alot. "pico riki riki"

If you keep like that we will soon be questioning from where did the Deku Tree came and etc... the only thing I can tell you is what is a man?!A MISERABLE PILE OF SECRETS/A CESSPIT OF HATRED AND LIES xD

I found it very probable that the Piccori evolved into the Kokiri...

Also, about the Ghost Sage, he may have died of unnatural causes... i believe that they are immortal in what concerns to aging

[Zemen]

If you keep like that we will soon be questioning from where did the Deku Tree came and etc... the only thing I can tell you is what is a man?!A MISERABLE PILE OF SECRETS/A CESSPIT OF HATRED AND LIES xD

I found it very probable that the Piccori evolved into the Kokiri...

Also, about the Ghost Sage, he may have died of unnatural causes... i believe that they are immortal in what concerns to aging

good point. if you keep asking who made the minish then you have to ask who made the people who made the minish.

who made the kokiri? many of you say the Deku Tree did...well then...who made/planted the Deku Tree?

it can go on forever. i like to think of it this way.

the picori that lived in the forest protected it in one way or another. if you recall, their village had a lot of acorns hanging around that could also be similar to deku seeds. what if they decided to use some magic to plant one of the seeds that eventually grew to be the Deku Tree? its plausible. the enemies around and inside of the Deku Tree were always dropping deku seeds which are similar in looking to the acorns in the minish village in the forest.

[El Bagu]

From the Deku tree.

There.

No need to go past two posts.

Brilliant reasoning and I would agree to 100 % if it was not for this post:


How did he make them?

But I must also say that even with this question I find it amusing how much can be discussed about this topic :). I must agree with some of the more recent posts, I believe this can be discussed forever! (But how much more will be said?)

I really hope no one take a post like this as an inult. It defenetly is not!

[Bluelink6]

Maybe one day a group of travellers entered the forest and decided to settle there. Then one day Somehow they got cursed and...Nope. I can't think of a plausible theory.

[MrMosley]

Also, about the Ghost Sage, he may have died of unnatural causes... i believe that they are immortal in what concerns to aging

Taken from Zelda Wiki, a quote from Fado, the ghost Kokiri boy:

"Are you the new hero? I am Fado of the Kokiri tribe. I know I appear to you as a child, but the eyes can often deceive. I am a most esteemed sage. I had been praying here so that the power to repel evil would continue to be contained within the blade of the Master Sword... But I was attacked by the evil Ganondorf... and this is what happened to me."

So, he was killed by Ganondorf in order to make the Master Sword lose a portion of its power.


As for the topic, well its kinda hard to imagine that the Kokiri would reproduce like normal humans would. I don't think thats what happens. Most likely, the Deku Tree produces them in some way, like some other posters have said. He dosen't have to have some big, drawn out biological way of making them. In a simple answer, its just magic. Zelda is filled with it, and this is one of the prime examples. He often refers to the Kokiri as his children, and that could very well be a literal statement, instead of just being an adoptive-like parent to the Kokiri.

[Mike Pothier]

Brilliant reasoning and I would agree to 100 % if it was not for this post:



But I must also say that even with this question I find it amusing how much can be discussed about this topic :). I must agree with some of the more recent posts, I believe this can be discussed forever! (But how much more will be said?)

I really hope no one take a post like this as an inult. It defenetly is not!

We don't know HOW he created them, just that he did. Did he grow from seeds, birth them, form them from dust like Yahweh? Who knows? Some or all of the above could be the answer. Its all speculation since it was never important information in the game.

[skullkidsreveng]

fanfic is stuff that fans come up with. if it was real, i think it would be something that would have been stated in the game. its just some persons IDEA to explain something that they cant explain. its like religion, its just an idea to explain the unexplainable.

i, however, believe that kokori were created from the piccori.

I find it ironic how you are talking about how that fan fiction is impossible or at least unlikely and how there was no explanation as to it being real in-game...

And then you go on about how the Kokiri where the Minish, disregarding the fact that that in itself is fan speculation as well.

Nevertheless, though there is little in game examples of it being true, the Minish also makes a bit of sense as there is no Deku tree in MC. If the Deku Tree died out or failed to exist, it might make sense for the Kokiri to "morph" into something that can exist and prosper without the Deku Tree. Besides, the Kokiri have changed at least once before in the Zelda series as the Koroks. However, unlike the Kokiri being the TP monkeys, there's very little proof of the Kokiri really being the Minish.

[Zemen]

I find it ironic how you are talking about how that fan fiction is impossible or at least unlikely and how there was no explanation as to it being real in-game...

And then you go on about how the Kokiri where the Minish, disregarding the fact that that in itself is fan speculation as well.

hmm that might be why i always say "i think" or "my theory is"

its not as though im talking about it as fact.


