Curiosity Shop #111: Zelda Dungeon Mailbag

Axle the BeastJanuary 31st, 2013 by Axle the Beast

New mailbag, everybody! Got a fair amount of questions that tie into Twilight Princess in some way, though none of them very directly. We also discuss upcoming Zelda games once more, of course, as well as some general facts about the Zelda series. There are 15 questions in all. The mailbag’s a little long this time, going on 12 minutes, mostly because there was a sizable amount of questions. Enjoy! You can watch the video here or check out the embed after the jump.

Questions and timestamps:

(00:26) – What do you think is Zelda’s biggest missed opportunity and why?
(02:11) – What’s your opinion on the “hero is defeated” part of the timeline?
(02:21) – If Link gets Heart Containers from bosses, doesn’t that mean he’s cutting out their hearts?
(03:38) – Do you think it would be cool if Link had a rival like in the Pokemon games?
(04:39) – It feels like they’re using the same boss ideas over and over. What could be done to make them unique again?
(05:58) – Would you like Zelda Wii U to have the style of The Wind Waker HD, or another Zelda game? What style do you want?
(06:52) – Do you think Zelda 3DS will be announced at this year’s GDC?
(07:31) – What item from Ocarina of Time do you think is the most underused?
(07:56) – Why does Tatl just tell Link to leave right after you beat Majora?
(08:04) – What happens to the time you just left when you play the Song of Time in Majora’s Mask?
(09:01) – When do the two Oracle games take place in the chronology? Do they happen at the same time; do they have the same Link?
(10:29) – Is Twilight Princess’ Ganondorf the same as the one in Ocarina of Time?
(10:47) – How come the Triforce is sometimes inside Link, and other times a separate object?
(11:44) – Do you think we will ever see the Lokomo Sword again?
(11:52) – Do you think that there is any connection between Fi and Ghirahim?

Be sure to submit your name/username and questions to our contact page, or if that page doesn’t work then email them to [email protected] for next week’s mailbag! You can also use my Twitter or Facebook, or use the Mailbag Thread on the forums!

Can you guess the quote on the paper, the sound at the beginning, or any of the music? Include them with your question and you might guarantee it gets answered! How about your thoughts about the questions? What do you think is Zelda’s biggest missed opportunity? What item from Ocarina of Time do you think is the most underused? Tell me your thoughts on these and any other questions you want in the comments!

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  • Guy

    Most Missed Opportunity: Skyward Sword Overworld.

    • IgosDuIkana

      Most missed opportunity: every Zelda game made in the last 12 years.

      • ……….

        F U

      • Anonymous

        Only if you haven’t played them.

      • Dylan Mandalore Prouty

        Well, Twilight was pretty good.

        • Guy

          The only thing i have against tp is that it didnt flow as well as it could of.

      • Bondedrobin

        You suck, you know that?

    • EOTW

      I remember the disappointment I felt when I first explored the sky. ‘Twas a sad day in Zelda history.

      • Guy

        I thought that there would be other towns in the sky to explore. I thought that the sky overworld was gonna be amazing. There wasn’t even any enemies in the sky, which makes me wonder why skyloft needs knights anyway (except for when link falls… :P)

  • Unknown

    What’s the best way to get a question answered? I emailed the Mailbag but it didn’t answer. Is the contact page the better way to go or do they keep extras for the following week? Thanks

    • chaoswanderer

      Answer what the music is in the video and what the paper quote is as well.

    • Axle the Beast

      The contact page is just as good as the email. But just sending a question isn’t a guarantee; I get a lot of them. xP

  • Ganjee_the_Grey

    Most missed opportunity: Friendly villages, towns and cities in Skyward sword. Imagine a Kikwi forest village and a futuristic Lanayru mining city.

  • Darunia

    How come he never answers my questions?

    • Unknown

      He didn’t answer mine either. But I didn’t see the bottom: “Can you guess the quote on the paper, the sound at the beginning, or any of the music? Include them with your question and you might guarantee it gets answered!” I’m going to try that. Good luck

    • Anonymous

      Is that your question?

    • Axle the Beast

      Because he gets over 60 most weeks, and really has to choose between them. ;)

      • Anonymous

        Well, do you keep your top 5 or 10 unused questions, and consider bringing them back for a themed mailbag? For examples, a Companion mailbag, Boss, Weaponry, Timeline, etc.

        • Axle the Beast

          No I do not do that. The mailbags tend to end up with rough themes half the time anyway, and when I want to expand on a topic I usually just do a discussion video talking about it, or do something expanding off a question.

  • Zoronscrub Deity

    I always imagined that boss monsters are artificial beings made out of darkness, hence them disappearing when killed instead is decaying naturally, and that heart containers were the magic that powered them. Just my imagination at work.

  • Anonymous

    WHY ARE YOU EATING PIKACHU!!!! Don’t you know how much electricity that little thing can hold?!?!?

    1. More dense overworlds, better item usage then TP’s, multiple difficulty levels, and hidden areas. I thought that TP’s first boss had a secret area underwater.

