Curiosity Shop #115: Zelda Dungeon Mailbag

Axle the BeastMarch 14th, 2013 by Axle the Beast

Well hey there guys! New mailbag! This time around we’ve got a pretty wide variety of questions. Zelda Wii U is touched on, as is the Zelda timeline of course — because both of these are fairly recent news — but most of the rest are pretty diverse, ranging from topics like the proper title for a Zelda fan, to what aspects of Twilight Princess we’d like to see again. So hopefully this is a refreshing mailbag! 14 questions in all. Enjoy! You can watch the video here or check out the embed after the jump.

Questions and timestamps:

(00:24) – If you could have Nayru’s Love, Farore’s Wind, or Din’s Fire in real life which would you pick?
(01:07) – Who would win in a fight between Ganon, Demise, and Majora?
(02:04) – Which Zelda game has the best graphics in your opinion?
(03:01) – There are Whovians, Potterheads, and Sherlockians… what’s a Zelda fan called?
(03:09) – Do you think Zelda Wii U is going to have The Wind Waker’s art style?
(03:54) – Nintendo’s going to “re-think the conventions” of Zelda’s gameplay, but what about its story and characters?
(04:52) – If the characters in Skyward Sword are humans, why do they have pointy ears?
(05:32) – If Hylians started human life on the surface, then where did other human races come from?
(06:11) – Will new Zelda games try to fit in the timeline, or will they just go off on their own?
(06:53) – Would a futuristic Zelda game work or would it be a flop?
(08:19) – What aspects of the original NES Zelda game did you like and dislike?
(09:25) – Is Dragon Roost Island from The Wind Waker Death Mountain from Ocarina of Time?
(09:34) – Do you think the Wolf Form, Hidden Skills, and Hawk from Twilight Princess should return?
(10:53) – What would you think if you were in a future Zelda game, or there was a reference to ZD?

Be sure to submit your name/username and questions to our contact page, or if that page doesn’t work then email them to [email protected] for next week’s mailbag! You can also use my Twitter or Facebook, or use the Mailbag Thread on the forums!

Can you guess the quote on the paper, the sound at the beginning, or any of the music? Include them with your question and you might guarantee it gets answered! How about your thoughts about the questions? Which spell from Ocarina of Time would you want in real life? Who who would in a fight, Ganon, Demise, or Majora? What aspects of the original Zelda game did you like or dislike? Would you like to see the Wolf Form, Hidden Skills, and Hawk again? And what IS a Zelda fan called? Tell me your thoughts on these and any other questions you want in the comments!

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  • Lord Carlisle

    Leave a message…There’s no such thing as a Sherlockian! Just a Holmesian!

  • hyourinmaru

    zelda fans are called potheads :D.

    • Anonymous

      No. Zelda haters are pot-headed. We then present them to Link.

      • hyourinmaru

        haha clever. though i much prefer mine better. seems less violent.

        • Anonymous

          How’s it violent? Clay doesn’t have blood, brains, or gore. Also, their heads will regrow as soon as Link leaves the room. We’ll just re-invite him in if they don’t admit that LoZ has a few good points at least.

          • hyourinmaru

            makes us sound hostile to anyone who isn’t a zelda fan. calling ourselves potheads makes us sound like we can be not so serious or hostile.

          • hyourinmaru

            also i’m told i look like i smoke pot (i don’t. i promise XD) so it would have two meanings for me :D.

  • Kabro006

    Zeldonian! :D

  • EyeOfSheikah

    I think that a futuristic Zelda would be best if they tried it on a spin-off first. I do, however, like the idea of a steam-punk Zelda.

    • Anonymous

      You mean more steam-punk than Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, and all the mechanical enemies in the Zelda series? I agree.

      Spinoff, maybe not. I’d like a full canon game. I had an idea in my post for a futuristic zelda game. However, I’ll put a more detailed version here, along with some more ideas.