Nevertheless, though there is little in game examples of it being true, the Minish also makes a bit of sense as there is no Deku tree in MC. If the Deku Tree died out or failed to exist, it might make sense for the Kokiri to "morph" into something that can exist and prosper without the Deku Tree. Besides, the Kokiri have changed at least once before in the Zelda series as the Koroks. However, unlike the Kokiri being the TP monkeys, there's very little proof of the Kokiri really being the Minish.

what makes you think that the kokiri cant survive without the Deku Tree? im pretty sure that the Deku Tree does die, and the Kokiri survived until a Deku Sprout grew...

[Skull_Kid]

I find it ironic how you are talking about how that fan fiction is impossible or at least unlikely and how there was no explanation as to it being real in-game...

And then you go on about how the Kokiri where the Minish, disregarding the fact that that in itself is fan speculation as well.

Nevertheless, though there is little in game examples of it being true, the Minish also makes a bit of sense as there is no Deku tree in MC. If the Deku Tree died out or failed to exist, it might make sense for the Kokiri to "morph" into something that can exist and prosper without the Deku Tree. Besides, the Kokiri have changed at least once before in the Zelda series as the Koroks. However, unlike the Kokiri being the TP monkeys, there's very little proof of the Kokiri really being the Minish.



They changed into the Koroks due to the salt water, and because of the illness that attacked the Deku Tree because of that...
And even though it is a theory, I also agree that the Minish probably evolved into the Kokiri, it would make perfect sense, and explain why they are nowhere to be found

[Zemen]

They changed into the Koroks due to the salt water, and because of the illness that attacked the Deku Tree because of that...
And even though it is a theory, I also agree that the Minish probably evolved into the Kokiri, it would make perfect sense, and explain why they are nowhere to be found

AND before anyone says "no thats not right because they are around still hiding things in pots and bushes" WW has fixed that little problem for us.

near the beginning of the game on outset island, there is a man who is standing near a quite large patch of grass who says that you should always cut through grass and bushes because people tend to drop things in them.

the minish arent the answer to why there are stuff in pots and in grass for EVERY game. it was just an explanation for MC, IMO.

[Mike Pothier]

The ideas that Kokiri were once Picori or eventually became monkeys are all romantic ideas that would make good fanfiction, but until there are some actual hard evidence from the games, thats about the extent of it.

[Zemen]

The ideas that Kokiri were once Picori or eventually became monkeys are all romantic ideas that would make good fanfiction, but until there are some actual hard evidence from the games, thats about the extent of it.

well since there is no FACT all we can do is talk about our theories...isnt that what most of the zelda mystery threads are about? i dont understand the point of your post...

[Midna666]

Kokiri come from the same place where all children come from,the stork.

[Skull_Kid]

well since there is no FACT all we can do is talk about our theories...isnt that what most of the zelda mystery threads are about? i dont understand the point of your post...

In this case I totally agree with you,Zemen...

It is what really keeps the community alive, talking about mysteries and timeline theories...

If we only got any news of a new game...oh my...

And Midna, that post was so totally useless

[Midna666]

In this case I totally agree with you,Zemen...

It is what really keeps the community alive, talking about mysteries and timeline theories...

If we only got any news of a new game...oh my...

And Midna, that post was so totally useless

That kind of was the point to my post,to make a silly point to show just how serious some of the fan theorys can get.

[mamu mamu]

how can you be sure that the minish became kokiri when it's still debatable if the games came in that order or not

[Mike Pothier]

well since there is no FACT all we can do is talk about our theories...isnt that what most of the zelda mystery threads are about? i dont understand the point of your post...

I have no problem debating Zelda mysteries, even theories like these. Thats fine.

I'm just disturbed that a few people here are acting like these theories have massive amounts of evidence in the games, like they are almost fact. Neither is the case.

[Zemen]

how can you be sure that the minish became kokiri when it's still debatable if the games came in that order or not

well either we discuss possibilities based on what we think the order of the timeline is or we dont make any theories until a set timeline is out (never).

all im doing is making a theory based off of what i think and i believe MC to be before OoT.


I have no problem debating Zelda mysteries, even theories like these. Thats fine.

I'm just disturbed that a few people here are acting like these theories have massive amounts of evidence in the games, like they are almost fact. Neither is the case.

no one is acting like they have massive amounts of evidence. we are stating theories and reasons why we have these theories. thats exactly the point of talking about a theory...to explain it. basically youre saying that its annoying that people are trying to explain their theories...

[Master Kokiri 9]

Yes, were do kokiri come from? Are they born or are they forest spirits that come from wood or something? I think this just wasn't thought about by nintendo, so they don't have an answer. :(

This may be quite a strange theory but maybe the kokiri are the direct offspring of the deku tree and when certain seeds from the deku tree they sprout into human shaped trees which then magically become hylian child looking people. Isn't hylian biology wierd?

[Zarom]

The Kokiri :) comes from... nowhere. It's a game and they put them there! That's all! I could say, myself: Where the Gorons :goron: comes from? And what about the Zoras :zora: and the Gerudos :ganondorf:? And the Dekus :deku:? They are just some tribes put in the game to make it better!

Kokiris aren't normal people! They never grow! So, maybe they come from...magic?