Copyright on YouTube

[Phlegm]

Copyright is annoying. Music companies remove audio from a lot of great, entertaining videos. What are your opinions on this dumb thing? I totally think it STINKS!!!

[Zeruda]

Well, do you think it's better to be able to listen to stolen content? I'll try to make this as short and simple as I can:

Imagine you work in the music industry. You wite and/or singing song and/or playing struments. The way you make a living (pay rent, buy groceries, buy insurance, pay electric bill water bill heat bill, etc. etc.) is by the sales of said music. So, if people start putting your music on YouTube, then nobody needs to bother paying for it anymore because they can listen to it for free. Since people stop buying your music and instead go to YouTube, you're not making money anymore! How do you pay your bills? How do you make a living? That's not fair, is it?

Copyright is there for a reason, and it's not just for music. There are issues where people use artwork....
For example, people on YouTube like to make Zelda videos using people's fan art. They just do it without permission. That's stealing, and it's not okay. I'm an artist, and I've taken people to court for using my artwork without permission. Why? Because I put a lot of hard work and dedication into it. If they want my stuff, they can pay me for it.

Same goes for just about anything else. Disregarding copyright is like going to the dentist and then refusing to pay. You want to enjoy somebody's work... well, pay for it. Artists don't do it for free. They have to make a living.

[Sonardo]

that is true, but what about the videos with talking? surely they have a way to just remove the music?

[Tony]

I agree with Zeruda on this one....

[JosephII]

Most bands don't make hardly any money from their music sales. Most record companies do, and not the bands. Bands typically do not even see 10% of their record sales. Many bands are realizing this now and encouraging people to get their record by pirating it. As long as people are coming to events and supporting the band, they will make money.

[Steve]

Most bands don't make hardly any money from their music sales. Most record companies do, and not the bands. Bands typically do not even see 10% of their record sales. Many bands are realizing this now and encouraging people to get their record by pirating it. As long as people are coming to events and supporting the band, they will make money.

This is true, and the bands themselves make most of their money from concerts and live performances anyway. The fact is, while listening to illegally uploaded music isn't exactly great, it promotes the band, and actually increases the fan base and turnouts for their performances.

[JosephII]

This is true, and the bands themselves make most of their money from concerts and live performances anyway. The fact is, while listening to illegally uploaded music isn't exactly great, it promotes the band, and actually increases the fan base and turnouts for their performances.

Exactly.

My personal opinion is that just because downloading music is illegal in some forms, does not mean its morally wrong.

[blubb]

Oh, how I HATE the copyright policy on YouTube! I am German, and ALL videos containing any copyrighted music material are unavailable here. Why is that, you might ask? Couldn't the record labels make contracts with Youtube like it is done for the US (and the rest of the world)? Yes they could, and they're also willing to do so, but the problem lies in our archaic, corrupted government policies. In Germany, music labels can't make direct contracts with costumers, but it has to go via a intermediate trade organisation called GEMA (="Greedy Egoistic Motherf***ing A**holes). They take like 50% of the revenue for themselves for doing absolutely NOTHING and then they go on luxury holidays with our politicians, for example to Sydney where they book prostitutes! That's why they wanted to have a license fee per-click that is much higher than it would've been by making direct contracts with the labels, so YT didn't agree with that and therefore all videos containg any coipyrighted music are unavailable here! This sucks a lot, I recently had to stop watching a Let's Play because a 10 second sample of a 50s song was used in part 77 :(
I mean come on, how can people be so goddamn greedy? I think copyrights have their right of existance, many people live off it, but it should be reformed (especially pictures should be released into public domain after 1 year, IMO because it's a great win for society and only a small sacrifice for the copyright holders - for example the German Wikipedia even doesn't show the famous pictures of the Tianmen Square massacre just for stupid, f***ing copyright reasons because we don't even have fair use here), but any reform is being blocked here thanks to massive lobbyism of the industry. They even bribe our parliament deputees so that they vote for laws which send you to jail for several years for just participating passively in p2p networks while at the same time someone who kills someone while drunk-driving is usually released on parole, isn't that ridiculous? I mean I'm everything else but a communist, but this is one of the prime examples where capitalism and corruption go way too far and it just shows that humanity does everything for money, which is kinda sad :( [/ENDS RANT]

[Dragon565333]

I agree with you but they have to do that! Which i dislike but rule are friggin rules

[blubb]

I agree with you but they have to do that! Which i dislike but rule are friggin rules
Well, rules are nothing universal, and they can be changed. As long as rules comply with common sense, I'm perfectly fine with them. But if rules are a result of corruption, tyranny, greed and egoism then I can't agree with them. That's why I'm using proxy servers to evade those stupid county restrictions, which are totally anachronistic in a globalizing world which we have in the 21st century. On the one hand, I can communicate with someone from Australia with just some milliseconds of delay (this communication would've taken months and lots of money just 100 years ago), but on the other hand it makes a differnce that I'm living in country A and therefore can't watch videos that people can watch in country B just 200 km away? No, I can't accept that.

[Dragon565333]

Well, rules are nothing universal, and they can be changed. As long as rules comply with common sense, I'm perfectly fine with them. But if rules are a result of corruption, tyranny, greed and egoism then I can't agree with them. That's why I'm using proxy servers to evade those stupid county restrictions, which are totally anachronistic in a globalizing world which we have in the 21st century. On the one hand, I can communicate with someone from Australia with just some milliseconds of delay (this communication would've taken months and lots of money just 100 years ago), but on the other hand it makes a differnce that I'm living in country A and therefore can't watch videos that people can watch in country B just 200 km away? No, I can't accept that.
You do make A excellent point when it comes to it!

[Phlegm]

Like what Sonardo said, can't they just ask the owner of the video to re-upload without the 'stolen' audio?

[badmuffins]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! chuggaaconroy and nintendocaprisun are suspended by false copyright claims!!!!! bring them back Youtube!!!!!

[blubb]

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!! chuggaaconroy and nintendocaprisun are suspended by false copyright claims!!!!! bring them back Youtube!!!!!
OMG you're right! NOOOO! I don't know about the other guy but I really enjoyed NCS's LPs, especially the Zelda ones, I watched some of them twice! So why the immediate ban? Just cause he used some seconds of music in some of his videos? Really? I don't know what's going on in the heads of those right holders, but do they really belive that a few seconds of their music, voiced over with game SFX and audio commentary, will draw potential customers away from buying their stuff? Isn't rather the opposite the case, because there's a good chance you've never heard that song but maybe you like it and go check out the band and buy their songs?
What disturbs me the most is that a simple - potentially wrong - copyright CLAIM is enough for them to take down the video and ban the user and therefore deleting all the other vids too, regardless of how much work was spent on them and the user hasn't even a chance to react to it.
While at the same time videos that actually violate the terms of use (be it violence, racial hate speech etc.) might be up for months and longer. But hey, who cares, copyrights=money and that's what counts, right? Just shows what a corporate s***hole Youtube has become.
I know, I should probably stop ranting, it doesn't change things and there's more to be pissed about on Youtube on a single day that one can possibly complain about in 100 years, so yeah...

Anyway, does someone know if he has a backup account/website or so?

[Phlegm]

Yeah, YouTube has a really bad automatic system. They don't review ANY claims.