      Hylians have all but forgotten about the other races, their hero, and their heritage. They’ve started living with and marrying the Humans, resulting in many humans, some halflings, and few pure blooded Hylians. The ways of magic are all but forgotten, but there are a few groups who remember it, and others who try to blend magic and technology together. There are ancient temples that emit a magical aura, which prevents most technology from being used within a broad range. Because of this, few people live/cultivate those lands, and they remain almost untouched. But some halflings and pure blooded Hylians live on the outskirts of these barriers. They use the simple MagiTech that’s been invented, since MagiTech is resistant to the barrier’s effects. Hidden deep within these Nature Preserves are the ancient races forgotten by the Hylians and Humans. As for the antagonist, Ganon or Demise will reform in this futuristic world, and will revive the monsters and ancient temples. However, to do that, he’ll need pure blooded Hylian maidens from the various cities.

      • WhovianGrrlGamer

        Oooooo, creativity! I think that’s a super cool idea, with one very, very small issue: If I’m not mistaken (and I very well could be), A Link to the Past is last on the Zelda timeline; and in LttP, the Hylians are an ancient race, like in your scenario, and magic is not widely used. But technology isn’t really a thing in LttP, and Link is not forgotten. I suppose a futuristic Zelda could be even further down the timeline, in which case my point is moot; but like I said, the issue is very, very small.

        Also, I think that this idea, cool as it is, is too different to work for a canon game after having typified the series with sixteen predecessors.

        But I seriously have to give you a thumbs-up for your creativity.

        • Anonymous

          Nope. ALttP isn’t last. Just look at the timeline. I would post it here, but neither linking or attaching seems to be working…

          Also, it seems like the three branches of the timeline are differing in a special way. Hero defeat seems to be forgetting about their hero, and regressing through time to more primitive civilizations. On this timeline, we may get Zelda games based on times before Medieval Europe. The timeline with Majora’s Mask seems to be stagnant, staying Medieval. The WW timeline is progressing, already reaching Steam-punk with the use of steam boats and trains. On this timeline, a futuristic Zelda is practically guaranteed, whether it’s a Toon Link or not.

      • EyeOfSheikah

        As for your first point, PH and ST werent QUITE steam-punk. There is a distinct difference between steam-punk and steam-powered technology. Steam-punk was a sort of sci-fi idea from the 1800s, so it has some really cool stuff that doesnt actually exist in real life. So basically yes, I am saying that these previous games werent steam-punk enough.

        As for your second point, as WhovianGrrlGamer said, when people play a canonical game, they expect it to have a similar concept to previous installments in the series. I can definately see where youre going with that though, and I can see it potentially working. Anyway, thats just my opinion. Just because I think it would be a bit tricky to pull off (especially explaining it to fans) doesnt mean it cant happen.

    • Tehlul

      Link almost defeats Ganon but gets sent to the future right before he defeats Ganon.
      A future ruled by Ganon.

  • blue

    The legend of Zelda was actually supposed to be set in both the past AND the future when it was created. So a futuristic game might actually make sense.

  • Anonymous

    1. I can’t choose between Farore’s Courage or Nayru’s Love. Choosing between the ability to make quick exits/returns or the ability to protect yourself is hard. I think it all depends on how quickly I can restore the energy needed to fuel them, as well as how much energy (per minute) I need to use. P.S. Nary’s Love coming with the goddess. I see what you did there.
    2. It’d be a three way tie, leaving Zant, Ghirahim, and Vaati alive. P.S. Good point.
    3. Twilight Princess, Skyward Sword, or Wind Waker HD, ignoring art styles. P.S. Agree about WW Art Style.
    4. Hyrulians or Twili. (The difference between Hylian and Hyrulians is that Hyrulians are Hyrule inhabitants, and Hylian’s the elf-like people).
    5. I’m not sure. I’d like it to be somewhere between Skyward Sword and Twilight Princess.
    6. I’d like to keep the two key characters and a few key races in each game (the races can vary). Story can see a little bit of improvement too. P.S. Good idea for world elaboration. What do you think of World Consistency?
    7. They’re Hylians. They just didn’t recognize Hylia as their goddess enough to name themselves after her.
    8. Maybe the humans and Hylians started out as one race, then divided, each to their own god or none at all. Either that, the Gods made them different from the start, or they came from another dimension, like Termina or ours.
    9. I hope they maintain a single and same universe and not their own, like what happened to Spyro.