    2. I had a different theory for at least a year before Hyrule Historia came out that also made a 3-way split. After Majora’s Mask, Link didn’t get sent back in time again. This made a paradoxical timeline where everything Link did since he was sent back in time was erased.

    3. No! Gross! I agree Axle.

    4. Who’s Ralph? Groose? Mido? I agree Axle.

    5. New items, less predictability/patterns, overworld dungeons, etc.

    6. Maybe a little different. I don’t know, since I don’t know what the plot/emotion of the game will be.

    7. I hope so. I shouldn’t come out after Wii U Zelda, especially since the 3DS had a head start.

    8. Personally, the potions and fairies. In general, the Nut or the Hammer.

    9. BOOYAH Axle!

    10. Everybody else gets rewound, you teleport to the Clock Tower, and lose all your loose (mostly no-magic) items in the process. Since you never rewound, you don’t undo any bank transactions.

    11. After ALttP. They’re in either order, but I personally believe Seasons came first. Same Link in both games.

    12. Yes.

    13. Learn your history. If an unbalanced heart touches the triforce, he obtains only 1 piece, while the other two find champions/hosts of their aspect. We clearly saw this in WW. If the piece was whole, it found its champion and entered him.

    14. Most likely not.

    15. Possibly. And the fact they both become swords.

    E. (at the time, up to sec. 52)

  • blue

    I actually did use deku nuts, but only as a child.

    • Guy

      Deku nuts are often used as child link. but after getting the hookshot they are used less often because the hookshot normally has the same effect. I often use deku nuts as an adult, especially against bubbles.

  • PatheticBarrel

    TWW’s ‘not’ gossipy girls, Midna being summoned, Marine Research Lab(MM), can barely hear the rest… :(

    Do you think the Zelda series, in general, would benefit from a game that leaves off Link as the main character? I think it would allow the Dev team to experiment and polish new game-play, and give more room for the writers to flesh out the series stories. Could lead to some fun ‘exploration’ in a post-SS setting.

  • Medley13

    About doing things in variant orders, I like the fact you could do the Shadow Temple last.

    • IgosDuIkana

      Doing the shadow temple last always made more sence story wise to me, due to the fact that Impa was the closest person to zelda and Link is gradually supposed to be getting closer to finding her I guess as it is heavely implied that he is persuing her location. Also the order of the medallions made sence and well, there were gameplay reasons that it simply seemed to flow better in my opinion, so I generally accept the shadow temple as occuring after the Spirit Temple as being cannon in my interpretation of the story. Aslo I once made a comment about objectiveity being of opinion and how people needed to allow others to express their opinions correctly. Ironically in my AP Language and Compsition class I was informed that subjective is opinion and objective is factual. I point this out because Axle unlike a lot of people used it correctly in the video. This comment was from another post about a week ago btw.

      • Medley13

        For me it was that, and the place freaked me out.

  • Roth

    The problem with the bomb-in-the-mouth and shoot-the-eye conventions has been that they *define* the bosses, and all other gameplay centers around these gimmicks as the absolute paths to victory. They need to incorporate such elements into the fight rather than making the fight take place just for them; for example, if you could toss a bomb in something’s mouth as a pure situational tactic in the heat of a much more diverse battle, it would be far more satisfying than doing it at a predetermined interval to incapacitate the boss and facilitate the 1-2-3 procedure that’s been getting so old. Give me options, give me dynamics, let the boss loose and let me have at it! Just don’t overly *construct* the boss with gameplay elements like these taking center stage.

    • Roth

      Addendum: here’s a snippet from my post on what enemies should return.

      “A note about the Dodongos: King Dodongo was a pushover of a puzzle-boss; having to feed the bombs into the mouths of the originals was actually challenging. I think the dinos should come back with some level of intelligence, where you have to trick them into charging you and toss a bomb in their path, otherwise they’ll do their best to steer clear.”

      Just one example of how to make the convention less isolated.

  • The Unicorn Hanger-Outer

    Axle, you should try a pikachu sandwich. They really give you a jolt of energy.

    • Roth


  • Roth

    Geez, Axle. The ICE ARROWS. Talk about underused. Freakishly pointless, I say. And fortunately, not only were they overhauled in MM, but the Deku Nuts were great for that game with its time loop resetting your items. Felt more free to use them, gather them, experiment with them, have fun with them.

    OoT: 0
    MM: 1

    • clemens909

      Well obviously the ice arrows were a bonus item from the gerudo valley. You didnt have to get them and thus they werent a big adding to the game.

      • Roth

        Yeah, but a bonus item that doesn’t really do anything extra isn’t a bonus item, it’s a waste.

  • Gaseous Snake

    Where did you get that poster?

    • Name

      I think it was one of the 25th anniversary Club Nintendo posters that Axl got framed.

      • Axle the Beast

        ^ What that guy said.