    10. It may work, if balanced correctly. After all, don’t the Final Fantasies combine Tech, Magic, and Monsters? Maybe Ganon can be reincarnated and bring back/restore the monsters and ruined temples the Futuristic Hyrule has forgotten.
    11. I didn’t like the lack of guidance. If you wanted to know where to go, you had to find a walkthrough or a friend. If they had guiding characters, or map caves with dungeon locations, it would have been better. P.S. Completely agree, but I’d still like guidance alongside the freedom.
    12. Possibly. It could just be another mountain, since it seems too far away, and the wrong compass direction, from Hyrule Castle.
    13. An alternate form would be nice, but maybe not Wolf. Maybe the Transformation Masks will come back for a Zelda game where the different Races are in the middle of a cold war, and must unite to help defeat the dark forces. Hidden Skills should be a must in every game! Hawk is optional now, since the Beetle came out.
    14. Rather than the “Know-It-All Brothers” or those birds in the Oracles, have a Beast known as “Know-It-All Axle”!

  • Mcineri

    Axle. Stop hiding from the truth.

    • Axle the Beast


      • mcineri

        Play Adventure of Link. Stop avoiding the reality of your situation

  • Hyrule’s Hero

    Twilight Princess is better in graphical style and pretty much better than Skyward Sword overall. Skyward Sword sucks.

    • Axle the Beast

      How do you figure? Twilight Princess was built for the GameCube’s hardware and was not visually improved for the Wii in any way, whereas Skyward Sword was built to basically utilize the Wii’s maximum potential, or as close to it as they could get anyway.

      You can absolutely prefer Twilight Princess’ style, because that comes down to opinion, but no matter how you slice it, regardless of what you think about its art direction, Skyward Sword is the more technically impressive game, and that’s typically true of every Zelda game that comes out. The Wii U tech demo, though it’s only a demo, is more technically impressive than either Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword, in terms of visuals, for example.

      • Hyrule’s Hero

        Okay, think about Metriod: Other M. The graphics for it were great and it showed off the power of the Wii. Skyward Sword was supposed to look like a “painting come to life”. I’ll admit that it would look good on a canvas, but use that for a video game; It doesn’t look good. If Skyward Sword used a graphical style that showed off the power of the Wii, it would have been amazing.

        Metriod: Other M was worth being on another console, even though it’s a Nintendo Exclusive game. Skyward Sword looked more like a Gamecube game. It’s not worthy of being on another system. Other than that, it was an okay Zelda game. I’d still prefer Twilight Princess and Ocarina of Time to Skyward Sword.

    • Midna’s #1 Fan

      I agree with you completely : )

  • The Fierce Diety

    I would say either Dins Fire or Farores Wind.

  • WhovianGrrlGamer

    A Zelda fan should be called a Linker or maybe an Earl (because it sounds like URL, get it?).

  • Locke64

    I think what you said about experiencing Hyrule in different transformations is a great idea. Lex brought up the series’ fixation on key characters and objects in game titles today, and this could be one idea that could bring them back to basing the games on themes rather than gimmicks. Basically they could expand MM’s concept of playing as the different races and do much more to change how you relate to the world in your different forms, i.e. from different perspectives. I would enjoy playing a game that demonstrates how different people extract different meanings from the same things. Something like this would take groundbreaking creativity on the narrative side though. I don’t know how well a gameplay-focused team could pull it off.

    • Axle the Beast

      Yeah I agree for the most part. I don’t actually mind the gimmicks because I don’t see them and what you’re describing as being mutually exclusive, necessarily. Either way I think the whole idea is very possible, and honestly could be replicated in both linear and nonlinear games.

      On my latest playthrough of Twilight Princess I kept thinking about how animals will talk to you when you’re in Wolf Form, but humans are scared of you, and I kept wondering why this whole aspect of the game wasn’t a bigger part of it.

      What if the world through the eyes of the wolf was very different than that of Link, and there were whole dungeons and sections of the game spent as Wolf Link, giving him his own set of upgrades and abilities? I think that would have been really interesting.

  • Draco

    I think that zelda fans should be called Hylians.

  • melinda jefferies

    axle is a little girly boy

    • Bobby Jenkins


  • Mr. Nidoking

    I’ve always just thought of us as Hylians.

  • oozy the wolf

    majora’s mask without skull kid he can take down the moon

  • baileygirl99

    Din’s fire!!
    That’s a hard one, but I would say Demise. Although I would be rooting for Ganondorf!
    OoT 3D.
    Actually don’t know…
    It might, but I doubt it.
    I like the original storyline, and I hope they stick to it. I want them to perhaps fill in some of the gaps in the timeline, but that would more be a waste of a game. Also, a larger over world would be nice…
    I don’t know that one…
    Going back a few questions/answers, they will probably try their best to fit the future games onto the timeline, but in my opinion, Nintendo should just be more focused on plain making the game rather than making sure it fits with Hyrule’s history.
    I enjoy the midevil-ish theme/time period the series takes on.
    I haven’t exactly played the Zelda NES, but from what I see, the tediously massive overworld.
    Hrmm…I’m not sure….but I will say yes.
    Hawk, yes. Hidden skills, probably not. Wolf form,…idk…
    I can’t answer that one…

  • Midna’s #1 Fan

    3.Twilight princess i loved the darkness of it
    13.Wolf form, the hidden skills and MIdna too

  • HyruleHistory10

    Ok I agree with axle about the magic. Frankly Farore’s wind would be more useful unless you are in the active military then Nayru’s Love would be good.
    I think that Majora would actually win due to the fact that Majora isnt fighting for anything OTHER than just pure destruction of everything. Demise’s sole purpose is to USE the Triforce to control the world. Even though he can spawn mass amounts of enemies, Majora SHOWED us that (he/she/it) can destroy the world WITHOUT the divine relic of the ancient gods. That is why i think Major has the higher potential to win. Plus the spinning exploding screw things could mess up lots of Bokoblins and the whips could really lay the Hurt down from a distance.

  • diabloaura

    I think they should release a short “bare-essentials” type zelda game where Link explores many different worlds, each experiencing some problem that must be solved in order for peace or the triforce or SOMETHING to be restored. It would be a tester game so that they could elaborate on a fan-favorite wourld.

  • Simon

    Ganondorf vs Demise vs Majora
    Right who would win? Ganondorf or Demise could beat Majora. But neither could kill the other.
    Majora can be killed with the Kokiri sword and was defeated by child link who is rather small and whilst strong is definatley not as physically capable as Ganondorf and Demise who are both massive. Ganondorf being around 7ft 6 and Demise even bigger. Neither Demise or Ganondorf can be killed with anything other than the Master Sword. Yes light arrows can HURT Ganondorf but they don’t kill him. Try whipping out your ordon sword to fight Ganondorf in Twilight Princess or watch the cutscene in the Wind Waker when Link uses a powered down Master Sword to try to kill Ganondorf… It does not work. Adult link can be defeated by Ganondorf, the timeline suggests they are evenly matched in that regard, so Majora would go down by Ganondorf’s hands quite quickly. You mention Majora can bring down the moon, not quick enough to kill Ganondorf or Demise though. Both of them would be able to destroy Majora before the disaster and they most likley have the power to stop it. Both of them being the Demon King. Both of them also having the power to destroy the world. They don’t do it because they don’t want to.

    • LoserKlink

      I was thinking something along those lines as well. Something else to think about though, is whether or not the fierce deity mask is canonically required to defeat Majora. If not, I don’t think you could argue Majora is as powerful as Demise. But if so, you could make that argument. Another thing to add, is that Demise could only be sealed,but not destroyed, except by the triforce. Majora on the other hand, could be completely destroyed(apparently).

  • Jake Davies

    play Zelda II, please

  • names are for tombstones

    I’m sorry but it’s really flipping funny to whatch you talk to yourself in the reflection of the poster frame.

  • Zoralink128

    I would say that the people of skyloft are Skyloftians.

  • Brandon

    Maybe this is a generational difference (LoZ was my first Zelda), but I think part of what I loved about the original LoZ was that a secret could be ANYWHERE. I bombed every square inch of wall, touched every statue, burned every busy, pushed every rock: and when you actually found something, it was such a rush. In newer Zelda’s, the same tell-tale signs really take the sense of true exploration out (look another circle of rocks!)

    • Brandon

      *burned every “bush”*