  • Zelda_1224

    Hey me and tatl have something in common

  • Roth
  • linkypete

    First of all, Why was axle eating pikachu? He will die of electric power! second of all, AXLE WEARS GLASSES?!?

  • Ryan F. Hullstrunk

    Actually all 6 games on the cop-out timeline are the same link.

    • ArabDiSASTER

      lol false

      • Ryan F. Hullstrunk

        Not false <.<

        • ArabDiSASTER

          Zelda 1 and 2 are on the cop-out timeline, they also take place hundreds of years apart and are stated to be different Links… FALSE… lol

          • Ryan F. Hullstrunk

            Are you a retard? Lol. Link in Zelda 2 is the same link from the original Zelda. Zelda 2 is a direct sequel. They are on the cop out timeline right after the other 4 games. It’s easy to connect that after A Link to the past, he went with the oracle games, then Link’s awakening. After link’s awakening he finally returns to hyrule to find it in the mess it was in the original Legend of Zelda. After completing that quest it goes into Zelda 2 because Ganon’s minions from the first game are trying to revive him. This shit is dead obvious.

          • ArabDiSASTER

            I’m sorry that you get butthurt from being contradicted.. maybe chill out and have a normal debate like a regular human being. And first of all, what I meant was that they are different Links between the last four games on the timeline (Lttp, Oracles, LA) not between Zelda 1 and 2…. Those are the same Links… But at Zelda 1, it is a new Link… There is even an entire Era between LA and Zelda 1.

  • Kabro006

    when you look at the heart piece its a beating heart inside. But i think its some kind of good essence of the bosses, or its like links exp.

  • TheMaverickk

    Man Axl really loves slipping in Cave Story music… this time there was the Labyrinth music from the Cave Story mixed in at the end.

  • adleZ

    This is the Eleventy first episode!

  • tHE keepeR Of the TIME

    songs and jingles: Midnas theme (Twilight Princess)(Intro), warp song (Twilight Princess) (Intro funny scene), Curiosity shop (Majoras Mask), Tower of Spirits dungeon (Spirit Tracks), IDK, geuredo valley (Twilight princess), farewell hyrule king (wind waker), idk, and the quete is i believe from the original pokemon anyways my question is are the fused shadow and majoras mask linked or the same or completely different

    • tHE keepeR O,Of the TIME

      read all the capitals in my screen name it should say some thing instresting

  • Ghostly Gengar99

    So true Guy so true.

  • Ghostly Gengar99

    In some was I don’t think Zelda needs a rival… but I did like Groose I must admit.

  • Ghostly Gengar99

    So true Guy so true.

  • Dylan Mandalore Prouty

    Ghirahim is Dark Fi.
    THey have the same gems on their chest, they both have a similar figure, and they both transform into…
    The Master Sword.
    Yes, the MASTER SWORD!
    Now, Ghirahim was the Dark Master Sword, which is the glave that Demise wielded.
    Whereas Fi was the normal Master Sword, the blade controlled by the Hero, Link.

  • Ghostly Gengar99


  • Random

    Question three made me think of this:

  • TechnoVizh

    Unlike how you answered my question Axle, I will answer your question as best as I can. I wasn’t looking at their chests, in certain cutscenes like all of the Isle of Songs scenes where Fi is dancing around, you kind of notice. Same with Ghirahim. In the third boss battle it’s kind of hard to not notice. -_-

    • Axle the Beast

      The fact that it’s “hard to not notice” is why I didn’t answer the question. I’ve answered similar ones before and I kinda just wanted to make it funny this time. But in all seriousness, it is obvious; Ghirahim is basically the antithesis to Fi. They are sort of the same thing but obviously with completely different origins and natures. Nothing more to say that the game itself didn’t show, really.

  • TheLastlink

    Get a better camera axel

  • Jacob Tasiemski

    I have a question for the next mailbag. would we see a zelda story where the focal point is the zelda timeline? kind of like how the timeline was the main focus of Back to the Future?

  • ponderer

    As for my opinion on the “hero is defeated” timeline, I never thought of
    the decline timeline as a “what-if.” It made sense to me that since the
    adult timeline is what happened after Link left it, that the decline
    timeline is what happened after child link never returned. At the end of
    OoT, Zelda sends you back to before she had left the castle, so I
    assumed that this was a different universe (in multi-verse theory) than
    the part of the game where you had visited the zoras and gorons. Link’s
    absence in the continuation of OoT’s adult part of the game led to the
    events in TWW; Link’s absence in the continuation of OoT’s child part of
    the game left Ganondorf still at large and ready to take over Hyrule, a
    “failure” or “defeat” for the “hero.”

  • Ghostly Gengar99

    So true “Guy” so true.


    Come on akle! (im spelling your name wrong because im annoyed) fi and girahim are both sword people with gems that are very intelligent and have insane methods of transportation. i wanted an answer.

  • ender44

    What were you and that pikachu doing down there?

  • OcarinaLink

    meh…eh…oh…? XD

  • DarkMachi

    :3 Axel with glasses on~